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mavs>spurs
03-13-2013, 10:37 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-patriot-groups-splc-report-20130308,0,2444361.story?track=rss


There are, in increasingly frightening numbers, cells of angry men in the United States preparing for combat with the U.S. government. They are usually heavily armed, blinded by an intractable hatred, often motivated by religious zeal.They're not jihadists. They are white, right-wing Americans, nearly all with an obsessive attachment to guns, who may represent a greater danger to the lives of American civilians than international terrorists.
The Southern Poverty Law Center, which has been tracking hate groups for 30 years, released its latest report (http://www.splcenter.org/home/2013/spring/the-year-in-hate-and-extremism) on the growth of these organizations this week. Its findings were, to say the least, alarming. The center divides its subjects into militias, which are mostly groups of weekend warriors who train for combat against imaginary foes; hate groups, which target minorities; and "patriot" groups, whose beef is with the U.S. government. Patriot groups first began surfacing after the massacre of a bizarre sect by federal agents in Waco, Texas, in the early 1990s. They showed their teeth in 1995, when a patriot adherent blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City.
Since then, the patriot movement has been growing at a blistering pace, especially following the election of PresidentObama (http://www.latimes.com/topic/politics/government/barack-obama-PEPLT007408.topic) in 2008, according to the report. From just 149 groups in 2008, the number jumped to 512 in 2009 and has been rising sharply since. In 2012, it hit 1,360. Now that Obama is seriously pushing for tougher gun laws, further growth is a near certainty. The result? There's no knowing, but some kind of serious attack is increasingly possible.
Patriot groups are motivated by a host of anti-government attitudes, but their primary focus is guns. They are convinced that the government is out to seize their weapons, even though most legislation is focused on keeping guns out of the hands of criminals or restricting the types of weapons that can be sold. Many are also united by belief in an outlandish one-world government conspiracy theory (http://snapshot.factiva.com/Search/SSResults)positing that the United Nations (http://www.latimes.com/topic/crime-law-justice/international-law/united-nations-ORCUL000009.topic) is poised to strip away American property rights and impose socialism on us all.
What can be done to reverse this tide of belligerent ignorance? Not much. The typical patriot acts within his free-speech and 2nd Amendment rights, and in fact most patriot activity consists of venting steam by meeting with like-minded Neanderthals and firing off blog posts threatening civil war. Yet such blather tends to get under the skin of the Timothy McVeighs of the world. These groups should be closely monitored, with resources adequate to the task, even if it means shifting some homeland security money from the hunt for foreign terrorists.


Copyright © 2013, Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/)

mavs>spurs
03-13-2013, 10:38 PM
get ready for the false flag attack which will be blamed on patriots..and all the liberals will buy it even though you heard it here first

ElNono
03-13-2013, 11:40 PM
firing off blog posts threatening civil war

I bet that one hit close to home :lol

It's an opinion piece, and I agree with the majority on the poll, tbh...

Th'Pusher
03-13-2013, 11:57 PM
:lol Patriot groups. Call them what they are, a bunch of paranoid sluggards.

Nbadan
03-14-2013, 03:16 AM
get ready for the false flag attack which will be blamed on patriots..and all the liberals will buy it even though you heard it here first

Kinda like Oklahoma City, right?


http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/TRUCK/DETAIL.gif
These photos are purported to be of an area near Camp Gruber-Braggs, Oklahoma in early April of 1995

CosmicCowboy
03-14-2013, 06:25 AM
Southern Poverty Law Center :lmao:lmao

That bunch of commie fucks has ZERO credibility

exstatic
03-14-2013, 06:58 AM
Kinda like Oklahoma City, right?


http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/TRUCK/DETAIL.gif
These photos are purported to be of an area near Camp Gruber-Braggs, Oklahoma in early April of 1995

OMG! There is is! The ONLY Ryder truck on the planet, the one destroyed in OKC! :lol

ChumpDumper
03-14-2013, 10:16 AM
Southern Poverty Law Center :lmao:lmao

That bunch of commie fucks has ZERO credibilityWhy is that?

TeyshaBlue
03-14-2013, 10:45 AM
Why is that?

They've got their issues.

"He paused. “We’re not really set up to cover the extreme Left.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/299011/occupy-wall-street-and-southern-poverty-law-center-charles-c-w-cooke#

CuckingFunt
03-14-2013, 11:00 AM
They've got their issues.

"He paused. “We’re not really set up to cover the extreme Left.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/299011/occupy-wall-street-and-southern-poverty-law-center-charles-c-w-cooke#

So does that article/post, if I'm honest.

TeyshaBlue
03-14-2013, 11:01 AM
So does that article/post, if I'm honest.

Yeah...it's not a death dealer. But there are some questionable positions stated.

Oh, Gee!!
03-14-2013, 11:03 AM
the SPLC focuses on certain types of extremist groups and not others. doesn't mean the methodology or conclusions they reach are biased or inaccurate.

Oh, Gee!!
03-14-2013, 11:05 AM
I find outrage over "selective outrage" outrageous tbh. if the national review wants left-wing extremist groups investigated, they should investigate by all means.

TeyshaBlue
03-14-2013, 11:06 AM
the SPLC focuses on certain types of extremist groups and not others. doesn't mean the methodology or conclusions they reach are biased or inaccurate.

Focus is the mechanic of bias. You know this, right?

TeyshaBlue
03-14-2013, 11:07 AM
National Review. SPLC.

One of these things is not like the other.

TeyshaBlue
03-14-2013, 11:10 AM
I'm not beating up on the SPLC. They are what they are. Like the ACLU, I generally fall on their side. But not exclusively. Which is ok, too. But to deny SPLC has an ideologically driven political agenda is disingenuous at best.

Oh, Gee!!
03-14-2013, 11:12 AM
Focus is the mechanic of bias. You know this, right?

They have a niche. If you disagree with their conclusions that's one thing, but to disregard their findings on certain hate groups because they didn't investigate OWS is not reasonable.

TeyshaBlue
03-14-2013, 11:17 AM
They have a niche. If you disagree with their conclusions that's one thing, but to disregard their findings on certain hate groups because they didn't investigate OWS is not reasonable.

I'm not disregarding their conclusions. Just realize that they're not inherently unbiased.

TeyshaBlue
03-14-2013, 11:19 AM
When I pick and choose what I want to determine, under the guise of openness and fairness, well, the smell test seems to come into play.

Oh, Gee!!
03-14-2013, 11:21 AM
I'm not disregarding their conclusions. Just that they're not inherently unbiased.

you're not, perhaps. but the discussion began with someone laughing off the SPLC as commies with no credibilty, and continued with your defense of that position.

TeyshaBlue
03-14-2013, 11:23 AM
you're not, perhaps. but the discussion began with someone laughing off the SPLC as commies with no credibilty, and continued with your defense of that position.

I did not state they had no credibility. I stated that SPLC has their issues in response to Chump's "Why is that?" question.

CosmicCowboy
03-14-2013, 11:50 AM
Any Christian group in the United States that does not support same sex marriage is called a hate group by the SPLC. Muslim groups that don't support same sex marriage (all of them) aren't classified as hate groups..

ChumpDumper
03-14-2013, 12:00 PM
Any Christian group in the United States that does not support same sex marriage is called a hate group by the SPLC. Muslim groups that don't support same sex marriage (all of them) aren't classified as hate groups..That's where you get zero credibility from?

Trainwreck2100
03-14-2013, 12:08 PM
why do these guys even "train" if shit hits the fan like they are so ready to believe, they'll just get droned.

CosmicCowboy
03-14-2013, 12:23 PM
why do these guys even "train" if shit hits the fan like they are so ready to believe, they'll just get droned.

I'm sure they use the term loosely. The CHL class given at my ranch last weekend by the local constable would probably be branded as "training by a hate group" by the SPLC.

CosmicCowboy
03-14-2013, 12:26 PM
That's where you get zero credibility from?

Agenda driven selective use of facts = zero credibility.

ChumpDumper
03-14-2013, 12:31 PM
What's selective here?

CuckingFunt
03-14-2013, 12:35 PM
Any Christian group in the United States that does not support same sex marriage is called a hate group by the SPLC. Muslim groups that don't support same sex marriage (all of them) aren't classified as hate groups..

SPLC labels certain organizations as anti-gay hate groups if they are violent or take specific actions to defame homosexuality. Simply not supporting same sex marriage isn't enough to get anyone on the list.

RandomGuy
03-14-2013, 12:42 PM
Any Christian group in the United States that does not support same sex marriage is called a hate group by the SPLC. Muslim groups that don't support same sex marriage (all of them) aren't classified as hate groups..

Funny... if you click on SPLC's texas map, it lists five chapters of the Nation of Islam.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map#s=TX

Factually, provably incorrect.

Infact, toodling around the map seeing what they actually consider to be a "hate group" the vast majority tend to be neo-nazi types.

Still further, the group that are listed as being purely "anti-gay" are the kinds that have advocated physical violence.

The criteria is not "Any christian group that is anti gay marriage".

I would guess the criteria is any group that advocates some form of violence.

You're a smart guy, and it makes me sad when you suck up and/or repeat obvious propaganda without fact-checking.

Oh, Gee!!
03-14-2013, 12:42 PM
get ready for the false flag attack which will be blamed on patriots..and all the liberals will buy it even though you heard it here first

does the blogger's paranoia justify your's?

RandomGuy
03-14-2013, 12:45 PM
Agenda driven selective use of facts = zero credibility.

(sighs)

You say that, but why is it that I hear "i will overlook agenda-driven selectiveuse of facts when it appeals to me, but criticize it when it doesn't".

Can you point out some time where you have similarly criticized any conservative group in this way?

I would like to think you have.

CosmicCowboy
03-14-2013, 12:47 PM
I'm sure you would.

CosmicCowboy
03-14-2013, 12:51 PM
Funny... if you click on SPLC's texas map, it lists five chapters of the Nation of Islam.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map#s=TX

Factually, provably incorrect.

Infact, toodling around the map seeing what they actually consider to be a "hate group" the vast majority tend to be neo-nazi types.

Still further, the group that are listed as being purely "anti-gay" are the kinds that have advocated physical violence.

The criteria is not "Any christian group that is anti gay marriage".

I would guess the criteria is any group that advocates some form of violence.

You're a smart guy, and it makes me sad when you suck up and/or repeat obvious propaganda without fact-checking.

Point taken and considered.

I will check it out.

Drachen
03-14-2013, 01:08 PM
I bet that one hit close to home :lol

It's an opinion piece, and I agree with the majority on the poll, tbh...

honestly, THESE guys are the reason that I want to buy a gun.

RandomGuy
03-26-2013, 12:47 PM
I'm sure you would.

Sorry. Not trying to be hostile or anything.

Just trying to gently push you to applying some modicum of skepticism to people and groups you agree with.

It is a hard thing to do, and something we all should do, myself included.

boutons_deux
03-26-2013, 12:52 PM
Agenda driven selective use of facts = zero credibility.

apart for any agenda, the facts of the racist/white supremicsts/bubbas/etc are still FACTS

extreme left? like OWS? :lol