SI's Top 10 SGs. Manu Ginobili is...

[cd021]

http://nba.si.com/2013/03/22/nba-shooting-guards-rankings-kobe-bryant-dwyane-wade/?sct=uk_t11_a2

10. Monte Ellis

9. Kevin Martin

8. J.J Redick

7. Jamal Crawford

6. Joe Johnson

5. Manu Ginobili

4. Andre Iguodala

3. James Harden

2. Dwayne Wade

1. Kobe Bryant


Redick was kind of a surprise. But I guess it makes sense. Overall the list sounds about right. Your Thoughts?

[emanueldavidginobili]

That's how much respect Manu Ginobili gets, hes 35 years out of his prime and out of all the players on that list he is playing the worst basketball RIGHT NOW

[chapnis]

The haters will say Manu shouldn't be on it, but that seems okay to me.

[Bruno]

Sounds right.

The SG spot is so weak in the NBA right now.

[Uriel]

Not sure I'd put Iguodala above him, but whatever.

[emanueldavidginobili]

OJ Mayo should be on this now that I think of it, what the fuck

[ElNono]

I thought Iggy was more of a SF...

[Juggity]

OJ Mayo should be on this now that I think of it, what the fuck

His end-of-game performances this season have been atrocious

[EmoKobe]

:lol K-Mart.. hardly even deserves to be on the list

[EmoKobe]

His end-of-game performances this season have been atrocious

so true :lmao choking fuck

[emanueldavidginobili]

His end-of-game performances this season have been atrocious
He's better than JJ Redick...and don't tell me he isn't lol

[Mel_13]

Manu's not rated too high. Kobe should be behind Wade and Harden.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sg

[jesterbobman]

By talking practice ASPM/RAPM model(Scanning through list , looking for SG's)

Wade
Harden
Iggy
Bryant
Manu
Jared Dudley
Tony Allen
Danny Green
Joe Johnson
Wes Matthews

Basically, SG is not exactly a position of strength in the NBA.

[HarlemHeat37]

As Jester and Bruno said, SG is weak at the moment, it's probably the weakest position in the NBA, tbh..

Iguodala and current Manu should not be in the top 5 at any position, and a guy like Redick should not be in the top 10..

Wade/Harden/Kobe is difficult to rank..Kobe is by far the worst defensive player of the three, and Harden is also poor defensively, while Wade has been an elite defender since returning from injury and beginning Miami's streak..

Offensively, Wade has been the worst of the 3 and coasted the 1st half of the season, and he also plays behind Lebron, obviously..

I'd go 1. Wade 2. Kobe 3. Harden, at least until Harden proves himself as a #1 in the playoffs..

[racm]

SG isn't great probably because the league has moved on from "next Jordan" wannabes to their variation of Magic/Bird; that and teams load up on fast PGs and therefore SGs just have to be the 3s and D variety.

[gospursgojas]

To me, Manu seems a lil high on the list tbh

[Strategic]

I think the two best players in the league are shooting guards. The just aren't listed as shooting guards.

[Spur Bank]

18 posts in and I'm the first person to call out Kobe Bryant being at #1? Just choosing from the 10 in the list, I'd go:

1. James Harden
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Manu Ginobili

<big drop>

5. Andre Iguodala

<big drop>

6. Kevin Martin
7-9. Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, JJ Redick indistinguishable

<big drop>

10. Monta Ellis

[Mel_13]

18 posts in and I'm the first person to call out Kobe Bryant being at #1? Just choosing from the 10 in the list, I'd go:

1. James Harden
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Manu Ginobili

<big drop>

5. Andre Iguodala

<big drop>

6. Kevin Martin
7-9. Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, JJ Redick indistinguishable

<big drop>

10. Monta Ellis

Actually, you're the 4th.

[Solid D]

I'd consider DeMar DeRozan and Klay Thompson before I would Kevin Martin. Thompson is a much better defender. His problem is he is just still a bit green.

[Mugen]

18 posts in and I'm the first person to call out Kobe Bryant being at #1? Just choosing from the 10 in the list, I'd go:

1. James Harden
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Manu Ginobili

<big drop>

5. Andre Iguodala

<big drop>

6. Kevin Martin
7-9. Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, JJ Redick indistinguishable

<big drop>

10. Monta Ellis

The big drop occurs after #3 tbh. And I'm a huge Manu fan.

[Brunodf]

Iguodala is a SF:bang

[Mel_13]

Iguodala is a SF:bang

He's the SG on this Denver team. Gallinari is the SF.

[Spur Bank]

Actually, you're the 4th.
Oops, must've not scrolled all the way down or something.


I'd consider DeMar DeRozan and Klay Thompson before I would Kevin Martin. Thompson is a much better defender. His problem is he is just still a bit green.
Before Kevin Martin? I wouldn't put either of those two in the top 10, and I don't think of Thompson as a particularly good defender (though neither do I of Martin). Martin brings a LOT of offense while being adequate on defense... the other two bring adequate offense along with adequate defense.

[Brunodf]

He's the SG on this Denver team. Gallinari is the SF.
Iguodala guards Lebron, he is the SF.

[Mel_13]

Iguodala guards Lebron, he is the SF.

No.

http://www.82games.com/1213/12DEN5.HTM#bypos

[Spur Bank]

The big drop occurs after #3 tbh. And I'm a huge Manu fan.
Where I struggle with that is Kobe's defense, which has gotten to be fairly poor. He's the Derek Jeter of defense -- defends hard, looks good to the naked eye, wins awards, people swear by him, but the stats say otherwise. Manu's defensive numbers are better by a considerable margin, while his offensive numbers are only slightly worse (this year).

[Spur-Addict]

Joe Johnson is ahead of Manu at this point. Last year Paul George was a 2, but because of the Granger injury he plays the 3 now. I'd put George ahead of Manu as well.

[Man In Black]

For all the times that Ginobili has bailed the Spurs out in the past, while the mistakes recently are glaring, I consider it just a by-product of trying to do too, too much. Now that TP is back, we should see the Manu that deserves that ranking.

No matter what, it's like Bean said about Manu, "That's 1 bad #2 guard right there."

[Mel_13]

For all the times that Ginobili has bailed the Spurs out in the past, while the mistakes recently are glaring, I consider it just a by-product of trying to do too, too much. Now that TP is back, we should see the Manu that deserves that ranking.

No matter what, it's like Bean said about Manu, "That's 1 bad #2 guard right there."

Good point. Up until Tony's injury, Manu was playing over 50% of his minutes next to Tony. With Tony back, Manu can play off the ball for the majority of minutes.

[mystargtr34]

As most ppl have said its a three-horse race between Harden Wade and Kobe.. and you cant really get too mad about anyone ranking one above the other.. depends what you value more out of scoring.. defense.. ability to get to the line.. playoff history. IMO i would go

1. Wade
2. Kobe
3. Harden

If Harden has a big playoff series and they win at least 2 games i could easily rank him No. 1. You cant really expect the Rockets to beat the Spurs or Thunder but if they get that 6 seed i can see the Rockets giving a team like the Nuggets some trouble.

In terms of PER Manu has a clear advantage over the rest of the SG's so he is probly 4th by default.

[-21-]

Nothing wrong with that list tbh.

[Richie]

Whoever said Klay Thompson has a good shout. Also one could argue Curry plays SG at the end of games with Jarrett Jack handling the point.

[Solid D]

Oops, must've not scrolled all the way down or something.

I don't think of Thompson as a particularly good defender (though neither do I of Martin).

Klay's on-ball defense has been very impressive to me. Coach Jackson put him on Parker in Oakland and he did a real fine job on TP. Off the ball, Klay has a lot to learn, yet...but his physical style and arm techniques in going over the top of screens is actually quite effective.

[superjames1992]

But the Manu haters say he sucks and is washed up and old. Who's right?

[superjames1992]

Manu's PER: 19.77
Iguodala's PER: 14.96

Okay.

Still, I can see Andre's argument for being over Manu, but Manu is certainly solidified in the fourth or fifth SG spot at this point, tbh.

[Kidd K]

Kobe #1? lmao, please.

3: Kobe
2: Harden
1: Wade


I would rather have Wade or Harden on my team than Kobe. Harden will likely be above Wade in a year or two as well as Wade declines and Harden improves slightly. Back on topic though:

And I hate to say it, but Manu is lucky to still be #5. He's definitely declined. His play lately has been really awful. I can't think of any way to defend it unless he's hurt and we don't know it.

[Tuddy]

I'd consider DeMar DeRozan and Klay Thompson before I would Kevin Martin. Thompson is a much better defender. His problem is he is just still a bit green.

This. Thompson is a superstar in the making. He can already shoot, is a very good defender, athletic, can get to the rim and will keep getting better like Kawhi.

[Obstructed_View]

Iguodala guards Lebron, he is the SF.

Wow, that means Bruce Bowen was a power forward when the Spurs played the Mavericks and a point guard when the Spurs played the Suns.

[cd021]

Wow, that means Bruce Bowen was a power forward when the Spurs played the Mavericks and a point guard when the Spurs played the Suns.

Yeah that logic doesn't make since. Splitter may occasionally guard a PF but no one confuses him as being one.

[Raven]

He's better than JJ Redick...and don't tell me he isn't lol

he isn't.

[emanueldavidginobili]

he isn't.

You're crazy. He averages more points, assist, rebounds, better FG % and even a better 3 point % (42% which is pretty damn good) which is suppose to be Redick forte....

[will_spurs]

So what this list says is that... there are only 3 vaguely decent SG in the league right now.

[Captivus]

Manu gets respect because teams are scared of him.
We watch every game so we know he is not having his best moment. At the end, I would still choose him over most SG for the last quarter. Thats the reason he is that high on the list.

[Raven]

You're crazy. He averages more points, assist, rebounds, better FG % and even a better 3 point % (42% which is pretty damn good) which is suppose to be Redick forte....

he's a poison and that's all there is to it. Reddick is a solid role player Mayo is one of those players you have to pray you never get to see with your team.

[emanueldavidginobili]

I mean I think you just hate him. How is he a poison? hes not jacking up 20 shots a game he shoots it 13 times a game JJ Redick shoots it 11 times and they both average 2 turnovers a game. Hes not the same player he was on the Grizzlies, hes maturing and has a lot of upside.

[timtonymanu]

Nothing really wrong with that list, but no JR Smith? At least over Redick. I would even take Smith over Crawford and Kevin Martin.

[phxspurfan]

Rapist Bryant
Flop So Harden
D Roid Whistle
I'm not a true PG WestBrick
Curry Jr.
Monta Ellis
Joe Shoudve Never Left the Suns Johnson
Iggy
Jamal Crawford
Kemba Walker




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Kevin Martin


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Turnobili

[sook]

Harden has been playing better than Kobe this season no doubt, but I just can't put him on top of him at this point. Probbaly next season.

its

Wade
Kobe
Harden.

[will_spurs]

But the Manu haters say he sucks and is washed up and old. Who's right?

A player can be washed up and old AND the 4th best SG in the league. Just means all the other SG really suck.

[Proxy]

If Manu gets his ranking out of respect from his previous seasons, then why are we bitching about Kobe's ranking? He should be #1

[Raven]

I mean I think you just hate him. How is he a poison? hes not jacking up 20 shots a game he shoots it 13 times a game JJ Redick shoots it 11 times and they both average 2 turnovers a game. Hes not the same player he was on the Grizzlies, hes maturing and has a lot of upside.

well, for starters he's a bad defender, has a very low bbiq and is prone to huge stretches where he can't buy a shot.. you don't win with these players as your starters.

[cjw]

Iguodala guards Lebron, he is the SF.

So when Tiago guards DFish, that makes him a douchebag (I mean point guard)?

[Brunodf]

So when Tiago guards DFish, that makes him a douchebag (I mean point guard)?

Well, if Splitter was guarding PGs his entire career before being a Spur, yeah.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Klay Thompson is one of the most overrated players in the league..there's a reason half the Warriors fanbase dislike him at this point..

He's a great shooter that doesn't understand how to efficiently contribute in a successful team offense, evident in the Warriors relatively poor offensive numbers when he's on the floor..he's an average defender, too..

The fact that we're discussing Iguodala, current Manu, Thompson, Derozan, Redick, etc, speaks volumes on the mediocrity of today's SG position, tbh..

[hater]

I'm sorry to say but even Danny Green > SG than Manu

please stop the homerism :rolleyes

[hater]

btw in what alternative universe are Wade or Kobe > Harden???

[Johnny RIngo]

btw in what alternative universe are Wade or Kobe > Harden???

The one where Wade destroyed Harden in the Finals.

[hater]

we are talking about 2013 season here folks

[tmtcsc]

Manu gets respect because teams are scared of him.


I'm getting pretty scared of him nowadays. It's damn frustrating too. I'm more eager to watch Leonard nowadays.

[DMC]

Manu isn't washed up. He's just not 33% of the big 3 any longer. It's more like 25% or less of it now and Parker is like close to 40%. Tim is the rest of course.