Carr in 2002

[mookie2001]

he's "promising" but he hasnt done shit
these players houston passed on
i think some of these would have been a better pick for the Texans


julius peppers
quentin jammer
roy williams
dwight freeny
jeremy shockey
phillip buchanon
javon walker
ed reed
lito sheppard
deshaun foster
clinton portis
antonio bryant
brian westbrook

[jalbre6]

I don't know what to make of Carr. He's obviously a tough kid and has tried to embrace a leadership role in Houston. Julius Peppers went 2nd and Harrington 3rd that year, and then Mike Williams and Jammer from UT went 4/5, and out of those five guys, I personally would take Peppers. I think people are realizing now that while he's a pretty good QB, he's not going to be a gamebreaking franchise player. He's Matt Hasselbeck with more hair, basically.

One more thing, though. Did Jacksonville and Carolina have different expansion rules than Houston? Both of those teams went to the conference title game their second year of existance.

Here's a list of the QB's eligible for the '02 draft:

Aaron,Jeff (6-3,206,Alabama-Birmingham) OVR:52
Applewhite,Major (6-0,214,Texas) OVR:53
Bonner,Dusty (6-1,220,Valdosta State) OVR:53
Brady,Marcus (5-11,186,Cal State Northridge) OVR:50
Buford,Seth (6-3,241,Cal Poly SLO) OVR:57
Carr,David (6-3,223,Fresno State) OVR:72
Collins,Ed (6-1,226,Montclair State) OVR:46
Curry,Ronald (6-2,220,North Carolina) OVR:51
Davey,Rohan (6-2,245,LSU) OVR:62
Doman,Brandon (6-1,210,BYU) OVR:56
Fasani,Randy (6-3,234,Stanford) OVR:58
Garrard,David (6-2,235,East Carolina) OVR:60
Godsey,George (6-2,209,Georgia Tech) OVR:53
Harding,Rob (6-3,235,Mississippi Valley) OVR:46
Harrington,Joey (6-4,215,Oregon) OVR:70
Hill,Shaun (6-3,223,Maryland) OVR:46
Kelly,Jeff (6-2,226,Southern Miss) OVR:46
Kennedy,Darnell (5-11,182,Alabama State) OVR:51
Kittner,Kurt (6-2,212,Illinois) OVR:65
Kustok,Zak (6-1,203,Northwestern) OVR:51
Levcik,Tim (6-6,235,Robert Morris) OVR:45
Lewis,Brad (6-3,215,West Virginia) OVR:47
Madkin,Wayne (6-3,227,Mississippi State) OVR:49
McCown,Josh (6-4,221,Sam Houston State) OVR:64
McEwan,Scott (6-2,205,UCLA) OVR:48
Mitchell,Scott (6-3,208,Western Washington) OVR:45
Neill,David (6-3,206,Navada-Reno) OVR:58
O'Sullivan,J.T. (6-2,223,Cal-Davis) OVR:59
Pate,Wes (6-2,228,Stephen F. Austin) OVR:57
Petty,Phil (6-2,206,South Carolina) OVR:48
Priestley,David (6-3,208,Pittsburgh) OVR:47
Ramsey,Patrick (6-2,219,Tulane) OVR:63
Rolovich,Nick (6-1,197,Hawaii) OVR:54
Smith,Jonathan (5-10,195,Oregon State) OVR:45
Smith,Aaron (6-4,227,Wagner) OVR:52
Van Dyke,Ryan (6-5,227,Michigan State) OVR:49
Welsh,John (6-1,213,Idaho) OVR:46
Zolman,Greg (6-2,220,Vanderbilt) OVR:55
Zow,Andrew (6-1,224,Alabama) OVR:52

[mookie2001]

the texans are out of years.
they have to win soon
I'm not a fan but i know that, i just want to see them win some games
david carr has taken every snap so naturally youd turn to him and ask how much time he needs before we can call him a bust
harringtons one already

[scott]

You didn't bold Dwight Freeny? Freeny, Peppers, and Reed are the top 3 players on that list. I'd love to include Roy Williams, but Reed has proven to be an MVP caliber player. Hopefully Roy steps up this year and has a likewise performance.

[msufan420]

I don't think you can call either Harrington or Carr a bust yet. They are now only going on their 4th year...it usually takes most QB's around this much time to mature.

With Harrington...yeah he makes stupid decisions sometimes under pressure. Most call him a failure because of his completion percentage so low as well as not many wins. What most don't realize is up untill last season, the Lions have not had a running game. Also very crappy receivers. In the past two seasons, the Lions have led the league in dropped passes...that can't all fall on Harrington's shoulders...I've seen so many of the Lions' sure handed receivers, like Roy Williams, drop so many gimmees....Now that said, I say this is the season to label him a bust if he can't get it done with the weapons he has now.

As for Carr...much of his failures has to do with in inferior o-line...at least in my opinion. If D. Davis can put together a full healthy season...and another wideout steps up to relieve some pressure of A. Johnson, Carr might deliver more than he has the past 3 years.

[jalbre6]

When I was looking over the Texans roster earlier, I noticed that former Nebraska QB Jamaal Lord is a 2nd year SS. Houston's QB roster consists of Carr, Dave Ragone (horrible in the only two starts he's ever made in the NFL, but a NFLE All Pro), BJ Symons (who's probably only there becuase he's from H-Town), Preston Parsons (third team in his career and has still never seen the field), and 53 year old Tony Banks.

When the third best QB on your team is an inactive roster safety, you got problems. I looked over Houston's roster and can't believe some of the names on there.

A&M's old backup punter Cody Scates? LaTarence Dunbar, the TCU wideout that got cut from Arenaball? Vernand Morency from Okie State, Tatum Bell's old backup?

[jalbre6]

You didn't bold Dwight Freeny? Freeny, Peppers, and Reed are the top 3 players on that list. I'd love to include Roy Williams, but Reed has proven to be an MVP caliber player. Hopefully Roy steps up this year and has a likewise performance.


Freeney was a risky pick at the time, I seemed to remember. Didn't he have a ruptured spleen when he was drafted?

[Horry For 3!]

You have to start off your franchise with a QB though and they thought Carr would be a great QB to start off with.

[Horry For 3!]

Here's a list of the QB's eligible for the '02 draft:

Aaron,Jeff (6-3,206,Alabama-Birmingham) OVR:52
Applewhite,Major (6-0,214,Texas) OVR:53
Bonner,Dusty (6-1,220,Valdosta State) OVR:53
Brady,Marcus (5-11,186,Cal State Northridge) OVR:50
Buford,Seth (6-3,241,Cal Poly SLO) OVR:57
Carr,David (6-3,223,Fresno State) OVR:72
Collins,Ed (6-1,226,Montclair State) OVR:46
Curry,Ronald (6-2,220,North Carolina) OVR:51
Davey,Rohan (6-2,245,LSU) OVR:62
Doman,Brandon (6-1,210,BYU) OVR:56
Fasani,Randy (6-3,234,Stanford) OVR:58
Garrard,David (6-2,235,East Carolina) OVR:60
Godsey,George (6-2,209,Georgia Tech) OVR:53
Harding,Rob (6-3,235,Mississippi Valley) OVR:46
Harrington,Joey (6-4,215,Oregon) OVR:70
Hill,Shaun (6-3,223,Maryland) OVR:46
Kelly,Jeff (6-2,226,Southern Miss) OVR:46
Kennedy,Darnell (5-11,182,Alabama State) OVR:51
Kittner,Kurt (6-2,212,Illinois) OVR:65
Kustok,Zak (6-1,203,Northwestern) OVR:51
Levcik,Tim (6-6,235,Robert Morris) OVR:45
Lewis,Brad (6-3,215,West Virginia) OVR:47
Madkin,Wayne (6-3,227,Mississippi State) OVR:49
McCown,Josh (6-4,221,Sam Houston State) OVR:64
McEwan,Scott (6-2,205,UCLA) OVR:48
Mitchell,Scott (6-3,208,Western Washington) OVR:45
Neill,David (6-3,206,Navada-Reno) OVR:58
O'Sullivan,J.T. (6-2,223,Cal-Davis) OVR:59
Pate,Wes (6-2,228,Stephen F. Austin) OVR:57
Petty,Phil (6-2,206,South Carolina) OVR:48
Priestley,David (6-3,208,Pittsburgh) OVR:47
Ramsey,Patrick (6-2,219,Tulane) OVR:63
Rolovich,Nick (6-1,197,Hawaii) OVR:54
Smith,Jonathan (5-10,195,Oregon State) OVR:45
Smith,Aaron (6-4,227,Wagner) OVR:52
Van Dyke,Ryan (6-5,227,Michigan State) OVR:49
Welsh,John (6-1,213,Idaho) OVR:46
Zolman,Greg (6-2,220,Vanderbilt) OVR:55
Zow,Andrew (6-1,224,Alabama) OVR:52
Carr was defintely the best QB of these QBs. Most of those players arn't even playing in the NFL right now.

[TheTruth]

Here's a list of the QB's eligible for the '02 draft:

Aaron,Jeff (6-3,206,Alabama-Birmingham) OVR:52
Applewhite,Major (6-0,214,Texas) OVR:53
Bonner,Dusty (6-1,220,Valdosta State) OVR:53
Brady,Marcus (5-11,186,Cal State Northridge) OVR:50
Buford,Seth (6-3,241,Cal Poly SLO) OVR:57
Carr,David (6-3,223,Fresno State) OVR:72
Collins,Ed (6-1,226,Montclair State) OVR:46
Curry,Ronald (6-2,220,North Carolina) OVR:51
Davey,Rohan (6-2,245,LSU) OVR:62
Doman,Brandon (6-1,210,BYU) OVR:56
Fasani,Randy (6-3,234,Stanford) OVR:58
Garrard,David (6-2,235,East Carolina) OVR:60
Godsey,George (6-2,209,Georgia Tech) OVR:53
Harding,Rob (6-3,235,Mississippi Valley) OVR:46
Harrington,Joey (6-4,215,Oregon) OVR:70
Hill,Shaun (6-3,223,Maryland) OVR:46
Kelly,Jeff (6-2,226,Southern Miss) OVR:46
Kennedy,Darnell (5-11,182,Alabama State) OVR:51
Kittner,Kurt (6-2,212,Illinois) OVR:65
Kustok,Zak (6-1,203,Northwestern) OVR:51
Levcik,Tim (6-6,235,Robert Morris) OVR:45
Lewis,Brad (6-3,215,West Virginia) OVR:47
Madkin,Wayne (6-3,227,Mississippi State) OVR:49
McCown,Josh (6-4,221,Sam Houston State) OVR:64
McEwan,Scott (6-2,205,UCLA) OVR:48
Mitchell,Scott (6-3,208,Western Washington) OVR:45
Neill,David (6-3,206,Navada-Reno) OVR:58
O'Sullivan,J.T. (6-2,223,Cal-Davis) OVR:59
Pate,Wes (6-2,228,Stephen F. Austin) OVR:57
Petty,Phil (6-2,206,South Carolina) OVR:48
Priestley,David (6-3,208,Pittsburgh) OVR:47
Ramsey,Patrick (6-2,219,Tulane) OVR:63
Rolovich,Nick (6-1,197,Hawaii) OVR:54
Smith,Jonathan (5-10,195,Oregon State) OVR:45
Smith,Aaron (6-4,227,Wagner) OVR:52
Van Dyke,Ryan (6-5,227,Michigan State) OVR:49
Welsh,John (6-1,213,Idaho) OVR:46
Zolman,Greg (6-2,220,Vanderbilt) OVR:55
Zow,Andrew (6-1,224,Alabama) OVR:52
The best player on this list doesn't even play QB anymore.

[samikeyp]

Vernand Morency from Okie State, Tatum Bell's old backup?
He started last season and had a pretty good year.

[TheTruth]

Tatum Bell is going to lead the AFC in rushing next year. COUNT ON IT!!

[SWC Bonfire]

The Cowboys would probably like to have someone of Carr's ability.

A servicable QB. Maybe not a superstar, but good enough. If Houston had the advantages that Carolina and Jacksonville did, they would be in an eviable situation.

I like watching the Texans. They try hard (unlike a team that is up the road just a bit) and will get over the hump one of these days.

[scott]

The Cowboys would probably like to have someone of Carr's ability.

A servicable QB. Maybe not a superstar, but good enough. If Houston had the advantages that Carolina and Jacksonville did, they would be in an eviable situation.

I like watching the Texans. They try hard (unlike a team that is up the road just a bit) and will get over the hump one of these days.

Carr throws a pretty ball - one of the best in the league. He's still young... I'll think he'll put the intangibles together and make it to the playoffs, especially as his team gets better. He needs to give up the whipped husband act though.

[N.Y. Johnny]

I wouldn't call Carr a washout or a bust, he's definitely a good starting QB and he's had some good wins for the young Texans team, some good come from behind wins i've seen so he's definitely a good QB that can win games.

He needs a stud RB in the backfield and I think also he would fluorish better under someone other than Capers
Capers is a good guy to build up the franchise with just as he did in Carolina, but I think he can only go so far with a team. Carr is definitely not struggled as badly as Joe Harrington has...this is his make or break year for him in Detroit.

btw Peppers was the STUD of that Draft

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Carr is definitely not struggled as badly as Joe Harrington has...this is his make or break year for him in Detroit.



Their career stats are eerily similar.

Carr

44 G
56.8 COMP %
8136 YDs
34 TDs
42 INTs

Harrington

46 G
54.2 COMP %
8221 YDs
48 TDs
50 INTs

It's all perception...

[scott]

Indeed, LionFan. I think Harrington sometime gets a bad rap... but no excuses for him this year.

[Horry For 3!]

Tatum Bell is going to lead the AFC in rushing next year. COUNT ON IT!!
I wouldn't be suprised if Tatum Bell is out of the starting line-up soon. It happens just about every year. The Broncos starter gets hurt the back-up has a break out season.

[Horry For 3!]

Which means you could see Maurice Clarett sometime this season.

[Duff McCartney]

Two words...Jeff Tedford. He's the sole reason Carr and Harrington were anywhere near anything in college. Every single QB he's had was great in college and has struggled in the NFL.

Trent Dilfer
Akili Smith
Joey Harrington
David Carr
Kyle Boller
Aaron Rodgers

None of these were even good Qbs. Dilfer won a SB but that defense is the one who really won it. Not him.

Smith is nothing, Harrington, Carr, Boller haven't proven much of anything in the NFL. I don't think Rodgers will either. He's basically just like Bob Stoops with his Qbs.

[Duff McCartney]

On the subject of the draft, if there was anybody who came out a loser in this years draft, it's Joey Harrington. Now he has absolutely no excuse to fail, and if he does, he's out of there.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

On the subject of the draft, if there was anybody who came out a loser in this years draft, it's Joey Harrington. Now he has absolutely no excuse to fail, and if he does, he's out of there.


He has to have a Brees-like year or win a playoff game to stay. I don't agree with it, but such is life in the NFL...

[msufan420]

I say the Lions should start Orlovsky...tank the season...and then draft Matt Leinart next year...at this point in his career he's already better than Harrington, Garcia, and Orlovsky put together.

[UtownSpur]

I dont think some people realize that the Texans were 7-9 last year. They were in playoff contention till the final two weeks of the season. I think Carr has done a good job. If anyone had the horrible O-line he has had to deal with their stats would be comparable. The Texans went to a new blocking scheme last season and it took them half the year to start gelling...Davis then started to hold on to the football and became an effective back. I truely feel that if the Defense can step up this year..they gave up way to many 3rd down conversions last year, the Texans will make the playoffs!

[midgetonadonkey]

They have a great chance making the playoffs this season. They are all still very young players, of the core Carr is the vet. The only thing that might prevent them making the playoffs is the difficulty of the division they play in. Jax is a nice young team that can go into the playoffs, Indy still has Peyton, James and Harrison. The only team that has issues are the Titans. Even then they should be better with Henry, not much better but better.

[UtownSpur]

It really puzzles me that lots of the national media is picking the jags to be a playoff contender and not the Texans. The Texans swept the Jags last year...and i believe Houston Shut them out in Jax as well. The Colts are clearly the class of the division but the Texans will surprise the league.

[N.Y. Johnny]

I dont think some people realize that the Texans were 7-9 last year. They were in playoff contention till the final two weeks of the season. I think Carr has done a good job. If anyone had the horrible O-line he has had to deal with their stats would be comparable. The Texans went to a new blocking scheme last season and it took them half the year to start gelling...Davis then started to hold on to the football and became an effective back. I truely feel that if the Defense can step up this year..they gave up way to many 3rd down conversions last year, the Texans will make the playoffs!



I've seen Carr bring them back a couple of times from the dead, and yeah its with a swiss cheese Offensive line that usually lets Carr be sacked or rushed all the time. I think if the Texans shored up the line solidly, got a stud RB back there then they'd win alot of games!
Houston should come close this season, they've come real far from that opening night vs. Dallas when they began their history to now. Look at the Cleveland Browns they're still a pathetic franchise since being in the NFL again in 1999, clearly going the other direction.

[T Park]

IMO Dominick Davis IS that stud running back, but like you said, they NEED quality offensive lineman.

Its been so long since any NFL player movement has been made, did the Texans go after any offensive lineman??

If Kyle Turley is available, hed be worth a flier.

[mookie2001]

had to bump this


look at these guys

how long does he get before Carrs a bust?

[scott]

Turns out Carr is horrible.

[Duff McCartney]

Turns out Carr is horrible.

Tell us something we didn't know. I just hope Joey Harrington isn't as terrible...if only cause he looks like the kid from Orange County....haha.

[Hook Dem]

I think Carr set his sights too low. When he broke into the league, all he wanted to do was beat the Cowboys. He did that but little else. Not much of a leader.

[Horry For 3!]

Which means you could see Maurice Clarett sometime this season.
That was dumb by me :lol

[Extra Stout]

Carr may be a serviceable quarterback someday.

But not for the Texans.

He's spent four years running for his life on every snap, and will never regain the confidence he needs to be successful in that system.

It's true that he's not much of a leader. He lets dumb shit like his hairdo become a distraction and shows his own discouragement on the field.

Not that I blame him for it all. Chris Palmer, who does not belong in the NFL, never even prioritized pass protection in his offensive scheme. I swear I am not making this up. His scheme has a lot of seven-step drops together with minimal pass protection. Children playing Pee Wee football understand the problem with this. Carr had to point the problem out to him and Dom Capers in the offseason. Palmer still hasn't figured it out. Capers patted himself on the back for writing down the meeting with Carr in his planner and showing up exactly 90 seconds early.

Maybe Brian Billick could do something with Carr.

But not the Texans. Casserly is a second-rate football guy who hired third-rate people, all of whom will be gone soon. The combination of poor drafting, poor free-agent choices, inept coaching, lackluster motivation, and mediocre effort has made the Texans the laughingstock of the NFL.

Bob McNair didn't pay $800 million to be laughed at by the Cardinals.

[Dre_7]

Carr has improved every year. He just needs some weapons. If he was in Detroit he would be 10x better then Joey Harrington.

[SWC Bonfire]

If the Cowboys had Carr instead of Carter, they would have made the playoffs IN SPITE of Jerry Jones and his head coach of the week Dan Campo.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Carr has improved every year. He just needs some weapons. If he was in Detroit he would be 10x better then Joey Harrington.

I highly doubt it. The Lions OL has been just as bad as Houston's the last few years ands they had the worst rushing game in the NFL two years ago.