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The Batman
03-12-2013, 09:38 AM
How the fuck do you just throw away a future superstar like that?
I don't know, call Presti and ask him. The answer will have something to do will salary cap and luxury taxes.
Double-Up
03-12-2013, 10:02 AM
It worked out for both teams...I don't give a fuck as to why but I'm glad we got Harden for scrubs.
This is something the Lakers never have to deal with. They can sign as many players as they want salary cap be damned while other teams have to get rid of star players after two years unless everyone agrees to take less. I mean right now they have Howard, Kobe, Nash, Ron Ron all paying them big money.
I have nothing against the haves and have not's, just don't sell me that the league is on a level playing field...im talking to you stern.
Spurs9
03-12-2013, 10:10 AM
Because of a thing called Salary caps brah
The Batman
03-12-2013, 10:13 AM
It worked out for both teams...I don't give a fuck as to why but I'm glad we got Harden for scrubs.
It didn't work out for OKC and you will see why in the playoffs. Martin = choker.
The Batman
03-12-2013, 10:14 AM
Because of a thing called Salary caps brah
I'm talking about throwing him away for Martin and acting like Martin is a suitable replacement.
I'm talking about throwing him away for Martin and acting like Martin is a suitable replacement.
He's as suitable as you're gonna get in that situation. Obviously, OKC would be better with Harden.
I don't know, call Presti and ask him. The answer will have something to do will salary cap and luxury taxes.
It all ended, that Presti is a moron. He kept Westbrick, Abaka and Porkins over Harden. They could have sent Porkins + pick to any team with salary space, and sign Kenyon Martin or Birdman to play at C.
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03-12-2013, 10:46 AM
Frankly, I didn't think Harden was the goods.
It all ended, that Presti is a moron. He kept Westbrick, Abaka and Porkins over Harden. They could have sent Porkins + pick to any team with salary space, and sign Kenyon Martin or Birdman to play at C.
Sounds good against the likes of Miami, but how does OKC stop SA with Kenyon Martin or Birdmoron at C?
DAF86
03-12-2013, 10:47 AM
Sounds good against the likes of Miami, but how does OKC stop SA with Kenyon Martin or Birdmoron at C?
A bit better than with Perkins, equal at worst.
The Batman
03-12-2013, 10:47 AM
Sounds good against the likes of Miami, but how does OKC stop SA with Kenyon Martin or Birdmoron at C?
How does OKC stop SA without Harden? Harden came up big against SA last year .
DUNCANownsKOBE
03-12-2013, 10:53 AM
It all ended, that Presti is a moron. He kept Westbrick, Abaka and Porkins over Harden. They could have sent Porkins + pick to any team with salary space, and sign Kenyon Martin or Birdman to play at C.
And if no team was willing to take Perkins then he could have simply been amnestied and finding a big body who's mediocre at rebounding and does nothing on offense to play 15-20 MPG would not have been hard. The small ball lineup of Westbrook - Harden - Sefolosha - Durant - Perkins would have been close to the matchup nightmare Miami's Chalmers - Wade - Battier/Allen - Lebron - Bosh lineup is.
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03-12-2013, 10:55 AM
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Good mornin', honeybun.
DUNCANownsKOBE
03-12-2013, 10:55 AM
Good mornin', honeybun.
hai
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03-12-2013, 10:58 AM
hai
I'll accept your apology for spearheading my ouster whenever you're ready.
DUNCANownsKOBE
03-12-2013, 10:58 AM
I'll accept your apology for spearheading my ouster whenever you're ready.
Don't hold your breath
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03-12-2013, 11:09 AM
Don't hold your breath
Bend over. I'll hold my fuckin' breath.
UNCLE-DREW
03-12-2013, 11:14 AM
Sounds good against the likes of Miami, but how does OKC stop SA with Kenyon Martin or Birdmoron at C?
the same way miami is stopping the leaque with bird"moron"
19-1 rings a bell ? xD
the same way miami is stopping the leaque with bird"moron"
19-1 rings a bell ? xD
I said SA, not "the league".
UNCLE-DREW
03-12-2013, 11:18 AM
I said SA, not "the league".
isn't SA included in the leaque ? :rollin
td4mvp2k
03-12-2013, 12:10 PM
It worked out for both teams...I don't give a fuck as to why but I'm glad we got Harden for scrubs.
:lol
benefactor
03-12-2013, 12:11 PM
I don't know, call Presti and ask him. The answer will have something to do will salary cap and luxury taxes.
You re-sign Harden at the max and amnesty Perkins. Problem solved.
Sounds good against the likes of Miami, but how does OKC stop SA with Kenyon Martin or Birdmoron at C?
This is a pretty intellectually dishonest take. Losing Harden is much, much bigger from a match up standpoint than losing Perkins against any team. Would Perkins defend Duncan better in the post...sure...but don't act like they had to keep Perkins solely for this reason. Hell, they could move Collison to the starting lineup and sign Bird and Martin and they would have been fine as long as Harden was still on the team.
There is no slicing the Harden trade in any way that will make it look like something other than what it is...an extraordinarily stupid decision.
td4mvp2k
03-12-2013, 12:28 PM
There is no slicing the Harden trade in any way that will make it look like something other than what it is...an extraordinarily stupid decision.
Its :lol that this is the same guy that came from the Spurs and the school of the great RC with that extraordinarily stupid decision.
Sounds good against the likes of Miami, but how does OKC stop SA with Kenyon Martin or Birdmoron at C?
When you have Harde, Westbrick, Durant and Abaka, you simply dont watch over on SA and Splitter/Duncan duo.
Spurs9
03-12-2013, 01:20 PM
It all ended, that Presti is a moron. He kept Westbrick, Abaka and Porkins over Harden. They could have sent Porkins + pick to any team with salary space, and sign Kenyon Martin or Birdman to play at C.
They wouldn't be much different either way, they obviously can't keep all of them. If it was Harden instead of Westbrook, they would be the same or worse. I hate Frogger as much as anyone, but he can score and brings energy when hes not chucking or being a mental midget. Getting rid of Abaka or Porkins probably wouldn't have shed enough salary, so its either Ninja Turtle or Osama who goes. KD would rather keep his boy Frogger than Harden.
Granted Thunder did own us 4 games in a row, where I considered them about at a peak with the players they had. Most of our bench didn't show us, including most of the roster outside the big 3 in those games. We continue to develop our guys with Splitter looking like a completely different player this year and bringing the force downlow with TD. All the other guys have made nice strides so I like our chances with any team this year assuming we are healthy. You can lol at us getting owned by Portland but we still have a deep team and the number one record. :flag:
Raven
03-12-2013, 01:23 PM
You re-sign Harden at the max and amnesty Perkins. Problem solved.
This is a pretty intellectually dishonest take. Losing Harden is much, much bigger from a match up standpoint than losing Perkins against any team. Would Perkins defend Duncan better in the post...sure...but don't act like they had to keep Perkins solely for this reason. Hell, they could move Collison to the starting lineup and sign Bird and Martin and they would have been fine as long as Harden was still on the team.
There is no slicing the Harden trade in any way that will make it look like something other than what it is...an extraordinarily stupid decision.
that's basically what they had to do, period.
djohn2oo8
03-12-2013, 01:35 PM
They wouldn't be much different either way, they obviously can't keep all of them. If it was Harden instead of Westbrook, they would be the same or worse. I hate Frogger as much as anyone, but he can score and brings energy when hes not chucking or being a mental midget. Getting rid of Abaka or Porkins probably wouldn't have shed enough salary, so its either Ninja Turtle or Osama who goes. KD would rather keep his boy Frogger than Harden.
Granted Thunder did own us 4 games in a row, where I considered them about at a peak with the players they had. Most of our bench didn't show us, including most of the roster outside the big 3 in those games. We continue to develop our guys with Splitter looking like a completely different player this year and bringing the force downlow with TD. All the other guys have made nice strides so I like our chances with any team this year assuming we are healthy. You can lol at us getting owned by Portland but we still have a deep team and the number one record. :flag:
Go look at Perkins' contract.
Spurs9
03-12-2013, 01:39 PM
Holy shit:
Perkins:
$8,477,437
Ibaka
$12,250,0:lol:lol
KaiRMD1
03-12-2013, 01:48 PM
The problem was they didn't wait, if the Thunder had waited, Harden would have resigned and Thunder would be pretty unstoppable. Salary cap nothing, they got scared that Harden wouldn't resign and by the end of the season, they'd wind up losing Harden and getting nothing in return.
Brazil
03-12-2013, 02:18 PM
:lmao still some posters here were filling the Harden is overrated threads everywhere and now the same with the afterwards ah ah ah told ya, Presti is crazy...
Jeff Van Gundy
03-12-2013, 02:24 PM
And if no team was willing to take Perkins then he could have simply been amnestied and finding a big body who's mediocre at rebounding and does nothing on offense to play 15-20 MPG would not have been hard. The small ball lineup of Westbrook - Harden - Sefolosha - Durant - Perkins would have been close to the matchup nightmare Miami's Chalmers - Wade - Battier/Allen - Lebron - Bosh lineup is.
U mean ibaka?
Man there's NO doubt OKC would be more dangerous with Harden. Sucks, but what's done is done I guess. Any Thunder fan who think our chances are as good with Martin is a bit mistaken.
DUNCANownsKOBE
03-12-2013, 02:32 PM
U mean ibaka?
rofl yes
freetiago
03-12-2013, 02:44 PM
Reports came out that Martin was a last ditch effort
they called Golden State looking at Klay Thompson first
then made the call for Beal from Washingston
cant believe the first 2 teams turned down those offers
and if OKC got either one of those they would be deadly
Klay/Beal are more athletic younger cheaper better versions of Kmart
and Harden is young and better then both of those 2 as well
Budkin
03-12-2013, 02:59 PM
Got to be one of the worst trades of all time.
whitemamba
03-12-2013, 03:14 PM
they couldnt afford him...martin is def not going to give them what harden gave them, but lets not forget the choke show that was james harden last year
This is something the Lakers never have to deal with. They can sign as many players as they want salary cap be damned while other teams have to get rid of star players after two years unless everyone agrees to take less. I mean right now they have Howard, Kobe, Nash, Ron Ron all paying them big money.
I have nothing against the haves and have not's, just don't sell me that the league is on a level playing field...im talking to you stern.
No, they don't. Other teams have the same right to keep star players. It's about their willingness to pay. The Lakers make a profit on winning so they have to pay a premium (imo, the CBA was all about getting more money from the Lakers' organization for the rest of the teams). Other teams won't make that same profit even if they won a ring every year for 10 years straight. Ergo they will not invest that heavily.
It's not about what other teams cannot do. Paul Allen can buy the Lakers if he wanted to. Surely he could pay a luxury tax. It's about profit margin. As long as you are rooting for a low margin team, you're going to get low margin results. You have to have low margin expectations.
Fergie The Florists
03-12-2013, 03:28 PM
Should of traded/amnestied Perkins scrub ass
Resigned Harden
Traded westbrick for a center
LnGrrrR
03-12-2013, 03:34 PM
Got to be one of the worst trades of all time.
Nah, unless you're talking top 20 or so.
AaronY
03-12-2013, 03:44 PM
You re-sign Harden at the max and amnesty Perkins. Problem solved.
This is a pretty intellectually dishonest take. Losing Harden is much, much bigger from a match up standpoint than losing Perkins against any team. Would Perkins defend Duncan better in the post...sure...but don't act like they had to keep Perkins solely for this reason. Hell, they could move Collison to the starting lineup and sign Bird and Martin and they would have been fine as long as Harden was still on the team.
There is no slicing the Harden trade in any way that will make it look like something other than what it is...an extraordinarily stupid decision.
It depends on the upcoming draft pick and Lamb if either of them develops into a legit player like Gasol's little brother did then I guess you retroactively defend it the way Memphis fans defend the Pau Gasol for Javaris Crittenton trade
Double-Up
03-12-2013, 03:47 PM
The problem was they didn't wait, if the Thunder had waited, Harden would have resigned and Thunder would be pretty unstoppable. Salary cap nothing, they got scared that Harden wouldn't resign and by the end of the season, they'd wind up losing Harden and getting nothing in return.
They couldn't have lost him for nothing, he would have been a restricted free agent.
No, they don't. Other teams have the same right to keep star players. It's about their willingness to pay. The Lakers make a profit on winning so they have to pay a premium (imo, the CBA was all about getting more money from the Lakers' organization for the rest of the teams). Other teams won't make that same profit even if they won a ring every year for 10 years straight. Ergo they will not invest that heavily.
It's not about what other teams cannot do. Paul Allen can buy the Lakers if he wanted to. Surely he could pay a luxury tax. It's about profit margin. As long as you are rooting for a low margin team, you're going to get low margin results. You have to have low margin expectations.
A really fancy way of saying what I said.
djohn2oo8
03-12-2013, 04:00 PM
they couldnt afford him...martin is def not going to give them what harden gave them, but lets not forget the choke show that was james harden last year
Harden was the reason they beat SA to get there.
KaiRMD1
03-12-2013, 04:10 PM
They couldn't have lost him for nothing, he would have been a restricted free agent.
You and I know that but the team who traded Harden because he needed time before he decided to resign probably didn't judging by their trigger happy decision of trading Harden.
Latarian Milton
03-12-2013, 06:37 PM
im still expecting jeremy lambo to justify the deal tbh
td4mvp2k
03-12-2013, 06:39 PM
im still expecting jeremy lambo to justify the deal tbh
Okc still expecting kmart... but he wont cuz its kmart
A really fancy way of saying what I said.
No, you acted like other teams are too poor or are barred from doing what the Lakers do. They aren't. You even said the playing field isn't level and blamed Stern for the fact that other teams won't spend that money.
The fact is that you have to build a great fan base, and LA has done that. Other teams only wish they had part of that. The only bonus for other teams is that a large portion of LA's fan base is comprised of bandwagon fans who will jump ship if another team wins a ring. That's why teams who win a few get a larger fan base. They don't just get more people into watching it, they convert bangwagonners.
No, you acted like other teams are too poor or are barred from doing what the Lakers do. They aren't. You even said the playing field isn't level and blamed Stern for the fact that other teams won't spend that money.
The fact is that you have to build a great fan base, and LA has done that. Other teams only wish they had part of that. The only bonus for other teams is that a large portion of LA's fan base is comprised of bandwagon fans who will jump ship if another team wins a ring. That's why teams who win a few get a larger fan base. They don't just get more people into watching it, they convert bangwagonners.
Wow you are really trying too hard. You are still proving my point. But go ahead, keep typing away like you're the smartest guy in here.
noob cake
03-12-2013, 06:56 PM
Harden is only 23.
Already top 6 player in NBA (LBJ, Ref, CP3, Kobe, Parker, Harden).
Locked up for 5 years. Woot woot. Thanks Presti.
irishock
03-12-2013, 07:16 PM
OKC got the raps pick.
whitemamba
03-12-2013, 09:01 PM
Harden was the reason they beat SA to get there.
It is all about the finals
The Batman
03-12-2013, 09:05 PM
It is all about the finals
Harden was 22 at the time? First finals appearance. A sixth man at the time. Harden canceled out Westbrick's chucking tendencies. If it was all about the finals, then Kobe sure as fuck doesn't fare well.
J_Paco
03-12-2013, 10:39 PM
And if no team was willing to take Perkins then he could have simply been amnestied and finding a big body who's mediocre at rebounding and does nothing on offense to play 15-20 MPG would not have been hard. The small ball lineup of Westbrook - Harden - Sefolosha - Durant - Perkins would have been close to the matchup nightmare Miami's Chalmers - Wade - Battier/Allen - Lebron - Bosh lineup is.
I think you meant Ibaka in the bolded spot, but I wholeheartedly agree with your take. They traded a top-tier swingman - who happened to be the team's best playmaker, is playing the second weakest position in the league and is cold-blooded in crunch time - to keep an overrated (defensively), offensive liability that can't play against certain match-ups or in long stretches. I really think that Presti cut off his nose to spite his face with the Harden trade. Unless a complete collapse occurs with Miami, then OKC isn't ringing anytime soon...............
OKC got the raps pick.
Yes, because Presti is batting 1.000% in the draft lottery (does the name Cole Aldrich ring a bell) and is sure to find a top 20 level player in a "weak" draft.
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03-12-2013, 11:10 PM
Just thank Christ he didn't come here. I'd have to live with that.
There'd be no end.
lefty
05-13-2013, 11:56 PM
Well with Westbrook's injury, they could have used this guy TBH
PRESTI :lmao
http://posterizes.com/wp-content/uploads/JamesHardenFearRocketsPosterizes_1440x900.jpg
chunticakes
05-14-2013, 12:06 AM
makes you wonder where'd they be now had they kept harden over westbrook...
Monster1776
05-14-2013, 12:10 AM
makes you wonder where'd they be now had they kept harden over westbrook...
I don't think you can argue that Harden would of been better to keep over Westbrook. Can't expect injuries either.
spurraider21
05-14-2013, 02:20 AM
I don't think you can argue that Harden would of been better to keep over Westbrook. Can't expect injuries either.
its not a matter of paying westbrook instead of harden, but rather paying perkins/ibaka instead of harden
Venti Quattro
05-15-2013, 11:35 PM
:lol Kevin Martin
:lol Kevin Durant
:lol Sam Presti
:lol Methlahoma
:lmao :lmao :lmao
midnightpulp
05-15-2013, 11:39 PM
I wonder who Presti will give away dat nigga Reggie Jackson for?
If I were Mitch, I would see about trading Glock and Duhon for him. Presti is about the only GM in the league that can get taken by Kupcake.
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