Cory Joseph is the second best point guard on the Spurs

[Interrohater]

Damian Lillard will be a big test of Joseph's defensive chops before Westbrook comes to town.

As it is the Spurs starting 5 of Joseph/Green/Leonard/Duncan/Splitter has a 72.4 Defensive Rating in only 23 minutes. :wow

That's incredible. It'll even out the more they play, but that's still nice to see

[Pasta Batman]

I know the idea will sound outrageous to most people including Chinook lol, but anyways, the big question at this point isn't if Corey if the best backup PG since he's the only real one. The question to me is should he get minutes at the 2 when Tp comes back at the expense of a shacky defender with no off the dribble game (exactly Corey's strength) called Danny Green? The sample size is too small to be sure about his D tbh but I think I'd go with a TP Manu Corey 3 guards rotation in the POs. Of course it won't happen, this year at least unless Green gets injured and even then it's a long shot, but just saying.

It's all about matchups, depending on what the opposing guards can do. That and foul trouble. however, if Pop needs a defender, he could go with guard sets like Parker/Cory. Or Manu/CJ (if TP needs rest). This is CJ's time to tell Pop he can handle it. It's his possible "Neal" moment, taking away minutes that Neal probably would play (the majority of the time).

[therealtruth]

Damian Lillard will be a big test of Joseph's defensive chops before Westbrook comes to town.

As it is the Spurs starting 5 of Joseph/Green/Leonard/Duncan/Splitter has a 72.4 Defensive Rating in only 23 minutes. :wow

Not to surprising. Having length on the perimeter and two seven footers inside can really help your defense.

[therealtruth]

It's all about matchups, depending on what the opposing guards can do. That and foul trouble. however, if Pop needs a defender, he could go with guard sets like Parker/Cory. Or Manu/CJ (if TP needs rest). This is CJ's time to tell Pop he can handle it. It's his possible "Neal" moment, taking away minutes that Neal probably would play (the majority of the time).

To me Neal is somewhat like Bonner. He bails us out by hitting shots when our defense isn't good enough. We need our defense to be good enough to not need Neal in the rotation.

[spurraider21]

To me Neal is somewhat like Bonner. He bails us out by hitting shots when our defense isn't good enough. We need our defense to be good enough to not need Neal in the rotation.
what's infuriating about Neal/Mills/Bonner is that they are for the most part utterly useless with their 3 ball doesn't fall. Neal has his moments where he attacks and hits floaters. Bonner has his moments were he actually competes on D. Mills is always pushing tempo. But realistically speaking, they are hurting the team if they aren't shooting great. Manu for example, can do all sorts of things if his 3's aren't falling. Awesome on D, great pick and roll game, etc. Green can be an absolute pest on D.

Guys like CoJo and De Colo can still be effective on without being on fire from long range. Nando can still create pretty well and runs the show. His defense is hit or miss. CoJo is a good Vaughn-esque offensively player with what looks to be better shooting/scoring ability. His D has potential to be nasty. This is why i've been much more in favor of Nando running the backup gig (prior to CoJo's callup)

If Neal or Mills is out there I think Manu on the floor is a must tbh.

[Pasta Batman]

Not to surprising. Having length on the perimeter and two seven footers inside can really help your defense.

Along with solid defenders at the guards/wings.


To me Neal is somewhat like Bonner. He bails us out by hitting shots when our defense isn't good enough. We need our defense to be good enough to not need Neal in the rotation.

In some ways. For me, he's more of a situational guy like that or Kerr. But then he has massive problems against teams like OKC/Clippers which really hurts. Bonner's D actually isn't too bad. I feel like when Neal struggles, he just makes it worse by trying too hard at times.

[Pasta Batman]

what's infuriating about Neal/Mills/Bonner is that they are for the most part utterly useless with their 3 ball doesn't fall. Neal has his moments where he attacks and hits floaters. Bonner has his moments were he actually competes on D. Mills is always pushing tempo. But realistically speaking, they are hurting the team if they aren't shooting great. Manu for example, can do all sorts of things if his 3's aren't falling. Awesome on D, great pick and roll game, etc. Green can be an absolute pest on D.

Guys like CoJo and De Colo can still be effective on without being on fire from long range. Nando can still create pretty well and runs the show. His defense is hit or miss. CoJo is a good Vaughn-esque offensively player with what looks to be better shooting/scoring ability. His D has potential to be nasty. This is why i've been much more in favor of Nando running the backup gig (prior to CoJo's callup)

If Neal or Mills is out there I think Manu on the floor is a must tbh.

Indeed. It's how i feel about it.

[ace3g]

18 min vs OKC, no TOs

[Ice009]

It's gotta be between Cory and Neal for the backup spot. I really have no idea who Pop will go with. Neal still has value if he is on his game.

Mills' defense in that Portland game was horrible and some of his lapses occurred at times when Portland went on big runs. He's a very streaky shooter too, and his streaks hardly ever seem to go on when the game is on the line. I've lost confidence in Mills, he's going to have to play much better for me to regain it in him. His PG skills suck, his handles are average too. I'm very surprised if the Spurs envision him as the backup PG of the future like another poster mentioned a week or two ago.

Neal is streaky too, but he can hit when the game in on the line as he has proved it time and time again.

Why does Cory get so few minutes? 20 minutes is what he seems to be averaging since he has been starting. I don't get it. Tonight I understand it, but the last few games he should have gotten a lot more court time.

[outmap]

Good defense + Zero TO = Primary back-up to TP.

[Chinook]

The way Pop talks about him makes me think he's the favorite for the job right now. In the post-game press conference, he called Joseph, "solid." I think "solid" is what he's been looking for from his backup point for the entire season.

[playblair]

The way Pop talks about him makes me think he's the favorite for the job right now. In the post-game press conference, he called Joseph, "solid." I think "solid" is what he's been looking for from his backup point for the entire season.


There’s some guys … they can dribble, can’t shoot. They can shoot, can’t dribble. Not really good passers or non-willing passers. Cory Joseph is a solid passer, solid shooter, solid defender, great teammate. He’s dependable.” - Kelvin Sampson

[timtonymanu]

It's going to Gary Neal. When Parker comes back, I expect Pop to give Cory Joseph the George Hill rookie treatment.

[Chinook]

It's going to Gary Neal. When Parker comes back, I expect Pop to give Cory Joseph the George Hill rookie treatment.

He did that last year. He may well give Joseph the Hill sophomore treatment.

[Chinook]

"There’s some guys … they can dribble, can’t shoot. They can shoot, can’t dribble. Not really good passers or non-willing passers. Cory Joseph is a solid passer, solid shooter, solid defender, great teammate. He’s dependable.”- Kelvin Sampson

Agreed. Nice find.

[silverblackfan]

I liked how Joseph handled himself against OKC. Very solid game, great defense and smart plays. Kept his head and playing against Westbrook like he was in his element.
Hoping that he gets the job and allow Neal to come off and hit shots when Manu is off his game.

[hater]

bump :lmao

Barea taking a shit on Spurs second best point guard :lol :lol :lol

[TheGoldStandard]

Barea is deceptive because of his size but he can ball, much like he did in 2011 against the Lakers and The Heat in the Finals

[Obstructed_View]

bump :lmao

Barea taking a shit on Spurs second best point guard :lol :lol :lol

Joseph was -1, and Manu was -30. Who got shit on again?

[Darius McCrary]

I saw CJ defend a Barea drive and reject him at the rim.

I don't think CJ gets the worse end on defense very often, but he needs to work in that offense.

[AFBlue]

I saw him get caught ball-watching and sagging off Barea a couple times, but his on-ball defense was solid. It was probably his first sub-par outing, but no other player stole the spotlight.

It's still his to lose I think, but it's a low bar tbh.

[Obstructed_View]

If Cory Joseph starts a game and scores in double digits, the Spurs lose big.

[Pasta Batman]

bump :lmao

Barea taking a shit on Spurs second best point guard :lol :lol :lol

Yeah because a game without Duncan and Kawhi in it won't mean a significant drop in defense (in this case) and offense on a brutal b2b.


If Cory Joseph starts a game and scores in double digits, the Spurs lose big.

It's a bad sign because that means the main options are not in the game/foul trouble.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

nigga looked good playing against d-leaguer's. we all got caught in the hype.

[PlayNando]

Not timvp's proudest moment, tbh.............

[playbonner15]

timvp with the rare bads :lol

[Obstructed_View]

In March of this year, it was a very true statement. If Cory Joseph isn't on this team, Patty Mills probably doesn't show up in shape in September.

[wildbill2u]

A PG with no assists in the game when given a chance to be the main backup PG is not going to make it in this league. He blew his opportunity big time.

[TheCerebral1]

Which explains why the Spurs could use an upgrade as their primary backup to Parker.

[jeebus]

timvp with the rare bads :lol
not really. he's brought the bads quite often when it comes to Cory Joseph.

[look_at_g_shred]

Wasn't this right after Tony went down with the ankle injury. I remember quite a few of us including myself who were rooting for Cory, and he his performance while tony was out was decent.

[Juggity]

Cory Joseph was definitely promising last year. People seem to have forgotten that.

He's shown almost nothing this year, though.

[cd021]

Not timvp's proudest moment, tbh.............

+1

[Mikeanaro]

Fuck Cody, we are like 30 games and it seems dude did nothing to improve his game in the offseason.
We have no time to improve Ayres or Josef so I hope Pop never use them more than 2 minutes per game.

[DapDaGenius]

Fuck Cody, we are like 30 games and it seems dude did nothing to improve his game in the offseason.
We have no time to improve Ayres or Josef so I hope Pop never use them more than 2 minutes per game.

Who is Cody Josef?

[timtonymanu]

To be fair, Patty Mills was terrible last year. The weight loss helped him a lot.

I actually preferred Nando last year to be the backup PG but I guess he wasn't happy with his minutes.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Joseph is still young and developing. I'm glad you all have written him off already.

[skulls138]

Against the Lakers in the playoffs, Joseph just went off for that little bit. Sure it was the Lakers but it was like a different person. Id like to see him find that Corey Joseph. Maybe Pops needs to unleash him.

[HarlemHeat37]

timvp with the rare bads :lol

:lol @ rare, tbh..

[Boomersgold]

To be fair, Patty Mills was terrible last year. The weight loss helped him a lot.

I actually preferred Nando last year to be the backup PG but I guess he wasn't happy with his minutes.
Actually, the Spurs scored the most points per 100 possessions when Patty was on the floor with Manu (another reference to timvp's pair analysis) so I wouldn't say he was terrible. The only thing he's really improved from last season is his defence.

[timtonymanu]

Actually, the Spurs scored the most points per 100 possessions when Patty was on the floor with Manu (another reference to timvp's pair analysis) so I wouldn't say he was terrible. The only thing he's really improved from last season is his defence.

Yeah terrible was probably the wrong term. More like disappointing after the year he had in the lockout and the 2012 Olympics. He didn't really contribute last year when he was put as a starter but it also could be because Pop was inconsistent with the PG lineups last year. The way Patty has played this season was what I wanted from him last year.

[jeebus]

Yeah terrible was probably the wrong term. More like disappointing after the year he had in the lockout and the 2012 Olympics. He didn't really contribute last year when he was put as a starter but it also could be because Pop was inconsistent with the PG lineups last year. The way Patty has played this season was what I wanted from him last year.
Also Pop had a raging hard on for putting Neal in at point and that didn't help things.

[timtonymanu]

rofl totally forgot Gary Neal was backup point tbh. Disgusting times.

[PlayNando]

Also Pop had a raging hard on for putting Neal in at point and that didn't help things.
fk that chucker, hero mfer.

[jeebus]

rofl totally forgot Gary Neal was backup point tbh. Disgusting times.
"Neal I'm gonna put you in the game. If you encounter any sort of defense, do what you do best: pick up your dribble at half court and/or turn it over."

[timtonymanu]

"Neal I'm gonna put you in the game. If you encounter any sort of defense, do what you do best: pick up your dribble at half court and/or turn it over."

Would you rather have Neal or Errors? :lol

[jeebus]

Would you rather have Neal or Errors? :lol
Neal. At least he was a rapist while Errors is the one getting raped on the court every single night.

[NASpurs]

:lmao yeah right

[PlayNando]

2 assists combined in 2 games for this "point guard". :lol

[Stabula]

:lol

[TJastal]

Actually, the Spurs scored the most points per 100 possessions when Patty was on the floor with Manu (another reference to timvp's pair analysis) so I wouldn't say he was terrible. The only thing he's really improved from last season is his defence.

Facts, shmacts.

[DPG21920]

I like CJ. I agree 100% with Harlem that his aggression in annoying and what keeps him from being an NBA player. He's not a good NBA player as-is, but if he would just constantly play with aggression and not like such a timid beta, he could definitely be serviceable all around.

[TJastal]

I'm not sure why Pop continues to waste minutes on Coblow over Patty or even Nando for that matter. He should be the 4th string point guard at this point according to his performances. Once again, it appears Pop plays guys that have no business playing in order to try to save face.

[TJastal]

He's not a good NBA player as-is, but

That's all anyone really needs to know.

[DPG21920]

That is short-sighted. Plenty of players need time to develop. Especially on a championship caliber team. It's not easy being a young player on a team that wins.

[TJastal]

That is short-sighted. Plenty of players need time to develop. Especially on a championship caliber team. It's not easy being a young player on a team that wins.

Well he's certainly going to get that time. He's signed through next year and Pop loves the shit out of the guy. He'll get the time to develop at the expense of everyone who is showing signs of actually contributing.

[superbigtime]

corey joseph is a worthless mongrel. why on earth is pop playing him

[aintjustthem]

Cojo making the top 4 play, got to be proud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrpY96zt4zY

[spurraider21]

:lol

[dabom]

Does anyone actually watch the spurs?

[timtonymanu]

timvp called it. :toast

Right behind MVPatty.

[weeks]

Cojo making the top 4 play, got to be proud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrpY96zt4zY
Lol wtf? Fucking nba

[RD2191]

timvp called it. :toast

Right behind MVPatty.
Nigga bailed. I've always been cojo's biggest supporter.

[NASpurs]

Cojo making the top 4 play, got to be proud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrpY96zt4zY

:lmao

[Diego20]

Cojo making the top 4 play, got to be proud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrpY96zt4zY

lol the top 2 play is awful, that Rubio's pass is overrated.