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ThaBigFundamental21
03-21-2013, 07:42 PM
Anyone see this yet? This article is awesome!

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2013/3/20/4117576/tim-duncan-is-the-defensive-player-of-the-year

Tim Duncan is the Defensive Player of the Year: Blocks


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At 36, an ageless Tim Duncan has once again rewritten the guidebook for effective defense using physical efficiency and sharp mental awareness. His play this year has been nothing short of stellar, and he is the front runner for the Defensive Player of the Year.


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I feel undeniably privileged to have carefully observed Tim Duncan's 2012-2013 season to date. In a season where the San Antonio Spurs have received numerous "bites" from the injury bug, Tim Duncan has been consistent, and dominant. He is a difference maker on the both sides of the court. While Duncan has remained effective offensively by retooling his game to include less 4-down post moves and more mid-range shooting, Tony Parker's emergence as the main offensive weapon for the Spurs has limited his offensive role in recent years.
His defense is a different story. The San Antonio Spurs have a refocused defense this year, and their return to the league's defensive elite has been anchored by a fresh Tim Duncan. He is having a career year in terms of defensive statistics. Read that again: Tim Duncan is having a career year. In terms of per minute numbers, a man who has made eight NBA All-Defensive 1st teams is posting career-bests in blocks, defensive rebounding, and steals. Are your eyebrows raised? They should be. Tim Duncan is the Defensive Player of the Year. I would like to show you why over a series of posts. In this first post, I'm going to focus on blocks.
Tim's blocking this year has been beyond exceptional. Did I mention that his per minute blocking numbers are the best of his career, a career lauded for its elite defense? How has he done this? It's a combination of footwork, positioning, overall awareness and basketball savvy. Keep an eye out for a future post from J Gomez which will break down how Duncan moves on the court to maximize his defensive efficiency. At 36, Duncan has schemed his way onto the shortlist of this year's blocks leaders. Currently he has 2.7 blocks per outing, good for 3rd in the league, behind Larry Sanders and Serge Ibaka, who are 24 and 23, respectively. Tim Duncan blocks more shots per game than Roy Hibbert, Dwight Howard, Joakim Noah, and Brook Lopez.
But the value of Tim's blocking isn't only defined by volume. Duncan achieves his blocking numbers while limiting personal fouls, ensuring blocked shots do not give opponents a second chance, and protecting near the rim. When combined, these three things make Duncan the best blocker in the league. You will never see his blocks on ESPN's Top Plays, but nonetheless Tim provides the most defensive value through blocking than any other blocker in the league.
Defining Defensive ValueDefensive value is measured simply: how many points did the other guy(s) score? When we look at blocking value, we want to assess how many points a blocker prevents per block.
According to Basketball-Reference.com, NBA teams average 1.046 points per possession. The immediate train of thought is, "Well a block turns that number into 0." This is true in a confined sense, but when analyzing the value of a block, we need to ask three questions:
1) How often do missed blocks result in personal fouls?
2) How often do blocked shots go out of bounds, resulting in a new possession for the opponent?
3) How often does a player block layups versus jumpers?
With these three questions in mind, let's break it down.
Personal FoulsPlayers in the NBA make on average 75.3% of their free throws. This means that when a player is fouled on an attempted block, the opposing team will earn, on average, 1.506 points for that possession. This number increases for "and-1" situations. This is why players should, obviously, avoid fouling. Free throws earn the opponent a massive increase in points per possession over the expected average.
Tim Duncan excels at avoiding personal fouls, despite generating a high volume of blocks. Check out the table below comparing Duncan's blocks-to-fouls ratio to some of the league's elite blockers.


Player
BPG
PF/G
BLK/PF Ratio


Tim Duncan
2.7
1.8
1.50


Larry Sanders
3.1
3.5
0.89


Serge Ibaka
2.9
2.8
1.04


Roy Hibbert
2.7
3.5
0.77


Dwight Howard
2.4
3.8
0.63


Joakim Noah
2.3
2.9
0.79


Brook Lopez
2.1
2.0
1.05


Tim Duncan, the best in the league in this area, is the only player on this list with a block to foul ratio significantly greater than 1. Dwight Howard's value of 0.63 is downright terrible, and even the second best Brook Lopez barely blocks more than he fouls. It is incredible that the increase in BLK/PF ratio from the worst to second best on this list (Howard to Lopez), is still less than the increase from Lopez to Duncan! Tim Duncan puts the league's other blockers to shame in terms of avoiding fouls when attempting blocks.
Blocking Out of Bounds or to OpponentsLet's face it, out-of-bounds blocks are sexy. When an athletic player loads his spring-like legs and soars to confront an incoming scorer, swatting the ball into the stands atludicrious speed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygE01sOhzz0), we love it. It is precisely this brand of athleticism for which most people enjoy watching the NBA. Statistically, though, these blocks, and blocks which are recovered by the opposing team, have the same value as an opponent offensive rebound. They allow the opponent a new possession, a new chance to score, and even the chance to set up a go-to inbound play. They are much less valuable than blocks which are recovered by the blocker or his teammates.
Tim Duncan also excels at blocking the ball to himself or his teammates. Below is a table with how each players blocks are recovered, courtesy of Evan Zamir of nbawowy.com. %Own is the percentage the player himself rebounds his block, %Team is the percentage a teammate rebounds his block, and %Opp is the percentage the other team recovers the block.


Player
%Own
%Team
%Opp


Tim Duncan
29.6
34.5
35.9


Larry Sanders
19.3
36.0
44.7


Serge Ibaka
10.1
54.7
35.2


Roy Hibbert
17.8
48.5
33.7


Dwight Howard
16.7
42.7
40.6


Joakim Noah
15.0
47.4
37.6


Brook Lopez
11.6
47.1
41.3


Duncan's Opp% is 3rd lowest in this list, and his %Own is tremendous. Duncan recovers nearly a third of his blocks. When you consider how talented he is as an outlet passer, this is no insignificant feat.
Layups vs. JumpersTom Haberstroh wrote a shining article about Duncan's defensive prowess earlier this year. In it he discusses the value of blocking layups versus jumpers. According to Hoopdata, NBA players make 64.4% of their shots at the rim, while converting only 39.0% on all other two point attempts. In terms of points per possession, possessions which end in layups gain more than 0.5 points over other two point shots. As a shot blocker, therefore, it is more important to block layups than jumpers. The chart below indicates the percentage of shots blocked which are layup attempts, defined as a shot less than 3 feet from the rim.


Player
%Layups


Tim Duncan
72


Larry Sanders
61


Serge Ibaka
58


Roy Hibbert
50


Dwight Howard
45


Joakim Noah
54


Brook Lopez
53


When it comes to cleaning up shop near the rim, Tim Duncan is, again, best among the league's elite blockers. Haberstroh also mentions that Tim Duncan's average blocked shot distance is 2.9 ft while the average of the top blockers is 4.8 ft. By staying close to home, Duncan chooses to engage shots which have a higher chance of falling and get set to rebound on those which don't. Brilliant.
Marginal Blocking ValueSo how much value does Tim Duncan add through his blocking as compared to the rest of the league's best blockers? Lets define a statistic, Marginal Blocking Value (MBV), which will tell us on a per game basis how many points a player's block attempts add or subtract. We will define this by looking at expected point values from our different outcomes.
At its most basic form, the block has an expected point outcome of 0, however we have to consider recovery, the possibility of a personal foul, and the expected point value of a shot not blocked.
The formula I derived for MBV is as follows:
MBV = BPG*[(1.288*%LU)+(0.78*%2P)]-[0.460*0.67*PFG+0.523*%Opp]
BPG is blocks/game; 1.288 signifies the expected point value of a layup attempt (league layup FG% * 2 pts); %LU is the percentage of blocked shots that are layup attempts; 0.78 is the expected point value of a non-layup 2pt shot; %2P is the percentage of blocked shots that are layup attempts, 0.460 is the expected point value of two free throw attempts over a regular possession; 0.67 is a weighting which assumes that 2/3rds of a big's foul attempts come when contesting shots; PFG is personal fouls per game; 0.523 is the expected point value of a recovered block (equal to one half of the league average expected points per possession; 1.046, since a possession is added); and %Opp is the percent of block shots recovered by the opponent.
It's a little complicated, but it roughly indicates the added point value per game that a player's shot blocking contributes. Here are the MBV numbers for the 7 top shot-blockers in the league.


Player
BPG
%LU
%2P
PFG
%Opp
MBV


Tim Duncan
2.7
72
28
1.8
35.9
2.35


Larry Sanders
3.1
61
39
3.5
44.7
2.07


Serge Ibaka
2.9
58
42
2.8
35.2
2.07


Roy Hibbert
2.7
50
50
3.5
33.7
1.54


Dwight Howard
2.4
45
55
3.8
40.6
1.04


Joakim Noah
2.3
54
46
2.9
37.6
1.33


Brook Lopez
2.1
53
47
2.0
41.3
1.37


Tim Duncan, far and away, adds the most value to his defense, almost two and a half points per game due to his blocking. For those of you keeping track, that is the difference between 3rd and 9th in DRtg. He has proven himself to be the best blocker in the NBA in terms of value added to the defense, and his defensive presence in the post this season has significantly impacted the Spurs defensive rating.
ConclusionsBlocking is but one of several ways in which Duncan displays his sharp defensive acuity. In a year where the Spurs have rekindled the defensive fires which once fueled them, the future Hall-of-Famer has continually fanned the flame with his fundamentals and brilliant floor knowledge. Parker may now be the go-to offensive weapon for the Spurs, but Duncan is, and will always be, the backbone of the Spurs defense. Cool, calm, and masterful, Tim Duncan keeps reminding us why he is the greatest power forward of all time, and this year's Defensive Player of the Year.
#DuncanDPOY
*Keep an eye out for the next article on Tim's rebounding prowess.

Embedded
03-21-2013, 07:49 PM
Wow! GREAT article!!!!

Brazil
03-21-2013, 07:55 PM
Very nice read indeed insightful :tu
It would be absolutely awesome that Tim win a dpoty absolutely awesome but I have not a lot of hope it happens. Agree with Harlem saying spurs should market him for the trophy !

TheGoldStandard
03-21-2013, 08:04 PM
The Greatest PF to ever lace em' up. Tim winning would definitely be deserving but the league is more about promoting young players to get people to buy jerseys. They'll probably give it to Ibaka I mean the dude can cock punch someone and not get suspended, it's just good D.

Mark in Austin
03-21-2013, 08:23 PM
That article raised the bar. Nicely done.

Seventyniner
03-21-2013, 08:30 PM
My goodness, that was well done. It's like basketball stat porn for a Spurs/Duncan fan.

The only thing I wonder is why he used per-game statistics as opposed to per-36 min or per-100 possessions in order to control for pace. Both of those just involve simple multipliers.

spurraider21
03-21-2013, 08:35 PM
My goodness, that was well done. It's like basketball stat porn for a Spurs/Duncan fan.

The only thing I wonder is why he used per-game statistics as opposed to per-36 min or per-100 possessions in order to control for pace. Both of those just involve simple multipliers.

I think per game is fair. If we are doing this in order to establish/separate DPOY candidates, it should account for their impact throughout a game. Somebody that plays brilliant defense for 15 minutes but doesn't produce over the course of a game (but has ridiculous per minute stats) shouldn't be in the same class as a guy who plays steady defense over the course of 30-40 minutes and whose imapct is felt throughout. I know I'm exaggerating here, but just to make a point. Its only fair

dbreiden83080
03-21-2013, 09:00 PM
He won't win the award.. Maybe another thing they can hand Lebron..

Chinook
03-21-2013, 09:07 PM
Old Man Riverwalk is getting more and more media support for his DPOY campaign. It'd be awesome to see him get it, but he'll probably have to remain healthy and effective for the rest of the season to have a chance.

Cane
03-21-2013, 09:10 PM
Duncan = GOAT shotblocker and best interior defender....and thank the basketball gods that he doesn't have to help Blair or Bonner in the starting lineup

BillMc
03-21-2013, 10:01 PM
I'd love to see him get it. But somehow I have this horrible feeling the media will give it to Ibaka or even Sanders or Lopez. Hope to God I'm wrong.

BillMc
03-21-2013, 10:03 PM
By the way. Great analysis in that article. Well done.

hater
03-21-2013, 10:14 PM
Sanders supposedly got it in the bag.

I don't even know who this scrub plays for :lol

Juggity
03-21-2013, 10:38 PM
Would be great if someone from ESPN picked up this meme and ran with it.

Great analysis by PtR, but I don't know how much exposure the blog gets.

EDIT: Come to think of it, Skip Bayless might be a perfect vector for this story to gain steam in the public consciousness. Skip always backs up the spurs, Tim, Tony, Manu, (Also Splitter, even in the face of Stephen A's disrespect).

J.T.
03-21-2013, 10:42 PM
I bet Tim gives the trophy to Bruce Bowen if he wins it.

Mel_13
03-21-2013, 11:01 PM
If DPOY awards were determined by careful, thoughtful analysis, then Tim would already have multiple trophies. Bruce would have at least one as well.

jesterbobman
03-21-2013, 11:31 PM
Mel_13's point is good. The person named defensive player of the year is often not the person with the biggest defensive impact. Some of that is because the data on play by play/ events after blocks weren't easily available(NBAWOWY.com, where that block event data comes from, started about 2 months ago, So post block data wasn't easily available for past races) and a lot of media members look at simple per game rebound/block numbers(Sean Elliott saying Serge Ibaka should've won last year is amongst the dumbest things he's said on air, and it's a low bar.) It'll probably become better as the relatively stats intense bloggers become part of the voting panel, but that'll be after TD has hung them up.

I think TD-Sanders-Noah-Gasol are probably the frontrunners, and all are good defenders who actually make the defense better. I want TD to win, but one of those group winning would not be the travesty that Ibaka winning would be.

John B
03-22-2013, 12:09 AM
DPOY then Russell trophy, sweet :lobt2:

milkyway21
03-22-2013, 12:55 AM
rookie of the year, all-star MVP, 2-time season MVP,3-time finals MVP, now DPOY frontrunner... :worthy: :toast

milkyway21
03-22-2013, 01:00 AM
I'd love to see him get it. But somehow I have this horrible feeling the media will give it to Ibaka or even Sanders or Lopez. Hope to God I'm wrong.

Ibaka?
I want to watch that Duncan dunk o Ibaka again :lmao that was awesome

Obstructed_View
03-22-2013, 01:40 AM
So much hokum. Dwight Howard's the best defender. Didn't you see him in the dunk contest? Dumbasses.

Pop
03-22-2013, 03:34 AM
Mel_13's point is good. The person named defensive player of the year is often not the person with the biggest defensive impact. Some of that is because the data on play by play/ events after blocks weren't easily available(NBAWOWY.com, where that block event data comes from, started about 2 months ago, So post block data wasn't easily available for past races) and a lot of media members look at simple per game rebound/block numbers(Sean Elliott saying Serge Ibaka should've won last year is amongst the dumbest things he's said on air, and it's a low bar.) It'll probably become better as the relatively stats intense bloggers become part of the voting panel, but that'll be after TD has hung them up.

I think TD-Sanders-Noah-Gasol are probably the frontrunners, and all are good defenders who actually make the defense better. I want TD to win, but one of those group winning would not be the travesty that Ibaka winning would be.

Yeah I agree Tim is one of three player (imo Noah is out) that can win it but the article actually came off as pretty desperate, shouldn't be that complicated to see that someone is a great defensive anchor, certainly wouldn't need to use something like that :
The formula I derived for MBV is as follows:
MBV = BPG*[(1.288*%LU)+(0.78*%2P)]-[0.460*0.67*PFG+0.523*%Opp]

spurraider21
03-22-2013, 04:21 AM
The metrics confirm that Sanders has a great defensive impact and isn't just a pinball machine shotblocker that just pads numbers. AND he leads the league in blocks. He's probably the stiffest competition, but I think Tim is starting to draw nationwide attention

007nites
03-22-2013, 04:27 AM
Any chance Timmy gets First Team All-NBA and DPOY award at age 37?

spurraider21
03-22-2013, 04:45 AM
Any chance Timmy gets First Team All-NBA and DPOY award at age 37?

It all depends what position he's voted as. I'm sure for the All-NBA team LeBron and Durant are locks at forward. If they view Tim as a Center he'd have a shot, but writers would obviously vote for Dwight. If he's viewed as a forward, he'll probably be all-nba second team and all defensive first team.

Mal
03-22-2013, 04:50 AM
Great read. Print this article to everyone, who have vote in this category. Larry Sander my ass

Mal
03-22-2013, 04:50 AM
It all depends what position he's voted as. I'm sure for the All-NBA team LeBron and Durant are locks at forward. If they view Tim as a Center he'd have a shot, but writers would obviously vote for Dwight. If he's viewed as a forward, he'll probably be all-nba second team and all defensive first team.

No way Howard gets in, since Bryant is a lock.

racm
03-22-2013, 04:58 AM
The metrics confirm that Sanders has a great defensive impact and isn't just a pinball machine shotblocker that just pads numbers. AND he leads the league in blocks. He's probably the stiffest competition, but I think Tim is starting to draw nationwide attention

He's good enough to lift a team that has Monta Ellis, Brandon Jennings, J.J. Redick, Mike Dunleavy, and Ersan Ilyasova all getting rotation minutes to a top 10 defense. That said, I don't think Milwaukee needs him to block more shots if they had better perimeter defense.


No way Howard gets in, since Bryant is a lock.

And it would be incredibly dumb for an 8th seed team to have two first teamers.

Last year's first team:

Paul - 40-26, 5th seed
Bryant - 41-25, 3rd seed
James - 46-20, 2nd seed
Durant - 47-19, 2nd seed
Howard - 37-29, 6th seed

2011:

Rose - 62-20, 1st seed
Bryant - 57-25, 2nd seed
James - 58-24, 2nd seed
Durant - 55-27, 4th seed
Howard - 52-30, 4th seed

2010:

Wade - 47-35, 5th seed
Bryant - 57-25, 1st seed
James - 61-21, 1st seed
Durant - 50-32, 8th seed
Howard - 59-23, 2nd seed

So there's only been one guy to make the first team from an 8th seed the past 3 seasons, and that guy had to score 30 ppg and win a scoring title to do so.

spurraider21
03-22-2013, 05:07 AM
He's good enough to lift a team that has Monta Ellis, Brandon Jennings, J.J. Redick, Mike Dunleavy, and Ersan Ilyasova all getting rotation minutes to a top 10 defense. That said, I don't think Milwaukee needs him to block more shots if they had better perimeter defense.



And it would be incredibly dumb for an 8th seed team to have two first teamers.

Last year's first team:

Paul - 40-26, 5th seed
Bryant - 41-25, 3rd seed
James - 46-20, 2nd seed
Durant - 47-19, 2nd seed
Howard - 37-29, 6th seed

2011:

Rose - 62-20, 1st seed
Bryant - 57-25, 2nd seed
James - 58-24, 2nd seed
Durant - 55-27, 4th seed
Howard - 52-30, 4th seed

2010:

Wade - 47-35, 5th seed
Bryant - 57-25, 1st seed
James - 61-21, 1st seed
Durant - 50-32, 8th seed
Howard - 59-23, 2nd seed

So there's only been one guy to make the first team from an 8th seed the past 3 seasons, and that guy had to score 30 ppg and win a scoring title to do so.

the only thing this confirms is that kobe, durant, lebron, and dwight are shoo-ins

Danny.Zhu
03-22-2013, 05:32 AM
Great great read.

DieMrBond
03-22-2013, 05:52 AM
Everything I've read online indicates it's going to be Marc Gasol this year, due to the Grizzlies defence - which he obviously anchors.
Check out this article for an example: http://www.sbnation.com/2013/3/15/4108416/marc-gasol-grizzlies-defensive-player-of-the-year

Hopefully it is for TD, but I don't like his chances unfortunately :(

Mal
03-22-2013, 06:06 AM
Everything I've read online indicates it's going to be Marc Gasol this year, due to the Grizzlies defence - which he obviously anchors.
Check out this article for an example: http://www.sbnation.com/2013/3/15/4108416/marc-gasol-grizzlies-defensive-player-of-the-year

Hopefully it is for TD, but I don't like his chances unfortunately :(

Spurs defense is underrated in statistical point of view, since there were way too many blowouts, and 4th quater with Mills and Turd Towers running whole 12 minutes.

Kuestmaster
03-22-2013, 07:18 AM
Don't count out Howard being higher than Duncan in DPOY votes. Voters are stupid.

rmt
03-22-2013, 07:41 AM
Everything I've read online indicates it's going to be Marc Gasol this year, due to the Grizzlies defence - which he obviously anchors.
Check out this article for an example: http://www.sbnation.com/2013/3/15/4108416/marc-gasol-grizzlies-defensive-player-of-the-year

Hopefully it is for TD, but I don't like his chances unfortunately :(

So why it is that some years the voters don't care about team defense (e.g. Camby on DEN) and some years it's important. At least, be consistent.

Captivus
03-22-2013, 07:46 AM
Where did the author get the "block distance in feets" stat?
Who is keeping track of that?? Is it the new cameras?

Seventyniner
03-22-2013, 07:52 AM
It all depends what position he's voted as. I'm sure for the All-NBA team LeBron and Durant are locks at forward. If they view Tim as a Center he'd have a shot, but writers would obviously vote for Dwight. If he's viewed as a forward, he'll probably be all-nba second team and all defensive first team.

The All-Star game went to 3 frontcourt/2 backcourt this year rather than C-F-F-G-G. Is it possible the All-NBA Teams will be restructured the same way?

That would probably hurt Duncan's chances, though. Players like Griffin and Bosh that couldn't get in as centers would qualify as frontcourt. Brook Lopez will also be stiff competition due to the offensive numbers he's putting up.

I think that LeBron, Durant, Paul, and Parker have 4 of the First Team spots locked up. If Parker or Paul gets hurt and/or plays poorly the rest of the season, and the Heat keep piling up wins, Wade might sneak in.

If Howard finishes above Duncan in the All-NBA Teams, I'll have a conniption fit.

lmbebo
03-22-2013, 09:37 AM
******

If Howard finishes above Duncan in the All-NBA Teams, I'll have a conniption fit.


:ihit ditto

racm
03-22-2013, 09:58 AM
Spurs defense is underrated in statistical point of view, since there were way too many blowouts, and 4th quater with Mills and Turd Towers running whole 12 minutes.

And raw PPG doesn't do it a favor - the Spurs are IIRC 10th/11th in opponent PPG, while being 3rd in DRating, mostly because of their 7th ranked pace. The other top 4 defensive teams (IND/MEM/CHI) all play at a glacial, attack-the-boards pace.


So why it is that some years the voters don't care about team defense (e.g. Camby on DEN) and some years it's important. At least, be consistent.

Has it occurred to you that the sports media tend to go for who gets the biggest buzz?

DMC
03-22-2013, 10:06 AM
I bet Tim gives the trophy to Bruce Bowen if he wins it.

Such a classy move too.

DMC
03-22-2013, 10:08 AM
I'd rather see Tim get his 4th Finals MVP but both would be cool too. I have a feeling I will see neither.

wildbill2u
03-22-2013, 10:14 AM
After seeing box stats on Duncan’s blocks in several games I made an independent check on his blocks this year and where he stands compared to other younger players. I was amazed.
This article takes the raw blocks stats to another level of analysis and confirms what I was seeing. Now I am even more amazed at what Duncan is doing this year.
A recent Bill Simmons documentary on Bill Russell revealed that Russell always wanted his blocks to be directed to himself or another teammate in order to begin the transition to offense. Maybe Duncan talked to Russell because that is exactly what he is doing.
And unlike Russell, Tim is a guy who can barely jump over a book of matches. His blocking prowess is all about timing, positioning and BB IQ.
Did I mention his play this year is AMAZING?

Raven
03-22-2013, 10:48 AM
with the new stats on nba.com, there is no way timmy doesn't win it, that is if he keeps playing like he is now. The robbery would simply be too easy to see.

buttsR4rebounding
03-22-2013, 10:48 AM
This is the best article I have ever read on shot blocking. I am looking forward to the defensive rebounding article. Does anyone know when it is coming out?

spurraider21
03-22-2013, 01:14 PM
The All-Star game went to 3 frontcourt/2 backcourt this year rather than C-F-F-G-G. Is it possible the All-NBA Teams will be restructured the same way?

That would probably hurt Duncan's chances, though. Players like Griffin and Bosh that couldn't get in as centers would qualify as frontcourt. Brook Lopez will also be stiff competition due to the offensive numbers he's putting up.

I think that LeBron, Durant, Paul, and Parker have 4 of the First Team spots locked up. If Parker or Paul gets hurt and/or plays poorly the rest of the season, and the Heat keep piling up wins, Wade might sneak in.

If Howard finishes above Duncan in the All-NBA Teams, I'll have a conniption fit.

thinking nba voters won't put kobe on the fist team :lmao

SA210
03-22-2013, 01:23 PM
It'd be nice for Tim to win it, we all know Bruce deserved it many times.

Johnny RIngo
03-22-2013, 03:01 PM
Zach Lowe (espn/grantland) has been pushing for Gasol hard.

Which I don't understand since Duncan's better than Gasol in just about every defensive metric.

Obstructed_View
03-22-2013, 03:44 PM
If anyone goes to a Spurs game soon, please find the person keeping official stats for the Spurs and kick them firmly in the junk. Duncan's probably averaging almost two blocks more per game than he's getting credited for.

I. Hustle
03-22-2013, 03:58 PM
If anyone goes to a Spurs game soon, please find the person keeping official stats for the Spurs and kick them firmly in the junk. Duncan's probably averaging almost two blocks more per game than he's getting credited for.

I actually know the guy. I worked with him for a few years.

024
03-22-2013, 04:12 PM
Duncan truly deserves it this year. He has better overall rebounding and bpg stats than anyone else. His team is top 5 defensively and has the 2nd best record in the NBA. He also should get the lifetime achievement bonus, not that he needs it. Merit alone from this season justifies Duncan winning DPOY.

aal04
03-22-2013, 04:29 PM
I reckon in the Heat game hes playing for DPOY.

If he goes off and shuts them down then he will get the award

Obstructed_View
03-22-2013, 07:24 PM
I actually know the guy. I worked with him for a few years.

One should probably consider asking him what the fuck he considers a block, since he missed two by Duncan in the last three minutes of the most recent game.

bklynspursfan
03-22-2013, 10:20 PM
He's averaging 9.9 boards. Hope he can continue rebounding well. Would be kinda nice for him to average a double double at this point of his career.

Thomas82
03-24-2013, 12:32 AM
Everything I've read online indicates it's going to be Marc Gasol this year, due to the Grizzlies defence - which he obviously anchors.
Check out this article for an example: http://www.sbnation.com/2013/3/15/4108416/marc-gasol-grizzlies-defensive-player-of-the-year

Hopefully it is for TD, but I don't like his chances unfortunately :(

I heard he re-aggravated his abdominal tear....I wonder how much that might hurt his chances.

Kidd K
03-24-2013, 01:13 AM
Yeah I agree Tim is one of three player (imo Noah is out) that can win it but the article actually came off as pretty desperate, shouldn't be that complicated to see that someone is a great defensive anchor, certainly wouldn't need to use something like that :
The formula I derived for MBV is as follows:
MBV = BPG*[(1.288*%LU)+(0.78*%2P)]-[0.460*0.67*PFG+0.523*%Opp]

It obviously is needed when so many people look at a stat sheet and say, "hey look, 25 PPG. He's a better scorer and player than this guy with 22 PPG.". And that's the entirety of their analysis.

In this case, "Defense? Who has more BPG? and SPG? Oh okay, that guy then".

Just like the, "who's the favorites in each conference to win the title this year? Hurr durr, the two who were in the Finals last year!" argument. . .which imo, is among the shittiest takes possible in pro sports.

racm
03-24-2013, 01:19 AM
New #DuncanDPOY article:

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2013/3/23/4133134/tim-duncan-NBA-defensive-player-year-pick-roll-DuncanDPOY

bklynspursfan
04-04-2013, 12:30 PM
Adding more ammo to this-

http://nba.si.com/2013/04/04/tim-duncan-san-antonio-spurs-defense/