Has Kawhi surpassed Manu?

[Cklbmk]

Has Kawhi become better than Manu? Sure seems that way to me

[freetiago]

Splitter and Leonard have
Spurs need to take the ball out of Ginobilis hand and let him spot up and play offball
his stepback 3s are getting airmailed and his shots around screens are airballs also
Ginobili cant be effective without a stretch 4 anymore
some of his drives tonight were pathetic

[RD2191]

ummmm no

[Nathan89]

Yes. The question should be is manu our 5th best player?

[Uriel]

Yes.

[spectator]

if you watch ginobili play defense, you know that this has already happened

[JingleJangleJingle]

yeah i love Manu but Kawahi is our 3rd best player.

[Capt Bringdown]

SuperManu is finished and needs to assume a supporting role.
Leonard has beat him out of his leadership position.
Leonard doesn't work for Manu anymore, it's the other way around.
A win-win for everybody.

[Proxy]

who gives a shit

[ElNono]

Suckobili being on the court guarantees a run from the opposing team... he couldn't grab a board and a scrub like Speighs becoming automatic when he was out there just illustrates the point completely.

if Pop didn't learn after that loss to Dallas, he'll never learn, tbh

[ElNono]

Oh, about the OP... hell yes!

[HI-FI]

Yes sir.

[TDfan2007]

Suckobili being on the court guarantees a run from the opposing team... he couldn't grab a board and a scrub like Speighs becoming automatic when he was out there just illustrates the point completely.

if Pop didn't learn after that loss to Dallas, he'll never learn, tbh

Blue font, ftw.

[TMTTRIO]

I hope Manu's smart enough to know that he can't continue doing this and decides to retire at the end of the season. I have to say it's been painful watching him.

[Arcadian]

Oh yeah. Clearly. Is this even a question?

[TDfan2007]

Yes, Kawhi is better. I'm actually shocked that he's putting up these kinds of numbers. It looks like Tony's ball dominance has actually held him back quite a bit. Now that we've seen what he can do, it adds an entirely new dimension to our offense. The coaching staff has already picked up on Kawhi's emergence, as they've actually been calling plays for him. Hopefully this all keeps up when Tony gets back.

[bklynspursfan]

Kinda wish he played more than 30mpg tbh

[EricB]

Lmao fucking lunatics...

[racm]

I'd still argue that Good Manu is better than Kawhi but he's been Jekyll and Hyde lately. Kawhi is super consistent IMO.

[Capt Bringdown]

It's exciting to watch, and as the Beatles said, "nothing to get hung about," as long as Manu makes the necessary adjustment to his game and Pop creates a new place for him in the supporting cast.
Not surprised that Manu is the first of the Big 3 to decline so dramatically. Surely the Spurs are seeing the handwriting on the wall...right?

[jmard5]

Better than what? Offensive output, yes. Leadership, no. Both bring unique qualities into the table. No sense pitting them against each other.

[elemento]

No Manu is still better and he will show it when it matters, in the playoffs.

And all guys trashing Manu will regret big time once the playoffs begins.

Please don't disappear once it happens. I will make sure to bring up all these threads.

[cd021]

No. Seriously Team hierarchy doesn't change game to game like that. Manu is still the 3rd best player. Clearly. When Kawhi can create for others, draw fouls and also knock down 3's at a high clip when scoring in 15+ ppg. talk to me. His scoring is up but his 3pt% has been in free fall. for well over a month. So has his FG %. Dudes good but come on.

[cd021]

I'd still argue that Good Manu is better than Kawhi but he's been Jekyll and Hyde lately. Kawhi is super consistent IMO. Consistency over 6 weeks or consistency over 11 years...

[superjames1992]

Has Kawhi become better than Manu? Sure seems that way to me
This thread is a joke.

Manu leads the team with 14 points, 10 assists, and was the only player that made plays for others tonight (sans Duncan), yet the haters continue to trash him. Some of you are pathetic.

[superjames1992]

And please wait until the Playoffs before starting stupid threads like this. Kawhi just dominating a POS scrub Cavs team. Manu is coasting until the Playoffs. Jesus Christ. The Playoffs are the only games that really matter.

[jemanuel]

This thread is a joke.

absolutely... haters keep hating :downspin: mAnU 4 life :toast

[TDfan2007]

And please wait until the Playoffs before starting stupid threads like this. Kawhi just dominating a POS scrub Cavs team. Manu is coasting until the Playoffs. Jesus Christ. The Playoffs are the only games that really matter.

lol coasting till the playoffs. That's what people said about Timmy in 2011...

And I'm not hating on Manu, but Kawhi is significantly better in every category other than passing and intangibles at this point.

Manu may come back next year after a summer off and shut us all up, but as for now he's definitely showing the wear from playing over a year non-stop.

[TrainOfThought5]

The CoK versus CoM battle shall be an epic that our grandchildren will tell to their children.

[jemanuel]

My heart is aching every time they say something bad about Manu being this, being that...I simply don't care if Manu plays or not; just seeing him with the Spurs already gives me happiness...can't you see there's still a lot of number "20" in the stands...c'mon instead of bashing about his game and making hurtful comments might as well appreciate his presence on the team...Tim and Manu are the future coaches for the SPURS...TIM, TONY, and MANU...cased closed! LOL

[freetiago]

Kawhi has intangibles
won plenty of late games with his defense
his offense rebounding was key tonight
his steal for Durant in the season opener
had a game vs Philly where he was getting late game steals as well

and its not really Ginobilis fault hes playing so bad
Popovich doesnt force the ball to Duncan every play
since he knows that just doesnt work minus tonight
he has people set him up for midrange shots now
Ginobili needs to be set up instead of forcing it on pick and rolls everytime

[Sean Cagney]

Not yet, he is getting alot better at things but he has not surpassed Manu yet. Manu is older now and not as good I know we all see it! To hate on him though and call him names is just pathetic IMO. Show some respect to the Spurs legend.

[spurraider21]

I'd still argue that Good Manu is better than Kawhi but he's been Jekyll and Hyde lately. Kawhi is super consistent IMO.

[TheSkeptic]

Better than what? Offensive output, yes. Leadership, no. Both bring unique qualities into the table. No sense pitting them against each other.

Spurstalk really doesn't work that way...And for the record, I don't think so. Kawhi has been good but posters are going crazy over his potential right now.

[Brazil]

No need for the interrogation point tbh

[DMC]

As far as current effectiveness on the floor in terms of offensive production and defense? Yes. As far as in-situ IQ in crucial moments of the game? Fuck no.

[skulls138]

Manu shouldnt be compared to other players because with Manu its about finding that magic zone. When he's out of the magic zone he makes horrendous plays but when he's in the zone he's like Bird and Jordan all rolled together.

[John B]

Manu is on a slump, but will get better. Has Kawhi surpassed him? No. Manu still has a lot of ways to win ballgames. Kawhi is athletic but yet to learn how to use all his abilities. I still give the ball to Manu on last possession with the game tied knowing he could drive it to the hole, fake and step-back for a three, draw a foul, whatever nobody knows. And while TP is now the general, Timmy the anchor, Manu is the heart and soul of the Spurs. Kawhi will get his turn.

[spurraider21]

Kawhi started off 4-12 today... went on to finish 8-16 :tu

[MSPaint]

The CoK versus CoM

Has an interesting ring if you say it phonetically.

[Capt Bringdown]

CoM:
http://www.pitch.com/binary/798f/Church_560.jpg

[tim_duncan_fan]

Kinda wish he played more than 30mpg tbh

I'm not sure it's a bad thing. We'll have come out with 62 essentially meaningless wins and a hopefully healthy Kawhi. I hope he becomes our franchise player and we surround him with enough talent that we never have to play him more than 35 mins on the average. That'll mean less games on his body in 10 years when the mileage really starts to add up.

[007nites]

Kawhi trying to mimic timmy

24, 13, 4, and 2

Prime Shawn Marion type game.

[Sean Cagney]

CoM:
http://www.pitch.com/binary/798f/Church_560.jpgSee the right with the stairs adn the cross! That tells me there is still a chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurraider21]

Can this be merged with the "Kawhi is the 3rd best player" thread. Its really the same argument.

[Man In Black]

I reserve judgment until Tony comes back. When everyone is back to their normal roles, that's when Manu AND Kawhi will be at their best...on both sides of the court.

[kaji157]

Cal me when Kwame delivers when it matters... I´ve seen other players been "phenomenal" during the regular season but slowly fade away in the playoffs.
I will assume that many here are just not thinking basketball wise what you post.

We all know that the true test is the playoffs, it took parker almost 5 years to translate his regular season game to the postseason, we are yet to know how long it will take to Leonard.

Ginobili is still the safest bet when you are going to war.

[TE]

Not yet. Shouldn't we wait till Tony comes back and we play in the playoffs to make such assessment? No doubt is Kwahi stepping up but to jump to this conclusion is quite the over-reaction tbh.

[Pauleta14]

Troll question IMO...

Of course he didn't, this is ONLY regular season...

NOTHING replaces experience and poise during the PO!!

Manu still hasn't find his rythm, physicaly and mentaly, he is out of synch and looks like he's taking time (as we do) to accept the fact that he can't play the superhero anymore (quick 3s...).

I have no doubt he'll be ready for the PO and will shut a lot of mouthes...

Can't believe what I'm reading from.... Spurs/Manu fans!!!!

Shame on you guys...

[racm]

Y'all forgetting the kid shot .500 from the field and .450 from 3 in his first ever playoff run and was one of 6 players Pop trusted on the floor when things unraveled in the WCF right?

[Slutter McGee]

Obviously yes. Leonard seems to be surpassing Manu. But people, all this time to give it up and retire stuff is ridiculous. What shooting guard (that we can afford) would you rather be playing. Manu is still an asset.

Slutter McGee

[emanueldavidginobili]

You guys disrespecting Manu makes me sick. Come playoffs Manu has proved he can step up with Kawhi we don't know yet. I could care less about regular season.

[pookenstein]

No Manu is still better and he will show it when it matters, in the playoffs.

And all guys trashing Manu will regret big time once the playoffs begins.

Why would any Spurfan regret it when/if Manu shows up big time in the playoffs?

[EVAY]

no. not yet. not enough instinct for the game flow yet.

Manu is ALWAYS the guy I want handling the ball in playoffs at the end of the game. Will he make mistakes? Sure. But his is still the guy.

kawhi will get there...just not yet. lots to learn still on game flow.

[ogait]

It would be wonderful if this was true but it isn't.
It would mean someone would perform better than Manu in the Round that matters the most.
I just hope that he won't again be the Spurs best player in the final round of the season as it was the case in the last 3 seasons (Phoenix, Memphis, OKC).

[elemento]

Why would any Spurfan regret it when/if Manu shows up big time in the playoffs?

They will regret trashing him. And he will prove people wrong once again, just like he did against OKC last season.

I just want to see all those Manu haters showing up coming playoff time.

[tim_duncan_fan]

The real question mark is whether we'll continue to take advantage of Kawhi's growth once Parker is back.

[Canibspur]

Yes but come on. This is good news.

[Darkwaters]

No. Manu is still the man.

But I'm very pleased that this is a semi-legitimate discussion now. Because it means that Kawhi is really starting to step up and play like we've all known he was capable of playing. So who cares who is better? What matters is how this team plays come the playoffs.

[pookenstein]

They will regret trashing him. And he will prove people wrong once again, just like he did against OKC last season.

I just want to see all those Manu haters showing up coming playoff time.

Again: why would they regret it if it means succes for the Spurs? I just don't get this inner-team-hating. It's stupid.

[Bruno]

There is no such thing as Manu's haters. Outside of a couple of posters, everybody on ST love Manu.

It's not because you aren't a blind homer that you are a hater. Manu's fanboys should stop playing the offended virgin whenever someone is objective about Manu.

[elemento]

Again: why would they regret it if it means succes for the Spurs? I just don't get this inner-team-hating. It's stupid.

No, what's is stupid is trashing a player for meaningless regular season games.

[Embedded]

I'd rather lose with Mr. Ginobili than win without him. I'm that big a fan. If you think Mr. Leonard has surpassed him, try putting the ball in his hands with 0.10 to go in the game and having him make a play. Is Mr. Leonard more athletic? hell yes. Could he outplay Mr. Ginobili in one-on-one? Hell Yes. But who would you trust in a meaningful game with the game on the line? Mr. Leonard can't yet run a team.

[Juggity]

Yes, Kawhi has surpassed Manu. That's more a reflection of Kawhi's growth than it is of Manu's decline.


I'd rather lose with Mr. Ginobili than win without him. I'm that big a fan. If you think Mr. Leonard has surpassed him, try putting the ball in his hands with 0.10 to go in the game and having him make a play. Is Mr. Leonard more athletic? hell yes. Could he outplay Mr. Ginobili in one-on-one? Hell Yes. But who would you trust in a meaningful game with the game on the line? Mr. Leonard can't yet run a team.

^ I don't think that's a good assessment. Kawhi is not on the spurs to be a playmaker like Manu. He's a defensive small forward with a potent 3 point shot and outstanding athleticism that makes him effective on drives to the hoop. He'll never be a playmaker, and he doesn't need to be.

Comparatively speaking, Kawhi is a better player within his own role than Ginobili is within his role at this point in their respective careers. And given the fact that this league is small forward-dominated and will be for the foreseeable future, Kawhi is a more valuable tool in the tool kit than Manu now.

Don't get me wrong, Manu is still capable of greatness in bursts, but Kawhi is exceeding all expectations very rapidly.

[emanueldavidginobili]

You guys are crazy Manu was going off in the WCF not even a year ago, what did he have 26 and 20 in games one and two, and the huge pivotal game 5 had 34 and almost single handedly win that game. Right now KL can't do that I hope I'm wrong but there's no way he can change a game like Manu can. You guys are forcing it. Literally what 6 months ago he was going off in the Olympics. Manu is a Passion player when there's something on the linen he's going to come to play, wait until the playoffs. And I guarantee If you ask any NBA player who is better they're are going to say is that even a question, Manu Ginobili

[Strategic]

On here tbh stands for the butt hurt crowd for the blind Manu fans. When the team wins it's always Manu, but when they lose, don't you dare, omg!!!! drama queens. He may be the savior in the playoffs, so be it. He can't show 12 or 15 games a season and not get talked about on ST like anything but a novelty. By the way, I'm a big fan of his, just not a worshiper.
'

[maverick1948]

'Cow-wi" is going to be better than a lot of small forwards that people think are good. He will develop things that most SF never try to learn. Will he be better than Manu a SG? It all depends on Danny Green and his improvement. Kawhi can play the 2 but with so many 1's and 2's on the team, we need him at the 3. With the patience of Pop, Kawhi will become a borderline all-star in the next couple of years. From there it will be up to Kawhi to take it further. As for Manu, he is not in a funk, he is missing TP. If TP had been playing the last 2 weeks, Manu may not have had the stats he is putting up, but he would be leading a strong 2nd unit. Too much of the responsibility of filling in for TP has been on Manu. Again, he is playing out of position as a point guard instead of the SG. No Kawhi has not passed Manu, but he is getting to the point that he and Manu can really lay it to the opponents.

[Poolboy5623]

Pop needs to sit Manu down just like he did drob, and explain that his time on the offensive end(as a go to scorer) are over. He needs to help the team in ways he can, setting up his opponents with passing and shooting when left wide open. At kawhis age, he should be able to go a few more min a game and should be a 2nd or, at worst a 3rd scoring option...if ginobili goes into the playoffs thinking it's 07, the spurs will be in trouble.

[Poolboy5623]

You guys are crazy Manu was going off in the WCF not even a year ago, what did he have 26 and 20 in games one and two, and the huge pivotal game 5 had 34 and almost single handedly win that game. Right now KL can't do that I hope I'm wrong but there's no way he can change a game like Manu can. You guys are forcing it. Literally what 6 months ago he was going off in the Olympics. Manu is a Passion player when there's something on the linen he's going to come to play, wait until the playoffs. And I guarantee If you ask any NBA player who is better they're are going to say is that even a question, Manu Ginobili

Last years wcf was a loooong time ago. Not saying he can't do it again...but I've never seen Manu look as worn down as I've seen him lately. I knew this time would come and honestly, thought it would have happened already. With his style of play, it can't go on forever...

[TMTTRIO]

Pop needs to sit Manu down just like he did drob, and explain that his time on the offensive end(as a go to scorer) are over. He needs to help the team in ways he can, setting up his opponents with passing and shooting when left wide open. At kawhis age, he should be able to go a few more min a game and should be a 2nd or, at worst a 3rd scoring option...if ginobili goes into the playoffs thinking it's 07, the spurs will be in trouble. Well he's bad at passing (too turnover prone this season)and has lost his 3 point shooting .

[superjames1992]

Pop needs to sit Manu down just like he did drob, and explain that his time on the offensive end(as a go to scorer) are over. He needs to help the team in ways he can, setting up his opponents with passing and shooting when left wide open. At kawhis age, he should be able to go a few more min a game and should be a 2nd or, at worst a 3rd scoring option...if ginobili goes into the playoffs thinking it's 07, the spurs will be in trouble.
:lol

[Poolboy5623]

Well he's bad at passing (too turnover prone this season)and has lost his 3 point shooting .

Shit:-( well...it seemed he was still passing well when he was actually looking to pass first...and same with the shooting...when he's left open, but not trying to create...between he and jack, I don't know who looks worse. They both seem to have a fridge strapped to their backs when running.

[hater]

Some ppl are finally seeing d light

[hater]

On here tbh stands for the butt hurt crowd for the blind Manu fans. When the team wins it's always Manu, but when they lose, don't you dare, omg!!!! drama queens. He may be the savior in the playoffs, so be it. He can't show 12 or 15 games a season and not get talked about on ST like anything but a novelty. By the way, I'm a big fan of his, just not a worshiper.
'

Rack this motherfucker :tu

[jermaine]

It pains me to watch Ginobili like this. Any shot he takes makes me scared. Every time he drives im scared he's going to get hurt. Now Leanord as much as he's coming into him own is no Manu. Ive been reading these stupid replies an watching every gm closely. Anyone who thinks Leanord is on Manus level is a fool. I cant believe some of you. True enough Manu needs to retire but aint no one outside of Tony an Timmy in a spurs uniform close to Manu. Tiago as good as he's doing is closer to Manu than Leanord. I cant believe you people. I guess its out with the old an in with the new with some of you'll.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Its a tribute to Kawhi's potential that his performance is being talked in the same sentence as Manu's. Kawhi & Green in many ways (but quite differently as well) remind a lot of the young Manu and the young SJax combo in 2003.

[100%duncan]

Let's put it simply tbh.

We need Kawhi more to win it all.

[jermaine]

Kawhi doesn't finish well at the rim well enough to even think of the convo. If he isn't dunking, then he's just a shade over green at finishing around the rim. Now I'd much rather see Kawhi shoot the 3 ball than manu . But Turnobili as some call him, can still run an offense. Leanord, Green, Tiago, nor Neal can. But I am going to replace my spurs jerseys with Leanord's Spurs jerseys. Lmao

[urunobili]

I propose to revisit this thread after the season is over for the Spurs...

[Fireball]

I don't care tbh. I just love to watch Kawhi get better and also hope that Manu can get his act together in the playoffs at the latest. His bad free throw shooting shows that he is not in his typical rhythm yet. But maybe, just maybe, it will never happen again. Who can really predict when a players production falls off consistently. Right now Kawhi plays better D than Manu and slowly increases his share on O ... what more can we ask for?

[Poolboy5623]

It pains me to watch Ginobili like this. Any shot he takes makes me scared. Every time he drives im scared he's going to get hurt. Now Leanord as much as he's coming into him own is no Manu. Ive been reading these stupid replies an watching every gm closely. Anyone who thinks Leanord is on Manus level is a fool. I cant believe some of you. True enough Manu needs to retire but aint no one outside of Tony an Timmy in a spurs uniform close to Manu. Tiago as good as he's doing is closer to Manu than Leanord. I cant believe you people. I guess its out with the old an in with the new with some of you'll.

That's pro sports jermaine...these guys are paid MILLIONS, to play a GAME! If your not doing your job, move aside and let the next guy down the line try. I don't think anyone is saying kawhi is the "old" Manu, but he's clearly a better option than the 2013 Manu. Anyone that disagrees, needs to see an optometrist. I didn't want to give up on Manu(and haven't), but his play is hurting the team and it's obvious.

[rjv]

talent wise, yes-mental wise, no. although he is catching up in that area.

leonard really may have to be our 4th options in the playoffs if manu continues to be so inconsistent.

[HI-FI]

There is no such thing as Manu's haters. Outside of a couple of posters, everybody on ST love Manu.

It's not because you aren't a blind homer that you are a hater. Manu's fanboys should stop playing the offended virgin whenever someone is objective about Manu.
this.

the CoM probably creates more ill will with how they throw certain teammates under the bus, yet when Manu is clearly slumping, you hear how it's because he's forced to play with the B team and no one is stepping up. The truth is Manu hasn't been the same for awhile and hopefully it's something he can fix.

Manu is my second favorite Spur but he has and will always be a very frustrating player. For all his brilliance he also does some dumb shit and seems to get hurt at inopportune times. I hope he can turn things around in the playoffs and also hope his next contract is more team friendly.

[hater]

the plain truth is Manu is a stubborn fool for not trying to adjust his game. He still tries to do his 100mph argentine bumper car basketball that yes, got him glory back in the day, but today just looks goofy and embarrassing.

[jermaine]

the plain truth is Manu is a stubborn fool for not trying to adjust his game. He still tries to do his 100mph argentine bumper car basketball that yes, got him glory back in the day, but today just looks goofy and embarrassing.
I cant help but laugh but so true. He leaves you wondering like he always has. "Wtf was he thinking"

[DAF86]

There is no such thing as Manu's haters. Outside of a couple of posters, everybody on ST love Manu.

It's not because you aren't a blind homer that you are a hater. Manu's fanboys should stop playing the offended virgin whenever someone is objective about Manu.

That's what happens when you're fun to watch, clutch and don't bang teammates wives, tbh.

[Brazil]

That's what happens when you're fun to watch, clutch and don't bang teammates wives, tbh.

he mad tbh
typically CoM post, topic is Manu and the automatic offended virgin take a jab at TP for no reason other than helping his hero. You are by far the biggest homer ever of this board :lol Manu>Dirk, I'm quite astonished that you didn't start a new Argentinean pope = God or something in the club.

[Brazil]

To be back to the topic, of course Kawhi surpassed, the last weeks and overall for the RS, Manu. Is that definitive ? I don't think so. I somehow think Manu is preserving/coasting a bit during the RS. Dude was beasting just 6 month ago during the Olympics, he was playing great and had a terrific campaign, he didn't became old in 6 months. No way Manu can be productive anymore during the course of 82 games + POs but for a month of live or death tournament I'm sure he is capable to bring his A games a last time at least. Besides with all the attention that TP is drawing from opponents, Manu is flying a bit under radar, this could be positive for the Spurs.

At the end, Spurs will need a solid Manu, a MVP level TP and a vintage Tim to go somewhere as always.

[Bruno]

That's what happens when you're fun to watch, clutch and don't bang teammates wives, tbh.

Well, Parker is fun to watch, clutch and was hated long before his divorce. Parker certainly didn't deserve to be as hated as he is by some posters.

Now, Ginobili is an awesome guy, on and off the court. It's damn hard not to love him and he certainly deserves every bit of that love. My point is that some Manu's fans should cool down and not take offense whenever someone say something a little negative, and justified, on Ginobili. SpursTalk loves Manu.

[DAF86]

he mad tbh
typically CoM post, topic is Manu and the automatic offended virgin take a jab at TP for no reason other than helping his hero. You are by far the biggest homer ever of this board :lol Manu>Dirk, I'm quite astonished that you didn't start a new Argentinean pope = God or something in the club.

I got to you, didn't I :lol.


Sorry for having a life and not responding to your post 1 hour ago.

And are you for real? We just beat your sorry ref assisted asses less than a day ago and you come here to talk shit about a loss in a b2b without arguably our three best players. (TD, TP, Leonard) :lol


Of course Manu isn't a liability but the Spurs would benefit of having Manu playing off the ball a bit more and giving Leonard a couple more playmaking oportunities per game.

Yeah, I'm so mad :lol. The only mad ones here are people like you that don't understand why Manu gets a pass for everything and Tony doesn't. :cry

[hater]

Well, Parker is fun to watch, clutch and was hated long before his divorce. Parker certainly didn't deserve to be as hated as he is by some posters.

Now, Ginobili is an awesome guy, on and off the court. It's damn hard not to love him and he certainly deserves every bit of that love. My point is that some Manu's fans should cool down and not take offense whenever someone say something a little negative, and justified, on Ginobili. SpursTalk loves Manu.

to be fair its pretty evident Tony hate comes from Tony getting the famous shrinking balls syndrome come playoff time. TP was a great playoff choker and that attributes to about 80% of the hate. In recent years he might have got over that, or maybe not, jury still out on that, but at least he is not as pathetic playoff performer.

Had TP raised his game in many occasions in the past the TP hate would be much much lower. manu was (keyword WAS) the compelte opposite and thus why he got so much more love.Manu raised his game to about 120% in playoffs and sometimes about 200% in clutch playoff time, TP either maintained 90% at best and droped to 55% in clutch.

still that does not give Manu fan the pass for thinking Ginobili is currently anything but a TOSB

[TMTTRIO]

I'll be happy to see Manu retire at the end of the season just to see all of these Tony vs. Manu threads go away. Don't worry Tony's more of a star and better player than Manu ever has been in this league.

[RD2191]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm9Y-vqZsEo

[therealtruth]

to be fair its pretty evident Tony hate comes from Tony getting the famous shrinking balls syndrome come playoff time. TP was a great playoff choker and that attributes to about 80% of the hate. In recent years he might have got over that, or maybe not, jury still out on that, but at least he is not as pathetic playoff performer.

Had TP raised his game in many occasions in the past the TP hate would be much much lower. manu was (keyword WAS) the compelte opposite and thus why he got so much more love.Manu raised his game to about 120% in playoffs and sometimes about 200% in clutch playoff time, TP either maintained 90% at best and droped to 55% in clutch.

still that does not give Manu fan the pass for thinking Ginobili is currently anything but a TOSB

Spot on. The coaching staff was disappointed with TP back in '11 when they got swept.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Well, Parker is fun to watch, clutch and was hated long before his divorce. Parker certainly didn't deserve to be as hated as he is by some posters.

Now, Ginobili is an awesome guy, on and off the court. It's damn hard not to love him and he certainly deserves every bit of that love. My point is that some Manu's fans should cool down and not take offense whenever someone say something a little negative, and justified, on Ginobili. SpursTalk loves Manu.

I started liking the Spurs a lot since watching Manu doing his thing on the court. But I have grown to like Parker over the years. He has belied every negative sentiment about him. He took a large pay-cut to play for the Spurs; improved his team both by his play on the court and by leadership; has been the most durable of the Spurs players, playing hurt if need be, and generally improving every aspect of his play consistently over the years.

Manu is more flashy and is a thrill to watch, but Parker has come up the real hard way, becoming the most under-appreciated superstar in the league.

And the best part is that Parker will continue to be a foundation for the Spurs for atleast a half-decade more as he leads the Spurs in the post-Duncan, post-Manu era very soon.

[ducks]

duh

[ducks]

My heart is aching every time they say something bad about Manu being this, being that...I simply don't care if Manu plays or not; just seeing him with the Spurs already gives me happiness...can't you see there's still a lot of number "20" in the stands...c'mon instead of bashing about his game and making hurtful comments might as well appreciate his presence on the team...Tim and Manu are the future coaches for the SPURS...TIM, TONY, and MANU...cased closed! LOL

manu is not what he was duncan is more duncan like after 2 or 3 days offf
duncan has not decline like manu
manu is only good at passing sometimes but there are times he forces to much and lots of turnovres

[ducks]

I started liking the Spurs a lot since watching Manu doing his thing on the court. But I have grown to like Parker over the years. He has belied every negative sentiment about him. He took a large pay-cut to play for the Spurs; improved his team both by his play on the court and by leadership; has been the most durable of the Spurs players, playing hurt if need be, and generally improving every aspect of his play consistently over the years.

Manu is more flashy and is a thrill to watch, but Parker has come up the real hard way, becoming the most under-appreciated superstar in the league.

And the best part is that Parker will continue to be a foundation for the Spurs for atleast a half-decade more as he leads the Spurs in the post-Duncan, post-Manu era very soon.



I liked the spurs the year before they got DAVID ROBINSON who is better then manu was in his prime

[letmk]

manu is not what he was duncan is more duncan like after 2 or 3 days offf
duncan has not decline like manu
manu is only good at passing sometimes but there are times he forces to much and lots of turnovres

Exactly, not all passes are "equal". When he cannot beat the defense with his dribble and/or penetration, Manu should stop attempting those leading-to-assist-but-very-risky-type passes. He needs to just pass to a less crowded teammate and looks for next round of attack from there.

[kaji157]

As said before Ginoibili is as of now (i mean with Parker out) the only spurs perimeter player that others team plan to defend. No team cares to stop green, neal or leonard. And still he has managed to get 10 assists and 14 points on 9 shots, all in 20 minutes. That´s nowhere bad.
Manu is obviously in a slump and yet to discover what his body can and cannot do, i bet he will adjust as he always did in the past.
Also it would be no surprise to me if Pop told him to slow down a bit given that he has had plenty of minor injuries this season, that would obviously translate in more TO and worse defense, but Ginobili is no way the only responsible for the recent defensive lapses.
If he is not forcing his body is obvious that the play will be less clean and as a result have more TO i think some here are overreacting the reality.

Which is, Ginobili is not 100% nor his body nor mental, and he is also on a shooting slump.

Still the guy can give you 10 dimes in 20 minutes while sucking.

As for Leonard, the league has yet to worry about what he can do, and that will inflate all his numbers.

[capek]

Well, Manu with his rhythm back is still hugely important to the Spurs. But I guess the angle from which you would best be able to argue that Kawhi has surpassed Manu is in the offensive potential Kawhi has shown over the last few weeks. If he's able to play like that in the playoffs (and he still has time this season to improve even further), he could really be a difference maker in the playoffs. By which I mean, we've had Manu play in great form in the playoffs a number of these past years, but it hasn't gotten us a championship. What we haven't had is a player like Kawhi has been the last few weeks. I guess it's not so much about him "surpassing" Manu at this point, more that his significance for this team might end up being greater than Manu's has been the last few playoffs.

[Brazil]

I got to you, didn't I :lol.



:lol I wanted to troll you all along


The only mad ones here are people like you that don't understand why Manu gets a pass for everything and Tony doesn't. :cry

Please explain to us why manu gets a pass for everything and tony doesn't other than tp fucking barry's wife. I, indeed, don't understand but I'm pretty sure with your help I will see the light.

and yeah I'm so mad that I spend my time here defending Manu even though I'm known as a tp homer.


To be back to the topic, of course Kawhi surpassed, the last weeks and overall for the RS, Manu. Is that definitive ? I don't think so. I somehow think Manu is preserving/coasting a bit during the RS. Dude was beasting just 6 month ago during the Olympics, he was playing great and had a terrific campaign, he didn't became old in 6 months. No way Manu can be productive anymore during the course of 82 games + POs but for a month of live or death tournament I'm sure he is capable to bring his A games a last time at least. Besides with all the attention that TP is drawing from opponents, Manu is flying a bit under radar, this could be positive for the Spurs.

At the end, Spurs will need a solid Manu, a MVP level TP and a vintage Tim to go somewhere as always.

I for one never wished Manu failing to praise my boy... typical behavior of someone being mad.

[DAF86]

Please explain to us why manu gets a pass for everything and tony doesn't other than tp fucking barry's wife. I, indeed, don't understand but I'm pretty sure with your help I will see the light.

Duh, 'cause Manu is a cool Latino and Tony is cocky French guy.

[Brazil]

Duh, 'cause Manu is a cool Latino and Tony is cocky French guy.

makes sense tbh

[rmt]

It's not like Manu is coasting - he is trying to play better but it hasn't happened yet. I don't write Manu off - it can happen at any minute. When it happens it's a thing of beauty as Manu playing well energizes the team like no one else. Am very concerned about his free-throws though. If he's going to have the ball in his hands at the end of playoff games, he must improve his free-throw. Don't know what's off with it. Usually even when his confidence is low, the free-throw is consistent - not this year. It's been above 86% for 6 years (86, 86, 88, 87, 87, 87) - this year 79% - that's quite a big drop off - even TD is higher than Manu this year.

[DarrinS]

lmao @ this thread. Seriously people?'

[Johnny RIngo]

Tonight:

Kawhi - 21 pts(9-14), 8 rebs, 2 stls, 2 blks, 2 TOs
Manu - 5 pts(2-9) , 4 rebs, 2 stls, 5 TOs

[Wildcat67]

I know something is wrong when down the stretch of regulation I was screaming at the TV "Why does Manu have the ball he's just gonna turn it over", and he immediately threw a bad pass to Timmy to turn it over.

[ElNono]

I know something is wrong when down the stretch of regulation I was screaming at the TV "Why does Manu have the ball he's just gonna turn it over", and he immediately threw a bad pass to Timmy to turn it over.

I bet you thought he was gonna miss that 3 pointer he nailed too...

[Wildcat67]

I bet you thought he was gonna miss that 3 pointer he nailed too...

No I thought he was well past due.

[siraulo23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpzD-j5sYdc

kawhi highlights vs jazz

[Mugen]

Still nowhere near the playmaker that Manu is but it's pretty close tbh.

[TMTTRIO]

no question. At this point Manu needs to be at the end of the bench. Although one thing that got me thinking is Manu has played sixth man all these years for his spark off the bench but I noticed in his last interview he talked about how hard it is coming in cold now from the bench. Do you think maybe he would be better starting then and also that would also make it where he had less responsibility out there? On the other hand Danny's playing well so we wouldn't want to interrupt his great play so I guess we'll keep it the same.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

3/22 vs UTH

Manu 5 pts 4 rb 1 ast 2-9 shooting 5 TO

I think the better question at this point is if Danny Green has passed Manu up.

[superjames1992]

One issue with Leonard is that he very rarely creates shots for others. That's okay. It is what it is, but he can't really be expected to lead an offense until he does this, tbh.

[racm]

One issue with Leonard is that he very rarely creates shots for others. That's okay. It is what it is, but he can't really be expected to lead an offense until he does this, tbh.

It will come once teams respect him on D.

[hater]

Good point. Maybe he needs to start. Id try that. But is it worth the risk of spoiling danny green?

[Sean Cagney]

Good point. Maybe he needs to start. Id try that. But is it worth the risk of spoiling danny green?

YES.... He needs to start.

[JingleJangleJingle]

3/22 vs UTH

Manu 5 pts 4 rb 1 ast 2-9 shooting 5 TO

I think the better question at this point is if Danny Green has passed Manu up.

lol

[rascal]

It's exciting to watch, and as the Beatles said, "nothing to get hung about," as long as Manu makes the necessary adjustment to his game and Pop creates a new place for him in the supporting cast.
Not surprised that Manu is the first of the Big 3 to decline so dramatically. Surely the Spurs are seeing the handwriting on the wall...right?

Nope. A 3 year contract is coming.

[dbreiden83080]

Yes and it's really not that close. Spurs need them both but the kid has surpassed the vet..

[dbreiden83080]

Nope. A 3 year contract is coming.

They need to let Manu walk or reduce his role, so Kahwi can take the next step.. 3 years is absurd..

[emanueldavidginobili]

Calling it now, Kawhi Leonard will be one of the best players to ever put on a Spurs jersey when its all said and done.

[BackHome]

Kawhi plays SF and Manu SG I would be a happy camper if both were great.

[chapnis]

Calling it now, Kawhi Leonard will be one of the best players to ever put on a Spurs jersey when its all said and done.

He won't be top 3, probably not even top 5 tbh.

[emanueldavidginobili]

He won't be top 3, probably not even top 5 tbh.

I agree I was talking top ten but you never know this guy is 21 years old