we look like we're playing in mud because pop insists on playing ginobili at point

[dwayne shintzius]

all spurs fans see it; we may not want to admit to it; but manu running the point ruins the flow of our system - he forces passes, forces drives - essentially leading to a turnover. we all know the saying, let the game come to you, and he just isnt doing that.

how frustrating is it to watch? corey joseph does a better job getting us into our offense; i know manu's part of the fabric of the spurs - but isnt there a certain point when you just realize that him on the bench makes our team better?

[Dex]

1) Manu and Neal are currently splitting the backup PG duties.

2) That is because our star point guard, who normally fills 35 MPG, is injured. Joseph can't play 48 minutes a game.

3) Once Tony comes back, Joseph will hopefully shift to the backup PG spot, allowing Ginobili to shift over to his natural SG position, and allowing Neal to shift down to the end of the bench.

4) Manu is obviously in a funk, and the only way he is going to fix that is to play his way out of it. The Spurs aren't going anywhere without Manu being effective, so better to put up with these pains now than in the playoffs.

[bus driver]

1) Manu and Neal are currently splitting the backup PG duties.

2) That is because our star point guard, who normally fills 35 MPG, is injured. Joseph can't play 48 minutes a game.

3) Once Tony comes back, Joseph will hopefully shift to the backup PG spot, allowing Ginobili to shift over to his natural SG position, and allowing Neal to shift down to the end of the bench. :lmao :lmao

4) Manu is obviously in a funk, and the only way he is going to fix that is to play his way out of it. The Spurs aren't going anywhere without Manu being effective, so better to put up with these pains now than in the playoffs.






three words....Church of Manu.

[Dex]

I'm not sure I understand what you are implying, driver of the bus.

[bus driver]

^


3) Once Tony comes back, Joseph will hopefully shift to the backup PG spot, allowing Ginobili to shift over to his natural SG position, and allowing Neal to shift down to the end of the bench.


thought what you said was funny. that is why i put the :lmao at the end of your statement and bolded it. didnt make sense?

[cd98]

Another anti-Manu thread. We have two guys on our roster that have any kind of ability to get their own shot and create shots for others: Manu and Parker. Parker is injured. Manu is all we got. So we have to go with him the last five minutes of the game. Funny cause in his prime he was the best at it. Now, for some reason, he has not made the best decisions. He did get Kawhi two wide open threes at the end of the game. Kawhi hit one. If he had hit the other, the Spurs would have had more of a cushion and then Ginoboli wouldn't be taking the heat.

Besides, we won the game with Manu playing point.

[Fabbs]

Another anti-Manu thread. We have two guys on our roster that have any kind of ability to get their own shot and create shots for others: Manu and Parker.
Kawhi fully capable as shown when given chance.
Splittsville is excellent passer. Getting better at creating his own shot. Refs are screwing him on too many shot attempts that should be rewarded with fts.

[Dex]

^


thought what you said was funny. that is why i put the :lmao at the end of your statement and bolded it. didnt make sense?

I suspected that, but wasn't sure. Hadn't had my morning coffee yet. :wakeup

[dwayne shintzius]

i think the spurs have shown that if we play within the system, we dont need to rely on any one on one, create your own shot type of plays. i agree its better now that manu is trying to find his groove than it is in 5 weeks, but i think as spurs fans we all need to accept the fact that he's not the same guy we all felt comfortable with the ball in his hands at the end of games; obviously we need tony back asap, but to listen to Pop say "he doesnt know why it looks like we're playing in mud" is like calling the kettle black.

[sammy]

What's with all of the haters! Same haters trying to blame everything on Manu when everyone is playing bad! It will get better! The Spurs seem out of synch and too many turnovers! I was surprised that Pop did not call a timeout and calm them down but continued to play and Dallas got within 2 points! I was just amazed! They just need to slow down and stop making stupid errors! No it's not all on Manu in spite of the haters coming onto this board and trashing him!

[letmk]

1) Manu and Neal are currently splitting the backup PG duties.

2) That is because our star point guard, who normally fills 35 MPG, is injured. Joseph can't play 48 minutes a game.

3) Once Tony comes back, Joseph will hopefully shift to the backup PG spot, allowing Ginobili to shift over to his natural SG position, and allowing Neal to shift down to the end of the bench.

4) Manu is obviously in a funk, and the only way he is going to fix that is to play his way out of it. The Spurs aren't going anywhere without Manu being effective, so better to put up with these pains now than in the playoffs.

Manu is not in a funk. He is in a decline. Some good plays, some bad plays; some good games, some bad games. That's him now. It's up to Pop to realize/admit to that and make adjustments.

At least to me, I never blame Manu for this decline since every player goes through that, including MJ with Wizards. I only blame the coach who refuses to see that and gives him less responsibility, and thus keep his efficiency.

[RD2191]

manu just needs to stop with the stupid passes and step back 3s. he is still a very good player and we need him to play well if we want to win a title. he just really needs to take it easy and not force anything

[Ditty]

Teams seem to not respect Ginobili's drive game anymore that's why it seems that he is turnovering the ball every pick n roll. If Manu can start mixing up his game and not looking so obvious that he is looking for the pick n roll guy every time then I think he will finally find his rhythm.

[wtgspurs]

. The Spurs aren't going anywhere without Manu being effective, so better to put up with these pains now than in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

If you keep on saying that, we really won't go anywhere with OR without him. Take your mind off Manu, and start believing in the ability of other team members it's just that simple. Manu is not God, and the team can do without him.

[cd98]

Kawhi fully capable as shown when given chance.
Splittsville is excellent passer. Getting better at creating his own shot. Refs are screwing him on too many shot attempts that should be rewarded with fts.

Did you see Splitter's ill-fated attempt to score one on one with Dirk in the last minute of the game? Kawhi is getting better, but he's not the best at creating his own shot or creating a shot for someone else in the last minute of a game. You go with experience. Manu used to be the best. He's slipped a little, but you got to go with him with Parker out.

[purist]

i thought dwayne schintzus was dead

[superbigtime]

It's up to Pop to realize/admit to that and make adjustments.

THAT will never happen.

[Fabbs]

Did you see Splitter's ill-fated attempt to score one on one with Dirk in the last minute of the game?
Only once in real time. Announcer spoke of how Splitts wanted the call. Would not surprise me if SooBitchsky got away with another ref sniffin play vs Spurs.
Did he get fouled?

[phxspurfan]

1) Manu and Neal are currently splitting the backup PG duties.

2) That is because our star point guard, who normally fills 35 MPG,

I know Tony was efficient but that's some pretty good mileage.

[phxspurfan]

i thought dwayne schintzus was dead

:lol

[superjames1992]

Kawhi fully capable as shown when given chance.
Splittsville is excellent passer. Getting better at creating his own shot. Refs are screwing him on too many shot attempts that should be rewarded with fts.
Leonard is capable of creating his shot. I've not yet seen him create much in the way of shots for others, though, tbh. For the most part, Manu and Tony have a monopoly on that.

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

Kind of tired of the trashing of Manu going on the last few weeks. He's done a lot and deserves some respect. Is he playing worse? Of course. He's past his prime. Why are people shocked? Are the only fans left on this site all emo-ADHD babies?

[Dex]

I know Tony was efficient but that's some pretty good mileage.

Ba dum cha!

[milkyway21]

You must be kidding me :rolleyes...16 consecutive playoff berths, 14 straight 50win-season games, 4 trophys, Pop knows what he's doing, he's Manu Ginobili !

[spurtech09]

Manu just doesn't have it anymore....Gino use to be a great ball handler but now he just plain looks awful.....maybe he's trying to hard forcing the ball Idk but I hope TP returns soon....I like it when the younger guys play...better flow...with Duncan and manu in the line-up the team loses there flow

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

I have no problem reading threads about Manu's role should be increased, should be used more as a role player or what not. Its the people that are obnoxious about it that is irritating. How can you say your a Spurs fan and be so obnoxious about a great player like Ginobili.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion based on what I wrote.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

I don't think he's responding to what you said, just adding on to it.

[Kidd K]

Manu has led to some losses with sloppy play, but you guys complaining about him need to look at the full picture.

Manu's been hurt a lot of the year, so he's not 100% game ready (even for his current age/shape). The more minutes he gets, the better. We need him to be at 100% if we want a title. We need everyone going well.

Parker being out, who it's safe to say is our best player at this point, is the reason our offense has looked like we're playing in mud. Not Manu.

Joseph plays under control (which I like), but he doesn't really add a lot to the offense. He's just like a filler piece. A prototypical backup PG. Not a guy you want playing 30 minutes at the point.

When Parker's back, everyone gets to go back to their normal positions, and Joseph will take his rightful place as the backup PG and shine there. While Manu gets to do his thing as the secondary ballhandler when he's on the floor.

[Slippy]

In the dallas game, Manu did a fantastic job of initiating the offense and creating for others. His close-out of the game was refreshing to see, his teammates how-ever couldn't complete the deal by finishing the good looks they got.

Tony and Manu are the only competent players able to contribute to the team in this fashion. You gotta have these kind of guys to compete in the play-offs as scoring becomes a struggle. If spurs fans are suggesting Cory does a better job than Manu then the Spurs are in trouble.

[DesignatedT]

Ummm no not really.

[moisaenz]

Manu is still a good player but I think he is still not 100% physically, since he isnt he tries to do too much, most of his mid range jumpers are close to air balls and just hit the front of the rim.

[freetiago]

Ginobili needs the floor spacing aka Matt Bonner
hes been effective with different roll (Blair/Splitter) men but the common denominator has been Coach B
now that hes been limited to mostly bench warming duties Manu cant get in the lane as easily and his favorite skip pass receiver isnt there anymore to bail him out