View Full Version : "He who shall not be named" ?
wtgspurs
03-20-2013, 11:07 PM
I've been new to Spurstalk for a couple of months now, like 1 month after the season began and after reading several posts i come across the term "He who shall not be named" several times . I'm thinking that it is Richard Jefferson, the 6'7 SF that used to play for San Antonio not too recently...but i don't know much about him as i've just started watching Spurs game since last year playoffs, before that, it was in 2007 when they won championships. But the big question is...what did he do to deserve the title? I think i've seen him on a Team USA poster before, his performance can't be that bad if he's up to TEAM USA standards... im just wondering what could it be that makes you Spurs fan degrade him so much. Can someone give me the run down??? Line me up here...
DesignatedT
03-20-2013, 11:11 PM
The Spurs still attract NEW fans? Interesting.
capek
03-20-2013, 11:14 PM
He's negatively associated with the championship drought because he was the one real big signing we had during that time, and he really didn't pan out. Not much more to it than that. When you're a fan of a team that has won 50+ games for 14 (really 16) straight seasons, you have to find something to be negative about. More an inside joke than anything.
SpurPadre
03-20-2013, 11:15 PM
When we got him, he was supposed to be the one missing link we had been missing from the wing from an offensive perspective since Sean Elliott retired and he turned out to be a soft, lazy BUST. He blew the simplest assignments and even the athleticism he was known for, was rarely shown when he donned a Spurs uniform. Although I still think this title is more appropriate to the one I call a red-headed piece of SHIT who becomes the most worthless excuse of a basketball player in the playoffs.
When we got him, he was supposed to be the one missing link we had been missing from the wing from an offensive perspective since Sean ****** retired and he turned out to be a soft, lazy BUST. He blew the simplest assignments and even the athleticism he was known for, was rarely shown when he donned a Spurs uniform. Although I still think this title is more appropriate to the one I call a red-headed piece of SHIT who becomes the most worthless excuse of a basketball player in the playoffs.
Come now, while Bonner is a playoff choker he sticks to what he does well: stick 3s in the regular season.
RJ was brought in as a fourth option to complement the Big 3 because all of the other contenders were stacking up (Lakers brought in Gasol, Celtics won a ring by trading for KG and Allen, then the year after the Heatles joined together) and... he was outplayed by George Hill a lot. It got to the point where he never closed out games (the Spurs went small to close out games in those days, with Manu at SF) and he utterly crapped the bed in the 2011 series.
TheGoldStandard
03-20-2013, 11:18 PM
All things being equal I'm just as good as Bonner is in the playoffs and I would take half of what Bonner makes in salary.
Spur|n|Austin
03-20-2013, 11:21 PM
I've been new to Spurstalk for a couple of months now, like 1 month after the season began and after reading several posts i come across the term "He who shall not be named" several times . I'm thinking that it is Richard Jefferson, the 6'7 SF that used to play for San Antonio not too recently...but i don't know much about him as i've just started watching Spurs game since last year playoffs, before that, it was in 2007 when they won championships. But the big question is...what did he do to deserve the title? I think i've seen him on a Team USA poster before, his performance can't be that bad if he's up to TEAM USA standards... im just wondering what could it be that makes you Spurs fan degrade him so much. Can someone give me the run down??? Line me up here...
Richard?
All things being equal I'm just as good as Bonner is in the playoffs and I would take half of what Bonner makes in salary.
He's still not being paid an 8 digit salary and his contract is only partially guaranteed for next season. I don't see him in the playoff rotation though; Duncan should be playing ~36 minutes, Splitter ~34, and Diaw ~26.
SpurPadre
03-20-2013, 11:21 PM
Come now, while Bonner is a playoff choker he sticks to what he does well: stick 3s in the regular season.
RJ was brought in as a fourth option to complement the Big 3 because all of the other contenders were stacking up (Lakers brought in Gasol, Celtics won a ring by trading for KG and Allen, then the year after the Heatles joined together) and... he was outplayed by George Hill a lot. It got to the point where he never closed out games (the Spurs went small to close out games in those days, with Manu at SF) and he utterly crapped the bed in the 2011 series.
I live close to Oakland, in the California Bay Area, and Warrior fans think RJ is a worthless piece of crap, too. Even their announcers today were wondering aloud how better the team would be had they kept Jax instead.
G-Nob
03-20-2013, 11:22 PM
Sean Eliot
SpurPadre
03-20-2013, 11:25 PM
Sean Eliot
Yeah I forgot about that little quirk, lol.
Spursfanfromafar
03-20-2013, 11:26 PM
He's negatively associated with the championship drought because he was the one real big signing we had during that time, and he really didn't pan out. Not much more to it than that. When you're a fan of a team that has won 50+ games for 14 (really 16) straight seasons, you have to find something to be negative about. More an inside joke than anything.
More than an inside joke, actually.
The bugger was a total flop on the Spurs in his first season, was rewarded with a really bad 3 year contract, based on expectations that the first year would be an aberration. It wasn't and he was even more an headache plus a bad contract that couldn't be traded. Thankfully, the dumb Warriors did bite and we swapped him for a past Spurs cult hero, who despite diminishing returns has performed when it mattered most for the Spurs and has still been an upgrade over Jefferson.
Incidentally, the fella has been even more poor with the Warriors and is now an albatross weighing them down with another stiff named Andres Biedrins.
I live close to Oakland, in the California Bay Area, and Warrior fans think RJ is a worthless piece of crap, too. Even their announcers today were wondering aloud how better the team would be had they kept Jax instead.
That trade was one of the best R.C. pulled off.
The guy averages 3 ppg and barely sees the floor; he's their third string SF and even then Jackson closes out games with Klay Thompson at the 3 while Jack and Curry man the backcourt.
More than an inside joke, actually.
The bugger was a total flop on the Spurs in his first season, was rewarded with a really bad 3 year contract, based on expectations that the first year would be an aberration. It wasn't and he was even more an headache plus a bad contract that couldn't be traded. Thankfully, the dumb Warriors did bite and we swapped him for a past Spurs cult hero, who despite diminishing returns has performed when it mattered most for the Spurs and has still been an upgrade over Jefferson.
Incidentally, the fella has been even more poor with the Warriors and is now an albatross weighing them down with another stiff named Andres Biedrins.
At least Biedrins can rebound and defend; can't say the same for RJ.
He must be enjoying playing the Bay Area though. :lol
TheGoldStandard
03-20-2013, 11:30 PM
At least Biedrins can rebound and defend; can't say the same for RJ.
He must be enjoying playing the Bay Area though. :lol
I see what you did there, nice!
SpurPadre
03-20-2013, 11:32 PM
At least Biedrins can rebound and defend; can't say the same for RJ.
He must be enjoying playing the Bay Area though. :lol
Ah, the gay thing. That stereotype about the Bay Area is so overblown outside of California...but oh well, what can ya do? LOL
wtgspurs
03-20-2013, 11:35 PM
Ah, the gay thing. That stereotype about the Bay Area is so overblown outside of California...but oh well, what can ya do? LOL
I actually thought its because he was "supposedly" gay...i saw a pic of him posing and smiling with some shirtless Chris Boshish looking dudes. There was nothing that looked straight about that pic...anyone think they can post it?
spurraider21
03-20-2013, 11:38 PM
Ah, the gay thing. That stereotype about the Bay Area is so overblown outside of California...but oh well, what can ya do? LOL
I'm in LA and the SF jokes are rampant here too :lol
phxspurfan
03-20-2013, 11:41 PM
what can ya do?
If you live in SF, men.
SpurPadre
03-20-2013, 11:42 PM
I actually thought its because he was "supposedly" gay...i saw a pic of him posing and smiling with some shirtless Chris Boshish looking dudes. There was nothing that looked straight about that pic...anyone think they can post it?
No, I know about the RJ being gay rumor and pic but I was reffering to the stereotype about the SF Bay Area(which includes Oakland) being comprised of mostly LGBT people and that the myth is only spread by people outside of California.
SpurPadre
03-20-2013, 11:43 PM
I'm in LA and the SF jokes are rampant here too :lol
Yeah but that's just because of the Giants and Dodgers fans hatred so you know that's just haterism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XNFokmDKrE
spurraider21
03-20-2013, 11:47 PM
Yeah but that's just because of the Giants and Dodgers fans hatred so you know that's just haterism.
meh. i'm not really in any baseball circles. heck, the only baseball team i "root for" is the dbacks just because i used to be enamored by randy johnson. of course SF loved him on the Giants... he was "the big unit" after all :lmao
SpurPadre
03-20-2013, 11:50 PM
meh. i'm not really in any baseball circles. heck, the only baseball team i "root for" is the dbacks just because i used to be enamored by randy johnson. of course SF loved him on the Giants... he was "the big unit" after all :lmao
Yeah, yeah, hahaha. Whatever...lol.
Juggity
03-20-2013, 11:53 PM
Richard Jefferson is easily one of the worst signings in Spurs history. He accelerated the no-defense, regular-season-team transition despite being touted as the guy who would bring the spurs back to glory; the fourth member of a new "Big 4".
His lackadaisical defense was pretty directly responsible for some playoff losses. Regularly played well for the first month or two of the season, but like Bonner he slowed down toward the end of the regular season and couldn't perform in the playoffs. I hate to pin an entire series on his back, but the way the spurs folded against Memphis is, to a great extent, due to a bad defensive effort, and he was one of the main culprits. The Spurs drafted Kawhi expressly to replace Richard Jefferson, and he knocked Jefferson out of the starting lineup within a few months.
Jefferson was gone by the trade deadline, and the spurs went on a 20 game win streak once acquiring Diaw and Stephen Jackson, further signaling the negative effect Jefferson had had on the Spurs while playing for them with a massive albatross of a contract.
timtonymanu
03-20-2013, 11:56 PM
The RJ for Jackson trade is still one of the most satisfying things I experienced last year.
thispego
03-21-2013, 12:26 AM
also... someone post the picture of rj and his gay cronies
RJ was just a black hole on our team really. Despite averaging 12ppg or so, he never really gelled with the rest of the team and fit in.
RJ was just a black hole on our team really. Despite averaging 12ppg or so, he never really gelled with the rest of the team and fit in.
He had a big problem running even basic Spurs sets.
TheGoldStandard
03-21-2013, 12:49 AM
His success came in NJ when all he had to do was run towards the rim and Kidd would create for him. He wasn't a solid shooter and he was always suspect on defense. Glad the Spurs were able to get rid of that contract.
weeks
03-21-2013, 12:52 AM
The Spurs still attract NEW fans? Interesting.
i'm a relatively new fan
Dunc n Dave
03-21-2013, 12:54 AM
http://jocksandstilettojill.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/1ac6fff7cf4fdf303a22e12121c826b6_kareemrushrichard jeffersonlukewaltoncruisephoto-575x443.jpg
http://jocksandstilettojill.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/1ac6fff7cf4fdf303a22e12121c826b6_kareemrushrichard jeffersonlukewaltoncruisephoto-575x443.jpg
Isn't Kareem Rush also there? And isn't that the son of the Nuggets owner?
wtgspurs
03-21-2013, 01:09 AM
http://jocksandstilettojill.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/1ac6fff7cf4fdf303a22e12121c826b6_kareemrushrichard jeffersonlukewaltoncruisephoto-575x443.jpg
These guys are definitely not into Vaginas
Skoobz
03-21-2013, 01:19 AM
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Every single one of those guys look like poo punchers.
hater
03-21-2013, 02:09 AM
Brings back bad memories. Dude just didnt give a fuck. A horrible human being
Sean Cagney
03-21-2013, 03:03 AM
The RJ for Jackson trade is still one of the most satisfying things I experienced last year.
I was nearly in tears of joy for days on end! I was literally in blyss!!!!!
I'm thinking that it is Richard Jefferson, the 6'7 SF that used to play for San Antonio not too recently...but i don't know much about him
He's a confirmed closeted homosexual who caused awkward chemistry in the Spurs locker room. He and Luke Walton regularly engage in coitus, exclusively as well as in groups ranging in size from 3-14 members.
therealtruth
03-21-2013, 06:21 AM
RJ was a mistake. Pop believed he could transform him into a defensive stopper. It didn't happen. It also didn't help that Pop lost his defensive focus.
exstatic
03-21-2013, 06:57 AM
His shooting wasn't really an issue. He shot .440 and .421 from three his last two seasons here.
His issue is that he's passive. Even having only played a bit over one season's worth of games, Kawhi attacks the rim WAY more often and effectively than Jefferson did here in 2.5 seasons.
Captivus
03-21-2013, 08:17 AM
There was one thing that I liked about him: Sometimes he dunked. I'm a strong believer in the “psych” effect of a dunk.
But that’s all. I do remember him missing important 3pts, that’s the image that comes to mind when I think of him.
roycrikside
03-21-2013, 01:11 PM
Why Spurs fans hate RJ more than any Spur is simple: He was a huge pussy. Not only was he too dumb to figure out the offensive and defensive sets (3 years and he still had no idea where to be or who to guard) but he just didn't give a shit. He was stealing money. On offense his athleticism disappeared, he turned down open shots all the time and he had no idea how to drive to the basket anymore. When he did try, he was awkward as hell, traveling or committing offensive fouls. He was basically worthless and shrank the brighter the lights got. He was Bonner, to the nth degree. At least Bonner played well in the regular season.
All that being said, I don't care what his sexual orientation is and if he is gay I don't think it has anything to do with the above paragraph. He's just a crappy basketball player who RC overrated because he happened to have some good games against the Spurs as a Buck.
Chinook
03-21-2013, 01:34 PM
Agree with the general opinions of this thread. He was way too passive, and he couldn't play well with anyone besides Ginobili. It was a shame that the Spurs couldn't get Carter instead.
Still, though, sometimes he did make some pretty good plays. This was my favorite moment from him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf4jdUFiyn8
Drachen
03-21-2013, 01:37 PM
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHH DUDE, If you say his name three times he will reappear!
007nites
03-23-2013, 09:14 PM
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHH DUDE, If you say his name three times he will reappear!
Too late
Why Spurs fans hate RJ more than any Spur is simple: He was a huge pussy. Not only was he too dumb to figure out the offensive and defensive sets (3 years and he still had no idea where to be or who to guard) but he just didn't give a shit. He was stealing money. On offense his athleticism disappeared, he turned down open shots all the time and he had no idea how to drive to the basket anymore. When he did try, he was awkward as hell, traveling or committing offensive fouls. He was basically worthless and shrank the brighter the lights got. He was Bonner, to the nth degree. At least Bonner played well in the regular season.
All that being said, I don't care what his sexual orientation is and if he is gay I don't think it has anything to do with the above paragraph. He's just a crappy basketball player who RC overrated because he happened to have some good games against the Spurs as a Buck.
And at least Bonner wasn't paid like he was part of the Big 3.
skulls138
03-24-2013, 10:21 AM
Im smelling BS at the amount of hate directed at Matt Bonner. Has he lived up to expectations in the playoffs? No but that happens to many great players, especially three point specialists. I think there is something more going on here than is being said.
Both Danny Ferry and Steve Kerr lost their shooting touch, but finally got it back and we won a championship.
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