What's wrong with Manu's FT shooting?

[TMTTRIO]

It used to be almost automatic that he would go up there and hit it but now you can always expect him to miss them. He used to be the most reliable guy on the team for hitting them but now he's not. That's one part of his game I thought he would continue to be good at.

[Blizzardwizard]

Age, and a lack of hair.

[Brunodf]

Splitter's disease

[SpursIndonesia]

It used to be almost automatic that he would go up there and hit it but now you can always expect him to miss them. He used to be the most reliable guy on the team for hitting them but now he's not. That's one part of his game I thought he would continue to be good at.

He's a geriatric old fart, being inconsistent is within his domain tbh.

[Reck]

Yeah I was wondering the same. I'm of the mind that he is just rusty.

I picked up on the habit of closing my eyes everytime he's at the FT line. He's been so bad from there.

[ElNono]

Non-Issue

[emanueldavidginobili]

Hes thinking about it for whatever reason, you can tell he gets pissed every time he misses one. but honestly every free throw he missed rolled out thats a good sign, if its hitting the left or right of the rim then his shot is off

[racm]

I don't get it, Timmy/Tony/Tiago are all having career years at the stripe but Manu isn't.

[boutons_deux]

a lot of his shots are short, FT and jumpers, tired? weak?

[AFBlue]

Lack of focus and effort...has plagued him throughout his career.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Lack of focus and effort...has plagued him throughout his career.

Effort? I agree with lack of focus but I would never put lack of effort and Manu Ginobili in the same sentence

[timvp]

Meh, that's typical of Manu when he's working his way back from injury. He'll go through these rough patches but then it'll even out when he becomes all but automatic when he rediscovers his rhythm.

[rogcl1]

Effort? I agree with lack of focus but I would never put lack of effort and Manu Ginobili in the same sentence

Can you say sarcasm?

[LakerHater]

He got the majority of his points from the line tonight!

[EricB]

Manu looked like 2007 Manu to me tonight.

wish we could bottle it and save it for April may.

[ffadicted]

Def lack of hair

[superjames1992]

He's shooting 82% from the free throw line this year, guys. He's down from the 85-90% he has been at over the last few years, but it's not a huge difference.

It wasn't until 2006-2007 that he became an elite free throw shooter. Here were his numbers prior to that:

2002-2003 - 74%
2003-2004 - 80%
2004-2005 - 80%
2005-2006 - 78%

And then he shot from the mid- to upper-80s from there on out until this year, but he's still at 82%, which is better than in either of his first four seasons.

[Sean Cagney]

I don't get it, Timmy/Tony/Tiago are all having career years at the stripe but Manu isn't.

LOL can't have them all on, one Spur has to be off from the LINE! If not that would not be the SPURS!

[Reck]

He's shooting 82% from the free throw line this year, guys. He's down from the 85-90% he has been at over the last few years, but it's not a huge difference.

It wasn't until 2006-2007 that he became an elite free throw shooter. Here were his numbers prior to that:

2002-2003 - 74%
2003-2004 - 80%
2004-2005 - 80%
2005-2006 - 78%

And then he shot from the mid- to upper-80s from there on out until this year, but he's still at 82%, which is better than in either of his first four seasons.

Solid research. :tu

[LoneStarState'sPride]

He's shooting 82% from the free throw line this year, guys. He's down from the 85-90% he has been at over the last few years, but it's not a huge difference.

It wasn't until 2006-2007 that he became an elite free throw shooter. Here were his numbers prior to that:

2002-2003 - 74%
2003-2004 - 80%
2004-2005 - 80%
2005-2006 - 78%

And then he shot from the mid- to upper-80s from there on out until this year, but he's still at 82%, which is better than in either of his first four seasons.

So.......the sky ISN'T falling? :lol

[freetiago]

Manu seems more efficient then his numbers show
maybe the terrible AT&T boxscore keepers messing up
feels like hes been a 50/38/85+ guy his whole career
in 05 he got to the line whenever he wanted and he was automatic
80 isnt automatic

[racm]

Manu seems more efficient then his numbers show
maybe the terrible AT&T boxscore keepers messing up
feels like hes been a 50/38/85+ guy his whole career
in 05 he got to the line whenever he wanted and he was automatic
80 isnt automatic

He's been constantly above 20 PER for most of his career too and has a TS% in the high 50s.

[Rapper]

nervous

[Solid D]

Yeah, I think it's a rhythm thing with Manu.
The FT shooting against the Warriors ended up causing the Spurs to lose that game. They missed 9 FTs (Tim 3, Tiago 3, Tony 2, Manu 1).

[hater]

dude's broken. inside and out

[Brazil]

Rip Manu tbh :cry

[jestersmash]

Solid research. :tu

:lol it takes all of 5 seconds to pull up season-specific FT% from nba.com or basketball-reference. Although, I suppose your bar for stat-related "research" could be abnormally low.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

RHYTHM. Manu is utterly a rhythm player, when he gets his groove back he'll be automatic again.

[Reck]

:lol it takes all of 5 seconds to pull up season-specific FT% from nba.com or basketball-reference. Although, I suppose your bar for stat-related "research" could be abnormally low.

He took the time to search it regardless of how much time it took. Stop being butthurt about other people's postings and pay more attention to your own shitty unwanted and snarky comments here.

[jestersmash]

He took the time to search it regardless of how much time it took. Stop being butthurt about other people's postings and pay more attention to your own shitty unwanted and snarky comments here.

So your bar for stat-related "research" is low. That's fine - I'm not judging. And just for the record, I don't view you as a lesser person because you resorted to uncivilized insults. I'll even let you have the last word if want to respond to this post with another insult.

[capek]

Meh, that's typical of Manu when he's working his way back from injury. He'll go through these rough patches but then it'll even out when he becomes all but automatic when he rediscovers his rhythm.

This. How can people not be intimately familiar with the two sides of Manu Ginobili by now? The 'working himself into form' Manu where you never know what you're going to get, and the 'in form' Manu who's a bad ass and only does about 15% wrong and 85% right.

[Ice009]

edit : wrong thread.

[callo1]

Meh, that's typical of Manu when he's working his way back from injury. He'll go through these rough patches but then it'll even out when he becomes all but automatic when he rediscovers his rhythm.

This.

Manu really relies on being confident....right now he isn't

[superbigtime]

It concerns me less than Neal's extended shooting slump. You can count on Manu.

[rascal]

He still has to get his legs back after missing some time. Takes longer now as he gets older.

[bus driver]

didnt manu have 12 points against the suns on 1-6 shooting? i say nothing is wrong with his FT shooting, but whats up with his FG shooting?

[Kidd K]

He's fine. Look, if a guy shoots 80%, that means he's missing one of every 5 shots.

He's basically only missing one more FT per game over the last few games than usual. It's not a big deal. At some point he'll go 8/8, 9/10, 6/7, 6/6 etc, which will pump his FT% back up to around 83-84%. Which btw, is good.

Ginobili's FT shooting isn't as consistent as guys like Westbrook and Durant because he doesn't consistently get to march to the FT line and take 10 shots there every night. He gets anywhere between 0-6 a game usually. With the sporadic attempts, you get fluctuating performance. He's rounding back into shape right now too, so let's give him a week or two before talking about how he's done. He pretty much hasn't been healthy yet this year.

[capek]

He's fine. Look, if a guy shoots 80%, that means he's missing one of every 4 shots.



You sure that's what that means?

[jmard5]

He's shooting 82% from the free throw line this year, guys. He's down from the 85-90% he has been at over the last few years, but it's not a huge difference.

It wasn't until 2006-2007 that he became an elite free throw shooter. Here were his numbers prior to that:

2002-2003 - 74%
2003-2004 - 80%
2004-2005 - 80%
2005-2006 - 78%

And then he shot from the mid- to upper-80s from there on out until this year, but he's still at 82%, which is better than in either of his first four seasons.

Nice find!

[Solid D]

I did notice Manu was putting too much weight on his back foot while shooting a FT the other night in PHX.

[Kidd K]

You sure that's what that means?

1 of every 5 I meant, lol :P Must've hit 4 on accident. Edited, good catch, thanks

[KL2]

Bump

[spursparker9]

Finally cost a game

[KaiRMD1]

1 free throw

[DejuanorwhatDude]

What a choke job.

[BatManu20]

Yea Manu should've hit it, but we shouldn't even have been in that situation. Spurs looked stagnant all night, and made way too many dumb mistakes. TO's killed us, and kept PHX in the game. Then putting Wesley Johnson on Tony completely disrupted the flow of our offense, as usual. This was just one game, but that scheme is what should really worry everyone. We better learn how to score points when a bigger defender is on Tony or we'll be going home a lot earlier than expected in the playoffs.

[ElNono]

Yea Manu should've hit it, but we shouldn't even have been in that situation.

basically... the miss is inexcusable when you're in the position we were on, but if a lottery team like the Suns made it a 3 pt game after 48 mins in your house, you have bigger problems.

[Texas_Ranger]

it's not just Manu, the whole team is in a slump... but tonight Manu did fuck up.

[TampaDude]

basically... the miss is inexcusable when you're in the position we were on, but if a lottery team like the Suns made it a 3 pt game after 48 mins in your house, you have bigger problems.

^ this

Manu hits both FTs and the Spurs win 101-100 in regulation...but the game shouldn't even have been that close.

This is how losing streaks start. I predict the Spurs lose at least the next two games. Watch.

[Boomersgold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRJwlx0OVbM

[Seventyniner]

This is how losing streaks start. I predict the Spurs lose at least the next two games. Watch.

I'm going the other way. Spurs by 26 tomorrow night. A win is a win and the team will be pissed that they let one slip away.

[superbigtime]

Pretty disheartening to admit that Manu cost us this game.

[bus driver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRJwlx0OVbM

shouldve worn my ST shirt last night and the spurs would have won...:depressed

[superbigtime]

It concerns me less than Neal's extended shooting slump. You can count on Manu.

I retract my previous comment.

[spurs10]

Pretty disheartening to admit that Manu cost us this game.
It was the transition defense that did us in.....:depressed

[capek]

I'm going the other way. Spurs by 26 tomorrow night. A win is a win and the team will be pissed that they let one slip away.

Definitely. Team apparently needed a wake up call. They're empiricists so the one thing they'll take from the game is that ball movement completely stopped late in the 4th and overtime. Apparently even really good teams like this years Spurs can, for 17 minutes at the end of a random game, lose the plot. Knowing that can happen, and result in an overtime loss to a shit team at home, is about as good a way to learn to not forget to move the ball as possible. Hence why Pop likes the occasional loss. Teaching opportunity; reminds the guys to remember to stay focused and work the game plan. It was a shitty loss, but something a Championship team can learn from without getting dragged down. If they turn out not to be a championship team, then who the fuck cares about a random Feb loss.

Either way, the thought that this loss will send the team into a tailspin makes me :lol. Also making me :lol is the whole "reverse jinx I'm gonna predict poor results so my team will succeed" magical thinking. :wakeup

[Seventyniner]

Also making me :lol is the whole "reverse jinx I'm gonna predict poor results so my team will succeed" magical thinking. :wakeup

tbh I nearly placed a bet on Phoenix +15.5 last night. I thought that line was way too high in a classic letdown scenario. I never imagined the Spurs would lose, though. Even going into overtime I was thinking more about margin of victory than the possibility of a loss. Perhaps the team was starting to think that way too?

[AFBlue]

This must be the most idiotic comment I've ever read

Now I understand why blue text is needed.

Sarcasm: "Hi"
Randy: "I don't think we've met."

[TampaDude]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRJwlx0OVbM

Should've just shoved him out of bounds before he could get there.

[emanueldavidginobili]

He just missed it oh well, shit happens. Of all the people on the court at that time I would want Manu to be shooting those free throws.

[spurs10]

Should've just shoved him out of bounds before he could get there.
Anything, but leave him wide open!!

[TampaDude]

Anything but leave him wide open!!

Exactly...give them the two foul shots and box out on the second shot. Spurs win.

[spurs10]

Exactly...give them the two foul shots and box out on the second shot. Spurs win.

Tomorrow night can't come soon enough. I can only hope a loss like this will be a huge wake-up call! Yes, it's great if we make every shot and free-throw, but you can't. You can avoid a wide open three at the buzzer for the tie.