View Full Version : Has TP ever not been neutralized by a defensive specialist in the playoffs?
in2deep
02-28-2013, 07:14 PM
Serious question. I can't think of any series where this happened since TP became THE MAN, which is what? 2008?
I wouldn't know if there is a TP stopper as he is the fastest player in the league. Altough he has had series in which for some reason goes cold. I'd say the best TP stopper is sometimes TP. Off the top of my mind: last year series against OKC, 2011 vs. Memphis.
benstanfield
02-28-2013, 07:49 PM
TP playing badly always seems to coincide with the team playing badly, at least since he's been THE MAN. Either his play affects the whole team that much, or he can't play well if his teammates aren't hitting shots or opening up driving lanes.
hater
02-28-2013, 07:56 PM
Sefalosha, Conley exposed TP last couple of years. What makes you think this year will be any different?
in2deep
02-28-2013, 07:58 PM
TP playing badly always seems to coincide with the team playing badly, at least since he's been THE MAN. Either his play affects the whole team that much, or he can't play well if his teammates aren't hitting shots or opening up driving lanes.
right but will TP ever get over the hump and carry his team to playoff victory as a leader. My point was are there any hopes or signs of this year being any different?
pgardn
02-28-2013, 08:23 PM
right but will TP ever get over the hump and carry his team to playoff victory as a leader. My point was are there any hopes or signs of this year being any different?
He carried the team when we lost to Dallas 4-1 first round. Others gotta come along. And this year we have players that can. Manu's lack of productivity has been a big problem last two years in the playoffs. Splitter and Leonard need to step up and use their youth to the fullest extent. We are a better TEAM. It's bigger than Parker although beating him up is productive.
Pauleta14
02-28-2013, 08:26 PM
I wouldn't know if there is a TP stopper as he is the fastest player in the league. Altough he has had series in which for some reason goes cold. I'd say the best TP stopper is sometimes TP. Off the top of my mind: last year series against OKC, 2011 vs. Memphis.
This.
letmk
02-28-2013, 08:40 PM
"Neutralized" does not necessarily mean that his own statistics is THAT bad. I don't have Tony's past playoff statistics on hand. But let's just use last night as an example. If you look at box score only, his statistics seems okay. But as the PG and the best player in the team, his impact is much more than his score and assist. Since the decline of Tim and Manu, he is the first, second and third engine of the team.
Take his 7.6 apg as an example, his impact on offense may double or even triple that number. The offense starts from his penetration, and although other players get the assists by passing to the third/fourth player, but it's initiated by Tony.
So back to last night, his statistics seems okay. But when the game became close and he was called to lead the team, he was not able to break down the defense like he did the last three months. It's not just one missed shot or one turnover. It's that you can see he cannot shake off the defender as he likes. And Tim, Splitter and others had to set screens for him again and again to no avail.
Plus, statistics can only tell the story that much. Take Many as an example, his overall PER for this season is not bad at all. But no sane fans would think that Manu is the old Manu.
cd021
02-28-2013, 10:18 PM
right but will TP ever get over the hump and carry his team to playoff victory as a leader. My point was are there any hopes or signs of this year being any different?
Best season of his career by far. We have 6 players averaging at least 9.5 points and a top 5 Offensive and Defensive...do i need to go on?
cd021
02-28-2013, 10:19 PM
Marion couldn't stop him in 05' playoffs.
therealtruth
02-28-2013, 10:41 PM
Marion couldn't stop him in 05' playoffs.
He also had TD to bail him out. Whenever TD can't bail him is when he struggles.
Libri
02-28-2013, 11:21 PM
No because Bruce was with the Spurs.
mathbzh
03-01-2013, 12:41 AM
The funny thing is Parker doesn't get credit when he carry the team to a 10-0 playoffs run (or play a big role in at least one title). "It was only utah", "Paul was injured", "Daniel Gibson?"
But if we lose... It is all his fault
mathbzh
03-01-2013, 12:44 AM
By the way, I remember Lebron being "neutralized" by Mike Pietrus ( he is not exactly Bowen) in the playoffs.
Why Parker should be able to do what Lebron couldn't?
probably the same answer as "has ginobili ever been fully healthy in the playoffs?" in the same time period.
Sean Cagney
03-01-2013, 02:50 AM
I wouldn't know if there is a TP stopper as he is the fastest player in the league. Altough he has had series in which for some reason goes cold. I'd say the best TP stopper is sometimes TP. Off the top of my mind: last year series against OKC, 2011 vs. Memphis.
He would meet bigger guards and freeze before that! 03 Marbury he had to sit some late and turned puss, 03 Kidd! 05 Billups! He froze up and ran like a girl then a few times! They had to use Barry late and sit him in quarters late in games, so him dissapearing is not new and has been there. He used to get scared of bigger guards who intimidated him, now it's just D players who are bigger who scare him.
Man In Black
03-01-2013, 02:55 AM
in 07 Cavs were hoping that Larry Hughes could stop TP... he could not.
TheGoldStandard
03-01-2013, 02:59 AM
TP is only as good as his supporting cast. He can have a big game but he's not going to have 4 quarters he's just not built that way. He either goes off early and gets tired by the 4th or he's cold and then gets hot but it's playing catch up. In order for the Spurs to be successful Danny Green, Kawhi Leonard, Stephen Jackson and Manu will have to show up in the playoffs. If Gary Neal is consistent and we all know Pop loves throwing Bonner out there at the worst possible time, but if he can actually hit some open 3 pointers in the post season they have a great chance. I mean seriously though, Memphis brings in Zach Randolph and Pop counters with Matt Bonner.
He would meet bigger guards and freeze before that! 03 Marbury he had to sit some late and turned puss, 03 Kidd! 05 Billups! He froze up and ran like a girl then a few times! They had to use Barry late and sit him in quarters late in games, so him dissapearing is not new and has been there. He used to get scared of bigger guards who intimidated him, now it's just D players who are bigger who scare him.
Mostly because he had no jump shot back then to keep defenses honest.
To the people saying "but Sefolosha exposed him in the WCF!" LeBron was shut down by Bowen. I'm not saying that TP should be compared to LeBron because the latter is bigger, more athletic, and can score from beyond the arc but there's a reason guys like Sefolosha are known as defensive stoppers.
cheguevara
03-01-2013, 04:25 AM
Come on lebron overcame those issues and is now defending champ. Will parker ever go to the next level?
hater
03-01-2013, 08:11 AM
GMAFB
this bullshit that TP got a jumpshot now is all BS
he's still a PG that needs to hold the ball and thus, he cannot be free to take those precious jumpshots he's supposed to be so good at. It's a lose lose situation. He's not fast enough to beat everyone, plus he's small and weak to get his own shot. how the fuck he's supposed to be effective now that he has a shot then?
dbestpro
03-01-2013, 09:10 AM
Reading this thread made me feel like I fell into an alternate universe and the series with OKC where TP was sut down by Sefolosha did not happen.
timaios
03-01-2013, 09:47 AM
Reading this thread made me feel like I fell into an alternate universe and the series with OKC where TP was sut down by Sefolosha did not happen.
In game 6 vs OKC Parker scored 29 points with 12 ast and the Spurs lost the game anyway, Sefolosha is a great defender and is a problem at times for Parker but "shut down" or "neutralized" are terms a little extreme. What is supposed to do Parker when he is double teamed ? Okc did that a lot.
I said it a hundred times, the Spurs scored enough points to win the series against OKC, the problem was the defense.
And lol at overreacting after a defeat against the Suns. The Spurs played sleepwalking the entire game.
Anyway, Lebron is on a Michael Jordan level right now... So there's like absolutely no chances to win the title this year.
Duncan & Ginobili are too old to win against the young stars of the league.
Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka can play 48 min/game.
Lebron, Wade and Bosh can play 48 min/game.
The big 3 can't.
I am just enjoying the last years (months ?) of the big 3 and if there is a miracle at the end of the season, it's fantastic... If not, well, it was a nice journey...
Darius McCrary
03-01-2013, 10:04 AM
in 07 Cavs were hoping that Larry Hughes could stop TP... he could not.
Which always makes me wonder why they didn't put Lebron on Parker that series.
Guess Mike Smith was doing us a solid.
MR-Clutch
03-01-2013, 10:09 AM
His statistics in the first half of game 6 were epic, but we all know what happen the second half.
timaios
03-01-2013, 10:12 AM
Which always makes me wonder why they didn't put Lebron on Parker that series.
Guess Mike Smith was doing us a solid.
They did put Lebron on Parker !
timaios
03-01-2013, 10:15 AM
His statistics in the first half of game 6 were epic, but we all know what happen the second half.
Yes, OKC Scored 59 points !!! You can't win a championship when you let the opposite team score 59 points in the 2nd half !
Hoops Czar
03-01-2013, 10:35 AM
Best season a top 5 Offensive and Defensive...do i need to go on? So does OKC so yes, you can stop right there.
cd021
03-01-2013, 11:02 PM
He also had TD to bail him out. Whenever TD can't bail him is when he struggles.
Parker and Manu drove the Spurs in that series. By leading the fastbreak (often 1-3) he forced Phoenix to adjust Marion on Parker instead of Duncan who would have had to guard the 3pt line on defense. Instead he got Amare and abused him .
The Dallas series in 09' when Parker scored 29.5 a game in the 5 game series while Duncan posted a respectable 19pts per game. I think I poked holes in that logic.
cd021
03-01-2013, 11:13 PM
So does OKC so yes, you can stop right there.
We had the 11th best defense last season 3rd this season. Thats obviously different. +Kawhi, Splitter & Green all have played much larger roles this season as opposed to last season. Duncan is having a career year defensively so are legit. imo.
superjames1992
03-01-2013, 11:46 PM
He might be neutralized by his own ankle this year, tbh.
The issue is the spacing (or lack there of) in the playoffs. When Bonner and last year Diaw became ineffective as long ball threats, it helped the opposing team focus on TP's kick and drives. Couldn't do that in the Horry days.
Parker and Manu drove the Spurs in that series. By leading the fastbreak (often 1-3) he forced Phoenix to adjust Marion on Parker instead of Duncan who would have had to guard the 3pt line on defense. Instead he got Amare and abused him .
The Dallas series in 09' when Parker scored 29.5 a game in the 5 game series while Duncan posted a respectable 19pts per game. I think I poked holes in that logic.
Lost that series 1-4 though which is what's important (though tbf Manu was out for the season).
100%duncan
03-02-2013, 06:52 AM
The funny thing is Parker doesn't get credit when he carry the team to a 10-0 playoffs run (or play a big role in at least one title). "It was only utah", "Paul was injured", "Daniel Gibson?"
But if we lose... It is all his fault
kaji157
03-02-2013, 06:55 PM
He usually is neutralised by falling in love with his midrange game.
cd021
03-02-2013, 09:49 PM
Lost that series 1-4 though which is what's important (though tbf Manu was out for the season).
I know but the point i'm going for is that he out played Duncan and carried the Spurs in the playoffs. We had no chance in that series without Manu. But his play gave us a chance to do something.
cd021
03-02-2013, 09:49 PM
He usually is neutralised by falling in love with his midrange game.
Which he hits at a very high clip. NBA.com/stats my friend.
cd021
03-02-2013, 09:53 PM
The issue is the spacing (or lack there of) in the playoffs. When Bonner and last year Diaw became ineffective as long ball threats, it helped the opposing team focus on TP's kick and drives. Couldn't do that in the Horry days.
Diaw doesn't really compare to Horry and Bonner as stretch 4's. Bonner & Horry almost shot exclusively behind the arc while Diaw picks his spots and takes high percentage looks from behind the arc. He only takes like 1 .3 per game but hits them at at 47% clip (as a spur dating back to last season) he is much more of an player than a specialist. Diaw can also attack the rim off the dribble and is a better passer than both. I think that he could have a big impact on the Spurs playoff success as a floor spacer .imo.
Brunodf
03-02-2013, 10:24 PM
Which he hits at a very high clip. NBA.com/stats my friend.
This season...
cd021
03-03-2013, 01:59 AM
This season...
I meant this season. he's above average in several area's considered to be mid range.
therealtruth
03-03-2013, 04:16 AM
I know but the point i'm going for is that he out played Duncan and carried the Spurs in the playoffs. We had no chance in that series without Manu. But his play gave us a chance to do something.
TP's best individual playoff series by far but he just didn't have the stamina to close the games.
cd021
03-03-2013, 02:29 PM
TP's best individual playoff series by far but he just didn't have the stamina to close the games.
True. When you score 32 in the first half in like 21 minutes you can't really blame him for being that tired.
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