Spurs are interested in Josh Smith

[Poolboy5623]

Umm... no.

Come on. So you'd rather close the book with 4 and see how kawhi pans out as a player? I'd rather slam that book shut with number 5. Call me crazy but my DVD collection needs some new material.

[chapnis]

How about this scenario...would you trade kawhi if you knew it would get #5...and smith still walks for bigger $$ next year?...I'd definitely be on board.

But there is no way we could even get close to guaranteeing no. 5.

[BatManu20]

But there is no way we could even get close to guaranteeing no. 5.

This. No guarantees in this gig. I wouldn't trade my best young player and a big piece of the future of my franchise for a "good chance."

[BatManu20]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
Still many involved for Atlanta's Josh Smith, including Bucks, Nets, Celtics, 76ers, Wizards, others, sources say. Strong belief he's moved.

[Pasta Batman]

While I understand your point of making a late trade acquisition, you need to keep in mind that after the RRT, the Spurs play a ton of home games with more time than normal to practice, thus being able to integrate new talent into the fold.

Smith is not the smartest of players. That's a lot of work to get a guy used to a complicated system like the Spurs. Even smart guys took time to get integrated.

[Pasta Batman]

I think Diaw might start in that case. His range and play-making ability would be an asset. It's just not possible to play Smith enough minutes, Leonard enough minutes, and Diaw, Duncan and Splitter enough if Smith comes off the bench. He's making too much money to do that, and the Spurs have to make a decision on a contract offer before the end of the season. If the Spurs acquired him, he would be starting.

Also, keeping Smith at the four full time still leaves the three weak. Leonard, Jack, Green and Ginobili are the only players who can really play the small-forward spot. Trading Danny and Jack would force Manu to play the three more than he should. It just makes more sense if Smith gets a large share of those minutes and for Leonard to split his between the wing spots.

I agree spacing may be an issue with that proposed line up, but on defense, Smith is actually a really good small-forward. Having him start on Durant and Lebron would be a huge plus.

I don't know if he could start though. Coming off the bench, they can mix and match more, but I'd prefer a traditional starting lineup that keeps the offense good. Their offense is very systematic so it would hurt really bad to screw that up with such a bad shooter. It's easier to mix and match with him coming off the bench.

[Chinook]

I don't know if he could start though. Coming off the bench, they can mix and match more, but I'd prefer a traditional starting lineup that keeps the offense good. Their offense is very systematic so it would hurt really bad to screw that up with such a bad shooter. It's easier to mix and match with him coming off the bench.

It wouldn't be much different than what they have now. Duncan still has his range, and Diaw would replace Green's range. So Smith would essentially be the Splitter of that lineup.

Also, Smith's starting at the three is as much about replacing Green as it is about giving him playing time.

[Pasta Batman]

It wouldn't be much different than what they have now. Duncan still has his range, and Diaw would replace Green's range. So Smith would essentially be the Splitter of that lineup.

Also, Smith's starting at the three is as much about replacing Green as it is about giving him playing time.

If Green were still on the team (depending who was traded), Green should start. Green and Leonard help make the offense pretty damn functional in the starting lineup. In that lineup, Leonard would see Durant. The second wave would then be a shifting where Smith sees some time on Durant.

Keep in mind, as good as Smith might be naturally, his knowledge of the Spurs system will be second rate. he's also not the smartest, so I doubt he'd pick it up as quick as someone say, Diaw. Obviously, in closing lineups or stuff like that, it becomes more fair game, but it is useful to get off to a good start in a game. If Green isn't purely cold, he's a good starter for the team.

[Chinook]

If Green were still on the team (depending who was traded), Green should start. Green and Leonard help make the offense pretty damn functional in the starting lineup. In that lineup, Leonard would see Durant. The second wave would then be a shifting where Smith sees some time on Durant.

Keep in mind, as good as Smith might be naturally, his knowledge of the Spurs system will be second rate. he's also not the smartest, so I doubt he'd pick it up as quick as someone say, Diaw. Obviously, in closing lineups or stuff like that, it becomes more fair game, but it is useful to get off to a good start in a game. If Green isn't purely cold, he's a good starter for the team.

My entire participation in this thread started in response to this quote:


http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by letmk (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6365882#post6365882)Totally agreed. Any potential big trade has to involve Jack's expiring contract. So you can't trade away Green as well since that leaves us with enormous defense holes. For as much as Spurs fans hate Green for his weakness at defense, he is leaps and bounds better than other wings outside Kawhi and a limited Manu.


I was wondering for a while what it takes to get Dudley from the Suns.

So everything I've been saying about Leonard moving over to the two and Smith starting at the three is based on the hypothetical world in which Green is traded. I'd definitely rather keep him and just move Splitter back to the bench.

[Johnny RIngo]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)
Still many involved for Atlanta's Josh Smith, including Bucks, Nets, Celtics, 76ers, Wizards, others, sources say. Strong belief he's moved.

Bucks, 76ers, Wizards have the best chance to land him I think. Nets/Celtics have nothing to offer but mediocre players on bad contracts.

[exstatic]

How about this scenario...would you trade kawhi if you knew it would get #5...and smith still walks for bigger $$ next year?...I'd definitely be on board.

No.

[Bruno]

That's a weird bunch of teams give by Wojo with some of them being poor fit. It looks more than he is just summarizing all the various rumors about Smith.

I'm warming up at the idea that Smith might be a good addition for Spurs as long as Spurs don't give up Kawhi or Tiago for him. For example, I think he would be a better addition than Al Jefferson.

After looking at both teams roster, the best offer Spurs could make, without a third team involved, should be:
Jack, Bonner, Blair, Joseph, 2 first round picks and cash for Smith and Tolliver.

Jack and Bonner are to match salaries and avoid Spurs paying some luxury tax. The cash sould cover Bonner 13-14 guaranteed salary.
Blair would give Atlanta another solid PF to partially cover Smith loss.
Joseph is a decent young prospect who can end up as Teague's backup.
Neal could also be included but I don't see Hawks being that interested in him. The best use to make of Neal in a Smith trade would be to trade him to a third team that gives Hawks an asset in return.
Hawks would need to cut Petro to make the trade work but it isn't an issue.

[Ice009]

That's a weird bunch of teams give by Wojo with some of them being poor fit. It looks more than he is just summarizing all the various rumors about Smith.

I'm warming up at the idea that Smith might be a good addition for Spurs as long as Spurs don't give up Kawhi or Tiago for him. For example, I think he would be a better addition than Al Jefferson.

After looking at both teams roster, the best offer Spurs could make, without a third team involved, should be:
Jack, Bonner, Blair, Joseph, 2 first round picks and cash for Smith and Tolliver.

Jack and Bonner are to match salaries and avoid Spurs paying some luxury tax. The cash sould cover Bonner 13-14 guaranteed salary.
Blair would give Atlanta another solid PF to partially cover Smith loss.
Joseph is a decent young prospect who can end up as Teague's backup.
Neal could also be included but I don't see Hawks being that interested in him. The best use to make of Neal in a Smith trade would be to trade him to a third team that gives Hawks an asset in return.
Hawks would need to cut Petro to make the trade work but it isn't an issue.

I'm warming up to it too Bruno. If the Spurs don't give up KL or TS then I do think he would be better than Al Jefferson. It really could push the Spurs up to an optimal defensive level, that's the main angle I am looking at with a trade for Smith. The defense could potentially be really, really good.

[Johnny RIngo]

I'm warming up to it too Bruno. If the Spurs don't give up KL or TS then I do think he would be better than Al Jefferson. It really could push the Spurs up to an optimal defensive level, that's the main angle I am looking at with a trade for Smith. The defense could potentially be really, really good.

Well, if this trade did happen, the Spurs would have to move Tiago out of the starting lineup, right?

[exstatic]

Well, if this trade did happen, the Spurs would have to move Tiago out of the starting lineup, right?

Hypothetically, yes. You can't start, or even play Smith and Tiago together. Two guys who can't shoot clog the lane not only for each other, but also for any penetrating guards or Tim.

[CGD]

^ I'm not so sure he has to start. Frankly dude would be half year rental anyway, which is fine since the Spurs probably won't extend Jax anyway so they'll be looking to free agenc for bench help regardless. I could see him of the bench playing pick and roll with Manu. Boris can be the spacing big off the bench. Then it's really situational, a Duncan Smith duo would be awesome again smaller lineups.

[szkorhetz]

Hypothetically, yes. You can't start, or even play Smith and Tiago together. Two guys who can't shoot clog the lane not only for each other, but also for any penetrating guards or Tim.
Actually, Smith can shot.

[elemento]

Yeah he can, but he is just horrible at it.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Hypothetically, yes. You can't start, or even play Smith and Tiago together. Two guys who can't shoot clog the lane not only for each other, but also for any penetrating guards or Tim.

i disagree. the spurs can't afford to take the splitter parker pick and roll out of the starting line up. its the biggest catalyst in the spurs offense.

hypothetically, smith stats at 3. he's basically a second kawhi. we'd have to trust chip will get smiths shot up to spur levels. and pop to get smiths shot selection up to spur levels.

[Johnny RIngo]

i disagree. the spurs can't afford to take the splitter parker pick and roll out of the starting line up. its the biggest catalyst in the spurs offense.

hypothetically, smith stats at 3. he's basically a second kawhi. we'd have to trust chip will get smiths shot up to spur levels. and pop to get smiths shot selection up to spur levels.

He's around 35% on 3s...which would make him the worst 3 point shooter on our team(but still much better than Sjax who's having a horrible year)

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Johnny RIngo. if smith comes here in a trade this year. the spurs keep the big 3. keep kawhi splitter. keep diaw decolo. and start splitter and timmy as the bigs with smith at 3. his % will improve. i'd bet money on it.

[CGD]

^ if he's able to play the 3 it's damn tantalizing move KL to the 2 and have that massive starting lineup. I just don't think think he's there with his shot, at the level this team needs him to be. I also don't see the spurs keeping him long term so not sure if he'll have the chance to develop into a reliable 3 in SA. A more likely scenario if he comes off the bench and together with Manu runs havoc on teams second units. Then situationally if a team like MIA or OKC run Durant or LBJ at the 4 we have an excellent option to throw at them defensively, and a player who will make both those guys at least work to try to stop him on block on the other end.

I'm warming to this trade possibility especially since Jax would be traded et and his finger just hasn't recovered enough not to effect his shot. That said, like someone in another thread mentioned, I think the Spurs can accomplish a similar goal with Shawn Marion.

[Johnny RIngo]

I'm warming to this trade possibility especially since Jax would be traded et and his finger just hasn't recovered enough not to effect his shot. That said, like someone in another thread mentioned, I think the Spurs can accomplish a similar goal with Shawn Marion.

The one advantage for the Spurs in a Josh Smith trade is that we're the only interested team NOT in the same conference as the Hawks. All the other teams reported by Woj play in East( Bucks, Nets, Celtics, 76ers, Wizards). Also, the fact that we're offering an expiring means Atlanta won't have to add any extra salary.

I'd love a Marion trade but Mavs would never make a deal that would help their biggest division rival.

[BatManu20]

The one advantage for the Spurs in a Josh Smith trade is that we're the only interested team NOT in the same conference as the Hawks. All the other teams reported by Woj play in East( Bucks, Nets, Celtics, 76ers, Wizards). Also, the fact that we're offering an expiring means Atlanta won't have to add any extra salary.

That and Danny Ferry has a great relationship with the Spurs obviously so that could be a factor.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

^ if he's able to play the 3 it's damn tantalizing move KL to the 2 and have that massive starting lineup. I just don't think think he's there with his shot, at the level this team needs him to be. I also don't see the spurs keeping him long term so not sure if he'll have the chance to develop into a reliable 3 in SA. A more likely scenario if he comes off the bench and together with Manu runs havoc on teams second units. Then situationally if a team like MIA or OKC run Durant or LBJ at the 4 we have an excellent option to throw at them defensively, and a player who will make both those guys at least work to try to stop him on block on the other end.

I'm warming to this trade possibility especially since Jax would be traded et and his finger just hasn't recovered enough not to effect his shot. That said, like someone in another thread mentioned, I think the Spurs can accomplish a similar goal with Shawn Marion.

shawn marion isn't a bad idea.

josh smith is a fantastic idea. the only explanation for not seeing that is pessimism.

his shot would get better that's the easiest problem to resolve.

if he comes here for green, jax, blair, and a 1st. he and splitter will probably take less than max to re-sign, because they'll be championship STARTERS. if they don't take the cut, manu probably would. tough to swallow but if you think about how the toughest problem is solved, you'll buy in.

the rotation...

a fool would put splitter on the bench. breaking up the parker splitter starting pick and roll offense would be suicide. parker would slump. splitter would slump. the bench would slump. wings wouldn't get easy shots. the defense would suffer because the team would be so burnt out from the struggling offense. and duncan would blow out his knees trying to bail out the sinking ship.

smith to spurs is simple. the spurs want another kawhi. a slightly bigger version at that. start him at 3 with kawhi and now the defense can shut down westbrook and durant, kobe and dwight, paul and griffin, and most importantly wade and bron! duncan would defend as he does, so much for bosh, ibaka, gasol, and jordan. then consider how much tiago has improved on defense this year. parker just needs to contest and direct the weakest point or wing. that's the best defensive line up in the league.

if defense wasn't enough. try imagining this offense. splitter has to keep starting. the pick and roll with parker creates a beautiful habitat. timmy would be timmy. he's gonna knock down that mid ranger, post up whoever he wants down low, and make sneaky cuts. tony gets his jumpers and lanes, splitter gets his deadly roll, kawhi gets way too little attention as he's knockin down 3 after 3, and finally smith... well he's the same second kawhi on offense as he is on defense. said it before and i'll say it again, believe in chip and pop.

kawhi, smith, and parker will be fast breaking off forced turn overs all night every night.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

That and Danny Ferry has a great relationship with the Spurs obviously so that could be a factor.

x2

[Poolboy5623]

The sounds of smith is great but the thought of getting him w/o having to give up splitter or kawhi is laughable. I'm sure Atlanta can get more than the spurs junk, for their best player? Why would they want the spurs first round picks, when they are essentially 2nd rounders? Lol it's not like Atlanta has the spurs scouting dept.

[Poolboy5623]

x2

Wow. Ferry has a job to do. Make Atlanta better. Some of you seem to think he still works for S.A.

[Captivus]

With all the taxes teams have to pay, i dont know if Smith can get a max contract. I think the Spurs have a chance of getting him, but like most say, not including the Big 3, TS and KL.
Lets see what happens, the Spurs shouldnt put themselfs in a position where they have 4-5 PG on the roster that dont play.

[BatManu20]

According to Gery Woelfel (http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/bucks-beat-uw-s-berggren-draws-attention-of-nba/article_4239c16e-77e4-11e2-8c4d-0019bb2963f4.html) of the Milwaukee Journal Times, "Boston is salivating over Atlanta forward Josh Smith and would be receptive to unloading Brandon Bass and Jeff Green to obtain him."

*A. Sherrod Blakely of CSNNE.com reported Saturday that the Celtics aren't very interested (https://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN/status/302842288885866496) in trading two players for one, since they already have so few healthy bodies.

If the Celtics really were offering that, do you think Danny would take it? Green is owed $22 millon over the next 2 and a half seasons and Bass is owed about $16 million over the same amount of time. Not sure if Ferry would want to take on role players with that much left on their contracts. That's $38 million total. Should be interesting to see where he ends up. Would be amazing if it was in the silver and black.

[timvp]

:lol @ the idea of any team willfully taking on the contract of Jeff Green.

[MR-Clutch]

Ferry worked his ass off to unload contracts and clear cap space, I don't think he did that to pay bass and green $38 million.

[elemento]

Of course Boston would be salivating over a Smith/Green+Bass swap. That's a horrible trade for Atlanta. They're essentially trading Smith for 2 overpaid role players. Jeff Green is owed more than 22m. He got his 36m/4y contract this season.

Danny Ferry won't touch it. If he does, he is dumber than I thought tbh.

[CGD]

According to Gery Woelfel (http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/bucks-beat-uw-s-berggren-draws-attention-of-nba/article_4239c16e-77e4-11e2-8c4d-0019bb2963f4.html) of the Milwaukee Journal Times, "Boston is salivating over Atlanta forward Josh Smith and would be receptive to unloading Brandon Bass and Jeff Green to obtain him."

*A. Sherrod Blakely of CSNNE.com reported Saturday that the Celtics aren't very interested (https://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN/status/302842288885866496) in trading two players for one, since they already have so few healthy bodies.

If the Celtics really were offering that, do you think Danny would take it? Green is owed $22 millon over the next 2 and a half seasons and Bass is owed about $16 million over the same amount of time. Not sure if Ferry would want to take on role players with that much left on their contracts. That's $38 million total. Should be interesting to see where he ends up. Would be amazing if it was in the silver and black.

i think you've explained well the very reason Ferry won't take that deal in your last paragraph. It would be inconsistent with their movements to date. In a Jax centric deal at least ATL keeps most of the cap relief this year. It's really whether they like what they get for that 3m difference in salaries.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

i'm not a jeff green hater like other people in here, but i do think bass is overpaid. if i were ferry i wouldn't take the celtics offer.

[SenorSpur]

That's a weird bunch of teams give by Wojo with some of them being poor fit. It looks more than he is just summarizing all the various rumors about Smith.

I'm warming up at the idea that Smith might be a good addition for Spurs as long as Spurs don't give up Kawhi or Tiago for him. For example, I think he would be a better addition than Al Jefferson.

After looking at both teams roster, the best offer Spurs could make, without a third team involved, should be:
Jack, Bonner, Blair, Joseph, 2 first round picks and cash for Smith and Tolliver.

Jack and Bonner are to match salaries and avoid Spurs paying some luxury tax. The cash sould cover Bonner 13-14 guaranteed salary.
Blair would give Atlanta another solid PF to partially cover Smith loss.
Joseph is a decent young prospect who can end up as Teague's backup.
Neal could also be included but I don't see Hawks being that interested in him. The best use to make of Neal in a Smith trade would be to trade him to a third team that gives Hawks an asset in return.
Hawks would need to cut Petro to make the trade work but it isn't an issue.

Ditto for me too. I'm also starting to warm up to the Josh Smith trade idea, so long as Splitter and Leonard are not involved. The Spurs cannot afford to part with either - especially for what could wind up being a 1/2 season rental. Any other combination of Jack's expiring contract, Bonner and Blair would be just fine. I'd also prefer the Spurs not have to give up any 1st round picks to make it happen. Let's face it, these picks are going to be so low, that they probably wouldn't help the Hawks anyway.

Meanwhile, I feel the potential acquisition of Smith would really help bolster the Spurs defensive capabilities in a potential WCF matchup versus the OKC Thunder. Last week, I thought this was just a pipe dream, and it still may be, but I'm starting to warm up to the potential possibilities.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

there should be a #letsmithspur, but that'd be pretty fucked up for danny.

[SpursIndonesia]

i'm not a jeff green hater like other people in here, but i do think bass is overpaid. if i were ferry i wouldn't take the celtics offer.

Jeff Green is a decent player, a tweener. But he's a SHITTY player for what his salary actually command. While Smith max salary demand seems ridiculous for next summer, his current salary is actually quite reasonable. So not only Atlanta gives up the better player in that deal, they would also have to open their rear and accept Ainge dick going in without lube by swallowing TWO horrible contracts at the same time ?

That's exactly the :lol that were given over that proposal.

[exstatic]

According to Gery Woelfel (http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/bucks-beat-uw-s-berggren-draws-attention-of-nba/article_4239c16e-77e4-11e2-8c4d-0019bb2963f4.html) of the Milwaukee Journal Times, "Boston is salivating over Atlanta forward Josh Smith and would be receptive to unloading Brandon Bass and Jeff Green to obtain him."

*A. Sherrod Blakely of CSNNE.com reported Saturday that the Celtics aren't very interested (https://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN/status/302842288885866496) in trading two players for one, since they already have so few healthy bodies.

If the Celtics really were offering that, do you think Danny would take it? Green is owed $22 millon over the next 2 and a half seasons and Bass is owed about $16 million over the same amount of time. Not sure if Ferry would want to take on role players with that much left on their contracts. That's $38 million total. Should be interesting to see where he ends up. Would be amazing if it was in the silver and black.

That's actually a worse trade that the Spurs expirings. Bass and Green are RJ style overpaid crap, and theyre thinknig ATL wants both. :lol

[Mal]

According to Gery Woelfel (http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/bucks-beat-uw-s-berggren-draws-attention-of-nba/article_4239c16e-77e4-11e2-8c4d-0019bb2963f4.html) of the Milwaukee Journal Times, "Boston is salivating over Atlanta forward Josh Smith and would be receptive to unloading Brandon Bass and Jeff Green to obtain him."

*A. Sherrod Blakely of CSNNE.com reported Saturday that the Celtics aren't very interested (https://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN/status/302842288885866496) in trading two players for one, since they already have so few healthy bodies.

If the Celtics really were offering that, do you think Danny would take it? Green is owed $22 millon over the next 2 and a half seasons and Bass is owed about $16 million over the same amount of time. Not sure if Ferry would want to take on role players with that much left on their contracts. That's $38 million total. Should be interesting to see where he ends up. Would be amazing if it was in the silver and black.

And now package with Blair, CoJo, Neal and Jackson is looking very good

[MR-Clutch]

Of the teams listed, The wizards and bucks might be the only teams that can offer a better package than the spurs. The wizards have a lotto pick but not sure what their expiring contracts look like. The bucks have Ellis and Jennings and a bunch of young bigs, but not sure if they would wanna commit to smith considering they've been in that purgatory of 6-9 seed range the past 3 years. Also, smith is kind of redundant unless sanders is part of the package. If I was the hawks I'm not sure i would wanna commit to Jennings or Ellis long term for the same reasons, unless they use them as a one year rental to obtain Henson or sanders.

[BatManu20]

"By and large, the speculation surrounding Josh Smith has been discouraging for the Atlanta Hawks, with few enticing offers being made. The Milwaukee Bucks may have finally made an intriguing offer, according to Wolstat, with Brandon Jennings andErsan Ilyasova being the main pieces."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1533264-nba-rumors-latest-on-utah-jazz-josh-smith-and-other-trade-deadline-buzz

Interesting though since Ilyasova just signed a 5 year, $40 million deal last year. Not sure if Danny Ferry wants that on the books. He's a good, young player though, so I wouldn't be surprised. This is by far the best rumored deal I've heard of for Smith imo. If it's true, wouldn't be surprised if he took it. I think it'd be dumb for Milwaukee though, because I can almost guarantee that Smith wouldn't re-sign there, even if they offer him close to a max deal (which I doubt they would anyways).

[Mal]

Milwaukee offer is good only for Hawks. Bucks wont do it, unless Smith sign extension right away, which I doubt.

I still believe that Hawks wouldnt get anything good for Smith, and they do it with Spurs for Neal, CoJo and picks + fillers

[Bruno]

Milwaukee offer is good only for Hawks. Bucks wont do it, unless Smith sign extension right away, which I doubt.

The new CBA has tightened rules for trade and extend or extend and trade moves. In such cases, the max extension Smith could get would pay him a little below $30M for 2 years. I don't see how Smith would be fine with it. The new CBA makes it also harder for Hawks to do a sign and trade this summer with Smith.

The team that will trade for Smith will take a risk because he will be for sure an unrestricted free agent this summer. As said in the Sam Amico article, it lowers his trade value.

[Mal]

So basiclly trading for Smith is only a half year loan, and than everybody with salary cup space can lure him ?

In such regard, Hawks will trade him for any package, since a pick is better than nothing. And then why would anybody trade anything that matches Smith value as basketball players.

I can see this Bucks trade happening, tho. They want to dump Ilyasova. Bucks have players, which Ilyasova is blocking from playing, and they dont want to overpay Jennings. And Jennings will get high bid from Dallas for example. If Hawks are looking for PF with 3pt range and reasonable price - Ilyasova could be their anwser.

[CGD]

What the Bucks proposal tells me is that Josh Smith WILL get max dollars somewhere. Ridiculously. Only way he stays at Bucks is at top dollar.

[exstatic]

So basiclly trading for Smith is only a half year loan, and than everybody with salary cup space can lure him ?

The team that trades for him gets an advantage: his Bird rights. They get to offer one more contract year and a higher percentage of annual raises.

[exstatic]

Actually, Smith can shot.

Anyone can shoot. He doesn't make enough to space the floor, even in long two pointers. His percentages from there and outside the arc are below average, even well below average. OTOH, for posters complaining about our offensive rebounding numbers, many more opportunities would suddenly be available from Smith's bricks.

[eDizzle20]

If the Bucks would be willing to give up Jennings the Hawks should jump at that deal.

[racm]

Anyone can shoot. He doesn't make enough to space the floor, even in long two pointers. His percentages from there and outside the arc are below average, even well below average. OTOH, for posters complaining about our offensive rebounding numbers, many more opportunities would suddenly be available from Smith's bricks.

He's even below 50% TS. Being below league average TS% (which is around the 53% mark this season IIRC) is already a red flag, and scoring on roughly less of your shooting possessions won't do for a team that prides itself on getting efficient shots (the Spurs are top 3 in team TS% despite being below average in FTAs, fwiw).

[racm]

If the Bucks would be willing to give up Jennings the Hawks should jump at that deal.

He'd be an even worse Devin Harris in their system. Teague is a better PG than Jennings is (though Jennings LOOKS like he's better because he's a volume scorer who gets a fair share of steals and doesn't turn the ball over that often).

[DrunkTXLabrat]

If the Bucks would be willing to give up Jennings the Hawks should jump at that deal.

why? they have jeff teague already.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

He's even below 50% TS. Being below league average TS% (which is around the 53% mark this season IIRC) is already a red flag, and scoring on roughly less of your shooting possessions won't do for a team that prides itself on getting efficient shots (the Spurs are top 3 in team TS% despite being below average in FTAs, fwiw).

he wouldn't shoot that bad here. pop would chew him out every time he takes a bad shot. plus chip would be working with him to improve his shot.

[lurker23]

So, I'm still not convinced the Spurs have the pieces to get Josh Smith, or whether breaking up the chemistry of this team is a good idea for a loan player like Smith. However, I think combining two of the major trade ideas on SpursTalk is actually more realistic than the two by themselves:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=asohpa9

Edit: Trade machine was having some issues, so here is the trade in text:

Spurs get: Josh Smith
Celtics get: DeJuan Blair
Hawks get: Fab Melo, Stephen Jackson, Cory Joseph, and Gary Neal

In addition, Hawks get Celtics first rounder, Celtics get Spurs first rounder (Spurs get the best player in the trade).

[DrunkTXLabrat]

So, I'm still not convinced the Spurs have the pieces to get Josh Smith, or whether breaking up the chemistry of this team is a good idea for a loan player like Smith. However, I think combining two of the major trade ideas on SpursTalk is actually more realistic than the two by themselves:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=asohpa9

Edit: Trade machine was having some issues, so here is the trade in text:

Spurs get: Josh Smith
Celtics get: DeJuan Blair
Hawks get: Fab Melo, Stephen Jackson, Cory Joseph, and Gary Neal

In addition, Hawks get Celtics first rounder, Celtics get Spurs first rounder (Spurs get the best player in the trade).

change joseph and neal to green and boner, drop the celtics 1st, and the spurs first goes to the hawks. done deal.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

change joseph and neal to green and boner, drop the celtics 1st, and the spurs first goes to the hawks. done deal.

What makes the Hawks add more salary when they're trying to get as much under the cap as they can? This move would be the opposite of everything they've done in the past couple of years.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

What makes the Hawks add more salary when they're trying to get as much under the cap as they can? This move would be the opposite of everything they've done in the past couple of years.

yeah it doesn't work with bonner anyway. here i fixed it. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=asohpa9

[DrunkTXLabrat]

grr stupid links. okay well my thinkin is the spurs had to dump bonner to the hawks. but the trade doesn't work so i dropped bonner. but i like the guys idea. i put blair to celts. melo, green, sjax to hawks. and smith to spurs and it worked. then the hawks get the spurs 1st.

[Bruno]

Spurs get: Josh Smith
Celtics get: DeJuan Blair
Hawks get: Fab Melo, Stephen Jackson, Cory Joseph, and Gary Neal

In addition, Hawks get Celtics first rounder, Celtics get Spurs first rounder (Spurs get the best player in the trade).

Using Blair and/or Neal with a third to give Hawks better assets is a good idea.

An issue with your trade is that it would put Spurs above the tax (Josh Smith has a trade bonus). If Spurs want to do a Kawhi-less, Tiago-less trade for Smith that let them below the tax, Bonner has to be included.

[lurker23]

Using Blair and/or Neal with a third to give Hawks better assets is a good idea.

An issue with your trade is that it would put Spurs above the tax (Josh Smith has a trade bonus). If Spurs want to do a Kawhi-less, Tiago-less trade for Smith that let them below the tax, Bonner has to be included.

Good piece of information to know. :tu

For what it's worth, I think there's a 90% chance that the Spurs either make no trade or make only a very minor trade (likely a Blair-for-pick trade).

[Spur|n|Austin]

Good piece of information to know. :tu

For what it's worth, I think there's a 90% chance that the Spurs either make no trade or make only a very minor trade (likely a Blair-for-pick trade).

I'm thinking the same, no trade..

[eDizzle20]

He'd be an even worse Devin Harris in their system. Teague is a better PG than Jennings is (though Jennings LOOKS like he's better because he's a volume scorer who gets a fair share of steals and doesn't turn the ball over that often).

Jennings is a skilled scorer and still can improve. Regardless of the fact that the Hawks have Teague there is always use for a quality player. The proposed trades on this thread are unrealistic. Every single one has the Hawks only getting expiring contracts and at the very best the Spurs 1st round pick, and btw this upcoming draft is pretty weak.

If I were the Hawks and that is the best I could get I would just do a sign and trade during the offseason. The Hawks will have Smith's Bird Rights so they do have some leverage in all of this even though they will not retain Smith after this season. To me there is no question a team would give Smith a max contract too.

[lurker23]

If I were the Hawks and that is the best I could get I would just do a sign and trade during the offseason. The Hawks will have Smith's Bird Rights so they do have some leverage in all of this even though they will not retain Smith after this season. To me there is no question a team would give Smith a max contract too.

(As always, someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.) The new CBA greatly reduced the power of the sign-and-trade. Since Josh Smith is going to be an unrestricted free agent, there is no benefit in doing a sign-and-trade (from what I can tell). Teams without Smith's Bird rights will only be able to offer a 4-year contract with 4.5% raises, even in a sign-and-trade. The team with his Bird rights can offer a 5-year deal with 7.5% raises.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one ("New Contracts" section)

[eDizzle20]

(As always, someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.) The new CBA greatly reduced the power of the sign-and-trade. Since Josh Smith is going to be an unrestricted free agent, there is no benefit in doing a sign-and-trade (from what I can tell). Teams without Smith's Bird rights will only be able to offer a 4-year contract with 4.5% raises, even in a sign-and-trade. The team with his Bird rights can offer a 5-year deal with 7.5% raises.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one ("New Contracts" section)

Good catch (#91 on first link). Thanks for posting that. Well, now I have to have to think with absolute certainty that Smith will be traded before the deadline.

[Mal]

Using Blair and/or Neal with a third to give Hawks better assets is a good idea.

An issue with your trade is that it would put Spurs above the tax (Josh Smith has a trade bonus). If Spurs want to do a Kawhi-less, Tiago-less trade for Smith that let them below the tax, Bonner has to be included.

Red Rocket to Celts to continue Scal legacy

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

You think the rights to Bertans might be a valuable asset?

[stnick2261]

Probably, but him and Hanga are our only 2 prospects that are actually improving, and I have hopes that they'll join us someday

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

My goodness, I completely forgot about Hanga. You said he's improving, how do you know this? Just curious, I'd like to keep up with his progress.

[stnick2261]

Hanga http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173287&page=5&p=6340765#post6340765
Bertans http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177037&page=6&p=6310053#post6310053

[BatManu20]

As the deadline quickly approaches, I'm beginning to feel more and more like we're not going to make any trades at all unfortunately. Maybe we trade Blair for a pick but that's about all I can see happening. As much fun as it is to think about what this team would look like with Smith, we simply don't have the assets to acquire him and our draft picks aren't very appealing. The F.O. isn't going to break up this team to acquire Smith when we have the best record in the league as of now and potentially mess with chemistry. This is most likely the team we're going to try and ride to #5, for better or worse.

[look_at_g_shred]

As the deadline quickly approaches, I'm beginning to feel more and more like we're not going to make any trades at all unfortunately. Maybe we trade Blair for a pick but that's about all I can see happening. As much fun as it is to think about what this team would look like with Smith, we simply don't have the assets to acquire him and our draft picks aren't very appealing. The F.O. isn't going to break up this team to acquire Smith when we have the best record in the league as of now and potentially mess with chemistry. This is most likely the team we're going to try and ride to #5, for better or worse.

Probably right...

[Bruno]

Spurs not doing a major trade is by far the most likely scenario but it's also the less fun one. Part of the trade deadline fun is talking about big trade even if everybody know they are unlikely.

[RodNIc91]

Trade tim, tony, manu / fire pop thread!

In all seriousness the trade i like the most is the one that gets us derrick williams

[cheguevara]

:lmao spurs are not getting josh smith :lmao seriously 11 pages? :lmao

[ace3g]

Spurs not doing a major trade is by far the most likely scenario but it's also the less fun one. Part of the trade deadline fun is talking about big trade even if everybody know they are unlikely.

Yep, and it's great watching the domino effect after a big trade occurs. When the Blair type deals happen.

[spurraider21]

Yep, and it's great watching the domino effect after a big trade occurs. When the Blair type deals happen.

dumped the baynes avatar, eh? :lol

[ace3g]

dumped the baynes avatar, eh? :lol

lol, don't take that as a sign I gave up on him, just wanted to give Kawhi props for game winning shot.

[Captivus]

Spurs not doing a major trade is by far the most likely scenario but it's also the less fun one. Part of the trade deadline fun is talking about big trade even if everybody know they are unlikely.

This. Its fun, I love reading about potential trades. Every time someone posts a new trade other start to criticize the trade and it end up being an interesting thread where people compare players, stats, other trades, CBA, cap...and so on...more Trade Machine!!

[MR-Clutch]

The best is the day before the trade deadline when there is news coming out every 20 minutes. As a hardcore NBA fan; Its just one of the most fun times of the year.

[racm]

R.C. should be on the phone to either Chicago/Boston offering Blair. They need a legit backup big.

[ace3g]

Yep trade deadline and draft night trade rumors are the 2nd best part of the season. Woj makes it even better.

[elemento]

The best is the day before the trade deadline when there is news coming out every 20 minutes. As a hardcore NBA fan; Its just one of the most fun times of the year.

Yeah, it's a lot of fun. I hope we make at least a minor move, just for the sake of the discussion.

Ace will have so much work on Wednesday/Thursday. Every time he updates a thread I get in immediately. :lol

[timtonymanu]

Yep trade deadline and draft night trade rumors are the 2nd best part of the season. Woj makes it even better.

I still get chills remembering about the rumored RJ for SJax trade and it actually going down.

[ace3g]

I still get chills remembering about the rumored RJ for SJax trade and it actually going down.

yeah considering it came right after I posted that rumor of Spurs acquiring Josh Howard, lol. Fun going back every now and then to that thread about the trade for SJAX from start to finish.

[spurraider21]

R.C. should be on the phone to either Chicago/Boston offering Blair. They need a legit backup big.

so do we :lol

[exstatic]

i disagree. the spurs can't afford to take the splitter parker pick and roll out of the starting line up. its the biggest catalyst in the spurs offense.

hypothetically, smith stats at 3. he's basically a second kawhi. we'd have to trust chip will get smiths shot up to spur levels. and pop to get smiths shot selection up to spur levels.

That's a lot of trust to place on a player who has fought with and been suspended by EVERY NBA coach he's had over these very issues.

[BatManu20]

A report out of Detroit this morning (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130218/SPORTS0102/302180351/Peers-predict-All-Star-future-Pistons-rookie-Andre-Drummond?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CSports%7C p) says that the Suns and Mavericks (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/dallas-mavericks) are talking to Atlanta the most.

Ferry is shopping Smith hard, and was in Houston for the weekend. Two teams to watch, according to league executives: Dallas and Phoenix. Phoenix went afterHornets (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/new-orleans-hornets) guard Eric Gordon (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/35057/eric-gordon) pretty aggressively in free agency last summer, signing him to a maximum offer sheet before the Hornets matched it, and is in need of a high-caliber talent. Dallas is trying to reload on the fly with Dirk Nowitzki slowed by age and injuries.

Trading Smith for Marcin Gortat straight up, which the Suns could do this week under the CBA, would save Atlanta tons of money but cut a big swath through the Suns projected summer cap room. Smith would make up to $9 million in 2013-14 more than Gortat was going to make.


http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/2/18/4002428/nba-trade-rumor-atlantas-josh-smith-probably-maybe-getting-traded (http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/2/18/4002428/nba-trade-rumor-atlantas-josh-smith-probably-maybe-getting-traded)

[LarryDavid]

How did this thread make it to 12 pages?

[BatManu20]

How did this thread make it to 12 pages?

Unemployment rate in America is at an all-time high.

[cheguevara]

don't worry. Spurs still conjuring up a deal that will land JSmith here for Blair Bonner and Jackson's spare gold tooth

still time to take this thread to 15 pages :lmao

[therealtruth]

If the front office trades for Smith it will be the RJ trade all over again. People will wonder how he lost his athleticism and is only shooting 3's from the corner.

[BatManu20]

If the front office trades for Smith it will be the RJ trade all over again. People will wonder how he lost his athleticism and is only shooting 3's from the corner.

It's not happening so we won't have to worry about it.

[exstatic]

If the front office trades for Smith it will be the RJ trade all over again. People will wonder how he lost his athleticism and is only shooting 3's from the corner.

Smith's about two years younger than RJ was, but yes, sometime during his next contract, his vertical will drop off a cliff.

[baseline bum]

The trade deadline as the best day of the season? No way man, first two days of the playoffs and then the conference finals period (when you have ECF one day, WCF the other) are the best parts of the NBA season.

[Hoops Czar]

The mass stupidity in this thread astounds me. Let's make up trade proposals centering around Corey Josephs, a first rounder in a weak draft and a bunch of expirings. If I was Danny Ferry, first I'd laugh, then I'd tell R.C. to call back when he's serious. I think Atlanta can do better all the way around and if if the Spurs had the only hat in the ring, and the offer didn't include Splitter or Leonard, Atlanta would just hold onto Smith. The Spurs aren't doing the Hawks any favors and Ferry isn't just going to hand the Spurs their best player.

[200 miles]

I don't understand all the surrounding hoopla there is for this guy. Not only would he probably cause an obvious disruption in the team's chemistry, but also he (I assume everyone has forgotten about this) is the only star-caliber player that I have ever seen, on multiple occasions, that could not defend Bonner on his way to the hoop.

Enough of Josh Smith already. Just a Blair-for-a-pick trade will suffice.

[ace3g]

If this was football he would be a great pick up for the defense, but unfortunately he has to play offense as well; still not sure how he would fit in the Spurs offensive system.

[BatManu20]

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)
Im told Monte Ellis's name is coming up in discussions btwn Milwaukee & ATL in potential Josh Smith deal.


Not that I really care much anymore cause he's not going to be a Spur, but it looks like Milwaukee has the best chance of landing him. If so, he'll be a nice 3 month rental for them, before he inevitably leaves in FA.

[Bruno]

303954988869226496
303960912728031233

Spurs could very well be a last minute good option for Hawks a Jackson+Bonner+Joseph+picks isn't a great option but it has the big edge of not committing money for Hawks to marginal players and can be done veryquickly without the assist of a third team.

[Seventyniner]

Spurs could very well be a last minute good option for Hawks a Jackson+Bonner+Joseph+picks isn't a great option but it has the big edge of not committing money for Hawks to marginal players and can be done veryquickly without the assist of a third team.

That's what I was thinking. The Spurs' offer may not be all that good, but if it's the best one on the table, it just might work. The Spurs have the chemistry and record to be comfortable with standing pat, but a massive talent upgrade like that would have to be considered.

Basically, the Hawks are telling Josh Smith and everyone else that they're absolutely not going to max him out. In that case, getting a young player and a pick is better than nothing.

[cd98]

As we all know, it is extremely unlikely that the Spurs trade for Josh Smith. Any package that doesn't include Leonard or Splitter would not inspire Atlanta. I could see a trade with the Suns or the 76ers as the most likely.

I must admit I do love seeing Dallas in the rumors. They have no assets other than the ability to take on salary, and yet they think Atlanta is going to take that deal for Smith, when just keeping Smith for the rest of the season and letting him walk will give them plenty of salary relief (and they already have salary cap relief thanks to the Joe Johnson trade). It reminds me of all those Knick rumors about top 5 NBA players they were going to get with their scrubs.

[objective]

If he can be had for scraps, then sure.

But just count me among those who isn't a fan of Smith for this team in general. Worse rebounder than Splitter, bad shooter, high usage, questionable b-ball iq, big ego.

The comparisons to Richard Jefferson aren't far off.

[ace3g]

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard) In trying to move J Smith, ATL called LAC and asked about Bledsoe. Short conversation. Clips not really interested in trading for Smith.

[cd98]

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard)In trying to move J Smith, ATL called LAC and asked about Bledsoe. Short conversation. Clips not really interested in trading for Smith.

You have to at least make the call. Clippers probably can't afford J. Smith. Has anyone heard about 76ers reaction to the offer of J. Smith for Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes. I think that is pretty good value for the 76ers. Of course, they are probably extra cautious about trades after the Bynum fiasco.

[ace3g]

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard) U never say never but source close to situation says Josh Smith to Phx 4 Gortat-headlined package is unlikely

[DrunkTXLabrat]

You have to at least make the call. Clippers probably can't afford J. Smith. Has anyone heard about 76ers reaction to the offer of J. Smith for Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes. I think that is pretty good value for the 76ers. Of course, they are probably extra cautious about trades after the Bynum fiasco.

that's a good offer. 76ers with bynum, smith, and holiday? hawks get somebody they can keep in turner, and hawes puts up decent efficiency number i think. at least he did to finish last year. i was thinking of drafting him in fantasy league.

[cd98]

If Danny Ferry did trade Smith to the Spurs for a package that didn't include the big three or Leonard or Splitter, then wouldn't that be akin to Jerry West and the Paul Gasol trade? I know Jerry had left the Grizzlies on the day that trade came through, but we all believe he was doing the Lakers a favor. If that is the case, we need to reach out to Demps and get him to trade us Gordon in the offseason.

[Mal]

303954988869226496
303960912728031233

Spurs could very well be a last minute good option for Hawks a Jackson+Bonner+Joseph+picks isn't a great option but it has the big edge of not committing money for Hawks to marginal players and can be done veryquickly without the assist of a third team.

Kinda hoping for it from beginning. I cant see why Danny Ferry couldnt do Spurs a favor, and choose Spurs` weak offer over any other.

[chazley]

Hawks have zero bad contracts, that is the main issue. You have to give them an asset, because expiring contracts mean absolutely nothing to them, especially considering theyre gonna be in the playoffs this year and Josh Smith will help there. For the Spurs, at a bare minimum that means Danny Green. Give Danny Ferry a pick of any of our backup PG. Maybe he likes a random piece on our team like Dejuan.

If so, a viable trade the Hawks would accept would be: SJax/Danny Green/Dejuan/Patty+1st round pick for Josh Smith+DeShawn Stevenson. Imagine a defensive lineup of TP/Stevenson/Kawhi/JSmoove/Duncan. Would be devastating.

[BatManu20]

You have to at least make the call. Clippers probably can't afford J. Smith. Has anyone heard about 76ers reaction to the offer of J. Smith for Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes. I think that is pretty good value for the 76ers.

I read that Philly doesn't want to give up Turner, and I don't blame them, unless Smith guarantees he will sign long term there. But wouldn't be surprised if they got ancy by the deadline and did it anyway.


Of course, they are probably extra cautious about trades after the Bynum fiasco.

And you mean you don't think this guy seems like the type of stand up guy to build a team around?

http://i.imgur.com/cVxDAcU.jpg

[chazley]

Wanna point out though, if you make that trade, you almost have to do a seperate trade involving Tiago, because Spurs would basically be saying goodbye before free agency even starts.

[BatManu20]

Wanna point out though, if you make that trade, you almost have to do a seperate trade involving Tiago, because Spurs would basically be saying goodbye before free agency even starts.

Smith would be a 3 month rental. We couldn't afford re-signing him. We will be re-signing Tiago this offseason regardless. But I'm about 95% Smith's not coming here anyways so the point is moot.

[cd98]

I read that Philly doesn't want to give up Turner, and I don't blame them, unless Smith guarantees he will sign long term there. But wouldn't be surprised if they got ancy by the deadline and did it anyway.



And you mean you don't think this guy seems like the type of stand up guy to build a team around?

http://i.imgur.com/cVxDAcU.jpg

No question I wouldn't build a team around a guy with that hair cut. Bad hair cut aside, the 76ers gave up one of their best players, bloated contract notwithstanding, for a guy with a big contract that sits on the injured reserve and has knees so bad he may never play again. Can you imagine if they traded even more of their assets for a guy that eventually leaves them in the offseason? I just don't know if they have the guts to make that move.

[chazley]

Smith would be a 3 month rental. We couldn't afford re-signing him. We will be re-signing Tiago this offseason regardless. But I'm about 95% Smith's not coming here anyways so the point is moot.

Spurs aren't trading pieces like Jax/DGreen/Tiago/draft picks for 3 month rentals such as JSmoove. If he comes here, Spurs are committing themselves to him for the long haul. The Spurs have to spend money this summer anyways, with Jax/Bonner/Ginobili (28m) all coming off the books.

[Captivus]

I dont know how many I have loaded the Spurs forum too see a trade!! KMON!! GIVE ME SOMETHING!!

[mo7888]

I dont know how many I have loaded the Spurs forum too see a trade!! KMON!! GIVE ME SOMETHING!!

Utah gets SJax and CoJo

Spurs get Milsaps and Bell

There ya go..

[BatManu20]

Ric Bucher ‏@RicBucher (https://twitter.com/RicBucher)
Not sure if the Spurs make a deal before Thursday, but a source says it won't be for Josh Smith or Al Jefferson.

The Jefferson rumor never had substance to it because it would've put San Antonio into a difficult salary-cap position. The Smith interest apparently died upon discovering that Josh simply didn't have the requisite Spurs' DNA. Former NBA coach Sam Mitchell told me today that playing for the Spurs would be a great benefit to Smith and I agree; he's never struck me as a malcontent or bad guy or purposely undisciplined. He might not have Spurs' DNA now, but I believe he wouldn't reject a transfusion and it would make the most of the raw talent he clearly has.


It's settled then.

/thread

[jesterbobman]

I don't think the Hawks should move Smith for Expirings and a pick. I think Ferry wants to combine Dwight and Smith up front, trade Horford for a good wing in the offseason and then add role players with their own/rockets picks. Don't see the point in them trading him, as winning games this year and making the playoffs(Even if only for 1 round and 2/3 home games) is worth as much as a #30 pick.

Jack and a 1st + Neal/Blair is easily worth it from a 3 month rental from our POV, but it doesn't save money for the Hawks.

[superbigtime]

I still get chills remembering about the rumored RJ for SJax trade and it actually going down.

I thought for sure it would put us in the NBA Finals.

[BatManu20]

"Former NBA coach Sam Mitchell told me today that playing for the Spurs would be a great benefit to Smith and I agree; he's never struck me as a malcontent or bad guy or purposely undisciplined. He might not have Spurs' DNA now, but I believe he wouldn't reject a transfusion and it would make the most of the raw talent he clearly has."

I agree with Sam Mitchell and Ric Bucher. If he can be had for a deal that favors us and doesn't require us to give up any major pieces (which seems possible considering the lack of good offers the Hawks have apparently received), and the only reason we're not pursuing him is because we don't think he has "Spurs DNA," I think that's a big mistake. I hope that's not the case, cause I could see that coming back to haunt us in the playoffs.

[Blizzardwizard]

Just found this little snippet

"who wouldn't want al or josh?! Your one of those keep splitter instead of josh homos that thinks josh would destroy out chemistry or think that tiago will win us a ring ? I sure hope not. I'm a spurs fan but I swear some spurs fans are blind and stupid"


:lmao

[jesterbobman]

Posted in General thread, but this can die now: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/226216/Source-Spurs-Wont-Acquire-Josh-Smith-Al-Jefferson

The San Antonio Spurs have been linked to trade discussions for Josh Smith and Al Jefferson, but a source the team won't pursue a move for either player.

The Spurs would have struggled to afford either player given their salary cap situation.

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo (https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo) Said an NBA executive on trade talk: "It's actually quiet. Everyone is waiting for Josh Smith to be moved first."

[BatManu20]

Five NBA Trades That Should Be Made

1. Atlanta PF Josh Smith to San Antonio for PF/C DeJuan Blair, SF Stephen Jackson and a first-round pick.

"Smith is headed somewhere, that much is fairly certain. Yes, he can be difficult, playing the role of the occasional knucklehead who is somewhat of a risk when the idea is team chemistry.

Talent-wise, however, there are no doubts. When focused, the guy is a borderline All-Star. When not, Smith is still pretty doggone good.

Lots of folks doubt the Spurs, who exited the All-Star break with the league’s best record, can maintain their current pace. Lots of folks feel that way for good reason. After all, the Spurs have crumpled in the playoffs every season since their last title in 2007.

Well, guess what? Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and even Tony Parker ain’t getting any younger. Smith would give the Spurs a talented pair of fresh legs, additional frontcourt scoring and rebounding, a big man who could both relieve and play alongside Duncan.

And with cool, calm and collected vets such Duncan, Parker and Ginobili, and a hard-edged coach in Gregg Popovich, the Spurs would be able to keep Smith in check.

Meanwhile, the Hawks would receive two expiring contracts and a coveted first-rounder. That last part would be the key to the deal, because Blair would merely be getting a two-month tryout and Jackson is just about done." - Sam Amico

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/02/20/13/Five-NBA-trades-that-should-be-made/msn_landing.html?blockID=866845&feedID=3561 (http://www.foxsportsohio.com/02/20/13/Five-NBA-trades-that-should-be-made/msn_landing.html?blockID=866845&feedID=3561)


I concur, even though it won't happen. It's too bad the FO doesn't think he has "Spurs DNA."

[Bruno]

Even after the Bucher report, I won't fully rule out a trade for Smith.

[eDizzle20]

Here's an interesting take from various writer's via ESPN Insider on where Josh Smith should land...
1. What's the best landing spot for Josh Smith (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2411/josh-smith)?
NBA Trade Machinehttp://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0214/nba_trade_machine_110.jpg (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine)Put on your GM hat and make your own trades and deals.
Trade Machine (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine)


Dan Feldman, PistonPowered (http://www.pistonpowered.com/): San Antonio. The Spurs have played at a faster tempo the past couple seasons, which fits Smith, and maybe Gregg Popovich could even eradicate Smith's inefficient reliance on jumpers. Most tantalizing would be Smith defending next to Tim Duncan (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/215/tim-duncan).
D.J. Foster, ClipperBlog (http://clipperblog.com/): San Antonio. The Spurs have a habit of turning lost causes (Stephen Jackson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/378/stephen-jackson), Boris Diaw (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2167/boris-diaw), Danny Green (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3988/danny-green)) into serviceable players, so certainly they could cure Smith's shaky shot selection and shine him up enough to help him earn a max contract this offseason.
Tom Haberstroh, ESPN.com: Brooklyn. If Josh Smith is truly looking for a max deal, he should immediately get on the horn with Nets owner and gazillionaire Mikhail Prokhorov. And by horn, I literally mean a horn because Prokhorov apparently doesn't own a cell phone.
Curtis Harris, Hardwood Paroxysm (http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/): Houston. The Rockets would be the ideal spot for Smith. His ability to create defensive havoc complements the stout rim protection of Omer Asik (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3414/omer-asik). The offensive half court may be cramped for space when Jeremy Lin (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4299/jeremy-lin) and Smith share the court, but in transition Smoove would ease those rough edges and make Houston absolutely devastating.
Tom Sunnergren, Hoop76 (http://hoop76.com/): Milwaukee. Though giving Smoove the big payday he's angling for might not be what's best for Milwaukee -- max deals are like Hall of Fame inductions; if you have to argue about whether a guy deserves one, he doesn't -- it'd be a joy to watch Smith and Larry Sanders (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4265/larry-sanders) wreak shot-blocking havoc together.

[SpursIndonesia]

Just follow the Miami vs Atlanta game, Smith certainly doesn't look anywhere near a max player and LeBron stopper. :lol

[therealtruth]

I can't figure out why guys want to do trades for the Spurs even though they have the best record. All the Spurs really need is solidify the 4th big and backup pg spots. Another backup SF might be nice too.

[King]

Just follow the Miami vs Atlanta game, Smith certainly doesn't look anywhere near a max player and LeBron stopper. :lol



Don't gauge a players worth on his ability to stop Lebron.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Don't gauge a players worth on his ability to stop Lebron.

great point

[SpursIndonesia]

Don't gauge a players worth on his ability to stop Lebron.

Then what is his main use should he be traded to the Spurs ? We have enough scoring, outside shooting, & playmaking abilities from our guards, post defense & defensive rebounding with the resurgent TD and Tiago, we don't attack the offensive glass. He certainly ain't gonna be a cornerstone for this franchise with his max salary demand and shitty overall play (for a max demanding free agent soon to be), but if he can be a Durant & LeBron stopper, then all of his shittiness might just be worth it as a post season rental.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

right now, lebron stopper or not. lebron can't be stopped, there's no point in gauging. lebron did score under 30 though.

[SpursIndonesia]

Well, look at that shooting %, that assists to TOs ratio, the rebounding numbers, i don't think LeBron's bothered at all & pretty much just coasting, doesn't need a max salary demanding player to make that kinda defense against the king, SJax will do just fine, while not bricking each and every fuckin outside shots taken and killed the team momentum along the way (playoff & fully healthy Jackson ofcourse). :lol

[Sean Cagney]

I thought for sure it would put us in the NBA Finals.

It was close man it was close!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jax especially in that game 6 when he tried so hard to get us to that 7 and possibly finals! RJ would not hit a three that game 6, better yet we don't make it there with him! I remember when the trade went down though for Jax, I was nearly in tears from the chills like the otehr guy said and felt like it was a long overdue reunion! I felt like 03 again for a while, the 4 were together again for another run :). I thought the Spurs would make it then lol, they came close.

[Obstructed_View]

Can you imagine if they traded even more of their assets for a guy that eventually leaves them in the offseason? I just don't know if they have the guts to make that move.

Isn't Bynum a free agent after this season? He's gonna chase the money. Somebody in Philly got paid by the Lakers to make that trade happen.

[Pop]

I can't figure out why guys want to do trades for the Spurs even though they have the best record. All the Spurs really need is solidify the 4th big and backup pg spots. Another backup SF might be nice too.

Because we have a really not so stellar record vs elite teams that we'll actually see in the POs you know...

[dougp]

Listening to M&M this morning on the radio, and Greg Anthony comes on and says the Spurs are a dark horse who need to trade to get Josh Smith ... Not sure why GA comes on and says this since it's extremely doubtful, but he just wants the cred.

[King]

Then what is his main use should he be traded to the Spurs ? We have enough scoring, outside shooting, & playmaking abilities from our guards, post defense & defensive rebounding with the resurgent TD and Tiago, we don't attack the offensive glass. He certainly ain't gonna be a cornerstone for this franchise with his max salary demand and shitty overall play (for a max demanding free agent soon to be), but if he can be a Durant & LeBron stopper, then all of his shittiness might just be worth it as a post season rental.

I'm not advocating him being on the Spurs, I'm saying that ruling out a player because he can't stop Lebron is a lesson in futility. There's not a person on the planet that can stop Lebron, so if you're looking for that guy, you're going to be looking for a while.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I'm not advocating him being on the Spurs, I'm saying that ruling out a player because he can't stop Lebron is a lesson in futility. There's not a person on the planet that can stop Lebron, so if you're looking for that guy, you're going to be looking for a while.

...and if you actually find him I seriously doubt he will be available via trade.

[stxspurs]

i didnt what Smith feeling up on my spurs anyway
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc394/Randy_S_14/funnies/f9/nmR0k8j_zps6249e99a.gif

[BatManu20]

i didnt what Smith feeling up on my spurs anyway
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc394/Randy_S_14/funnies/f9/nmR0k8j_zps6249e99a.gif

Lol at Mike Bibby's reaction.

[Embedded]

oh my gosh, Hawks just barely lost to the Lakers, and Josh Smith made boneheaded play after boneheaded play.

[timtonymanu]

Overrated player. Glad we didn't trade for him.

[BatManu20]

He really sucked down the stretch. Very poor decision maker. Talented player but whoever signs him to a max deal (or anything close) will regret it in 3 years.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Lol at Mike Bibby's reaction.

x2

[SpursIndonesia]

oh my gosh, Hawks just barely lost to the Lakers, and Josh Smith made boneheaded play after boneheaded play.

That's just what he is, a very physically gifted player who seems unable to ever get "it" and ascend to the next level as an elite superstar. He's a taketh as much as a giveth, plenty much like Blair or Neal, but with max salary demand to boot.

[Jordanobili2320]

That's just what he is, a very physically gifted player who seems unable to ever get "it" and ascend to the next level as an elite superstar. He's a taketh as much as a giveth, plenty much like Blair or Neal, but with max salary demand to boot.

lol did the news not reach Indonesia that the spurs didn't trade for Smoove? Do they even have computers in Indonesia? :lol:lol:lol