League leaders in "self-rebounds" off blocked shots

[bklynspursfan]

Interesting block-rebounding stats


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Al6a2ecvJfTidFRjdWxYZGNuLVhNc01uMjY2YVRiQ kE&single=true&gid=2&output=html

[mrjap2x]

I presumed BLK-DRB means that the blocker got the ball(not sure if this is a steal or a rebound).

But what about the BLK-OWN?

[Chinook]

I presumed BLK-DRB means that the blocker got the ball(not sure if this is a steal or a rebound).

But what about the BLK-OWN?

I believe that the BLK-DRB stat means someone on the team got the rebound, while the BLK-OWN means the blocker got it.

But that's just wild spectulation on my part.

[mrjap2x]

So if that is the case the BLK-OWN should represent the number of steals and block the blocker gets?

Like for example timmy blocked perkins and got the ball, he should be credited with a block and a steal.

[Chinook]

So if that is the case the BLK-OWN should represent the number of steals and block the blocker gets?

Like for example timmy blocked perkins and got the ball, he should be credited with a block and a steal.

I don't think recovering a blocked shot counts as a steal. If I understand the rules correctly, swiping the ball before the shooter lifts his arms above his head (or chest, elbows or some other area) counts as a steal, and swiping the ball above that point counts as a block. Recovering a loose ball rarely counts as a steal anyway. Like if Leonard knocks the ball out of Durant's hands and Green picks it up, Leonard gets credit for the steal, not Green.

[wildbill2u]

Bill Russell always said his blocks were done with a purpose: to get the ball for his team to go on offense, either by winding up with it himself for an outlet pass or to block it to another teammate.

[Seventyniner]

I don't think recovering a blocked shot counts as a steal. If I understand the rules correctly, swiping the ball before the shooter lifts his arms above his head (or chest, elbows or some other area) counts as a steal, and swiping the ball above that point counts as a block. Recovering a loose ball rarely counts as a steal anyway. Like if Leonard knocks the ball out of Durant's hands and Green picks it up, Leonard gets credit for the steal, not Green.

A blocked shot is considered a missed shot, and whoever comes down with it gets credit for a rebound. A steal, of course, doesn't result in a FGA or a rebound. Thanks for the clarification on what's considered a block versus a steal; I didn't know that one.

[Chinook]

A blocked shot is considered a missed shot, and whoever comes down with it gets credit for a rebound. A steal, of course, doesn't result in a FGA or a rebound. Thanks for the clarification on what's considered a block versus a steal; I didn't know that one.

You're right about the rebounds being a handy way to differentiate blocks from steals. I didn't mention that because the stats in the OP's link clearly listed rebounds as the end result of blocks.

I'm pretty sure the ball's location is the distinguishing characteristic between stealing the ball from a shooter and blocking the shooter's shot, but I couldn't find a clear link to clarify it. I'll post one if I can find it.

On this topic, I've seen steals be called inconsistently. In some cases, a defender knocking the ball out of bounds off an opponent counts as a steal, and in some cases it doesn't. Between that and all the judgment calls on blocks, it's hard to get a good measure of defensive impact by looking at stats.