Who is the DPOY so far?

[whitemamba]

1.Howard
2.Ibaka
3.Hibbert
4.Duncan
5. Sanders

no order. discuss

[DAF86]

Lebron wasted a big oportunity to win DPOY by coasting on D for most of the season, tbh.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i dont think duncan deserves to win it this year, fck even if they award it to him will be some life achievement award that has nothing to do with his play this season...he should reject the award....

[whitemamba]

Lebron wasted a big oportunity to win DPOY by coasting on D for most of the season, tbh.

only 7 times since '82 has a player that wasnt a center won the award.. most recent ron artest in 2004.. odds are its a bigman, not takin anything away from lebrons D, but i dont think hes DPOY status

[Brunodf]

Duncan, our D/rebounding looked like shit when he was out

DRtg= 94, lowest since 2007

[whitemamba]

i dont think duncan deserves to win it this year, fck even if they award it to him will be some life achievement award that has nothing to do with his play this season...he should reject the award....

well i put him put him up there bc i think hes 3 or 4 in the league in block shots.. and has improved since last year

[TDMVPDPOY]

only 7 times since '82 has a player that wasnt a center won the award.. most recent ron artest in 2004.. odds are its a bigman, not takin anything away from lebrons D, but i dont think hes DPOY status

lebrons defense...chasing passing lanes for steals and blocking clowns from behind on fast breaks...i dont see him playing any sort of man2man defense shutting down a player below their seasonal avgs...

[KL2]

Duncan, he's averaging 2.8 BPG in just 29.7 mpg, he's also a better overall defender than both Howard and Ibaka.

[TDMVPDPOY]

well i put him put him up there bc i think hes 3 or 4 in the league in block shots.. and has improved since last year

u know his defensive stats are misleading right? i can go into detail if needed....

his defensive stats were shit when he had no other big next to him, compare it the seasons where there was bigs playing alongside him and its a big spike in defensive stats...

did i mention he never defends the other teams best big? its always the other big whoever is on the court with him, or him only playing defense on them during small stretches of the game or closing the game for a win...explains why his never fouled out cause his preserving his 6 fouls, while the other big is always in foul trouble defending the best big of the other team...

his blocks, are usually help defense blocking a guy from behind when the other big has already trapped him and ready for the block, sometimes u see 2 guys blocking a shot and duncan gets the credit...u know it, i know it, just dont tell it to spurfans and CoD members

[whitemamba]

lebrons defense...chasing passing lanes for steals and blocking clowns from behind on fast breaks...i dont see him playing any sort of man2man defense shutting down a player below their seasonal avgs...

pretty much this, thats all athleticism, but hes an average 1 on 1 defender.

[DAF86]

only 7 times since '82 has a player that wasnt a center won the award.. most recent ron artest in 2004.. odds are its a bigman, not takin anything away from lebrons D, but i dont think hes DPOY status

If he really tried to he could win it, you know the media (voters) will be on his side. Besides I don't remember Artest on his prime being that much better on defense than a focused Lebron.

[DAF86]

pretty much this, thats all athleticism, but hes an average 1 on 1 defender.

lol what?

When he wants to he can shut niggas down, just ask Derrick Rose.

[whitemamba]

If he really tried to he could win it, you know the media (voters) will be on his side. Besides I don't remember Artest on his prime being that much better on defense than a focused Lebron.

no troll intended, but what do u mean by he could if he wanted to, individual defense is not something lebron is known for. team defense is something else .

[whitemamba]

lol what?

When he wants to he can shut niggas down, just ask Derrick Rose.

dudes what 6'8 280 and hes fast and agile.. hard to get around a dude that big and strong..

[DAF86]

no troll intended, but what do u mean by he could if he wanted to, individual defense is not something lebron is known for. team defense is something else .

I mean putting the effort on D during the whole season and also making people pay attention by saying that he's aiming for the DPOY and creating hype with shit like that. He would definitely have a shot.

And I guess we would have to agree to disagree regarding Lebron one on one defense. When he tries Lebron is better than anyone on one on one defense, imho.

[DAF86]

dudes what 6'8 280 and hes fast and agile.. hard to get around a dude that big and strong..

Yeah, well. That's pretty much what makes him such a great one on one defender, tbh.

[whitemamba]

I mean putting the effort on D during the whole season and also making people pay attention by saying that he's aiming for the DPOY and creating hype with shit like that. He would definitely have a shot.

And I guess we would have to agree to disagree regarding Lebron one on one defense. When he tries Lebron is better than anyone on one on one defense, imho.

u think he has that much power in the media to hype himself? has he established that credibility? does lebron usually gaurd the opposing teams best player?

[TDMVPDPOY]

u think he has that much power in the media to hype himself? has he established that credibility? does lebron usually gaurd the opposing teams best player?

only stretches during the game or closing the game u will see him playing d on the best player, but other than that his nowhere to be seen most of the game....

if kobe can live on reputation of 2 mins like his playing locked down defense for most of his career, i dont think lebron cant get away with it

[HarlemHeat37]

Lebron guarded the opposing team's best player for long stretches during the past 2 playoff runs..

He shut down Iguodala, Pierce, Rondo, Deng and Rose when he was assigned to them..Durant and Anthony's numbers were shitty in 1 on 1 situations against Lebron, but they dominated against Battier..

As DAF said, Lebron coasted on D during the 1st half of this year, clearly conserving his energy..during the past 2 playoffs, he has been the best perimeter defender in the NBA, with Wade not too far behind, tbh..

[Raven]

really, there is no big man that should win it other than Tim Duncan. It would be an easy trophy if Pops played him, but if he plays 20 per game then he will probably not win it. All the other bigs have no leverage whatsover, so it has to be a different type of player. If lebron and miami played like last year's D, then i would have no problem giving it to him, but with Oklahoma, Miami, Milwakee, New York all having average or below average team defenses, i really have no idea who will win it..

[TDMVPDPOY]

the only chance the league will give it to lebron is if they are trying to make another jordan this era....fck that shit

[Latarian Milton]

noah deserves a nomination at least. bulls are one of the best defensive teams in the league and noah deserves to take credit for that, especially when boozer is a mediocre-average defender

[Clipper Nation]

Larry Sanders deserves it, tbh...

http://i.imgur.com/UzcNPmI.jpg

(Also, David Lee really, really sucks on defense :wow)

[JamStone]

noah deserves a nomination at least. bulls are one of the best defensive teams in the league and noah deserves to take credit for that, especially when boozer is a mediocre-average defender

I was going to mention Joakim. He definitely deserves some consideration. He's also a do-it-all big man defender. He's not just a post defender or just a weakside shot blocker. He's great in pick-n-roll situations and on switches (at least compared to most bigs). He's also active in passing lanes and in getting deflections and steals for a big. And hs motor and intensity allow him to sustain a really high energy level all the time. Defensively, there's a little bit of KG in his game. Also a little bit of Ben Wallace in style.

[Kidd K]

Howard definitely doesn't deserve a mention. The Lakers' D is rated 18th this year. Thunder's 8th, Spurs are 3rd, Pacers are 1st, Bulls 4th, Heat are 12th. I think that rules out LeBron too imo.



u know his defensive stats are misleading right? i can go into detail if needed....

his defensive stats were shit when he had no other big next to him, compare it the seasons where there was bigs playing alongside him and its a big spike in defensive stats...

did i mention he never defends the other teams best big? its always the other big whoever is on the court with him, or him only playing defense on them during small stretches of the game or closing the game for a win...explains why his never fouled out cause his preserving his 6 fouls, while the other big is always in foul trouble defending the best big of the other team...

his blocks, are usually help defense blocking a guy from behind when the other big has already trapped him and ready for the block, sometimes u see 2 guys blocking a shot and duncan gets the credit...u know it, i know it, just dont tell it to spurfans and CoD members

It seems like you don't even watch the games with some of the shit you say.

Oh hey, Duncan's defensive stats aren't good with another big next to him? No shit. You're supposed to have two bigs on the floor, not one.

Duncan usually defends the other team's best big unless he's in foul trouble. You just described the exact opposite of what actually happens. Duncan doesn't foul out because he defends without biting on pumpfakes and shit. Notice how he rarely leaves his feet for a block and is usually in good position, not scrambling to get back to the spot he was supposed to be at. That's why he isn't fouling out, not because he isn't playing D'. Try actually watching games.

Most players' blocks are help defense blocks. But no, they're not "blocks from behind" either. He usually gets them when someone's diving in for a layup and trying to go around Duncan when Duncan moved over to help defend the basket. You know, basic, normal big man defense. Duncan actually gets less credit for his blocks, not more. When he blocks a guy's shot before the ball leaves his hands, it isn't counted. He does that fairly frequently too.

[Mel_13]

Larry Sanders deserves it, tbh...

http://i.imgur.com/UzcNPmI.jpg

(Also, David Lee really, really sucks on defense :wow)

Great graphic.

What's the source?

[Clipper Nation]

Great graphic.

What's the source?
https://www.twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry

[stretch]

pretty much this, thats all athleticism, but hes an average 1 on 1 defender.

Lol bullcrap.

[Raven]

Larry Sanders deserves it, tbh...

http://i.imgur.com/UzcNPmI.jpg

(Also, David Lee really, really sucks on defense :wow)

LoL at spurstalk laughing at me when i said diaw is more suitable for the spurs coz david lee is a turnstile at D..

[gaKNOW!blee]

Didn't Lebron completely completely dominate last years playoffs on the defensive side of the ball? Or am I imagining that?

I'm finding it hard to believe people still question Lebron being the best perimeter defender in the game. Yeah he doesn't do it night and and night out in the regular season because he doesn't need to. Once the playoffs come around he will start guarding the other teams best 1-4 player (only player in the NBA that can do that) and then maybe everyone will remember.

[FkLA]

Larry Sanders deserves it, tbh...

http://i.imgur.com/UzcNPmI.jpg

(Also, David Lee really, really sucks on defense :wow)

lol 'Lee isnt that bad of a defender'
lol DUNCANownsKOBE

[Brazil]

lol 'Lee isnt that bad of a defender'
lol DUNCANownsKOBE (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=26386)

still Lee > Diaw but you are right :lol at Lee Defense. I didn't think he was that bad tbh

[tlongII]

It's LeBron and it's not close.

[FkLA]

still Lee > Diaw but you are right :lol at Lee Defense. I didn't think he was that bad tbh

Just shows how gullible ST is tbh. Lee is still better but hes nowhere near the player dumb niggas acted like he was... i.e. idiots saying a top form or close to top form Diaw would still not be as good as David Lee (yet another terrible stretch take).

[DMC]

Who ever it is, they won't make the all NBA defensive team. lol at that shit last season.

[TDMVPDPOY]

diaws a piece of shit that is just to passive on the floor when you need another scorer, or just passing up to many open shots the defense gives him....his starting to take them now, but it doesnt change my opinion about him...

[gaKNOW!blee]

diaws a piece of shit that is just to passive on the floor when you need another scorer, or just passing up to many open shots the defense gives him....his starting to take them now, but it doesnt change my opinion about him...

dude what players DO you like?

[TDMVPDPOY]

dude what players DO you like?

duncan, but since im banned from upstairs, ima have to go HAM on him or anyone

[FkLA]

^Pretty sure you called Timmy D a 'scrub' all of last year and in the off-season until his hot start this season. :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

^Pretty sure you called Timmy D a 'scrub' all of last year and in the off-season until his hot start this season. :lol

i call everyone a scrub just to get someones reaction, those in the game live chat knows this every spurs possession or stuff up defensive play

everyone knows duncan is untouchable on this board, so might as well ripped one into his ass and see everyones reaction...

[TIMMYtoZO]

:lol at Ibaka getting recognition. That stupid monkey doesn't deserve to be anywhere near that award.

[spurraider21]

dudes what 6'8 280 and hes fast and agile.. hard to get around a dude that big and strong..

I feel like every time LeBron's weight is mentioned its 5 pounds more than last time

[TDMVPDPOY]

I feel like every time LeBron's weight is mentioned its 5 pounds more than last time
compare him to kmalone, even karl was never listed at 280 and look at him

[JingleJangleJingle]

It's LeBron and it's not close.

LeBron's defense hasn't been as good as last year or years before...granted he is doing less one-on-one and more anchoring so...

[Latarian Milton]

how the all NBA defensive team manages to snub DPOY is always beyond me tbh. but it starts to make sense when you see players like kobe making appearances on the defensive team time after time

[Kool Bob Love]

i call everyone a scrub just to get someones reaction, those in the game live chat knows this every spurs possession or stuff up defensive play

everyone knows duncan is untouchable on this board, so might as well ripped one into his ass and see everyones reaction...


I was gonna say.

I was here thinking "Damn how could he hate Tim being DPOY when his username is TDMVPDPOY"

you are one cheeky kunt mate

[Raven]

still Lee > Diaw but you are right :lol at Lee Defense. I didn't think he was that bad tbh

yeah, he's THAT bad..

[Grit and Grind]

Ibaka is a terrible on ball defender all he does is stat pad blocks . No love for TA and Marc Gasol in this thread but anyways
1 Timmmy D
2 Marc Gasol
3 Sanders

[Rip-Hamilton32]

Noah has had a pretty good year on Defense

[Latarian Milton]

you can have a great season as a defender (like the prime MWP) and win the DPOY award which you deserve, but there's still a big chance you will see bron and kobe being picked into the defensive team over you.