Durant picks Barkley over Duncan?

[td4mvp2k]

Durant was asked by the media in Houston who his all time team is...

PG. Magic
SG. MJ
SF. Bird
PF. Barkley
C. Shaq

[Mel_13]

He picked 5 retired players. Politically correct.

[td4mvp2k]

He picked 5 retired players. Politically correct.

No. The ? "who his all time top 5 was?". Politically correct.

[Mel_13]

I saw the question. He could have included someone from the group of Kobe, LeBron, Duncan, or Dirk, but he made up his team with retired players to avoid having to explain why he included one and not the other.

Politically correct.

[DPG21920]

No. The ? "who his all time top 5 was?". Politically correct.

Even though Durant admitted to stat padding, almost no one would name a current player that they might see in the playfoffs as their all time.

[AaronY]

wgas

[td4mvp2k]

I saw the question. He could have included someone from the group of Kobe, LeBron, Duncan, or Dirk, but he made up his team with retired players to avoid having to explain why he included one and not the other.

Politically correct.

If you saw the ? then you'd know he wasnt asked for just his "team of retired players" to avoid explaining or not. PC!

[td4mvp2k]

Even though Durant admitted to stat padding, almost no one would name a current player that they might see in the playfoffs as their all time.

:lol

[Mel_13]

If you saw the ? then you'd know he wasnt asked for just his "team of retired players" to avoid explaining or not. PC!

I have no idea what you're going on about.

[td4mvp2k]

I have no idea what you're going on about.

Your asking me that? Ha.

[Mel_13]

Or anyone else that has any clue what you're going on about.

[ambchang]

Barkley is probably #2 all-time at the PF spot, along with McHale, Dirk and Garnett.
Also, Durant could count Duncan as a C, to which having Shaq over Duncan is not all that big of a stretch.

[Mugen]

Bruh, reading comprehension. I don't think you understand.

[Mugen]

Barkley is probably #2 all-time at the PF spot, along with McHale, Dirk and Garnett.
Also, Durant could count Duncan as a C, to which having Shaq over Duncan is not all that big of a stretch.

Either you have a clear bias against Elbows Malone or you just forgot.

[z0sa]

Barkley is probably #2 all-time at the PF spot, along with McHale, Dirk and Garnett.
Also, Durant could count Duncan as a C, to which having Shaq over Duncan is not all that big of a stretch.

That's what I was thinking, though Mel makes a good point about all players being retired, as well. Barkley being a popular commentator doesn't hurt things, either. Not that KD is trying to hype himself through Barkley, but he may be thinking it's good for some laughs/jokes/discussion on TNT or w/e.

Also, Malone is #2 PFOAT without a doubt in my mind. Dirk and KG are neck and neck for #3. Dirk proved he could do it all by his lonesome but KG's defense and athleticism are miles ahead. I'd need to hear a great argument for McHale to even consider him, tbh. The main thing he has going for him is being on the same team as Larry Legend.

[Mal]

Obviously he didnt want to take guy, who is still playing....

[Cry Havoc]

Looks like bulletin board material for the WCF to me. I want KD to disrespect Duncan as much as possible between now and then.

[DPG21920]

Looks like bulletin board material for the WCF to me. I want KD to disrespect Duncan as much as possible between now and then.

I hope you are joking.

[Dex]

I have no idea what you're going on about.

:lol

[Cry Havoc]

I hope you are joking.

.... Why?

[z0sa]

Looks like bulletin board material for the WCF to me. I want KD to disrespect Duncan as much as possible between now and then.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Tim Duncan doesn't give a flying fuck about KD's top 5.

[ambchang]

Either you have a clear bias against Elbows Malone or you just forgot.


That's what I was thinking, though Mel makes a good point about all players being retired, as well. Barkley being a popular commentator doesn't hurt things, either. Not that KD is trying to hype himself through Barkley, but he may be thinking it's good for some laughs/jokes/discussion on TNT or w/e.

Also, Malone is #2 PFOAT without a doubt in my mind. Dirk and KG are neck and neck for #3. Dirk proved he could do it all by his lonesome but KG's defense and athleticism are miles ahead. I'd need to hear a great argument for McHale to even consider him, tbh. The main thing he has going for him is being on the same team as Larry Legend.

Malone is one of the most overrated player of all time, and one that I couldn't quite understand as most overrated players from from either NY or LA.

He was a great pick and roll player, nice defensive player, but if you were to put Dirk, Garnett or Barkley along with Stockton, they would have averaged 30ppg as well. The Jazz, in particular, would have been absolutely unstoppable with Dirk in place of Malone in the mid to late 90s, they wouldn't put up 59 points in a finals game even against the staunch perimeter defense of the Bulls.

Dirk and Barkley were both better creators on offense, more skillful, and Garnett is much better on defense, while comparable on offense. The Jazz were a good team back in the day because of Stockton, not Malone.

Looking at advanced stats, Malone, despite his team being a perennial title contender, Malone had a career best win share of 16.7. Barkley have two of those seasons, Dirk's peak was 17.7, Garnett's peak was 18.3, Duncan 17.8.

As for McHale, I have to admit it was a homer pick, but McHale could create better, had insane low post game, and his defense was very underrated. Bird was great, but McHale was no slouch either.

[Cry Havoc]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Tim Duncan doesn't give a flying fuck about KD's top 5.

I don't give two shits about what the guy guarding me at my gym thinks, but if he starts talking shit, I'm going to do what I can to shut him up. Remember the smack KG used to talk to Tim? He's a competitor, and it fired him up. He may not care about KD's top 5 but he sure as hell would have fun sending those whiny, self-entitled OKC morons home to their meth labs early.

[td4mvp2k]

I don't give two shits about what the guy guarding me at my gym thinks, but if he starts talking shit, I'm going to do what I can to shut him up. Remember the smack KG used to talk to Tim? He's a competitor, and it fired him up. He may not care about KD's top 5 but he sure as hell would have fun sending those whiny, self-entitled OKC morons home to their meth labs early.

TP did have words for Westbrook and thats not like him.

[thunderup]

I don't give two shits about what the guy guarding me at my gym thinks, but if he starts talking shit, I'm going to do what I can to shut him up. Remember the smack KG used to talk to Tim? He's a competitor, and it fired him up. He may not care about KD's top 5 but he sure as hell would have fun sending those whiny, self-entitled OKC morons home to their meth labs early.

Let it all out buddy

[Trill Clinton]

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[Cry Havoc]

Let it all out buddy

Oh, I do. I prefer exercise though, as opposed to ingesting rocks.

Where were you last night? We all just assumed you got some really good shit and were unconscious for most of the game, kind of like LeBron except in a "destroying your body" kind of way.

[thunderup]

Oh, I do. I prefer exercise though, as opposed to ingesting rocks.

Where were you last night? We all just assumed you got some really good shit and were unconscious for most of the game, kind of like LeBron except in a "destroying your body" kind of way.
I was here last night. I posted a congratulatory post to the Heat and even made a thread.

I don't do drugs. I think I've mentioned that plenty of times. Keep trying to make jokes out of your ass.

You're a terrible faggy poster who's butthurt soars higher than any other person I've come across on the internet.

[z0sa]

I don't give two shits about what the guy guarding me at my gym thinks, but if he starts talking shit, I'm going to do what I can to shut him up. Remember the smack KG used to talk to Tim? He's a competitor, and it fired him up. He may not care about KD's top 5 but he sure as hell would have fun sending those whiny, self-entitled OKC morons home to their meth labs early.

But he wasn't talking shit. He didn't mention Tim Duncan at all and it's not exactly a slight to say Barkley is better. To say this is "bulletin board material" is to literally say, Pop might think this would inspire the team and especially Timmy, which is honestly laughable.

[LkrFan]

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:lol

[ffadicted]

lol non issue even barkley picks duncan over himself

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol sperm fans pissed...put a sock in it clowns when ppl dont agree with you

[Latarian Milton]

shocked he didnt pick Dr J or himself over bird at SF tbh, otherwise it would have been a solid all-time monkeyball squad. monkeyballers admire monkeyballers imho

[Cry Havoc]

I was here last night. I posted a congratulatory post to the Heat and even made a thread.

I don't do drugs. I think I've mentioned that plenty of times. Keep trying to make jokes out of your ass.

You're a terrible faggy poster who's butthurt soars higher than any other person I've come across on the internet.

:lmao That's a compliment coming from you. :lmao Thanks! :tu

[Spurs 4 The Win]

I dont know how Durant forgot about Malone lol (since he was picking retired players)

[racm]

I dont know how Durant forgot about Malone lol (since he was picking retired players)

Durant probably puts a premium on not being dependent on a PG. :lol

[teddygreen]

blasphemy

[Kidd K]

Durant had a good list until he got to PF and C. Two terrible picks. You don't need Shaq when you have Bird, MJ, Magic, and a real, non-undersized PF like Duncan or KG. You want someone like Hakeem, Russell, Ewing, or Robinson instead of Shaq. Someone who will defend like a pit bull but still score, not just do almost nothing on D' but try to stay in front of his guy then go for rebounds, and only run hard when he's going back to the offensive end in the hopes he gets the ball. Kareem would've been a better pick too.

Durant obviously didn't put much thought into his team. Borderline soft frontcourt defense and a bunch of high volume scorers when there's only so many shots to go around on a given team.

[racm]

Durant had a good list until he got to PF and C. Two terrible picks. You don't need Shaq when you have Bird, MJ, Magic, and a real, non-undersized PF like Duncan or KG. You want someone like Hakeem, Russell, Ewing, or Robinson instead of Shaq. Someone who will defend like a pit bull but still score, not just do almost nothing on D' but try to stay in front of his guy then go for rebounds, and only run hard when he's going back to the offensive end in the hopes he gets the ball. Kareem would've been a better pick too.

Durant obviously didn't put much thought into his team. Borderline soft frontcourt defense and a bunch of high volume scorers when there's only so many shots to go around on a given team.

Just like his playing style tbh...

[dbreiden83080]

Malone was better than Barkley anyone who says otherwise didn't watch them play..

[da_suns_fan]

Duncan really isnt a power forward (hes a center) and Shaq was MUCH more dominant than Duncan.

Durants list is correct.

[Axe Murderer]

Durant had a good list until he got to PF and C. Two terrible picks. You don't need Shaq when you have Bird, MJ, Magic, and a real, non-undersized PF like Duncan or KG. You want someone like Hakeem, Russell, Ewing, or Robinson instead of Shaq. Someone who will defend like a pit bull but still score, not just do almost nothing on D' but try to stay in front of his guy then go for rebounds, and only run hard when he's going back to the offensive end in the hopes he gets the ball. Kareem would've been a better pick too.

Durant obviously didn't put much thought into his team. Borderline soft frontcourt defense and a bunch of high volume scorers when there's only so many shots to go around on a given team.

:lmao

[Arcadian]

He picked 5 retired players. Politically correct.

Even if that were true, Barkley is still a terrible choice. Malone and Pettit were better.

[ambchang]

Barkley > Malone. Malone was a great finisher off Stockton created offense.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Barkley > Malone. Malone was a great finisher off Stockton created offense.

Malone was better lol

[DMC]

Kobe didn't have a problem calling Duncan the best PF/Center to ever play the game. In turn, Duncan called Kobe a cross eyed rapist.

[maverick1948]

Funny everyone fussing over KD's choice of top 5. If you sit 100 people with basketball knowledge in the same room, had them write down the top 2 players at each position, you would get a total of 200 names for each position. Their would be 5-10 players dividing up the votes at each position. KD's list is acceptable, but has flaws in it. I wouldn't run him down for his choices. Mine would be different.

[Kidd K]

:lmao

Robinson was an excellent defender. Something a Craptors fan wouldn't know shit about. You probably weren't even watching basketball when he was in his prime.

[Danny.Zhu]

Because he could not get calls on those guys.

[ambchang]

Malone was better lol

Most people would say that, especially those who just look at the stats from the surface. But when you actually look deeper, you will see that Barkley was the better player. By better, I mean that a team should pick Barkley over Malone if it was starting from scratch.

Malone was fantastic with a phenomenal PG, we know that, but we don't know how he would fare without one. We sort of know what Barkley could do with an all-star level PG (Kevin Johnson), but as good as KJ was, he was no Stockton when it comes to creating offense for his teammates.

I couldn't find the points assisted stats going way back in the day, but I am positive that way more of Karl Malone's points were assisted (as a result of the pick and roll), while Barkley created most of his own offense. The downside is that Barkley was a low post pound the ball kind of guy, who tends to stop the offensive flow of a team, but Barkley could create offense as well as anyone in that era.

Barkley led the league in True shooting percentage for four straight years, which was phenomenal for a big man who doesn't shoot a lot from 3, take into account that those were the 6ers years when his teammates were horrible and the entire opposition was strictly to stop Barkley, and this is even more amazing.

Malone once led the league in offensive win share with 12.1 in the 97-98 season. While Barkley never led the league in offensive win share, he 3 seasons of 13+ from 88 to 90 (that is during the Jordan gone nuts years and Magic Johnson's prime and Barkley finished #2 in all three of those seasons).

Malone, with his longer career, obviously had a higher career win share (just like playing longer gave him more points that Jordan while Jordan had a higher PPG average and was obviously the better scorer), but when you look at career win share per 48 minutes, Barkley stood at 0.216, while Malone had 0.205, Malone had a career high of 0.268, while Barkley did it slightly better with 0.269. Despite a shorter career, Barkley had 4 seasons of 0.250 win shares per 48 minutes, while Malone only had 3. Malone had a career high win share of 16.7, while Barkley has two seasons that bested/tied that figure, with a high of 17.3.

Malone was much better defensively, I will give you that, but Barkley simply helped his team won more games. Also take into account that players on better teams usually gets higher win share numbers (sort of like +/-), and Barkley was stuck on some truly horrible teams more big chunks of his career, and you can see Barkley was simply the guy you want to build around rather than Malone.

Also, Barkley was the better rebounder, outside shooter, and passer, and you will see that Barkley has a very strong case of > Malone.

I haven't even taken into account Barkley's performance in the playoffs vs. Malone.

[Biggems]

Most people would say that, especially those who just look at the stats from the surface. But when you actually look deeper, you will see that Barkley was the better player. By better, I mean that a team should pick Barkley over Malone if it was starting from scratch.

Malone was fantastic with a phenomenal PG, we know that, but we don't know how he would fare without one. We sort of know what Barkley could do with an all-star level PG (Kevin Johnson), but as good as KJ was, he was no Stockton when it comes to creating offense for his teammates.

I couldn't find the points assisted stats going way back in the day, but I am positive that way more of Karl Malone's points were assisted (as a result of the pick and roll), while Barkley created most of his own offense. The downside is that Barkley was a low post pound the ball kind of guy, who tends to stop the offensive flow of a team, but Barkley could create offense as well as anyone in that era.

Barkley led the league in True shooting percentage for four straight years, which was phenomenal for a big man who doesn't shoot a lot from 3, take into account that those were the 6ers years when his teammates were horrible and the entire opposition was strictly to stop Barkley, and this is even more amazing.

Malone once led the league in offensive win share with 12.1 in the 97-98 season. While Barkley never led the league in offensive win share, he 3 seasons of 13+ from 88 to 90 (that is during the Jordan gone nuts years and Magic Johnson's prime and Barkley finished #2 in all three of those seasons).

Malone, with his longer career, obviously had a higher career win share (just like playing longer gave him more points that Jordan while Jordan had a higher PPG average and was obviously the better scorer), but when you look at career win share per 48 minutes, Barkley stood at 0.216, while Malone had 0.205, Malone had a career high of 0.268, while Barkley did it slightly better with 0.269. Despite a shorter career, Barkley had 4 seasons of 0.250 win shares per 48 minutes, while Malone only had 3. Malone had a career high win share of 16.7, while Barkley has two seasons that bested/tied that figure, with a high of 17.3.

Malone was much better defensively, I will give you that, but Barkley simply helped his team won more games. Also take into account that players on better teams usually gets higher win share numbers (sort of like +/-), and Barkley was stuck on some truly horrible teams more big chunks of his career, and you can see Barkley was simply the guy you want to build around rather than Malone.

Also, Barkley was the better rebounder, outside shooter, and passer, and you will see that Barkley has a very strong case of > Malone.

I haven't even taken into account Barkley's performance in the playoffs vs. Malone.

Malone, is a dirty, elbow throwing, piece of shit. I wouldn't let that garbage anywhere near my team. If I was building a team of 15 greats....neither he nor Stockton would be on it. Stockton was another dirty piece of shit. His best defensive move was a blow to the nuts and then stealing the ball. It seems as though Chris Paul learned his technique from Stockton, cause he is a proficient nutcracker as well.

My team

C - Kareem, Wilt, Robinson
PF - Russell, Olajuwon, Duncan
SF - Bird, Pippen, Wilkins
SG - Jordan, Gervin, Kobe
PG - Magic, Thomas, Cousy

[ambchang]

^ lol exactly my thoughts. But I try to be as objective as possible without taking his dirtiness and pedophelia come into the conversation