The most bountiful food in human history?

[InRareForm]

Interesting take.

http://www.freakonomics.com/2013/03/21/the-most-bountiful-food-in-human-history/

[DisAsTerBot]

dumb. foods that grow are obviously more bountiful than someone making a burger.

[TeyshaBlue]

dumb. foods that grow are obviously more bountiful than someone making a burger.

Really? Think bout the definition of bountiful.

1: liberal in bestowing gifts or favors

2: given or provided abundantly

On a per acre basis, grown wins. On an availability basis, McDonald's kills.

[boutons_deux]

"most nutritious" :lol heavily processed wheat (basically sugar) for bun, greasy meat from gmo-feed cows + pink slime, plenty of chemicals

"bountiful food" more bountiful than rice, beans, corn, potatoes :lol

a MacDo plant/shill or just an ignorant, obese, diseased bubba.

[TeyshaBlue]

Yeah, Freakonomics is obviously a Mac Donald's shill and certainly a diseased bubba. http://homerecording.com/bbs/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

lol at not reading the link (again).

[DisAsTerBot]

Really? Think bout the definition of bountiful.

1: liberal in bestowing gifts or favors

2: given or provided abundantly

On a per acre basis, grown wins. On an availability basis, McDonald's kills.

mcdonald's is more available than grown foods? I have to disagree with that

[TeyshaBlue]

mcdonald's is more available than grown foods? I have to disagree with that

Do a quick location count of McDonald's vs. Grocery Stores.

[DisAsTerBot]

grocery stores? what does that have to do with anything. My backyard is my grocery store

[TeyshaBlue]

grocery stores? what does that have to do with anything. My backyard is my grocery store

How many people are growing food in their backyard, vs people who buy food at grocery stores (X) X:Y. Y=McDonalds. Solve for X.

[boutons_deux]

Yeah, Freakonomics is obviously a Mac Donald's shill and certainly a diseased bubba. http://homerecording.com/bbs/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

lol at not reading the link (again).

TB :lol RIF it's not freakonomics, but " reader named Ralph Thomas" :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

TB :lol RIF it's not freakonomics, but " reader named Ralph Thomas" :lol

Yet somehow Freakonomics felt it was worthy to post on their website? Dumbass.

[InRareForm]

Not everyone has a garden for veggies/fruits in their backyard..

Depending on how much you have (in your backyard.... lol), factoring in seasons, labor, time, cost, I can come to the conclusion quick that a $1 packs a bigger punch in regards to getting the body calories, protein, etc with a single burger available almost anywhere.

[TeyshaBlue]

Not everyone has a garden for veggies/fruits in their backyard..

Depending on how much you have, factoring in seasons, labor, time, cost, and I think a $1 packs a bigger punch in regards to getting the body calories, protein than some veggies in the backyard lol

Pretty much the point that was being made, tbh.

[DisAsTerBot]

does that change the ability to do so?
It's a choice as is eating at mcdonald's. I don't see how using seeds from vegetables grown can be less bountiful than someone killing cows to make burgers.

[TeyshaBlue]

Availability is the factor you're missing. You drive to McDonalds, order the burger and eat it.

You plant seeds. You water. You weed the garden. You pick the vegetables. You clean them and prepare them. Then you eat them.

Which has the best availability?

[TeyshaBlue]

In the mc d scenario, preparations are external to availability to the consumer. In the garden scenario, preparation is a principle component of availability.

[InRareForm]

I'm sure growing veggies is efficient too... Now I don't have the numbers to crunch to compare the two. But my money is on the burger.

A cup of sun dried tomatoes.. a veggie high on protein for example, requires 2.5 cups to achieve 23g grams of protein. The burger much easier to consume for that same amount, no?

[DisAsTerBot]

In the mc d scenario, preparations are external to availability to the consumer. In the garden scenario, preparation is a principle component of availability.

agreed

[DisAsTerBot]

I'm sure growing veggies is efficient too... Now I don't have the numbers to crunch to compare the two. But my money is on the burger.

A cup of sun dried tomatoes.. a veggie high on protein for example, requires 2.5 cups to achieve 23g grams of protein. The burger much easier to consume for that same amount, no?

depends how much you like sun dried tomatoes i guess

[boutons_deux]

Yet somehow Freakonomics felt it was worthy to post on their website? Dumbass.

TB :lol "worthy"? is your guess.

Mine is it's up their as a weird, ridiculous, ignornant take on MacDo garbage.

[TeyshaBlue]

Guess? lol...it's demonstrable, idiot. By dint of the post, it was worthy of posting on their website.

Your spin is what it is. Asinine as always.

[boutons_deux]

TB :lol

you assume "worthy"? :lol There are many reasons they would post such a "freaky" comment from a freaky web site vistior.

[boutons_deux]

how much salt in MacDumb garbage?

Over-Consumption Of Salt Linked To One In 10 American Deaths (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/22/1760251/salt-american-deaths/)

Just days after a study linked sugary drink consumption (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/20/1747441/sugary-drinks-deaths-around-the-world/)to 180,000 worldwide deaths per year, a study by the same team of Harvard researchers has found salt to be even more deadly.

The preliminary study found a diet high in sodium contributed to 2.3 million (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-21/high-salt-consumption-tied-to-2-3-million-heart-deaths.html)cardiovascular deaths worldwide in 2010, and was responsible for one in 10 U.S. deaths. The researchers, who presented the study Thursday at the annual American Heart Association meeting in New Orleans, said 40 percent of those deaths are premature — affecting people 69 years old or younger.

Dariush Mozaffarian, one of the study’s researchers and associate professor of medicine and epidemiology at Harvard Medical School, told ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/03/21/1-in-10-u-s-deaths-blamed-on-salt/) that salt is more dangerous than sugar largely because of its pervasiveness in the American diet — it’s everywhere, especially in processed, packaged foods:


MOZAFFARIAN: Sugar-sweetened beverages are just one type of food that people can avoid, whereas sodium is in everything. [...] It’s really amazing how pervasive it is. For the average person, it’s very hard to avoid salt — you have to be incredibly motivated, incredibly educated, have access to a range of foods and do all the cooking yourself.


http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/22/1760251/salt-american-deaths/ (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/22/1760251/salt-american-deaths/)

[TeyshaBlue]

TB :lol

you assume "worthy"? :lol There are many reasons they would post such a "freaky" comment from a freaky web site vistior.


Your spin is what it is. Asinine as always.

[TeyshaBlue]

how much salt in MacDumb garbage?

Over-Consumption Of Salt Linked To One In 10 American Deaths (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/22/1760251/salt-american-deaths/)

Just days after a study linked sugary drink consumption (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/20/1747441/sugary-drinks-deaths-around-the-world/)to 180,000 worldwide deaths per year, a study by the same team of Harvard researchers has found salt to be even more deadly.

The preliminary study found a diet high in sodium contributed to 2.3 million (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-21/high-salt-consumption-tied-to-2-3-million-heart-deaths.html)cardiovascular deaths worldwide in 2010, and was responsible for one in 10 U.S. deaths. The researchers, who presented the study Thursday at the annual American Heart Association meeting in New Orleans, said 40 percent of those deaths are premature — affecting people 69 years old or younger.

Dariush Mozaffarian, one of the study’s researchers and associate professor of medicine and epidemiology at Harvard Medical School, told ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/03/21/1-in-10-u-s-deaths-blamed-on-salt/) that salt is more dangerous than sugar largely because of its pervasiveness in the American diet — it’s everywhere, especially in processed, packaged foods:


MOZAFFARIAN: Sugar-sweetened beverages are just one type of food that people can avoid, whereas sodium is in everything. [...] It’s really amazing how pervasive it is. For the average person, it’s very hard to avoid salt — you have to be incredibly motivated, incredibly educated, have access to a range of foods and do all the cooking yourself.


http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/22/1760251/salt-american-deaths/ (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/22/1760251/salt-american-deaths/)
lol thinkprogress.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/03/opinion/sunday/we-only-think-we-know-the-truth-about-salt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

[boutons_deux]

google "salt high blood pressure"

[TeyshaBlue]

Where do you think I found that link?:lmao

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm dating a French model!

[TeyshaBlue]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=its-time-to-end-the-war-on-salt

[TeyshaBlue]

http://www.policymic.com/articles/7073/does-salt-make-you-fat

[TeyshaBlue]

It's the potassium, stupid.
http://healthland.time.com/2011/07/12/salt-how-bad-is-it-really/

[TeyshaBlue]

http://rense.com/general65/salt.htm

[Wild Cobra]

I used to like the whole grain saltine crackers, until they reduced the salt. Now they are so... blaaaa....

[TeyshaBlue]

TB Always messager attack, never the message. GFY, stalker

lol stalker. When I post on topic, you run away like the little bitch you are.
:lmao

[SA210]

lol nutritious

lol bleached flour, high fructose corn syrup, Azodicarbonamide, artificial color

No thanks

[TeyshaBlue]

On a scale of base nutrients, yes, the case can be made.

All that other shit...yeah. Not good.

[Wild Cobra]

lol nutritious

lol bleached flour, high fructose corn syrup, Azodicarbonamide, artificial color

No thanks
I agree.

I'm OK with the artificial coloring, but not the HFCS. I will consume small amounts it on occasion, but never on a daily basis. I intentionally had a large dose the other day. I was feeling run down, realized I had very little in my diet in the last few days as sugars. I drank a 16 oz soda for the first time in maybe 3 years, just for the HFCS, because it goes strain into the bloodstream from the stomach.

It did the trick.

[byrontx]

It is based on a faulty definition of food. Just because you can masticate something and swallow it without immediately falling over dead does not make it food. The stuff from McD is just suicide on an installment plan.

[boutons_deux]

Fucking BigFood, they'll do ANYTHING for profits

Some Toddler Foods Come With A Megadose Of Salt

Feeding toddlers can be a challenge, so it's easy to see the lure of prepackaged favorites like mac and cheese. But many of those foods deliver startlingly high amounts of sodium, some with three times more than recommended in a single serving, according to a new survey.

The offenders include not just savory snacks but also healthful-sounding foods like pasta and chicken, according to Joyce Maalouf, a fellow at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"It was surprising to see that more than 70 percent of the foods had more than 210 milligrams of sodium," she told The Salt. She surveyed more than 1,000 products. Some of the toddler meals had as much as 630 milligrams of sodium per serving — almost half of the 1,500-milligram daily ceiling set by the American Heart Association.
http://m.npr.org/news/front/175033824?start=5

"1,500-milligram daily" is of course max for ADULTS of 100+ pounds, not for a toddler.

heavily salted food jades the palate, so it demands the same saltiness from everything, esp everything like the heavily food-like substances from BigFood. iow, lots of salt, mixed in with sugar and grease, is a marketing tool to addict you to their garbage. The overweight, obesity epidemic concentrated in the last 35 years is due to shitty BigFood "stuff you put in your mouth", not lack of exercise.

As well as too much salt, the BigFood salt it HIGHLY purified, nothing but NaCl (and some non-caking chemcals).

A "healthy" salt is unpurified sea salt and Himalayan rock salt, which contain NaCl plus minerals like Magnesium (of which there is a widespread deficiency), potassium, boron, etc

http://www.saltnews.com/chemical-analysis-natural-himalayan-pink-salt/

[Drachen]

I'm dating a French model!

Uhhhhhhh Bon-Jour

[2centsworth]

does that change the ability to do so?
It's a choice as is eating at mcdonald's. I don't see how using seeds from vegetables grown can be less bountiful than someone killing cows to make burgers.

We don't eat the seeds, so you can just compare crops. It's like saying everyone has a PHD because we all have the ability to do so.

[InRareForm]

It is based on a faulty definition of food. Just because you can masticate something and swallow it without immediately falling over dead does not make it food. The stuff from McD is just suicide on an installment plan.

tell that to the person who doesn't have much money. no food at all or mcdonalds as an alternative....

[byrontx]

I agree that real food is more expensive than poisoning yourself.

[DMC]

It's apples and oranges (no pun intended). You have to grow the cow and the veggies for McD's as well. You cannot just magically have them. Since there exists a system of doing these things, sure the end product appears readily available, but then no more so than other foods.

I would be willing to bet that no one here buys more food from McD's than from a grocery store. The volume per capita is important. If the volume per capita of groceries is greater than volume per capita of McD's, groceries wins.

[boutons_deux]

tell that to the person who doesn't have much money. no food at all or mcdonalds as an alternative....

Poverty is one of the great causes of overweight and obesity. Corporate fast "food" garbage, junk food, snacks, and nearly all "legit" packaged foods are cheap per calorie (high calorie density, but still enough profit for the corporations to pull in $Ts. So rather than create a humane, rather than Darwinian/Randian, society with greatly reduced poverty and decent paying jobs for the lower 50%, America's taxpayers pay the $100Bs/year for the medical bills for the uninsured poor.

[byrontx]

If you are eating at McD's to save on a food budget you are doing two things wrong.

[boutons_deux]

If you are eating at McD's to save on a food budget you are doing two things wrong.

ignorance of healthy eating is widespread, see the overweight/obesity epidemic at all income levels, AND discussion of "food" in the Club forum, but especially absent in the lower levels.