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timvp
02-25-2013, 01:24 AM
If one were to glance in a cursory manner at Patrick Mills statistics on the season, one would wonder why he hasn't become a fixture in the rotation. The Spurs historically value reserve guards who can score. And with Manu Ginobili able to handle most of the playmaking responsibilities of the bench unit, Mills' lack of natural point guard instincts are much less of an issue than would be the case on most teams.

So why has Mills thus far been unable to crack the rotation? His true shooting percentage of 57.4% is eighth best in the NBA for point guards. Mills also scores more points per minute than a handful of luminaries at his position including Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo, Jeremy Lin and Jose Calderon.

Unfortunately, if one replaces the cursory glance with an in-depth analysis, the picture that is painted makes it clear why Mills has been unable to gain traction this season: His statistical successes have mostly been accumulated in garbage time.

When the Spurs have been leading or trailing by more than 10 points this season, the Australian has produced amazing numbers. Prior to tonight's game against the Phoenix Suns, in that context Mills has shot 42-of-82 (51.2%) from the floor and 22-of-45 (48.9%) on three-pointers.

However, when the spread is no more than 10 points, Mills has been a totally different player despite a nearly identical sample size. Prior to tonight, he was 31-of-79 (39.2%) from the field and 13-of-46 (28.3%) on threes during close games.

More evidence of Mills' untimely shooting: Coming into tonight's affair, he was 17-for-47 (36.2%) from the field and 4-for-24 (16.7%) on three-pointers during first and second quarters -- the periods that are mostly likely to be hotly contested.

It goes without saying that he needs to be more than a garbage time All-Star to win a spot in the regular rotation. Mills must exhibit an ability to shoot it straight in the guts of the game.

Tonight against the Suns, Mills thrived in the first half as he scored eight points while spearheading San Antonio's attack. It's this type of production that will give him a chance to become an everyday player for the Spurs.

An aesthetically-pleasing stat sheet tells only part of the story. The other part of the story is told by context. Statistically, Mills has been very good this season. Contextually, he has struggled. For a team with lofty goals, context is king. Hopefully tonight's performance by Mills proves to be the catalyst in aligning his true value to this Spurs and his remarkable statistical production.

Spursfanfromafar
02-25-2013, 01:28 AM
A flawed post in my opinion.

How can you term a period where the Spurs are trailing by more than 10 a garbage period. Performances during this specific time period could also be crucial for comebacks (his early fourth quarter runs in some previous games are testimony). I think you have to remove this or contextualise this better to assess Mills' contribution.

LoneStarState'sPride
02-25-2013, 01:29 AM
Agree.

Brunodf
02-25-2013, 01:33 AM
Spurs lost some games due to lack of garbage points...

freetiago
02-25-2013, 01:40 AM
i dont buy Manu being a full time backup point
at this point in his career hes a good change of pace who can catch teams of guard with his left handedness and quirky footwork
he becomes predictable when they rely on him too much and he starts to turn it over more and attempts things he just cant do anymore

Spurs need a true backup point guard and let Manu play offball more
hes still one of the best in the league at it and he kills so many guys with his hard cuts
he did a lot of his foul drawing off the ball on catch and shoot pumpfakes

De Colo fits that best and Mills is the better fit when Manu is ball handling
but you dont wanna just play a guy 5 minutes in one half and let manu go off ball and let the other guy play a few minutes while ginobili handles the ball

Mills best role in the nba is probably a energizer off the bench who can score quickly but isnt to be relied upon
hes won a few games doing that
A memphis game sticks out the most to me

timvp
02-25-2013, 01:49 AM
A flawed post in my opinion.

How can you term a period where the Spurs are trailing by more than 10 a garbage period. Performances during this specific time period could also be crucial for comebacks (his early fourth quarter runs in some previous games are testimony). I think you have to remove this or contextualise this better to assess Mills' contribution.

Reasonable point but: 1) Obviously it's going to be flawed to some degree since I used general cutoffs 2) I was aiming at making a general point and it's clear that generally it's more important to shoot well in close games than it is to shoot well when the score isn't close -- we could run a leverage report and those numbers would agree with that basic assessment 3) We're dealing with a small sample size as it is; hacking it further would likely produce diminishing returns

The tl;dr of the matter is Mills has unequivocally struggled in close games and in first halves. Given his overall strong numbers, my humble opinion is that those struggles are notable and have played a role in his inability to nail down a role.

racm
02-25-2013, 01:56 AM
Reasonable point but: 1) Obviously it's going to be flawed to some degree since I used general cutoffs 2) I was aiming at making a general point and it's clear that generally it's more important to shoot well in close games than it is to shoot well when the score isn't close -- we could run a leverage report and those numbers would agree with that basic assessment 3) We're dealing with a small sample size as it is; hacking it further would likely produce diminishing returns

The tl;dr of the matter is Mills has unequivocally struggled in close games and in first halves. Given his overall strong numbers, my humble opinion is that those struggles are notable and have played a role in his inability to nail down a role.

He's simply not suited to go against starting-caliber units, that's what it tells me. But that's why the Spurs have Tony Parker anyway.

99 Problems
02-25-2013, 01:59 AM
Nice read. A number of those closer games Mills has been used very briefly and as that 'change of pace guy'. Hustle more so.

Spursfanfromafar
02-25-2013, 02:09 AM
The tl;dr of the matter is Mills has unequivocally struggled in close games and in first halves. Given his overall strong numbers, my humble opinion is that those struggles are notable and have played a role in his inability to nail down a role.

Fair enough. A look at those situations (again small sample size but not unsubstantial) where the Spurs trailed by 10 and more shows that Mills has generally helped in cutting the deficit. He has made 13 of his 20 FG attempts - 8 of them 3 pointers when the Spurs trail by 10 or more, most of them in the early-mid 4th quarter.

Link: http://bkref.com/tiny/QPfr7

It doesnt take away from what you say, but it does adduce to the fact that Mills is a very good change of pace option, who can catch a complacent opposition off guard.

timvp
02-25-2013, 02:41 AM
It doesnt take away from what you say, but it does adduce to the fact that Mills is a very good change of pace option, who can catch a complacent opposition off guard.

Subjectively, I've always thought Mills is best used as a change of pace option, as you put it. He seems to be really good at bringing life to the team when they find themselves back on their heels.

But if Mills is ever going to play meaningful, consistent minutes, he needs to have more than limited usefulness. If Mills is only viable when the Spurs are down double-figures in the second half during a time when Pop isn't playing TP and Manu, that's a really narrow window.

DanAu
02-25-2013, 03:15 AM
I really dont see how anyone could make a sure decision at the moment on what to do with the PG minutes. With Mills and De Colo not getting many minutes and giving frustratingly inconsistent results, not to mention Neal's early season heroics tapering off to well....much the same as Mills and De Colo, then you have CoJo given probably what could be translated to (if those games were vs NBA teams) similar performances in the D-League.

Its frustrating to watch the merri-go-round of who plays the minutes each game with seemingly no consistency. I am just hoping that there is some kind of master-plan going on that we're all blind to.

DanAu
02-25-2013, 03:19 AM
Further to that, and not being an avid NBA follower, do many other teams have a secondary backup guard that fills the roll that Mills is filling? The Energizer Bunny roll for limited minutes situationally? Is it a position/role worth filling a roster spot with? Seems to me that Nate played a similar role a few years back, but that he's made his game more consistent and solidified his position.

That type of player seems to drift from team to team each season or during the season in trades, but might be worthy of a bit of cash if that role really suits the team.

racm
02-25-2013, 03:28 AM
Further to that, and not being an avid NBA follower, do many other teams have a secondary backup guard that fills the roll that Mills is filling? The Energizer Bunny roll for limited minutes situationally? Is it a position/role worth filling a roster spot with? Seems to me that Nate played a similar role a few years back, but that he's made his game more consistent and solidified his position.

That type of player seems to drift from team to team each season or during the season in trades, but might be worthy of a bit of cash if that role really suits the team.

Reminds me of 2011 Barea.

benfti
02-25-2013, 04:26 AM
I hope I can shed some light on this a bit.

As some of you are aware I have irregular dialogue with Patty from time to time. What you need to keep in mind with Mills is 3 things.

1. Patty attacks everything with a bit between his teeth, from his morning cornflakes to 2nd quarter three point attempts, he has one gear, flat out. He is acutely aware that his opportunity to become the permanent back up is his to own, and this year, thats his goal, he wants it badly, so it probably provides him a propensity to force things a little, Pop and BB are well ware of this, hence Pop is frequently working with him to not force things and let things come to him, most will note his more "constrained" offensive approach he has adpoted the last few months with the message facilitate dont try and dictate. FO are well aware that Patty has the tools to drive a game off his own hand. His speed with the ball in his hands has few rivals in the league and when on his ability to create his own shot with that speed is going to be a handful for any leagues second unit, but he needs to work on his all around game. Patty knows consistant offence will help his cause in gaining more minutes, particularly if he can score at a higher clip than Neal, and there are a couple of guys in the team that really want him to succeed so much so that he will be feed the ball quite a lot on O but again, the passing which he has been working on will help his cause further. His D has come on leaps and bounds since he crossed from Portland.

2. The Spurs plan for him is long term, his plan long term is to work his way into being TP's unquestionable backup and then take over one Tony hangs up his boots, he loves the Spurs and is a fiercely loyal person, so he would be happy to work on a fairly low (by NBA standards) wage to stay.

3. People forget how young he is, he left college after his Sophomore year, played 2 years at Portland with little guidance and landed with us late last season. Its hard because he had logged so much playing time in the worlds eye, pin up for SMC, all the international stuff, Olympics etc, a successful stint in China that people thing he has been around for longer, when in retrospect he is only in his 2nd year out of college in effective years. Personally I thought he should have returned to SMC as a junior after he broke his hand. His Olympic showing and his game against Steph Curry in post season play had many believing he could go first round that year in a year full of point guard options. But hey I cant complain, going the long way around he ended up on my fav team. I think he is worth the development long term. I really which more teams in the nba would look at roster spots 13/14/15 as long term. I do think though Patty should be in the 10 right now.

Boomersgold
02-25-2013, 05:05 AM
http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/2013/02/24/130224millsmov-2396021

Postgame: Patty Mills

chapnis
02-25-2013, 05:12 AM
I hope I can shed some light on this a bit.
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Thanks, really interesting to hear, especially the part about developing him long-term. I really do want to see Patty succeed as he just seems like such a great guy and I would be happy to have him playing on the Spurs in the years to come.

99 Problems
02-25-2013, 06:35 AM
Nice insight benfti. Nice ref re Mills v Curry. Perhaps in time we look back at at Delladevova v Lillard from late 2011 when SMC & Weber State went at it. Who knows? Lol.

silverblk mystix
02-25-2013, 07:31 AM
Mills is a player. Players need to play.

Remember all the Splitter haters and doubters when Splitter rarely touched the floor and if he dared make a mistake or underperform - the haters would parrot Pop's comments that Splitter is just a limited player.

Splitter now plays regular rotation minutes and he magically seems better. Not brain surgery.

Players need to play to be who they always have been at every level they have played in since they were kids - yup - players.

Let Patty play regularly and he will be who he has always been....wash, rinse, repeat...

silverblk mystix
02-25-2013, 07:33 AM
...and on the other side...chokers will always be chokers...even with EXTENDED playing time...

when the pressure mounts...they will revert to who they have always been...yup...chokers.

Don't need to mention any chokers names.

therealtruth
02-25-2013, 07:42 AM
i dont buy Manu being a full time backup point
at this point in his career hes a good change of pace who can catch teams of guard with his left handedness and quirky footwork
he becomes predictable when they rely on him too much and he starts to turn it over more and attempts things he just cant do anymore

Spurs need a true backup point guard and let Manu play offball more
hes still one of the best in the league at it and he kills so many guys with his hard cuts
he did a lot of his foul drawing off the ball on catch and shoot pumpfakes

De Colo fits that best and Mills is the better fit when Manu is ball handling
but you dont wanna just play a guy 5 minutes in one half and let manu go off ball and let the other guy play a few minutes while ginobili handles the ball

Mills best role in the nba is probably a energizer off the bench who can score quickly but isnt to be relied upon
hes won a few games doing that
A memphis game sticks out the most to me

I agree Manu's got to play of the ball more. Start him and let him play of the ball and then bring in a Nando/Green backcourt.

Captivus
02-25-2013, 08:27 AM
I think the problem that Neal, NDC and Mills is the same one.
They still don’t know what they have to do.
I don’t care what they say, or what Pop says, at the end the position they play and the responsibilities change from game to game and that’s Pop fault.

Who can answer me which player is the Backup PG for the POs? What other team in the league has that same problem? (yeah yeah...I know...the Spurs have the best win%)
The worst think the Spurs can do is not have a plan.

That’s the reason I think CoJo won’t have opportunities to play. If he starts to play the problem is even worse.

Boomersgold
02-25-2013, 09:36 AM
I think the problem that Neal, NDC and Mills is the same one.
They still don’t know what they have to do.
I don’t care what they say, or what Pop says, at the end the position they play and the responsibilities change from game to game and that’s Pop fault.

Who can answer me which player is the Backup PG for the POs? What other team in the league has that same problem? (yeah yeah...I know...the Spurs have the best win%)
The worst think the Spurs can do is not have a plan.

That’s the reason I think CoJo won’t have opportunities to play. If he starts to play the problem is even worse.

Agreed. It's a lack of consistency in their playing times that have made them seem inconsistent themselves. If Pop were to choose a player to develop, and stick with him throughout the course of 1 season, then we'd probably be seeing much more development from that chosen player.

Mel_13
02-25-2013, 10:09 AM
I hope I can shed some light on this a bit.

As some of you are aware I have irregular dialogue with Patty from time to time. What you need to keep in mind with Mills is 3 things.

1. Patty attacks everything with a bit between his teeth, from his morning cornflakes to 2nd quarter three point attempts, he has one gear, flat out. He is acutely aware that his opportunity to become the permanent back up is his to own, and this year, thats his goal, he wants it badly, so it probably provides him a propensity to force things a little, Pop and BB are well ware of this, hence Pop is frequently working with him to not force things and let things come to him, most will note his more "constrained" offensive approach he has adpoted the last few months with the message facilitate dont try and dictate. FO are well aware that Patty has the tools to drive a game off his own hand. His speed with the ball in his hands has few rivals in the league and when on his ability to create his own shot with that speed is going to be a handful for any leagues second unit, but he needs to work on his all around game. Patty knows consistant offence will help his cause in gaining more minutes, particularly if he can score at a higher clip than Neal, and there are a couple of guys in the team that really want him to succeed so much so that he will be feed the ball quite a lot on O but again, the passing which he has been working on will help his cause further. His D has come on leaps and bounds since he crossed from Portland.

2. The Spurs plan for him is long term, his plan long term is to work his way into being TP's unquestionable backup and then take over one Tony hangs up his boots, he loves the Spurs and is a fiercely loyal person, so he would be happy to work on a fairly low (by NBA standards) wage to stay.

3. People forget how young he is, he left college after his Sophomore year, played 2 years at Portland with little guidance and landed with us late last season. Its hard because he had logged so much playing time in the worlds eye, pin up for SMC, all the international stuff, Olympics etc, a successful stint in China that people thing he has been around for longer, when in retrospect he is only in his 2nd year out of college in effective years. Personally I thought he should have returned to SMC as a junior after he broke his hand. His Olympic showing and his game against Steph Curry in post season play had many believing he could go first round that year in a year full of point guard options. But hey I cant complain, going the long way around he ended up on my fav team. I think he is worth the development long term. I really which more teams in the nba would look at roster spots 13/14/15 as long term. I do think though Patty should be in the 10 right now.

Interesting insight. Many here believe that Patty will opt out of his contract this summer and look for a team that offers more potential playing time. I listen to his interviews and watch him with the team and believe that he'll stay.

BG_Spurs_Fan
02-25-2013, 10:10 AM
Interesting insight. Many here believe that Patty will opt out of his contract this summer and look for a team that offers more potential playing time. I listen to his interviews and watch him with the team and believe that he'll stay.

I agree, I think Mills will stay and occupy Neal's spot in the rotation. Neal hopefully gets plaid by some team, dude deserves it.

Darius Bieber
02-25-2013, 11:04 AM
Mills is also a guy you just want to have on your team. He doesn't complain, is truly a team player, and is ecstatic about the team. He's always the first off the bench during a timeout to High-Five the team, he RUNS to pick up guys off the floor during the game (when two Spurs were on the floor, he RAN and picked both of them up before any other player even thought about it), and is just a morale booster. With all the other nut jobs around the League, Mills is a Team Chemistry Builder when it comes to statistics off the court.

Brazil
02-25-2013, 11:31 AM
Interesting insight. Many here believe that Patty will opt out of his contract this summer and look for a team that offers more potential playing time. I listen to his interviews and watch him with the team and believe that he'll stay.

I think Spurs are seeing Mills as the back up PG potentially capable to take over after TP retire and NDC as a strict SG doing the same with Manu. For me both have some major flaws to achieve that but they probably can develop. Spurs FO are clearly seeing potential in those 2, we will see.

capek
02-25-2013, 12:02 PM
The tl;dr of the matter is Mills has unequivocally struggled in close games and in first halves. Given his overall strong numbers, my humble opinion is that those struggles are notable and have played a role in his inability to nail down a role.

Yeppers, that's totally in line with what I've observed, which is why I've been rather vocal in backing De Colo. Of course, De Colo has underwhelmed more often then not, but I still mostly believe that his natural court vision is a skill that makes him worth developing this season. No one skill of Patty's, imo, is as potentially valuable as Nando's natural court vision, so unless Patty had been coming in all season, hitting his shots and providing instant offense, it's just less valuable to play him in favor of Nando. in my eyes, last night was literally the first good game Mills has played this season, where as Nando has had several good games. I'm still on the Nando bandwagon, but he's really going to have to start putting things together quickly for me to feel confident about him being the back up pg in the playoffs.

capek
02-25-2013, 12:04 PM
I think Spurs are seeing Mills as the back up PG potentially capable to take over after TP retire and NDC as a strict SG doing the same with Manu. For me both have some major flaws to achieve that but they probably can develop. Spurs FO are clearly seeing potential in those 2, we will see.

Honestly I don't understand how anyone could see Nando as a SG, when his best skill is his court vision, which is only exploited if he has the ball in his hands because he's playings PG.

Mel_13
02-25-2013, 12:05 PM
With Tony and Manu on the bench, Nando is the best choice for lead guard. With Tony on the bench and Manu in the game, I still like Mills as a backcourt partner for Manu.

Bruno
02-25-2013, 12:21 PM
I'm not sure the sample size is big enough to draw some kind of conclusions.

phxspurfan
02-25-2013, 12:23 PM
Agreed, sample size is too small. Jack was on the Spurs for more than a season before doing anything, and even then he was a turnover machine while he filled up the points column.

And the bench needs his towel waving. For the good of the team he must stay in that last seat.

pad300
02-25-2013, 12:47 PM
2. The Spurs plan for him is long term, his plan long term is to work his way into being TP's unquestionable backup and then take over one Tony hangs up his boots, he loves the Spurs and is a fiercely loyal person, so he would be happy to work on a fairly low (by NBA standards) wage to stay.



Not sure I believe this at all. IF anyone on the current roster is earmarked as Tony's heir, I suspect that it is Cojo. Mills will get a chance, if only because of his youth, but the Spurs have invested a lot in Cojo - and they continue to invest in him (picking up his rookie options...).

Brazil
02-25-2013, 12:52 PM
Honestly I don't understand how anyone could see Nando as a SG, when his best skill is his court vision, which is only exploited if he has the ball in his hands because he's playings PG.

I disagree with that. Manu is a perfect example of a SG who can exploit his court vision. NDC is not quick enough imho to stay in front of the best PGs of the league, I do believe he is more suited to play SG.

Solid D
02-25-2013, 02:00 PM
Other than extra effort trying to make steals, Patty has been a disappointment. He clanks too often on open perimeter shots.

Roger Freemason Jr.
02-25-2013, 02:20 PM
I don't think Patty has been a disappointment. He's a walking 20 point game, and we've seen him make some nifty passes. His court vision needs to develop, and his play-making. The Spurs can turn Patty into a fantastic back-up PG. He's still young, and is one of those players that needs extensive time to develop.

capek
02-25-2013, 02:48 PM
I disagree with that. Manu is a perfect example of a SG who can exploit his court vision. NDC is not quick enough imho to stay in front of the best PGs of the league, I do believe he is more suited to play SG.

I don't think that Manu is a fair comparison at all. Manu is a world class scorer, who also has great handles and all-time great BB IQ. Manu has a wealth of skills, whereas Nando's skill set is much more limited. Imo he's limited to being a distributor, which is why I can't really picture him playing any other position on this team than PG. Maybe he'll develop into a more well rounded player overtime, but I haven't seen anything that makes me think he could be a legitimate SG on this team.

Brazil
02-25-2013, 03:02 PM
I don't think that Manu is a fair comparison at all. Manu is a world class scorer, who also has great handles and all-time great BB IQ. Manu has a wealth of skills, whereas Nando's skill set is much more limited. Imo he's limited to being a distributor, which is why I can't really picture him playing any other position on this team than PG. Maybe he'll develop into a more well rounded player overtime, but I haven't seen anything that makes me think he could be a legitimate SG on this team.

The most likely outcome for him in the NBA is for me to play SG unless you have a perimeter D playing with him capable to defend the quickest PGs of the league and Nando defending the opponent SG. If you talk about the best compromise on both end of the floor SG seems to be his spot.

TJastal
02-25-2013, 04:14 PM
With Tony and Manu on the bench, Nando is the best choice for lead guard. With Tony on the bench and Manu in the game, I still like Mills as a backcourt partner for Manu.

This. Another thing going in Patty's favor is he is adept at finding shots, lots if them. And given he'll be in the same unit as jackson it means less shots for SJ which is a good thing for the spurs.

DesignatedT
02-25-2013, 04:34 PM
The insight about the Spurs having a long term goal for Patty is interesting. I do think he will stay next season as well and that Neal will be gone.

Obviously if Manu is going to be in the game with the 2nd unit it becomes easier to play both Patty and Gary. I think everyone sees that Patty is the better effort player as well as defender but for some reason the coaching staff wants to stick with Neal. Neal has hit some very big shots over the years so that has definitely helped him through this slump of his. I get very frustrated with Neal, especially defensively which makes me wish Patty would get more of an opportunity playing next to Manu but a part of me wonders if Neal has been hampered by some fairly serious injuries that have had an affect on his game. I know their were reports of a lower leg or achilles problem earlier in the year or something like that. He has been pretty damn awful this whole season though.

benfti
02-25-2013, 05:02 PM
The good news is, as this thread is evidence to the affirmative, we can legitimately argue the benefit of having a guy currently sitting at 12th on the depth chart getting more minutes. (Gee our depth is good)

therealtruth
02-25-2013, 07:52 PM
There's no reason Nando can't become the next Greivis Vasquez.

racm
02-25-2013, 07:56 PM
There's no reason Nando can't become the next Greivis Vasquez.

If he learns to shoot and always has the ball at the start of every possession, yes.

Establishing a pick and roll rapport with Splitter like how Vasquez established one with Robin Lopez should help.

Nero5
02-25-2013, 08:16 PM
The point about party's youth is a valid one and should be considered with his low cost and off court attributes. There is a considerable amount of potential and upside. The nature of a fan forum is often a short attention span and a chicken little approach to performance. The spurs have two years to measure progress with patty. In that time he will be an asset to other members of the team and to the club, these intangible factors do not show up on the score sheet but are absolutely beneficial. Look at how Portland felt about him and his role in working with rudy Fernandez and how well he did representing the club off court.
There are plenty of players with better stats but more corrosive personalities that would not fit this club as well IMHO.
Dare I say that Australian players and many other foreign nationals know exactly how privileged they are to play in the NBA and have little in the sense of entitlement.

DanAu
02-25-2013, 08:31 PM
Given the context of this thread and the long term goals mentioned, I find it VERY interesting to see pop's comments about Tony:"He's really matured as a player," Popovich said of Parker. "He used to just be a scoring point guard and didn't realize there was a whole 'nother world out there, and now he plays a complete game on both ends of the court."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-bolch-nba-spurs-20130224,0,1839560.story

Seems to me that they KNOW Mills can be a scoring PG, that's not an issue. Seems also that they want him to learn to be that all-round player that Tony is NOW, not like he was at the start of his career, trying not to repeat history.

The question is if Mills is good enough to be what the Spurs want him to be and if he grows into that player or not.

wildbill2u
02-25-2013, 08:45 PM
DeColo is going to have to hone that 'court vision' so that he makes the right decision with the ball instead of trying some pinpoint pass to an unsuspecting teammate. He's causing some needless TOs when he does that, especially when he's got a good shot for himself after he's worked his way inside that he ought to take.

Meanwhile, he really isn't a good enough shooter to make it as a 2. Maybe Chip can develop his shooting skills and mechanics, but the decision making will be the key.

TD 21
02-25-2013, 11:43 PM
I'm not sure the sample size is big enough to draw some kind of conclusions.

Agreed. It's probably mostly, if not entirely, attributable to law of averages. The reality is, if he had shot even decently in non garbage time minutes, he'd be one of the best shooters in the league, because even having not done so, his overall percentages are still good.

On this team, he's more than likely never going to be anything more than a deep bench player, but I don't buy for a second that he couldn't be a primary backup elsewhere. Off the top: Cavaliers, Mavericks, Rockets, Lakers, Grizzlies, Knicks, Hornets, 76ers, Suns, Trail Blazers, Raptors and Wizards, are all teams he'd have at least a legit shot at being the primary backup on.

z0sa
02-26-2013, 12:02 AM
Mills is Mills is Mills. Hitting shots consistently in the guts of the game is asking a lot of him, IMHO.

TVI
02-26-2013, 01:04 AM
I hope I can shed some light on this a bit.
Awesome read. I like Patty, and I hope he can gain the confidence of the FO. He reminds me a little of Damon Stoudamire.

Ice009
02-26-2013, 08:56 AM
I thought this was the very reason why Patrick hasn't broken into the rotation. I thought most people saw the same thing. Every time that he got an opportunity, he kept missing most of his shots when the game was up for grabs.

ace3g
02-26-2013, 07:29 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEEfslbCYAADefU.jpg:large

Mugen
02-26-2013, 07:37 PM
:lol Patty is f'n great tbh.

Joyrider
02-26-2013, 07:37 PM
:rollin

Retire Mills jersey already. A towel/big head night NEEDS to happen in the playoffs.

DMC
02-26-2013, 07:48 PM
Reasonable point but: 1) Obviously it's going to be flawed to some degree since I used general cutoffs 2) I was aiming at making a general point and it's clear that generally it's more important to shoot well in close games than it is to shoot well when the score isn't close -- we could run a leverage report and those numbers would agree with that basic assessment 3) We're dealing with a small sample size as it is; hacking it further would likely produce diminishing returns

The tl;dr of the matter is Mills has unequivocally struggled in close games and in first halves. Given his overall strong numbers, my humble opinion is that those struggles are notable and have played a role in his inability to nail down a role.

This is fundamentally flawed. If a team, which is comprised of individual percentage shooters, keeps it close, they are not only hitting shots (may not be shooting well) but playing defense adequately as well. It's not more important to shoot well in a close game. You cannot close a gap if you shoot poorly, but you can overcome poor shooting by defense in a close game and still win.

That doesn't mean your initial post isn't accurate. You cannot argue with the stats and in context they tell the story. Of course, someone here will say it's luck and mention Gauss, but we know it's a mind set.

TJastal
02-27-2013, 09:39 AM
With Mills it appears to be a confidence issue only. That can be remedied by Pop showing confidence in him by giving him the job to win or lose and stop the musical chair approach to the backup pg position.