View Full Version : Spurs: What Is Kawahi leonard ceiling?
lefty
02-20-2015, 03:32 PM
You want enrique to take 30 shots a game?
If it's during the regular season, I dont give a fuck tbh
Killakobe81
02-20-2015, 03:33 PM
Max player
Sad thing is for us, he might be ...
lol the dude was averaging like 16-17 and 8-9 since his return, he has three bad games in a row and all of a sudden he sucks
Still the best perimeter defender and the best rebounding SF even when he's not shooting well tbh.
Phillip
02-20-2015, 04:47 PM
Tell me more.
Still seems like a pretty solid description. A little better offensively than my initial prediction, but still nothing spectacular, outside of hitting wide open shots that the system provides him.
He still continues to struggle when relied upon consistently to be a #1 scoring option for his team against any average defensive team. Probably because he still is an average ball handler, has average post-up skills/footwork, and is an average jump-shooter at best when contested.
Phillip
02-20-2015, 04:49 PM
lol the dude was averaging like 16-17 and 8-9 since his return, he has three bad games in a row and all of a sudden he sucks
No one said he sucks.
Still the best perimeter defender
Debatable
and the best rebounding SF even when he's not shooting well tbh.
Also debatable.
17.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 2.6 apg on 48 % shooting to be exact
Plus 1st Team All-NBA defense on the other end. Yeah, he'll be fine tbh.
Still seems like a pretty solid description. A little better offensively than my initial prediction, but still nothing spectacular, outside of hitting wide open shots that the system provides him.
He still continues to struggle when relied upon consistently to be a #1 scoring option for his team against any average defensive team. Probably because he still is an average ball handler, has average post-up skills/footwork, and is an average jump-shooter at best when contested.
lol you haven't watched one game of his since his return from injury have you? He's been doing going at guys 1-on-1 often since that Blazers game. Probably forcing the issue at times even, which is expected when he's making the jump from an elite role player to Pippen Jr. He'll learn how to balance it out in due time tbh.
Phillip
02-20-2015, 05:00 PM
17.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 2.6 apg on 48 % shooting to be exact
Funny you say "he has three bad games in a row and all of a sudden he sucks", clearly unhappy with people "judging" him over a small sample of games, yet you likewise take a small sample of a mere 11 games and suddenly that means he's a model of efficiency or something?
You can take a small sample of a few games for anyone, and show the stats and they can look tremendous. Truly great players sustain great play through an entire season. He is not a truly great player yet. Simply a very solid role player, that basically any team would love to have... as a 3rd or 4th option. Not a centerpiece.
Plus 1st Team All-NBA defense on the other end. Yeah, he'll be fine tbh.
Funny, I haven't seen this award yet on his resume. Where did you find this?
Phillip
02-20-2015, 05:03 PM
lol you haven't watched one game of his since his return from injury have you? He's been doing going at guys 1-on-1 often since that Blazers game. Probably forcing the issue at times even, which is expected when he's making the jump from an elite role player to Pippen Jr. He'll learn how to balance it out in due time tbh.
And as a result he has had some moments of good play, as well as some moments of incredibly poor play. Consistency is what stars provide.
Could he learn? Sure. Will he? Hard to say, especially when you see his clear offensive deficiencies. If you don't have strong ball handling skills from day 1 in the league, you probably won't be developing them too terribly much. I've seen plenty of players improve their jumper, post moves and other things, but I can't think of too many (if any) players who made significant progress in their ball handling ability once they reached the NBA level. If Leonard wants to make that jump to a star level, he needs to seriously improve his ball handling skills.
daslicer
02-20-2015, 05:07 PM
He will never be a franchise player. At best he will be a second or third option on a championship team.
Phillip
02-20-2015, 05:08 PM
He will never be a franchise player. At best he will be a second or third option on a championship team.
:toast
Funny you say "he has three bad games in a row and all of a sudden he sucks", clearly unhappy with people "judging" him over a small sample of games, yet you likewise take a small sample of a mere 11 games and suddenly that means he's a model of efficiency or something?
You can take a small sample of a few games for anyone, and show the stats and they can look tremendous. Truly great players sustain great play through an entire season. He is not a truly great player yet. Simply a very solid role player, that basically any team would love to have... as a 3rd or 4th option. Not a centerpiece.
Funny, I haven't seen this award yet on his resume. Where did you find this?
Do you know what ceiling means? No shit he hasn't reached it yet. Still, only an idiot would call him a role player at this point.
Prior to these last three games+the pink eye shit in the first week, he'd been a bad mofo pretty much all season. It's not like he's been up and down all season.
LkrFan
02-20-2015, 05:10 PM
To be fair, the last few poor performances by Kawhi came in games against teams with defensive juggernauts at SF like Matt Barnes, Kyle Singler, and CJ Miles.
:lmao
LkrFan
02-20-2015, 05:12 PM
Andre Iggy is The Ceiling! until further n:lmaotice.
And as a result he has had some moments of good play, as well as some moments of incredibly poor play. Consistency is what stars provide.
Could he learn? Sure. Will he? Hard to say, especially when you see his clear offensive deficiencies. If you don't have strong ball handling skills from day 1 in the league, you probably won't be developing them too terribly much. I've seen plenty of players improve their jumper, post moves and other things, but I can't think of too many (if any) players who made significant progress in their ball handling ability once they reached the NBA level. If Leonard wants to make that jump to a star level, he needs to seriously improve his ball handling skills.
Except the good moments outweigh the bad ones by a considerable amount.
What are you saying that he won't ever be Durant, pre-injury PG or LeBron offensively? That's fair to say, which is why he's being compared to a guy who was also never an explosive scorer in Pippen. Kawhi's game is more power than finesse, his physique alone allows him to get shots-- his handles are adequate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdHwg0J9hx0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II0UYvyPKCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhI4PMHRHyc
he's a role player that gets open shots from the system though :cry
Phillip
02-20-2015, 07:01 PM
Do you know what ceiling means? No shit he hasn't reached it yet. Still, only an idiot would call him a role player at this point.
Prior to these last three games+the pink eye shit in the first week, he'd been a bad mofo pretty much all season. It's not like he's been up and down all season.
So basically aside from 5 or 6 games he's been consistent? I'd think otherwise, based on his whopping 44% shooting. Yeah, I'm not buying it.
Except the good moments outweigh the bad ones by a considerable amount.
No one said they didn't. Quit getting butthurt so easily.
What are you saying that he won't ever be Durant, pre-injury PG or LeBron offensively? That's fair to say, which is why he's being compared to a guy who was also never an explosive scorer in Pippen. Kawhi's game is more power than finesse, his physique alone allows him to get shots-- his handles are adequate.
I see the comparison, but Pippen had far more natural skill and ability than Leonard.
I still don't see what you see that qualifies him being a legit franchise player as you seem to think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdHwg0J9hx0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II0UYvyPKCQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhI4PMHRHyc
he's a role player that gets open shots from the system though :cry
Good one. Highlight videos most certainly tell the whole story. Maybe I should post some highlight videos of Ricky Davis, and claim that he's one of the greatest players ever, and those videos could give me a good case!
So basically aside from 5 or 6 games he's been consistent? I'd think otherwise, based on his whopping 44% shooting. Yeah, I'm not buying it.
He's coming off four games where he's shot a combined 12/52 (23%). He was around 46-47% most of the year.
No one said they didn't. Quit getting butthurt so easily.
That was in response to you talking about his lack of consistency. He's been consistent.
I see the comparison, but Pippen had far more natural skill and ability than Leonard.
Elaborate on this horrible take, please.
I still don't see what you see that qualifies him being a legit franchise player as you seem to think.
I've never said he'd be a clear cut #1. Show me a post where I said he would. I'm comparing him to Pippen, who as great as he was, probably wasn't a good enough scorer to be a true #1 either. Still a great player though who's defense made him more valuable than guys that were better scorers than him.
Good one. Highlight videos most certainly tell the whole story. Maybe I should post some highlight videos of Ricky Davis, and claim that he's one of the greatest players ever, and those videos could give me a good case!
Those are recent complete game highlights, moron. They show how he got all of his points for each of those games. You claim he's a role player that gets his points from the system--those vids show otherwise. You don't watch Spurs games so why put on this facade that you know his game so well?
daslicer
02-20-2015, 07:58 PM
Pippen had superior ball handling and passing skills compared to Kawhi. Pippen is the reason we have the term point forward today. Pippen was a great scorer but during his best years he scored 20-22 points a game consistently. That one year where MJ was out he was runner up for the league MVP after Olajuwon. Thats how great he was. It will be difficult for Kawhi to reach that level.
Phillip
02-20-2015, 08:10 PM
He's coming off four games where he's shot a combined 12/52 (23%). He was around 46-47% most of the year.
That was in response to you talking about his lack of consistency. He's been consistent.
Elaborate on this horrible take, please.
I've never said he'd be a clear cut #1. Show me a post where I said he would. I'm comparing him to Pippen, who as great as he was, probably wasn't a good enough scorer to be a true #1 either. Still a great player though who's defense made him more valuable than guys that were better scorers than him.
Those are recent complete game highlights, moron. They show how he got all of his points for each of those games. You claim he's a role player that gets his points from the system--those vids show otherwise. You don't watch Spurs games so why put on this facade that you know his game so well?
Pippen had superior ball handling and passing skills compared to Kawhi. Pippen is the reason we have the term point forward today. Pippen was a great scorer but during his best years he scored 20-22 points a game consistently. That one year where MJ was out he was runner up for the league MVP after Olajuwon. Thats how great he was. It will be difficult for Kawhi to reach that level.
No further reply needed on my part.
Thanks daslicer :toast
Pippen had superior ball handling and passing skills compared to Kawhi. Pippen is the reason we have the term point forward today. Pippen was a great scorer but during his best years he scored 20-22 points a game consistently. That one year where MJ was out he was runner up for the league MVP after Olajuwon. Thats how great he was. It will be difficult for Kawhi to reach that level.
Kawhi is 23 years old. Nobody is saying he is Pippen right now.
DAF86
02-20-2015, 10:07 PM
Still seems like a pretty solid description. A little better offensively than my initial prediction, but still nothing spectacular, outside of hitting wide open shots that the system provides him.
He still continues to struggle when relied upon consistently to be a #1 scoring option for his team against any average defensive team. Probably because he still is an average ball handler, has average post-up skills/footwork, and is an average jump-shooter at best when contested.
Yeah, finals MVP being a Tony Allen/Shane Battier type player seems like a solid description. :rollin
apalisoc_9
02-20-2015, 10:24 PM
Yeah, finals MVP being a Tony Allen/Shane Battier type player seems like a solid description. :rollin
When did Allen or Battier ever led their team in scoring?
:lmao
Dro210
02-28-2015, 12:59 AM
Who tf knew it wasn't the dro talking when that nigga Dro210 called him the next Pippen. :lol
Pippen 2.0, point forward once parker is gone in 3 yrs, perennial all-star tbh
:tu
HI-FI
03-12-2015, 10:06 PM
Dro and FkLa with the goods. To be fair, I said he was special in his rookie season and believe that even more. He still hasn't hit his ceiling.
apalisoc_9
03-12-2015, 10:08 PM
:wakeup
Flka with one of the best calls in spurstalk history..
lol Philip.
TDMVPDPOY
03-12-2015, 10:50 PM
lebron james is 1 man under god above many
that god is no other then kawhi, ascending bitches
lefty
03-12-2015, 11:22 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-F_Djc-gnmOo/U5fQ934WyMI/AAAAAAAAHaA/_KJ6nAzHuds/s1600/3.gif
Strange Love
03-12-2015, 11:24 PM
This mofo is still easily rattled.
jeebus
03-12-2015, 11:24 PM
:lol wilting under pressure
Venti Quattro
03-12-2015, 11:25 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-F_Djc-gnmOo/U5fQ934WyMI/AAAAAAAAHaA/_KJ6nAzHuds/s1600/3.gif
:lmao Retarded
jeebus
03-12-2015, 11:31 PM
:rollin Kawhi Romo
Dro210
03-22-2015, 04:11 PM
Coulda had that trip-dub today if he wanted it...
Floyd Pacquiao
03-22-2015, 04:19 PM
20pts- 10 reb-7 ast and 4stls against the 2nd best team in the NBA
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03-22-2015, 04:21 PM
Coulda had that trip-dub today if he wanted it...
...& you coulda come down here at 6, but, you waited till 5, Part II.
...& you coulda come down here at 6, but, you waited till 5, Part II.
And you coulda came here sans Pau but you didn't.
Thread
03-22-2015, 04:31 PM
And you coulda came here sans Pau but you didn't.
I was here in '07 right after Duncan hit that 3 over Daddy.
Spurs 4 The Win
03-22-2015, 05:00 PM
I was here in '07 right after Duncan hit that 3 over Daddy.
That was 08 faggot
Kawhi Leonard in the month of March:
19.8 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.9 spg, 2.1 apg, 1.1 bpg on 53.6% shooting
but he's a Shane Battier/Tony Allen type of player :cry
Floyd Pacquiao
03-22-2015, 05:12 PM
Kawhi Leonard in the month of March:
19.8 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.9 spg, 2.1 apg, 1.1 bpg on 53.6% shooting
but he's a Shane Battier/Tony Allen type of player :cry
Christ :wow
I was here in '07 right after Duncan hit that 3 over Daddy.
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apalisoc_9
03-22-2015, 05:43 PM
Kawhi Leonard in the month of March:
19.8 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.9 spg, 2.1 apg, 1.1 bpg on 53.6% shooting
but he's a Shane Battier/Tony Allen type of player :cry
His only value is defense - Hoopz
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03-22-2015, 07:16 PM
That was 08 faggot
Then '08.
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I was here after Duncan hit that 3 over DaddyPERIOD
midnightpulp
03-22-2015, 07:42 PM
I was here after Duncan hit that 3 over DaddyPERIOD
"He's gonna be a problem."
- Culburn on Kawhi Leonard
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03-22-2015, 07:44 PM
"He's gonna be a problem."
- Culburn on Kawhi Leonard
I was first. Me.
I was here after Duncan hit that 3 over DaddyPERIOD
Prove it or it didn't happen.
TDMVPDPOY
03-22-2015, 11:38 PM
i dunno why ppl are comparing kawhi to marion
marion is a fkn scrub who live on a reputation his a great defender, his just like KG on defense can guard multiple positions but master of none, never seen this clown shut down anyone
I wonder if that dumb faggot Phillip (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15120) is watching the game today. :lol
Phillip
03-24-2015, 10:52 PM
I wonder if that dumb faggot Phillip (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15120) is watching the game today. :lol
I did.
Solid game by Kawhi. But still clearly not a true leader.
apalisoc_9
04-08-2015, 06:13 PM
Some dumb takes
:lmao
HI-FI
04-08-2015, 10:24 PM
nigga is gonna be special.
http://i.giphy.com/X7CW4uqU7xoQw.gif
DAF86
04-08-2015, 11:03 PM
I did.
Solid game by Kawhi. But still clearly not a true leader.
What about now?
spurraider21
04-08-2015, 11:24 PM
it depends on where you draw the line between all star and superstar. granted, this isn't a Kawhi career trajectory prediction thread, but rather, his ceiling aka the best he could POSSIBLY be. if you're going by ceiling, sure, why not superstar? I'm looking at the Bulls game and thinking how much he can do with a post game and an even further polished mid range shot. he could easily be better than Rudy Gay, for example
cant believe i undersold him here. he's already at the level i projected him to be at, and is approaching the ceiling i had him pegged at :wow
100%duncan
04-08-2015, 11:54 PM
:lmao
Mavs :lmao
Chandler parsons :lmao
apalisoc_9
04-09-2015, 12:08 AM
:lmao
Mavs :lmao
Chandler parsons :lmao
Remember the days when Roxketfans would say..
parsons>leonard.
:lol
100%duncan
04-09-2015, 12:09 AM
Roxfans :lmao
Phillip :lmao
Spurs> both of them combined :lmao
TDMVPDPOY
04-09-2015, 12:10 AM
Remember the days when Roxketfans would say..
parsons>leonard.
:lol
its the same shit we are seeing now with gsw wankers thinkn klay>kl
I think he certainly has a place in the NBA, and will consistently be a solid role player, but that's about it. Nothing wrong with that though. I'd say more of a Shane Battier, Tony Allen type of player. Mostly defense, capable of putting up some points when his team needs him to, but not necessarily a scorer.
:lmao :lmao :lmao
dumbest poster in ST history tbh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A3mMtXNusM
Robz4000
04-24-2015, 11:38 PM
Leonard taking a wet shit on his critics these days.
Malik Hairston
04-25-2015, 12:13 AM
:lol Fkla living large on ST during these past 2 years, tbh..
Haha remember when I got all happy because Parker had one good game? Good times. That kawhi kid is special.He definitely will be there in game 5. No more role player kawhi, nope
spurraider21
04-25-2015, 12:26 AM
i dont care which player does better or worse, as long as the team wins. duncan and kawhi have proven to be the most dependable though, and by a considerable margin
99 Problems
04-25-2015, 06:50 AM
Kawhi =
:lobt2:
LkrFan
04-25-2015, 07:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A3mMtXNusM
Thanks for posting this. Good shit. Monster game from KL. I'm gonna text MK to offer him the MAX. Be right back...:lol
spurraider21
04-25-2015, 02:59 PM
http://i.gyazo.com/b9e77086e529b742f4df74b84eabf6ec.png
:lol apalisoc's twitter
SanAntonioSpurs23
04-25-2015, 03:33 PM
:lol apalisoc's twitter
:lol
Top 5 player in the game. :worthy:
lol Phillip (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15120)
apalisoc_9
10-29-2015, 12:00 AM
called him a superstar since day 1 tbh
DAF86
11-27-2015, 11:32 PM
ive seen enough of him to know he isn't superstar material
I think he certainly has a place in the NBA, and will consistently be a solid role player, but that's about it. Nothing wrong with that though. I'd say more of a Shane Battier, Tony Allen type of player. Mostly defense, capable of putting up some points when his team needs him to, but not necessarily a scorer.
Let's all take a moment to reflect on the failness of this comment.
HarlemHeat37
11-27-2015, 11:36 PM
I never thought he would be as good as he is now, I said his ceiling would be top 15 player in the league, but damn, some of these predictions:lol
Cry Havoc
11-28-2015, 12:03 AM
It's not a blind comparison.
It's a retarded comparison.
:rollin
Cry Havoc
11-28-2015, 12:04 AM
I never thought he would be as good as he is now, I said his ceiling would be top 15 player in the league, but damn, some of these predictions:lol
Real talk: Do you think he has a realistic chance at being the greatest defensive player of all-time? At least outside of the 5 position?
apalisoc_9
11-28-2015, 12:05 AM
evan turner :lmao
ducks
11-28-2015, 12:05 AM
And u wanted to traded him
spursistan
11-28-2015, 12:13 AM
Gerald Wallace :lmao
Cry Havoc
11-28-2015, 12:14 AM
Wow, the Mavs fans in this thread shit the bed en masse. :lol
You could make the case for Kawhi being the 4th best player in the league right now after Curry, LeBron, and Durant. Dude is already a monster and improving week by week faster than anyone else his age in the league. Could he have a shot at "MIP", given his stats last year?
Bynumite
11-28-2015, 12:15 AM
I'm reserving judgement for when Pop, Cuck and Vaginobili retire. Until then, Kiwi is a product of the system and a stacked team.
Let's see how he fares as the 1st option in a team with a declining PG and Lasoft. Put him in Paul George's shoes and Kiwi would be exposed on a nightly basis.
Cry Havoc
11-28-2015, 12:16 AM
I'm reserving judgement for when Pop, Cuck and Vaginobili retire. Until then, Kiwi is a product of the system and a stacked team.
Let's see how he fares as the 1st option in a team with a declining PG and Lasoft.
The fuck are you talking about? :lol Dude scores out of ISOs, in post ups, hits 3s, runs the floor, causes turnovers for easy points. He's already a better defender than anyone the Lakers have ever had, maybe 2nd outside of Kareem. :lmao
Should Pink posters wanting to trade him for role players Tbh.
timtonymanu
11-28-2015, 12:17 AM
evan turner :lmao
Shane Battier/Tony Allen type of player
HemisfairArena
11-28-2015, 12:17 AM
I'm reserving judgement for when Pop, Cuck and Vaginobili retire. Until then, Kiwi is a product of the system and a stacked team.
Let's see how he fares as the 1st option in a team with a declining PG and Lasoft.
We see how kobrick has done as a 1st option without Jackson, Shaq and Gasol,,,,,not good,,,,
Bynumite
11-28-2015, 12:24 AM
We see how kobrick has done as a 1st option without Jackson, Shaq and Gasol,,,,,not good,,,,
Yeah, 35 PPG season. Something Kiwi can only dream of.
Cry Havoc
11-28-2015, 12:26 AM
Yeah, 35 PPG season. Something Kiwi can only dream of.
Kawhi definitely can only dream of what it's like to miss the playoffs on a shithole of a team after driving out an all-world player because he was too much of a child to allow his ego to be threatened by another basketball player. :tu :lol
HemisfairArena
11-28-2015, 12:26 AM
Yeah, 35 PPG season. Something Kiwi can only dream of.
3 straight years in the lottery,,,,I guess he can dream about that too,,,,
DAF86
11-28-2015, 12:30 AM
I'm reserving judgement for when Pop, Cuck and Vaginobili retire. Until then, Kiwi is a product of the system and a stacked team.
Let's see how he fares as the 1st option in a team with a declining PG and Lasoft. Put him in Paul George's shoes and Kiwi would be exposed on a nightly basis.
You do realize that you just gave everyone here amo to take a masive shit on Kobe, right? :lol
SpursIndonesia
11-28-2015, 12:35 AM
Should Pink posters wanting to trade him for role players Tbh.
Yeah, like for Beal or Ariza, total blasphemy !!
midnightpulp
11-28-2015, 03:12 AM
Yeah, 35 PPG season. Something Kiwi can only dream of.
Kawhi plays defense that only Kirbs can dream of.
But you still have bragging rights from last year's Matt Barnes' debacle, but there is no doubt that Kawhi is a top 5 regular season player right now.
We'll see if he can redeem last year's let down. Kobe's been outplayed by Jalen Rose, Austin Croshere, Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Rudy Fernandez, and P. Quinteros in big games, so it happens.
apalisoc_9
11-28-2015, 03:14 AM
Kawhi plays defense that only Kirbs can dream of.
But you still have bragging rights from last year's Matt Barnes' debacle, but there is no doubt that Kawhi is a top 5 regular season player right now.
We'll see if he can redeem last year's let down. Kobe's been outplayed by Jalen Rose, Austin Croshere, Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Rudy Fernandez, and P. Quinteros in big games, so it happens.
Who is the mexican guy that crossed him over? Add that guy too
midnightpulp
11-28-2015, 03:17 AM
I'm reserving judgement for when Pop, Cuck and Vaginobili retire. Until then, Kiwi is a product of the system and a stacked team.
Let's see how he fares as the 1st option in a team with a declining PG and Lasoft. Put him in Paul George's shoes and Kiwi would be exposed on a nightly basis.
:lol Confirmed for not watching any Spurs games or Kawhi play since the 2014 Finals. Kawhi has a deadly mid-post game, probably the best in the league among wing players, and his footwork and dribbling have grown exponentially. He's also an efficient 3 point shooter. If he had a better vertical leap (the only thing that prevents him from being an elite finisher), he'd average 25-30 on any team in any "system." He might even do 25 on the Spurs despite that shortcoming.
midnightpulp
11-28-2015, 03:18 AM
Who is the mexican guy that crossed him over? Add that guy too
Oh yeah. Juan Carlos Navarro has absolutely destroyed Kirbs in their matchups.
Kawhitstorm
11-28-2015, 03:25 AM
Yeah, 35 PPG season. Something Kiwi can only dream of.
35 PPG on a lotto team:lmao.
Robz4000
11-28-2015, 06:06 AM
:wow God damn I voted Superstar and still underrated him.
:lmao so many shitty takes in this thread
I never thought he would be as good as he is now, I said his ceiling would be top 15 player in the league, but damn, some of these predictions:lol
You didn't think the other 14 would be as shitty.
Kawhi plays defense that only Kirbs can dream of.
But you still have bragging rights from last year's Matt Barnes' debacle, but there is no doubt that Kawhi is a top 5 regular season player right now.
We'll see if he can redeem last year's let down. Kobe's been outplayed by Jalen Rose, Austin Croshere, Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Rudy Fernandez, and P. Quinteros in big games, so it happens.
Like Kobe, Leonard gets a high number of big games, so it's bound to happen that someone has a good night against you. If every team in the league had that many big games, there'd be more superstars made of people we consider average players.
And u wanted to traded him
For Brad Beal and Trevor Ariza. Despicable. Now hes sitting here trying to tell us how he is Kawhis biggest fan.
apalisoc_9
11-28-2015, 05:44 PM
Oh yeah. Juan Carlos Navarro has absolutely destroyed Kirbs in their matchups.
No no no...some mexican guy who never played in the nba. I need his name
TrainOfThought5
11-28-2015, 08:37 PM
Parker Kawhi and Baynes will create a potent attack as the next generation of spurs, Tbh.
Sub Aldridge for Baynes and we're cooking.
apalisoc_9
03-04-2016, 09:25 PM
Kawhi :claw
KobeOwnsDuncan
05-12-2016, 09:23 PM
role player
lefty
10-28-2016, 08:18 PM
role player
:lol
ive seen enough of him to know he isn't superstar material
I think he certainly has a place in the NBA, and will consistently be a solid role player, but that's about it. Nothing wrong with that though. I'd say more of a Shane Battier, Tony Allen type of player. Mostly defense, capable of putting up some points when his team needs him to, but not necessarily a scorer.
Solid game by Kawhi. But still clearly not a true leader.
What's going on in here?
HarlemHeat37
10-28-2016, 08:56 PM
Wow, Apo:wow
HarlemHeat37
10-28-2016, 08:57 PM
:lol Evan Turner has never been a good NBA player..how did he even get in this conversation, tbh?
Robz4000
10-28-2016, 09:11 PM
one of my rather rare but incredibly large failures tbh lol
Point is, he will never be some superstar level player like suggested. He is better offensively than both of those guys, although not sure if he is as good defensively as they have proven to be over the years. They both have proven they can find ways to consistently bother elite offensive players, even Kobe at times. Not sure I've seen that from Leonard yet.
Leonard will be a role player for his career. A pretty good one, but a role player nonetheless.
:lmao superstar
:lmao your takes
stretch is easily the dumbest poster in ST history tbh
spursistan
10-29-2016, 07:44 AM
The shit takes in this thread are by the shovel :lol.. Even good, level-headed posters really missed big time here, which shows what an extraordinary rise the kid has had..
Pippen 2.0 is still a reach, but I'm definitely upgrading his ceiling from "middle-class Scottie Pippen" to "upper class Scottie Pippen," especially if he becomes dominant in the post. After all, Scottie is the best perimeter defender in NBA history, so Kawhi hasn't yet proven he's Pippen 2.0, obviously. Pippen is a top 15-20 all-time NBA talent who's criminally underrated since he had to play in Jordan's shadow. If Kawhi's ceiling could be 75% Pippen, that'd be fuckin' great.
I do think he's a top 15 player in the current NBA, though. No doubt in my mind.
You might just keep on upgrading...Dude is probably going to threepeat as DPOY--from the fuckin' perimeter..
IMO, he looks like he got the best peak Melo/Pippen combo for a ceiling, which is a destructive force if it ever materializes in him..Hope I'm not still underrating him as he is at least a couple or 3 seasons away from peak age for an NBA player according to most studies..
midnightpulp
10-29-2016, 08:01 AM
The shit takes in this thread are by the shovel :lol.. Even good, level-headed posters really missed big time here, which shows what an extraordinary rise the kid has had..
You might just keep on upgrading...Dude is probably going to threepeat as DPOY--from the fuckin' pereimeter..
IMO, he looks like he got the best peak Melo/Pippen combo for a ceiling, which is a destructive force if it ever materializes in him..Hope I'm not still underrating him as he is at least a couple or 3 seasons away from peak age for an NBA player according to most studies..
You can't really blame anyone for really missing Kawhi's potential.
Out of college, he couldn't shoot, dribble, pass, or really create his own shot. His athleticism is also subpar compared to the league's top perimeter scorers.
He's a testament to what hard work and study can accomplish. What Kawhi is doing is unprecedented in NBA history. Pretty much every great was heralded out of high school/college.
Out of any player in recent memory, Kawhi has the biggest gap between initial expectation (when he was drafted, Bowen 2.0 was what he basically hoped he'd become) to current level.
TDMVPDPOY
10-29-2016, 08:35 AM
interesting how they the general public outside of spursfans trying keep that faggot kirby relevant by sayin kawhi is the next kirby or jordan
kawhi aint receiving no torch or whatever from 2 has beens, let him create his own destiny....
ambchang
10-29-2016, 09:02 AM
I would be pleasantly surprised if he can make more than 1 Allstat game, or even one for that matter. Leonard is a fantastic role player, but I am just not sold on him being able to carry a team on offense and defense.
Perhaps a few all-d teams in his future, a very poor man's version of a Sidney moncrief would incredible.
:lol ambchang
spursfaninla
10-29-2016, 05:16 PM
You can't really blame anyone for really missing Kawhi's potential.
Out of college, he couldn't shoot, dribble, pass, or really create his own shot. His athleticism is also subpar compared to the league's top perimeter scorers.
He's a testament to what hard work and study can accomplish. What Kawhi is doing is unprecedented in NBA history. Pretty much every great was heralded out of high school/college.
Out of any player in recent memory, Kawhi has the biggest gap between initial expectation (when he was drafted, Bowen 2.0 was what he basically hoped he'd become) to current level.
consider that Kawhi was drafted 15th, same number as Steven Nash. Kobe was drafted 13th that same draft. Right there, two all-time players with similar expectations coming out, based on general draft position.
Now, I would not put Manu, Tony, or Dreymon Green (2nd round and very late 1st) in the same category as Kawhi at this point; Manu at his peak had a similar impact on the game but Kawhi is so good two ways, I just can't compare him to these guys.
DAF86
12-29-2016, 11:40 AM
ive seen enough of him to know he isn't superstar material
I think he certainly has a place in the NBA, and will consistently be a solid role player, but that's about it. Nothing wrong with that though. I'd say more of a Shane Battier, Tony Allen type of player. Mostly defense, capable of putting up some points when his team needs him to, but not necessarily a scorer.
Bump for this faggot. :lol
apalisoc_9
12-29-2016, 12:02 PM
:lmao the same idiots still thinking the system has anything to do with his awseomness :lol
spurraider21
02-09-2017, 01:01 PM
I voted superstar and he's already there. At just 25, he's not even at his ceiling yet and has improved exponentially to this point. Upside: unknown
ambchang
02-09-2017, 01:13 PM
I would be pleasantly surprised if he can make more than 1 Allstat game, or even one for that matter. Leonard is a fantastic role player, but I am just not sold on him being able to carry a team on offense and defense.
Perhaps a few all-d teams in his future, a very poor man's version of a Sidney moncrief would incredible.
:lol way off.
HarlemHeat37
02-09-2017, 02:28 PM
I never thought he would be this good, I don't think most non-homers did, tbh..I don't think there are many examples in NBA history of a player that has improved as much as he has..
Is he a better offensive player than Klaynus Thompson though? :lol
Fabbs
02-09-2017, 08:53 PM
Improvement rate continues and he can be best player in NBA.
As far as the "he only got to 2nd Round last year" phuck the hell off.
He had two absolute highlight reel plays in what should have been a game 4 victory and 3-1 lead.
Steal and dunk.
Not Kwa's fault he was surrounded by incompetence.
Fabbs
02-09-2017, 08:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVJKfBPXuH4
Is he a better offensive player than Klaynus Thompson though? :lolwe'all have to wait and see
spursistan
02-10-2017, 09:49 AM
As of Feb,7th 2017
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2017/01/Kawhi-1-1.jpg
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2017/01/Kawhi-1.jpg
If he keeps this rate of development into his peak in 2/3 years, "NBA= fuck:lold"..
we'all have to wait and see
just lol
PopTheGOAT
02-11-2017, 11:25 PM
ive seen enough of him to know he isn't superstar material
I think he certainly has a place in the NBA, and will consistently be a solid role player, but that's about it. Nothing wrong with that though. I'd say more of a Shane Battier, Tony Allen type of player. Mostly defense, capable of putting up some points when his team needs him to, but not necessarily a scorer. why have I never read the first few pages until now? :lmao Retarded mf'er. I'd never show up again if I said something that stupid :rollin
TDMVPDPOY
02-12-2017, 07:22 AM
If he keeps this rate of development into his peak in 2/3 years, "NBA= fuck:lold"..
u better hope porker aint on the team next year...
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