Messi or Lebron?

[DAF86]

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/weekenddime-130315-16/weekend-dime

[irishock]

Messi

[lefty]

Lebron


He has actually won something with his national team

[spurraider21]

Lebron


He has actually won something with his national team

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iky7tr_6Y4k

[Brunodf]

Lebron, he makes his teammates better

[apalisoc_9]

LMAOL

I understand that messi is considered as the best player in the world right now, but lebron is clearly much much more dominant on his sport than messi. I'd like to think that Ronaldo is a better comparison, he's just as good as messi, much more physical too.

Obviously when it comes to influence, i don't even think lebron is as influential as guys like falcao or aguero because clearly soccer is way way WAY more popular than the second most popular sport in the world .

[AussieFanKurt]

Is this a joke? Anyone who doesn't say Messi is an idiot. Messi is the best of all time and hasn't reached his prime

[lefty]

Is this a joke? Anyone who doesn't say Messi is an idiot. Messi is the best of all time and hasn't reached his prime
:lmao

[Venti Quattro]

Ronaldo cock suckers going all in :lmao

:lol lefty

[Mao Zedong]

I am. For Socialism!

(voted Messi, more fair for Lebron to compare him with Ronaldo)

[flipspursfan]

Ronaldo cock suckers going all in :lmao

:lol lefty (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6896)

True that :lol Tbh, Kobe's a more suitable comparison to Messi due to his offensive prowess, whereas Lebron's better compared to Ronaldo...

[Thebesteva]

Am I the only one that really enjoys the World Cup but doesnt watch soccer aside from that? I respect the hell out of Messi and Ronaldo but I never really follow the games

[AussieFanKurt]

:lmao

you like renaldo.. enough said tbh :lol

[Killakobe81]

Messi to dominate without the physical advantage is pretty crazy and sure his national team hasn't won but I thought titles were team.accomplishments ... Bipolarmotherfuckers

[Relevancy]

Messi, not even a question, wait, is it even one?:lol Messi has won everything, well except a World Cup, but to win a World Cup everything has to go right for you, you have to have other teammates step up etcc. Don't sit and tell me with a straight face and say that Messi has a chance against Germany or Spain as a whole, Argentina has to be excellent in all areas, but they're not, cough cough *Defense*. Messi has dominated more.

Why does everyone keep mentioning Ronaldo when they mention Messi..... I mean seriously? In 2013? You might have had reason to mention his name along with Messi's in 2008.. but after that its been all Messi. The one's who still mention his name are the one's that are his fan, any average Futbol fan will tell you Messi is the best.

[Relevancy]

Lebron, he makes his teammates betterFor gods sake, do people love trolling everytime?:lol

[Relevancy]

I am. For Socialism!

(voted Messi, more fair for Lebron to compare him with Ronaldo)I agree, Messi should be compared with Jordan really.

[jeebus]

Messi, not even a question, wait, is it even one?:lol Messi has won everything, well except a World Cup, but to win a World Cup everything has to go right for you, you have to have other teammates step up etcc. Don't sit and tell me with a straight face and say that Messi has a chance against Germany or Spain as a whole, Argentina has to be excellent in all areas, but they're not, cough cough *Defense*. Messi has dominated more.

Why does everyone keep mentioning Ronaldo when they mention Messi..... I mean seriously? In 2013? You might have had reason to mention his name along with Messi's in 2008.. but after that its been all Messi. The one's who still mention his name are the one's that are his fan, any average Futbol fan will tell you Messi is the best.
yeah but did Messi air a decision live on ESPN, make nike commercials explaining his being butthurt, do everything for the kids, and win a ch*mpionship with the help of his little friends?

[Relevancy]

ESPN just wants to elevate Lebron to God-like status, but what they don't know is that they pick the wrong guy, Messi's accolades speak for themselves.

[Relevancy]

yeah but did Messi air a decision live on ESPN, make nike commercials explaining his being butthurt, do everything for the kids, and win a ch*mpionship with the help of his little friends?:lol good one.

[jag]

Comparing that little midget to Lebron is an insult to Lebron. It's also an insult to Ronaldo, a beautiful and gifted soccer player (the best in the world) who hasnt been treated with growth hormone.

[Relevancy]

Comparing that little midget to Lebron is an insult to Lebron. It's also an insult to Ronaldo, a beautiful and gifted soccer player who hasnt been treated with growth hormone.I seriously laughed out loud when I read this, thanks for proving some comedy in this foggy Sunday morning:toast


By the way Jag, I suggest you watch this video, if you actually believe what you just wrote.
Opps edited wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbJYtyV1Q-g

I mean, when I was on a team as a child I wasn't dribbling past the whole other team:rolleyes

[ElNono]

Comparing that little midget to Lebron is an insult to Lebron. It's also an insult to Ronaldo, a beautiful and gifted soccer player (the best in the world) who hasnt been treated with growth hormone.

Doping, another area where Missi and Lebron overlap, not pointed out in the article, tbh

[oh crap]

messi

[ElNono]

I seriously laughed out loud when I read this, thanks for proving some comedy in this foggy Sunday morning:toast


By the way Jag, I suggest you watch this video, if you actually believe what you just wrote.
Opps edited wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbJYtyV1Q-g

I mean, when I was on a team as a child I wasn't dribbling past the whole other team:rolleyes

Iniesta and Xavi looking great in that vid :cry

[Relevancy]

Iniesta and Xavi looking great in that vid :cryYou could tell that Messi was already from another planet by watching that video, he had all the technical skills you can't teach an average Futbol player as a kid, simply amazing. I just feel like Messi should be held above everyone else, it's a shame he's still being compared to Ronaldo:lol Ronaldo out of all of them really!?


Did you also see what control of the ball he had at the end of the video Nono?:wow

[Relevancy]

Make no mistake, Ronald is a great one too, but I'm afraid he was just unlucky to have played during Messi's era.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't watch enough of the sport to make an argument, but I'm assuming Messi has probably dominated the World Cup tournaments, despite Argentina failing as a team, right?..

[Relevancy]

I don't watch enough of the sport to make an argument, but I'm assuming Messi has probably dominated the World Cup tournaments, despite Argentina failing as a team, right?..You should have stopped at the " I don't watch enough of the sport" son, to simply judge Messi by the World Cup alone is ignorant.

[HarlemHeat37]

I asked a question, I was looking for an answer:lol..

I guess that's a no?..

[HarlemHeat37]

Also, I didn't even know that he was a doper:lol..I just googled it and apparently it's common knowledge, I guess I should pay more attention, tbh..

Messi is more like Barry Bonds than Lebron, tbh..he's the best player of his generation and arguably all-time, but there should be an asterisk next to his accomplishments, obviously IMO..

I am a fan of Bonds, btw, he's the most entertaining baseball player of my lifetime, so I'm not hating on Messi..

[Relevancy]

^^I was actually looking to have a nice discussion with you Harlem, but since you said he's a "known" doper and you're comparing him to bonds I decided to do whatever I was doing.


Also, to anyone who appreciates the art of Futbol, I treat you with one of the best videos in youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en90CTJIzc4 :p: enjoy

[HarlemHeat37]

Bonds is arguably the greatest baseball player of all-time, and he was widely accused of HGH usage without any concrete proof during his playing days, tbh..it wasn't until after he retired that stories of positive tests and testimonies were released, tbh..

The difference between the two is that Messi is a likable guy with a cult following, while Bonds was vilified by the media and hated by the fans, tbh..

[Relevancy]

Bonds is arguably the greatest baseball player of all-time, and he was widely accused of HGH usage without any concrete proof during his playing days, tbh..it wasn't until after he retired that stories of positive tests and testimonies were released, tbh..

The difference between the two is that Messi is a likable guy with a cult following, while Bonds was vilified by the media and hated by the fans, tbh..Messi took HGH so he could grow a few inches.. I don't know how many times that can be said, Messi would have been 5ft and worthless to many top clubs just because he was short. Also, I spit my coffee when you said we're suppose to put asterisks next to his name just because of his growth disorder:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Messi took HGH so he could grow a few inches

Bonds took HGH so he could get a little stronger, tbh..

[jag]

lol midget pumped full of hgh.

You now who didnt need hgh to grow above 4'10"?








The best player in the world
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/244678/cristiano-ronaldo-o.gif

[Texas_Ranger]

Messi's got Xavi and Iniesta and LeBron's got Wade and Bosh.

[King Emmanuel]

:lmao of course that Ronaldo gif ends with a dive

[ffadicted]

Is this a joke? Anyone who doesn't say Messi is an idiot. Messi is the best of all time and hasn't reached his prime

lmao no

[FkLA]

Had no idea Messi literally is a midget without the HGH. Dont think its a big deal as long as it wasnt taken recently though tbh.

[Brunodf]

Is this a joke? Anyone who doesn't say Messi is an idiot. Messi is the best of all time and hasn't reached his prime
:lmaoFringe top 10 at best. 0 WCs son

[Brunodf]

Messi's got Xavi and Iniesta and LeBron's got Wade and Bosh.
At least Lebron is the centerpiece tbh...

[King Emmanuel]

:lmao Messi greatest of all time

[HarlemHeat37]

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[Koolaid_Man]

Lebron


He has actually won something with his national team

Not that I have anything against Le`brone but I find myself forced to go with Messi...because even though Le`brone won with his national team he didn't win gold until Kobe showed up...once he proves (2016) he can win gold without Kobe then I may give it to him...until then it's Messi

[Relevancy]

lmao noMany experts will like to have a word with you.
But Messi is still not the best player of all time, he still has a long way to go and he's barely 25..

[Relevancy]

:lmao Messi greatest of all timeNot the greatest, but whether you like it or not, he will be as long as he doesn't get some freak injury.

[Relevancy]

At least Lebron is the centerpiece tbh...Have you ever heard of the concept called "team work"?

[Relevancy]

Anyways, off to watch a historic team and a historic player in action, you know, because those two are seen so often

[HarlemHeat37]

I didn't say Messi wasn't a historic player, he's already one of the best in history, obviously..he is up there with the great players of our sports era, such as Bonds and Lance Armstrong, tbh..historical figures..

[Koolaid_Man]

Not that I have anything against Le`brone but I find myself forced to go with Messi...because even though Le`brone won with his national team he didn't win gold until Kobe showed up...once he proves (2016) he can win gold without Kobe then I may give it to him...until then it's Messi

[DeadlyDynasty]

I didn't say Messi wasn't a historic player, he's already one of the best in history, obviously..he is up there with the great players of our sports era, such as Bonds and Lance Armstrong, tbh..historical figures..

The subtle goods

[Killakobe81]

I didn't say Messi wasn't a historic player, he's already one of the best in history, obviously..he is up there with the great players of our sports era, such as Bonds and Lance Armstrong, tbh..historical figures..

Ha, Im with DD I see what you did there ... but one can easyily point a finger at your loverboy Lebron as a prime PED suspect ...

[Brazil]

I don't watch enough of the sport to make an argument, but I'm assuming Messi has probably dominated the World Cup tournaments, despite Argentina failing as a team, right?..

Harlem with the subtle goods :lol

[jag]

:lmao of course that Ronaldo gif ends with a dive

He was chopped down from behind by a frustrated defender. If Messi were tall enough to stepover the ball, he'd be stunting on dudes like that too.

[Brazil]

Is this a joke? Anyone who doesn't say Messi is an idiot. Messi is the best of all time and hasn't reached his prime

:lmao he isn't the greatest of all time in his own country tbh... But he is just short 2 WCs and one scudetto with trash team to be.... It's already a great achievement.

[ElNono]

I didn't say Messi wasn't a historic player, he's already one of the best in history, obviously..he is up there with the great players of our sports era, such as Bonds and Lance Armstrong, tbh..historical figures..

Don't sell your boy Lebron short, tbh... he's high up there with the rest of them...

[ElNono]

He was chopped down from behind by a frustrated defender. If Messi were tall enough to stepover the ball, he'd be stunting on dudes like that too.

I think Ronaldo is phenomenal too, tbh... a bit too insecure, but a great footballer no doubt...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WXKviPaUhbo/To2LA-oqJEI/AAAAAAAAai0/vY2FsBgz458/s1600/cristiano-ronaldo.gif

[Bynumite]

Lebron deserved his MVP, the midget won his latest ballon d'or because people don't know the difference between a scoring title and an MVP trophy :lol

[ElNono]

Lebron deserved his MVP, the midget won his latest ballon d'or because people don't know the difference between a scoring title and an MVP trophy :lol

I couldn't read this since I was distracted by Messi scoring his second goal of the afternoon... what was that again? :lol

[Bynumite]

... what was that again?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208998&page=2&p=6337741&viewfull=1#post6337741 :toast

[Relevancy]

I couldn't read this since I was distracted by Messi scoring his second goal of the afternoon... what was that again? :lolBarcelona has looked like the old Barca so far in this game, tbh.

[ElNono]

Lebron deserved his MVP, the midget won his latest ballon d'or because people don't know the difference between a scoring title and an MVP trophy :lol

To be fair, Nash has two MVPs so the ridiculousness of MVP voting exist on every sport, tbh

[DAF86]

Lebron


He has actually won something with his national team

You mean like a Gold medal? :lol


http://www.blaugranas.com/media/galeria/25/9/9/5/6/n_f_c_barcelona_lionel_messi-36599.jpg

[whitemamba]

diego forlan>lebron

[DAF86]

So I let all of you have some fun for a little while now I'm gonna lay down the truth.

It's really difficult to compare the sports 'cause basketball players in general have more responsabilites, it's only logical.

With that said it's clearly Messi, Messi at age 25 has a serious case as the greatest player of all time. He has improved his numbers year after year and what he did last season of breaking Muller's record was unthinkable, it was like breaking Wilt's record of 50 ppg on a season on this modern era, and this year he's on pace to breaking his own record again. He regularly leads the scoring and assisting tables on Europe. And when it's all said and done he will have pretty much every individual record there is on football.

[lefty]

Ronaldo cock suckers going all in :lmao

:lol lefty

It has nothing to do with Faggonaldo

Come on now

Lebron is the Alpha Male

Messi is more like Kobe

Iniesta and Xavi carry him to championships :lmao

[Killakobe81]

It has nothing to do with Faggonaldo

Come on now

Lebron is the Alpha Male

Messi is more like Kobe

Iniesta and Xavi carry him to championships :lmao

Every great player needs help ... Lebron included. LOL Kobe was carried to all 5 titles ...

[lefty]

Every great player needs help ... Lebron included. LOL Kobe was carried to all 5 titles ...
6/24 :lol

[Killakobe81]

6/24 = 16 (lakers titles) all that matters it also = ...

5>4 ... tee, hee

[redzero]

Well, seeing as soccer isn't a real sport, LeBron.

[Latarian Milton]

it's a tough call i guess since both players have achieved massive successes in their professions respectively. but if i have to pick one i would go with my nigga bron because my nigga isn't trapped in a little bitch's body and my nigga never acts like a drama queen like the little argentinian midget usually does.

on the other hand, messi is pretty overrated. he just benefits from playing on a great team (barcelona) where he gets the most highlights (since he plays an attacking role) while the real cornerstone of this team is xavi, or sometimes iniesta. there's a reason this team has been playing so bad recently w/o xavi, and the midget has also been suffering sort of a scoring drought w/o xavi delivering him assists from the midfield. it's for a similar reason that he has never achieved any legit successes with his national team (dude did win the olympic medal but who gives a shit about olympics?)

furthermore, messi is the durant of soccer. refs will do everything to protect him like he's a pregnant princess and they'll show you the yellow card for breathing at him, which makes him untouchable when he's on the ball so that he can even dribble into the goal if he wants to, with refs escorting his ass all the way

[DAF86]

it's a tough call i guess since both players have achieved massive successes in their professions respectively. but if i have to pick one i would go with my nigga bron because my nigga isn't trapped in a little bitch's body and my nigga never acts like a drama queen like the little argentinian midget usually does.

on the other hand, messi is pretty overrated. he just benefits from playing on a great team (barcelona) where he gets the most highlights (since he plays an attacking role) while the real cornerstone of this team is xavi, or sometimes iniesta. there's a reason this team has been playing so bad recently w/o xavi, and the midget has also been suffering sort of a scoring drought w/o xavi delivering him assists from the midfield. it's for a similar reason that he has never achieved any legit successes with his national team (dude did win the olympic medal but who gives a shit about olympics?)

furthermore, messi is the durant of soccer. refs will do everything to protect him like he's a pregnant princess and they'll show you the yellow card for breathing at him, which makes him untouchable when he's on the ball so that he can even dribble into the goal if he wants to, with refs escorting his ass all the way

Xavi hasn't missed any recent/important match and Messi is on an 18 games scoring streak. :lol

[irishock]

6/24 = 16 (lakers titles) all that matters it also = ...

5>4 ... tee, hee

:lmao still counting the 5 Minnesota titles

[mercos]

Hard to argue against Lebron right now. He is unquestionably the best player in basketball, likely on his way to a second consecutive championship. He has a real shot of being considered the greatest basketball player of all time by the time his career is over. Lebron is winning everything right now: awards, championships, Olympic medals, 22 straight games. He is at the pinnacle.

[AussieFanKurt]

Lol calling out messi for drugs. Have you not seen lebrons hairline..

[Jodelo]

it's a tough call i guess since both players have achieved massive successes in their professions respectively. but if i have to pick one i would go with my nigga bron because my nigga isn't trapped in a little bitch's body and my nigga never acts like a drama queen like the little argentinian midget usually does.

on the other hand, messi is pretty overrated. he just benefits from playing on a great team (barcelona) where he gets the most highlights (since he plays an attacking role) while the real cornerstone of this team is xavi, or sometimes iniesta. there's a reason this team has been playing so bad recently w/o xavi, and the midget has also been suffering sort of a scoring drought w/o xavi delivering him assists from the midfield. it's for a similar reason that he has never achieved any legit successes with his national team (dude did win the olympic medal but who gives a shit about olympics?)

furthermore, messi is the durant of soccer. refs will do everything to protect him like he's a pregnant princess and they'll show you the yellow card for breathing at him, which makes him untouchable when he's on the ball so that he can even dribble into the goal if he wants to, with refs escorting his ass all the way

Truth bomb.

[Relevancy]

Truth bomb.Of course you would agree with him, I mean, you're a Madrid fan and whenever Messi plays against you guys he always ruin your party, except for the 2 last games

[Relevancy]

I'm seriously starting to ask myself if some of you are trolling or not, I mean, how can anyone question mark what Messi has done so far at such a young age.

[99 Problems]

How can you apply any serious analysis. Basketball v Soccer?

Messi, essentially only has to play offence, whilst LeBrian is expected to play O & D. LeBrian could score zillions more points if that was his only focus. Lets face it there are 50 players league wise who would win the scoring title if they had the green light to put up a Kobe 33 shots a night. How many points a game would Patty Mills put up if Pop said Patty I want 33 shots each game. Messi has that green offence light.

Talking purely Soccer now, Messi is not just the best but the GOAT. Sorry defenders (Franco Baresi, you still the best). The best defenders in the world are unable to stop him. Pele, Maradona, Van Basten, all amazing but Messi is from another planet. Van Basten was near unstoppable until the hard men of the Serie A crunched his ankles to mush, but Messi is so nimble there is no stopping him.

[HarlemHeat37]

Talking purely Soccer now, Messi is not just the best but the GOAT*

Fixed it for you, tbh..

[hater]

messi still chokes when it matters. the World cup. not to mention the star quality in Barcelona is closer to the US Dream Team than to the 2013 Heat.

[hater]

Lefty hits the ball out of the park with the Messi to Kobe comparisons. They are on similar level. Both still haven't proven they can win it all on their own.

Prime Maradona > Messi each and everyday.

324UsTQsHAM

wake me up when Messi does that throughout an entire World Cup tournament

[Samuel Eto'o]

So I let all of you have some fun for a little while now I'm gonna lay down the truth.

It's really difficult to compare the sports 'cause basketball players in general have more responsabilites, it's only logical.

With that said it's clearly Messi, Messi at age 25 has a serious case as the greatest player of all time. He has improved his numbers year after year and what he did last season of breaking Muller's record was unthinkable, it was like breaking Wilt's record of 50 ppg on a season on this modern era, and this year he's on pace to breaking his own record again. He regularly leads the scoring and assisting tables on Europe. And when it's all said and done he will have pretty much every individual record there is on football.

What are your thoughts on Messi using HGH to give himself an advantage?

[DAF86]

What are your thoughts on Messi using HGH to give himself an advantage?

I'm pretty glad about that, tbh.

[Brunodf]

:lmaothis thread. Lebron already won everything...

[Latarian Milton]

How can you apply any serious analysis. Basketball v Soccer?

Messi, essentially only has to play offence, whilst LeBrian is expected to play O & D. LeBrian could score zillions more points if that was his only focus. Lets face it there are 50 players league wise who would win the scoring title if they had the green light to put up a Kobe 33 shots a night. How many points a game would Patty Mills put up if Pop said Patty I want 33 shots each game. Messi has that green offence light.

Talking purely Soccer now, Messi is not just the best but the GOAT. Sorry defenders (Franco Baresi, you still the best). The best defenders in the world are unable to stop him. Pele, Maradona, Van Basten, all amazing but Messi is from another planet. Van Basten was near unstoppable until the hard men of the Serie A crunched his ankles to mush, but Messi is so nimble there is no stopping him.
it's basically impossible for any defender or any team defense to stop him when the ref would call it a foul for just breathing at him, and the midget would've already retired by his 23rd birday w/o refs giving him special care each and every minute in the field. soccer is more of a business than a sport and might be even more rigged than NBA tbh. messi is a good player but he's not really that good as the FIFA want you to think he is, at the very least midget needs to win a world cup with his national team to justify all the hypes and admirations, which he'll never do.

[DAF86]

:lmaothis thread. Lebron already won everything...

Is like ∞ times easier to win everything on the NBA than in football/soccer.

[hater]

to be fair Messi might not even need to win a World Cup to be in GOAT conversation

But how about dominating a World Cup though? being best player or at least top 3 in a WC and getting the golden boot? at least do that

he hasn't even dominated a single WC elimination game :lol

[DAF86]

to be fair Messi might not even need to win a World Cup to be in GOAT conversation

But how about dominating a World Cup though? being best player or at least top 3 in a WC and getting the golden boot? at least do that

he hasn't even dominated a single WC elimination game :lol

He played ONE WC as a starter and at age 23.

[hater]

He played ONE WC as a starter and at age 23.

true. and got raped by Germany. thus no GOAT

[Brunodf]

Is like ∞ times easier to win everything on the NBA than in football/soccer.
If you truly are the best, you have to win the best tournaments/cup

[DAF86]

true. and got raped by Germany. thus no GOAT

Maradona got red carded and eliminated when he played a WC at that age.

[hater]

Maradona got red carded and eliminated when he played a WC at that age.

and he was no GOAT then either

[DAF86]

If you truly are the best, you have to win the best tournaments/cup

Not true, specially not in a sport where you can play much better than the rival on a certain game and still lose. And in a single elimination game tournament that its played every 4 years it's even less true.

[hater]

Not true, specially not in a sport where you can play much better than the rival on a certain game and still lose. And in a single elimination game tournament that its played every 4 years it's even less true.

so in your opinion winning NCAA tournament > winning NBA championship :rolleyes

[lefty]

He played ONE WC as a starter and at age 23.
And he will retire with 0 wc :lol

[ElNono]

And he will retire with 0 wc :lol

He won't beat Milan either, tbh....






... oh wait :lol

[DAF86]

so in your opinion winning NCAA tournament > winning NBA championship :rolleyes

How do you take that out of what I said? Seriously.

[99 Problems]

Further to my earlier post.

Too much weight given to the World Cup. Look at it in the following way

If MJ or LeBrian never win a FIBA World Cup does that automatically reflect on their greatest arguments? No it does not, not remotely. Messi's greatness need only be based on his la liga & Champions League games.

Lastly Messi does have a great support cast, but great players almost always do eg: Ronaldo, LBJ, MJ, Kobe

[DAF86]

Besides the WC/NBA championship comparisson isn't fair.

In soccer if you're stuck on a bad national team you're fucked 'cause there's nothing you can do. In the NBA you can leave your team and join two other superstars, for example.

[hater]

How do you take that out of what I said? Seriously.


Not true, specially not in a sport where you can play much better than the rival on a certain game and still lose. And in a single elimination game tournament that its played every 4 years it's even less true.

[DAF86]

On basketball is very difficult if not impossible to lose a game when you play better than your opponent and then there's the little detail of the WC being played once every 4 years which gives a player the chance to win it only 3 or 4 times in your career max.

[benefactor]

Well, seeing as soccer isn't a real sport, LeBron.
:tu

[hater]

On basketball is very difficult if not impossible to lose a game when you play better than your opponent and then there's the little detail of the WC being played once every 4 years which gives a player the chance to win it only 3 or 4 times in your career max.

huh? ever heard of the refs? they can affect and NBA game as bad as FIFA refs. Maybe more since there's more involvement.

again, IMO Messi doesn't even have to win one. He needs to dominate one and be the MVP of one and take his team to at least the semis. that hasn't happened yet.

[ginobili's bald spot]

What has Messi accomplished when he's not playing with one of the best midfields ever?

[DAF86]

What has Messi accomplished when he's not playing with one of the best midfields ever?

A gold medal, an U-20 Coapa America and WC (beating on the road many of his teammates on Barcelona), got to the final of the Copa America and currently leads the qualifiers in South America. Is not like he had many chances to play without said midfield, tbh.

[hater]

A gold medal, an U-20 Coapa America

:lol you know the level of competition is shit on those. those olympics I believe Argentina send their A team while everyone else sent their B

[Arcadian]

Admittedly I don't watch soccer, but how can anyone think Lebron would be a bad answer? He's won 3 MVPs, will be winning his 4th soon, and is being compared to Michael Jordan in his dominance of the game. So clearly you can't go wrong either way.

[Latarian Milton]

A gold medal, an U-20 Coapa America and WC (beating on the road many of his teammates on Barcelona), got to the final of the Copa America and currently leads the qualifiers in South America. Is not like he had many chances to play without said midfield, tbh.
brazil has been suffering with poor form in recent years so leading in south america ain't really much of an achievement as it sounds like tbh, and no one gives a double shits about the olympics soccer games especially when the games were held in beijing. olympic soccer games might be the least significant of all global football tournaments tbh, even n!ggers and be@ners have won the olympic gold medals

[Brazil]

so now for Messi's cheer leaders, WC is not that important :lmao

In soccer WC is the only thing that REALLY matter tbh

[Brunodf]

brazil has been suffering with poor form in recent years so leading in south america ain't really much of an achievement as it sounds like tbh, and no one gives a double shits about the olympics soccer games especially when the games were held in beijing. olympic soccer games might be the least significant of all global football tournaments tbh, even n!ggers and be@ners have won the olympic gold medals
Brazil isn't in the qualifiers, they will host the WC

[Relevancy]

To anyone who says Messi is irrelevant when he plays with his National Team I suggest you tune in tomorrow to watch Argentina vs Venezuela, tbh.

[spurraider21]

U-20 :lol

so, high school?

[DAF86]

U-20 :lol

so, high school?

In soccer most guys are already professionals at that age, Messi's debut was at age 16.

[hater]

In soccer most guys are already professionals at that age, Messi's debut was at age 16.

sorry but "professionals"? you mean youngsters playing in division B of a club?

yeah the players from the Toros are also "professionals" like that

[ElNono]

sorry but "professionals"? you mean youngsters playing in division B of a club?

yeah the players from the Toros are also "professionals" like that

He's talking A teams... Messi had his professional Barcelona first-team debut at age 16. Although he became full part of the professional roster at age 17.

He actually played for division B Barca at age 15.

He's a rare case though. Most players become professional in the 18-20 year old range.

[hater]

Messi is a phenom and probably most dangerous forward in history. But he still has a way to go to call him GOAT. He does not have the playmaking ability of the greatests including El Cebollita

[ElNono]

Messi is a phenom and probably most dangerous forward in history. But he still has a way to go to call him GOAT. He does not have the playmaking ability of the greatests including El Cebollita

I would agree that netting a WC would catapult him to the 'no-doubt' territory. Objectively, he plays against WC-quality competition year round. But titles always count, that's just how it is.

I hate the GOAT argument. Soccer, just like basketball, changed over time. Pele was padding stats in Brazil and had tremendous teammates. Maradona played in an era where players would get kicked the living shit out of them.

I think they're all greats at their respective times.

[hater]

in closing wake me up when Messi has a highlight like this in youtube wearing his national colors, oh and with his own song playing in the bg

1Cembr3gvPE

[hater]

I would agree that netting a WC would catapult him to the 'no-doubt' territory. Objectively, he plays against WC-quality competition year round. But titles always count, that's just how it is.

I hate the GOAT argument. Soccer, just like basketball, changed over time. Pele was padding stats in Brazil and had tremendous teammates. Maradona played in an era where players would get kicked the living shit out of them.

I think they're all greats at their respective times.

well sorry to say Messi's performances in his national team have been anemic at best and it seems he rolls better in the Rolls Royce that is Barcelona. Until he shows he can take the cookie from jar like the greatest players have done, he is not even in the conversation. He has shown no balls and 7 out of 10 argentines will agree on that one.

yeah he's a great league player but that don't mean shit when you're talking GOAT

[ElNono]

in closing wake me up when Messi has a highlight like this in youtube wearing his national colors, oh and with his own song playing in the bg

1Cembr3gvPE

And he did most of that high as fuck on cocaine too... impressive, tbh

[DAF86]

well sorry to say Messi's performances in his national team have been anemic at best and it seems he rolls better in the Rolls Royce that is Barcelona. Until he shows he can take the cookie from jar like the greatest players have done, he is not even in the conversation. He has shown no balls and 7 out of 10 argentines will agree on that one.

yeah he's a great league player but that don't mean shit when you're talking GOAT

Last year Messi tied Argentina's NT recors for most goals in a calendar year (Batistuta), is on pace of breaking the all-time record for goals scored with the NT and 9 out of 10 Argies love Messi but go ahead and keep making shit up maybe something will stick.

[hater]

And he did most of that high as fuck on cocaine too... impressive, tbh

:lmao you can say that about any old soccer great. you seriously don't think the entire German team was on some heavy roids??? :lol

nobody knows really, so why cry about it?

[hater]

Last year Messi tied Argentina's NT recors for most goals in a calendar year (Batistuta), is on pace of breaking the all-time record for goals scored with the NT and 9 out of 10 Argies love Messi but go ahead and keep making shit up maybe something will stick.

booooring....

Diego Forlan has a better WC career than Messi.

[ElNono]

well sorry to say Messi's performances in his national team have been anemic at best and it seems he rolls better in the Rolls Royce that is Barcelona. Until he shows he can take the cookie from jar like the greatest players have done, he is not even in the conversation. He has shown no balls and 7 out of 10 argentines will agree on that one.

I would disagree with that assessment, especially since the Copa America. He's been tits in the NT, sometimes as good as the best barca version, and clearly the best NT player. But it's obvious the jury will still be out until ARG wins something.


:lmao you can say that about any old soccer great. you seriously don't think the entire German team was on some heavy roids??? :lol

nobody knows really, so why cry about it?

I wasn't hating, I was recognizing, tbh...

[hater]

you brought the drugs topic. Please don't tell me you believe the other teams were clean. especially the Germans which dominated back then.

I just don't understand how you dismiss the achievements of the guy that made the world forget Argentina won the 1978 at gunpoint :rolleyes

[ElNono]

you brought the drugs topic. Please don't tell me you believe the other teams were clean. especially the Germans which dominated back then.

I just don't understand how you dismiss the achievements of the guy that made the world forget Argentina won the 1978 at gunpoint :rolleyes

I'm a Diego the player fan, tbh... I don't dismiss anything. I brought up the cocaine to emphasize he actually did all that while being actually handicapped by the cocaine abuse. There's simply much better performance enhancing drugs if that's what he was trying to do. Dude was simply a party maniac back then and would hit the coke all day long.

And yeah, I agree back then during the 80's everybody was doing it, no doubt.

[hater]

cool. just saying 2 different stories.

Maradona story is more like Rocky, dude came from shit and fought for everything.

Messi is more like Ivan Drago. Dude was moved to an Ivory Tower at young age and hasn't come out since.

But I will give props to Messi if he can show his heart in a WC and carry his team against odds. That hasn't happened yet.

one thing I'll say, if Messi had nationalized himself Spaniard and had 2 WC in his belt, he'd be the undisputed best ever. That's how the dice roll.

[Splits]

The problem with the "WC don't matter", besides it being bullshit, is that he didn't even score the whole tourney. If that happens again then he's a choker.

[99 Problems]

Diego had a wonderful side around him in Mexico in 86'. Although he could not score in the final, a number of team mates showed what wonderful talents they were and played exceptional football to get the Argies over the line. 90' it took a German penalty to defeat the Argies. Tactically both teams were sound, there's no getting to the final if ya not.

Messi was the middle piece of a great offence but that's all really and Diego was manager and Diego is no Phil Jackson or Pop.

[Relevancy]

Argentina vs Venezuela today, for anyone that actually wants to see the reality of Messi on his NT

[Brazil]

And he did most of that high as fuck on cocaine too... impressive, tbh

This what is scary about Maradona, if this dude had just a normal work ethic, Pele wouldn't be even in the discussion when speaking about being GOAT. When you think his worst years of decadency were when he was playing for Napoli and he lead a bunch of scrubs to 2 scudetti that's supernatural. At that time dude had the lifestyle of the biggest drug addict rock stars on earth.

It's sad to see what Diego has become tbh

[Brazil]

Argentina vs Venezuela today, for anyone that actually wants to see the reality of Messi on his NT

yeah because Venezuela is the right team to see what Messi is capable of :lol

[Relevancy]

yeah because Venezuela is the right team to see what Messi is capable of :lolHe can be a difference maker versus any opposing NT, stop kidding yourself:rolleyes you can live with what happened in the past, or you can get with the program and see what a difference maker Messi has been during the Sabella era.

*waits for him to say the game against Germany didn't count because it was a friendly

[Brazil]

He can be a difference maker versus any opposing NT, stop kidding yourself:rolleyes you can live with what happened in the past, or you can get with the program and see what a difference maker Messi has been during the Sabella era.

*waits for him to say the game against Germany didn't count because it was a friendly

this makes no sense at all tbh

"He can be a difference maker versus any opposing NT" duh, this is exactly my point... so if someone actually wants to see the reality of Messi better choose a better opponent than Venezuela

[Relevancy]

this makes no sense at all tbh

"He can be a difference maker versus any opposing NT" duh, this is exactly my point... so if someone actually wants to see the reality of Messi better choose a better opponent than VenezuelaDid you forget about the Germany game and Uruguay game.. I remember Messi creating some damage there:lol

By the way, Venezuela beat Argentina the last time they met, so I'm pretty sure Messi and Argentina have a lot to prove in this game.

[Jodelo]

Did you forget about the Germany game and Uruguay game.. I remember Messi creating some damage there:lol

By the way, Venezuela beat Argentina the last time they met, so I'm pretty sure Messi and Argentina have a lot to prove in this game.

Germany with a B-Team and with 10 men for quite some time there...

[Relevancy]

Germany with a B-Team and with 10 men for quite some time there...What did Ronaldo do today against Israel by the way:lmao The gap between number 1 and two has no ending point, really amazing how much better Messi is when you compare him to anyone who's currently playing.

[ElNono]

Venezuela is underrated, tbh... they're currently tied for 4th place with Uruguay and Chile... should be a good game.

[Jodelo]

What did Ronaldo do today against Israel by the way:lmao The gap between number 1 and two has no ending point, really amazing how much better Messi is when you compare him to anyone who's currently playing.

Why did you change the subject to Ronaldo?

And, no!

[Relevancy]

Venezuela is underrated, tbh... they're currently tied for 4th place with Uruguay and Chile... should be a good game.Yes but according to everyone's logic Messi needs to play versus Spain or Germany every time:cry

[hater]

Ven is not bad. But in WC, its round 1 elimination fodder

[Brazil]

Did you forget about the Germany game and Uruguay game.. I remember Messi creating some damage there:lol

By the way, Venezuela beat Argentina the last time they met, so I'm pretty sure Messi and Argentina have a lot to prove in this game.

you still don't get it

[Relevancy]

By the way Spain plays right now, a must watch:hungry:

[Brazil]

By the way Spain plays right now, a must watch:hungry:

:lol Spain

[Relevancy]

:lol Spain:sleep the game was, too much possession from Spain but they only scored one goal:lol

[ElNono]

Ven is not bad. But in WC, its round 1 elimination fodder

yeah, they look like the current Lakers, tbh

[KL2]

Lebron easily. Dominating a sport in the greatest country on earth>>>>dominating some pansy ass, flopping, euro sport that has been made popular by 3rd world countries.

[NASpurs]

Lebron easily. Dominating a sport in the greatest country on earth>>>>dominating some pansy ass, flopping, euro sport that has been made popular by 3rd world countries.

Totally educated unbiased opinion from this guy :tu

[hater]

I'm a Diego the player fan, tbh... I don't dismiss anything. I brought up the cocaine to emphasize he actually did all that while being actually handicapped by the cocaine abuse. There's simply much better performance enhancing drugs if that's what he was trying to do.

not sure there's a better instant performance drug than coke. no way it was a handicap. it's one hell of a drug

of course the chances of getting an in game heart attack increase by about 1000% but it seems these professional athletes can take it for the most part

[ElNono]

not sure there's a better instant performance drug than coke. no way it was a handicap. it's one hell of a drug

of course the chances of getting an in game heart attack increase by about 1000% but it seems these professional athletes can take it for the most part

yeah, but nigga was doing coke and fathering bastard children every day :lol

[Latarian Milton]

Last year Messi tied Argentina's NT recors for most goals in a calendar year (Batistuta), is on pace of breaking the all-time record for goals scored with the NT and 9 out of 10 Argies love Messi but go ahead and keep making shit up maybe something will stick.
yes and no imho, it's true that the current argentinian team has a shitty defensive line which ain't comparable to that one diego had during his time. samuel is well past his prime and injury prone, same goes for demichellis. zanetti is still a solid player but he's already 39yr something old :lol.

on the other hand, however, they O should've made it up for the deficiency at the defensive end imho. they have the world's best & deepest talents at forwards and wings with guys like aguerro, tevez, higuain, diego millito... just to name a few, and their midfield ain't all that bad either (surely not barcelona quality though). at least this team could've made the final 4 on world cup with ease imho. messi participated in two world cups already and he failed both times miserably

[DAF86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFZj1mXwogI

Let's see Lebron do this, tbh.

[Lincoln]

Messis sport and position takes a lot of skill, rather than just being a tall athletic nig like lebron is.

With that being said, I wouldn't wanna be a short 5'7 flopping faggot

[baseline bum]

Why are we comparing some stupid Mexican to the greatest basketball player in the world?

[HarlemHeat37]

Messis sport and position takes a lot of skill, rather than just being a tall athletic nig like lebron is.

With that being said, I wouldn't wanna be a short 5'7 flopping faggot

I agree, tbh..

I played in an advanced rec soccer league for the first time this Summer, and the skill it requires to succeed can't be underestimated, tbh..I was decent because of my speed, but the experienced players in the league were impossible to steal the ball from, their control was phenomenal, tbh..

Basketball obviously requires a lot of skill, especially compared to most other pro sports, but genetics dictate your potential more than any other sport, tbh..

[DAF86]

Messis sport and position takes a lot of skill, rather than just being a tall athletic nig like lebron is.

With that being said, I wouldn't wanna be a short 5'7 flopping faggot

If I could hit something like this, I wouldn't mind being a 5'7 midget, tbh.


http://www.diariofemenino.com/pictures/fotos/45000/45141-antonella-roccuzzo-la-novia-de-leo-messi-en-la-cena-del-fc-barcelona.jpg

[Brazil]

:lol daf sucking Messi dick per par

[lefty]

:lol daf sucking Messi dick per par

Il vit par procuration

[Clipper Nation]

:lol LeBron haters voting for some faggot soccer player just because he's not LeBron

[Rogue]

Midget escaped tax duties and he's really lucky to not have been put in prison yet tbh. And without Xavi/Iniesta spoon feeding him the damn ball from midfield, his impact on the game would be fairly reflected by his size imho.