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BradLohaus
03-25-2013, 10:28 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-sonterrey-20130324,0,7986430,full.story


Wealthy, business-savvy Mexican immigrants transform Texas city

Settling in San Antonio with private jets and Porsches, their influence has been compared to that of well-heeled Cubans who took refuge in Miami decades ago.

SAN ANTONIO — The Mexican businessmen in Rolexes and Burberry ties meet on the north side of town, at Cielito Lindo Restaurant, or at new neighboring country clubs. Their wives frequent Neiman Marcus, Tiffany's and Brooks Brothers at the nearby mall. Their children park Porsches with Mexican license plates in the student lots at Reagan High School.

They are part of a wave of legal Mexican immigrants who have been overlooked in the national debate over how to deal with their largely impoverished illegal compatriots. Propelled north by drug cartel violence, they paid thousands of dollars to hire attorneys and obtain investors' visas for themselves and their families (including maids). They have regrouped in gated developments in several Texas cities, where their growing influence has been compared to the impact of well-heeled Cuban refugees who arrived in Miami decades ago.

Nowhere is the evidence more striking than in San Antonio, Texas' second-largest city and a short private-jet hop from Monterrey, Mexico, where many of the new immigrants built their wealth. They have poured into developments with names like the Dominion, Stone Oak and Sonterra that were cut into the rocky hills and oak groves north of the Loop 1604 highway that rings the city.

More than 50,000 Mexican nationals now live permanently in San Antonio, city officials say, turning an upscale enclave known as "Sonterrey" or "Little Monterrey" into the city's second-fastest growing ZIP code.

Real estate agent Ana Sarabia caters to the new arrivals — finding them immigration lawyers, new schools, banks and office space — and sees them reshaping her hometown.

"I can see it transitioning," said Sarabia, 45, who lived for a time in Mexico City. "This has always been a bicultural city. Parts of it have now become a new Mexico."

There's Lorena Canales, 40, who moved from Monterrey with her two youngest children two and a half years ago to start a bilingual day care after witnessing a gun battle outside her local Wal-Mart.

Uriel Arnaiz, 40, relocated with his wife and 3-year-old son from Mexico City four years ago to open a high-end tequila import business after some of his son's friends were kidnapped.

José Ramos, 55, moved two years ago from Monterrey to open a restaurant, Vida Mia, after a relative was kidnapped and killed.

It's not clear whether new immigration policies being contemplated in Washington would affect this group of wealthy immigrants, who skip long immigration lines by hiring attorneys in Mexico to apply for business-related visas at U.S. consulates.

Most had to prove they were either employed by a multinational company or had a valid business plan and enough money to start their own. Some had to show American investments worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. Many moved in a matter of weeks, though some said the process had become more difficult in recent years, with tougher screening by U.S. consulates.

Costs vary depending on the type of visa. In many cases, it is cheaper than what a smuggler would charge for an illegal crossing. Attorney fees can range from $1,500 to $6,500, compared with coyote payments of $6,000 or more.

Arnaiz's initial visa allowed him to stay in the U.S. for up to a year. He was able to renew the visa, which is required every two years for up to seven years if he wants to stay. His wife and son were eligible for visas for the same time period (children under age 21 are eligible). While staying in the U.S. on those visas, they were allowed to pursue permanent residency, or green cards, which they got in recent months.

"There's a lot of requirements," Arnaiz said. "You need to have a real, sustainable project."

The visa for professions listed in the North American Free Trade Agreement is relatively quick and cheap to obtain, some said, with attorney fees ranging from $1,500 to $3,000.

During the last decade, the number of such visas issued to Mexicans annually skyrocketed from 686 to 7,601, according to the State Department.

The newcomers — nicknamed "migrantes fresas," or rich migrants — are conspicuous even in this largely Latino city. Sociologists compare the "Mexodus" of professionals to the wave of exiles who fled to Texas after the Mexican Revolution in 1910, or wealthy Cubans who decamped to South Florida after the revolution in 1959.

Former San Antonio Mayor and Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Henry Cisneros, whose grandfather was exiled to San Antonio during the Mexican Revolution, calls them a "new diaspora with the potential to rival the impact Cubans had on Miami."

Harriett Romo, a sociology professor and director of the Mexico Center at the University of Texas at San Antonio, has been studying a dozen Mexican families who immigrated through investor visas.

"What we're seeing is that they move into kind of a new Mexican enclave — it's not a barrio like you would see on the east side of L.A. or west side of San Antonio. It's an upscale Mexican neighborhood with parties at the country club," she said.

Romo found that the new residents don't mix much with lower-income Mexican immigrants or with Mexican Americans, the Tejanos who helped build San Antonio. They are focused instead on "changing the image of the immigrant," she said. "They see themselves as having a very different experience because they come with official visas and more resources."

Writer Sandra Cisneros, a Chicago native who has lived in San Antonio for almost 30 years, says the flow of wealthy immigrants "constantly refreshing the ties" to Mexico has changed the character of the city, which long had the feel of a small town and now has a population of about 1.4 million.

San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, a Mexican American and a rising star in the Democratic Party who has traveled south of the border to recruit businesses, says he hopes the newcomers stay.

"My hope is that they are planting firm roots and will become American citizens and fully participate in the community," he said.

The number of international passengers traveling to San Antonio International Airport increased 132% last year from the year before, and the airport added two new carriers to Mexico.

Flight schools are struggling to meet the demand for pilots to fly Mexicans whose private jets fill the runways of southern Texas.

Pepe Hurtado says many of the clients at his San Antonio luxury car business store their cars in hangars at the airport when they jet back to Mexico.

Cars with plates from the Mexican states of Nuevo Leon and Coahuila also fill the parking lots of the north side's Life Time Fitness, Holy Trinity Catholic Church and HEB grocery.

"You can definitely see it and feel it. There are times I go to HEB and I only hear Spanish," said Sylvia Orduna, 33, who works at a high-end cosmetics company that has seen steady business from new Mexican residents.

Pamela Gardner, 61, has lived at the Sonterra housing development for a decade and has noticed many new Mexican neighbors in the last few years.

"It does put a strain on the schools," Gardner said, noting that some schools have been "capped," turning away new students. She said her daughter, a vice principal at a local school, had to add classes in English as a second language because so many students speak only Spanish.

"You feel bad for the husbands because they're down there during the week and they come on the weekends and have to go back. It's sad," she said of those who commute to work in Mexico.

Newcomers settle in Sonterrey because they hear from friends that the local public schools are highly rated, they have business connections in the area and see billboards in Mexico advertising the gated communities. Some have difficulty adjusting, particularly wives and children accustomed to cooks and chauffeurs.

"We are used to being served and surrounded by help," said Arnaiz, whose wife traded two live-in maids for a Mexican American housekeeper who comes twice a week.

"That's why you see a lot of Mexican nationals here with their maids," he said. "Being here without domestic help, the inside dynamic of the family is different."

Canales, the mother from Monterrey, says her children had to adjust to life without a maid and their father during the week. But she says the trade-off is they can bicycle and hear other kids playing outside — a joyful noise they had not heard for years in Monterrey, where they lived behind high walls and barred windows.

"We had neighbors whose children were kidnapped and never came back," she said.

But in Sonterrey, as in Mexico, gates don't guarantee protection from the cartels.

Last year, one of Arnaiz's neighbors, fellow newcomer Fernando Alejandro Cano Martinez, was charged with laundering money for the Gulf cartel. Two brothers from Guadalajara were charged with using north side homes and businesses as a front for cartel money, which financed their Learjet, an Italian restaurant and other investments.

"We're seeing 'Miami Vice'-type money laundering — shipments of currency and wire transfers from international organizations," said Michael Lemoine, a special agent with the Internal Revenue Service in San Antonio.

It's not clear how permanent the new enclave and its problems are. Many residents are watching to see if the newly elected Mexican president can curb cartel violence enough for them to feel safe moving back to Mexico.

Ramos, the restaurant owner, is among those who have debated returning to Mexico. His daughter Mayela at first struggled with the transition. But when he decided to stay, she agreed.

"All my friends ask me, 'When are you coming back?'" Mayela Ramos, 26, said during the lunchtime rush at the restaurant, as Mexican ladies with designer handbags nibbled fideo, a Mexican pasta, and chatted in Spanish. "But our life is here now."

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I live north of Austin. Anybody in SA notice this trend?

2centsworth
03-25-2013, 10:30 PM
Yes, Stone Oak is now little Mexico

baseline bum
03-25-2013, 11:09 PM
Romo found that the new residents don't mix much with lower-income Mexican immigrants or with Mexican Americans, the Tejanos who helped build San Antonio.

LOL, if there's one thing Mexicans hate, it's Mexican-Americans.

mavs>spurs
03-25-2013, 11:18 PM
a be@ner is a be@ner

Agloco
03-25-2013, 11:23 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-sonterrey-20130324,0,7986430,full.story



I live north of Austin. Anybody in SA notice this trend?

Yes, I remarked about how many Mexican plates I kept seeing right before I left SA. I thought I might simply be imagining things but this article seems to lend some weight to my observations.

Very interesting.

Drachen
03-25-2013, 11:28 PM
You will see a lot more this week. It's funny that despite this government's hated of the rich that we are gaining even more moneyed folks

mrsmaalox
03-26-2013, 12:29 AM
LOL, if there's one thing Mexicans hate, it's Mexican-Americans.

It goes the other way too :lol But it's true, there's a lot of them around here in Sonterra/StoneOak. Sometimes I'll pass up to about 6 different groups of people when I'm out running the trail and they all are speaking Spanish. And I've walked down a hall at Reagan High School during passing period and all the talk is in Spanish. A family from Monterrey moved in next door a few months ago too.

TDMVPDPOY
03-26-2013, 12:38 AM
any country that intakes immigrants who go through the waiting lists, they dont usually care or do a checkup on how you earn ur wealth...as long you have wealth, can contribute and no unforeseeable future of being a burden to the american taxpayer, they let you in....

i dont like it when the majority has to spoil it for the minority who earn there wealth the proper way, but then again shit happens and money makes the world go round

Wild Cobra
03-26-2013, 02:18 AM
They are part of a wave of legal Mexican immigrants who have been overlooked in the national debate
LOL...

Maybe because none of us are complaining about legal immigration!

boutons_deux
03-26-2013, 05:34 AM
"this government's hated of the rich"

:lol

the rich OWN "this government"

Wild Cobra
03-26-2013, 05:54 AM
"this government's hated of the rich"

:lol

the rich OWN "this government"


Only because idiots vote.

boutons_deux
03-26-2013, 08:23 AM
Only because idiots vote.

citizens votes don't count, idiotic or not.

symple19
03-26-2013, 08:33 AM
"Mexodus" is my new favorite word :lol

DarrinS
03-26-2013, 10:44 AM
A lot of them drive unpretentious rides. Haven't seen all these Mexican-plated Porsches.

I have noticed the influx, but we'll gladly take their boost to the local economy. Do they eventually have to get TX lic plates?

Also, can they maintain their status as Mexican citizens and still live here most of the time? Not sure how that works.

rjv
03-26-2013, 11:09 AM
the corrupt run to the US while those victimized by their corruption are illegally here, building their homes and being scapegoated as the problem while the 2 culprits most responsible for illegal immigration (the rich in mexico and US businesses) continue to enjoy the parasitic relationship.

BradLohaus
03-27-2013, 08:03 AM
Thanks for the input. A family friend who sells real estate in the hill country told me that rich South Americans have been buying there for some time. I sent him this article and asked him if he's seen it trending up from Mexico recently; he said definitely. This can't be a good long term sign for Mexico though. It's been said that illegal immigration has slowed recently, but what does it mean when that is combined with this trend? Seems like it means that the article's trend won't be stopping soon. Very long term it means that SA could have the class system of a Mexico City Jr. Or more so than it now does, one could joke.

Drachen
03-27-2013, 08:24 AM
"this government's hated of the rich"

:lol

the rich OWN "this government"



God damn you're an idiot.

boutons_deux
03-27-2013, 08:29 AM
God damn you're an idiot.

did I contradict your 1%/govt loving ideology?

Drachen
03-27-2013, 08:33 AM
did I contract your 1%/govt loving ideology?
Again....

God damn you're an idiot.

Bill_Brasky
03-27-2013, 10:31 AM
Aka drug lords

boutons_deux
03-27-2013, 10:38 AM
Aka drug lords

dunno, the VISA requirements that include permanent residency are pretty steep.

boutons_deux
03-27-2013, 10:39 AM
Again....

so you think your vote really counts and Congress puts the good of the country and the citizens above the 1% and corporations? god damn you're an idiot.

Blake
03-27-2013, 10:50 AM
It's easy to distinguish the Mexican Nationals at the mall or HEB.

The entire family is there shopping, making a day of it.

Drachen
03-27-2013, 11:04 AM
http://mlkshk.com/r/K1XG

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that my post triggered some autoresponses from the boutbot.

TeyshaBlue
03-27-2013, 11:09 AM
http://mlkshk.com/r/K1XG

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that my post triggered some autoresponses from the boutbot.

Beats thinking.:lol

TeyshaBlue
03-27-2013, 11:11 AM
gfy:lmao

Drachen
03-27-2013, 11:13 AM
gfy:lmao

I hate my job, but still need the money so that suggestion seems to be a little reckless in my opinion.

ploto
03-27-2013, 11:14 AM
the corrupt run to the US while those victimized by their corruption are illegally here, building their homes and being scapegoated as the problem while the 2 culprits most responsible for illegal immigration (the rich in mexico and US businesses) continue to enjoy the parasitic relationship.

:tu


Romo found that the new residents don't mix much with lower-income Mexican immigrants ...

This is nothing new. When the big wave of Mexican immigrants came about 100 years ago, it was the same way. It is not like they have anything to do with them in Mexico either.

TeyshaBlue
03-27-2013, 11:27 AM
I hate my job, but still need the money so that suggestion seems to be a little reckless in my opinion.

See the disability thread. Problem solved.

Drachen
03-27-2013, 11:28 AM
See the disability thread. Problem solved.

TB is a problem solver, he solves problems.

Nbadan
03-28-2013, 12:11 AM
Yes, Stone Oak is now little Mexico

No it's not, it's little India..

silverblk mystix
03-28-2013, 08:03 AM
Since when is S.A. - the 2nd biggest city in Texas?

2centsworth
03-28-2013, 08:24 AM
No it's not, it's little India..

We have a very diverse and proud community here. I assure you the Mexican nationals community dwarfs the Indian community in size. That why the Methodist is a fully bilingual hospital.

Stone Oak is an awesome place to live.

Blake
03-28-2013, 08:27 AM
Since when is S.A. - the 2nd biggest city in Texas?

SA passed Dallas a few years back.

Blake
03-28-2013, 08:29 AM
No it's not, it's little India..

That's the Medical Center/USAA area tbh.

Blake
03-28-2013, 08:48 AM
Stone Oak is an awesome place to live.

Culturally speaking, I guess.

Logistically speaking, living in Stone Oak sucks ass.

BobaFett1
03-28-2013, 08:48 AM
SA passed Dallas a few years back.

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Los Angeles, Calif. 3,819,702 3,792,621 3,844,829 3,694,820 3,485,398 209,422 6.0 2 2 2 2
Chicago, Ill. 2,707,120 2,695,598 2,842,518 2,896,016 2,783,726 112,290 4.0 3 3 3 3
Houston, Tex. 2,145,146 2,100,263 2,016,582 1,953,631 1,630,553 323,078 19.8 4 4 4 4
Philadelphia, Pa. 1,536,471 1,526,006 1,463,281 1,517,550 1,585,577 –68,027 –4.3 5 5 5 5
Phoenix, Ariz. 1,469,471 1,445,632 1,461,575 1,321,045 983,403 337,642 34.3 10 6 6 6
San Antonio, Tex. 1,359,758 1,327,407 1,256,509 1,144,646 935,933 208,713 22.3 9 9 7 7
San Diego, Calif. 1,326,179 1,307,402 1,255,540 1,223,400 1,110,549 112,851 10.2 6 7 8 8
Dallas, Tex. 1,223,229 1,197,816 1,213,825 1,188,580 1,006,877 181,703 18.0 8 8 9 9
San Jose, Calif. 967,487 945,942 912,332 894,943 782,248 112,695 14.4 11 11 10 10
Jacksonville, Fla. 827,908 821,784 782,623 735,617 635,230 100,387 15.8 15 14 13 11
Indianapolis, Ind. 827,609 820,445 784,118 781,870 741,952 49,974 6.7 13 12 12 12
Austin, Tex. 820,611 790,390 690,252 656,562 465,622 190,940 41.0 25 16 16 14
San Francisco, Calif. 812,826 805,235 739,426 776,733 723,959 52,774 7.3 14 13 14 13
Columbus, Ohio 797,434 787,033 730,657 711,470 632,910 78,560 12.4 16 15 15 15
Fort Worth, Tex. 758,738 741,206 624,067 534,694 447,619 87,075 19.5 29 27 19 16
Charlotte, N.C. 751,087 731,424 610,949 540,828 395,934 144,894 36.6 33 26 20 17
Detroit, Mich. 706,585 713,777 886,671 951,270 1,027,974 –76,704 –7.5 7 10 11 18
El Paso, Tex. 665,568 649,121 598,590 563,662 515,342 48,320 9.4 22 23 21 19
Memphis, Tenn. 652,050 646,889 672,277 650,100 610,337 39,763 6.5 18 18 17 20
Boston, Mass. 625,087 617,594 559,034 589,141 574,283 14,858 2.6 20 20 24 22
Seattle, Wash. 620,778 608,660 573,911 563,374 516,259 47,115 9.1 21 24 23 23
Denver, Colo. 619,968 600,158 557,917 554,636 467,610 87,026 18.6 28 25 25 26
Baltimore, Md. 619,493 620,961 635,815 651,154 736,014 –84,860 –11.5 12 17 18 21
Washington, DC 617,996 601,723 550,521 572,059 606,900 –34,841 –5.7 19 21 27 24
Nashville-Davidson, Tenn.1 609,644 601,222 549,110 545,524 510,784 59,107 11.6 26 22 28 25
Louisville-Jefferson County, Ky.2 602,011 597,337 556,429 256,231 269,063 12,832 –4.8 58 67 26 27
Milwaukee, Wis. 597,867 594,833 578,887 596,974 628,088 –31,114 –5.0 17 19 22 28
Portland, Ore. 593,820 583,776 533,427 529,121 437,319 91,802 21.0 27 28 30 29
Oklahoma City, Okla. 591,967 579,999 531,324 506,132 444,719 61,413 13.8 30 29 31 31
Oklahoma City, Okla. 591,967 579,999 531,324 506,132 444,719 61,413 13.8 30 29 31 31
Las Vegas, Nev. 589,317 583,756 545,147 478,434 258,295 220,139 85.2 63 32 29 30
Albuquerque, N.M. 552,804 545,852 494,236 448,607 384,736 63,871 16.6 40 35 33 32
Tucson, Ariz. 525,796 520,116 515,526 486,699 405,390 81,309 20.1 34 30 32 33
Fresno, Calif. 501,362 494,665 461,116 427,652 354,202 73,450 20.7 48 37 36 34
Sacramento, Calif. 472,178 466,488 456,441 407,018 369,365 37,653 10.2 37 40 37 35
Long Beach, Calif. 465,576 462,257 474,014 461,522 429,433 32,089 7.5 32 34 34 36
Kansas City, Mo. 463,202 459,787 444,965 441,545 435,146 6,399 1.5 31 36 40 37
Mesa, Ariz. 446,518 439,041 442,780 396,375 288,091 108,284 37.6 53 42 41 38
Virginia Beach, Va. 442,707 437,994 438,415 425,257 393,069 32,188 8.2 39 38 42 39
Atlanta, Ga. 432,427 420,003 470,688 416,474 394,017 22,457 5.7 38 39 35 40
Colorado Springs, Colo. 426,388 416,427 369,815 360,890 281,140 79,750 28.4 54 48 49 41
Raleigh, N.C. 416,468 403,892 – – – – – – – – 43
Omaha, Nebr. 415,068 408,958 414,521 390,007 335,795 54,212 16.1 47 44 43 42
Miami, Fla. 408,750 399,457 386,417 362,470 358,548 3,922 1.1 46 47 45 44
Tulsa, Okla. 396,466 391,906 382,457 393,049 367,302 25,747 7.0 44 43 46 46
Oakland, Calif. 395,817 390,724 395,274 399,484 372,242 27,242 7.3 35 41 44 47
Cleveland, Ohio 393,806 396,815 452,208 478,403 505,616 –27,213 –5.4 23 33 39 45
Minneapolis, Minn. 387,753 382,578 372,811 382,618 368,383 14,235 3.9 43 45 48 48
Wichita, Kans. 384,445 382,368 353,823 344,284 – – – – 50 51 49
Arlington, Tex. 373,698 365,438 362,805 332,969 261,721 71,248 27.2 62 54 50 50
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jjktkk
03-28-2013, 08:58 AM
Since when is S.A. - the 2nd biggest city in Texas?

Its been that way for a few years now. But were talking about just the city limits, not the metro area, since DFW metro area is obviously larger than S.A.'s metro area.

BobaFett1
03-28-2013, 09:01 AM
Its been that way for a few years now. But were talking about just the city limits, not the metro area, since DFW metro area is obviously larger than S.A.'s metro area.

true true

boutons_deux
03-28-2013, 09:04 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest-income_metropolitan_statistical_areas_in_the_Unite d_States

San Antonio is way behind D and H metro areas.

Blake
03-28-2013, 09:45 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest-income_metropolitan_statistical_areas_in_the_Unite d_States

San Antonio is way behind D and H metro areas.

SA is way behind a lot of cities in the US in that regard.

Media market is ranked somewhere around the 40s

rjv
03-28-2013, 10:02 AM
personally, i love the fact that SA is surrounded by smaller communities such as new braunfels, boerne and seguin as opposed to other large cities

TeyshaBlue
03-28-2013, 10:08 AM
NB is getting too big for my tastes now, tbh.

Loved it back in the 70's & 80's tho.

CosmicCowboy
03-28-2013, 11:09 AM
NB is getting too big for my tastes now, tbh.

Loved it back in the 70's & 80's tho.

Downtown NB is getting to be a hoppin place. I'm installing a microbrewery there right now.

Technically, I'm not, my guys are.

rjv
03-28-2013, 11:30 AM
since i live near NB (about 10 minutes from gruene), i go there quite often. i will most definitely be hitting the pubs come playoff time.

mrsmaalox
03-28-2013, 11:38 AM
Culturally speaking, I guess.

Logistically speaking, living in Stone Oak sucks ass.

I'm fine with it. I have everything I need in the area, but being a sahm, I don't need to venture out of here too often. I also prefer heading out north to the hill country than south into town.

Blake
03-28-2013, 11:44 AM
I'm fine with it. I have everything I need in the area, but being a sahm, I don't need to venture out of here too often. I also prefer heading out north to the hill country than south into town.

I lived around the Wilderness/Hardy Oak area for about five years. The commute was a bitch and a half.

mrsmaalox
03-28-2013, 11:54 AM
I lived around the Wilderness/Hardy Oak area for about five years. The commute was a bitch and a half.

That's pretty deep up in Stone Oak and quite a trek just to get to 281 or 1604. I live right off Evans behind Bush MS so getting to those main roads is pretty easy.

CosmicCowboy
03-28-2013, 11:59 AM
That's pretty deep up in Stone Oak and quite a trek just to get to 281 or 1604. I live right off Evans behind Bush MS so getting to those main roads is pretty easy.

* WC accessing google earth*

Blake
03-28-2013, 12:48 PM
That's pretty deep up in Stone Oak and quite a trek just to get to 281 or 1604. I live right off Evans behind Bush MS so getting to those main roads is pretty easy.

yeah, being right there, you've got that big heb, target, Alamo draft house, etc but getting up and down 281 from your spot is still a bitch during rush hour.

spursncowboys
03-28-2013, 12:51 PM
Used to do valet at Bigas on the Banks. Mexicans (I mean ones actually from Mexico) are terrible tippers!

Blake
03-28-2013, 12:59 PM
When i was a kid working as a checker at HEB, there were Mexicans that came through my line on a couple of occasions that tried to negotiate prices on items like perfume and kitchen utensils.

Being a kid, I thought they were joking.

spursncowboys
03-28-2013, 01:07 PM
:lmao I remember when I sprinted a quarter mile and missed every light and had their brand new benz pulled up quick. The mexican dude patted me on the back and threw me two quarters with a look of "you deserve every cent of it"

TeyshaBlue
03-28-2013, 01:15 PM
I'm fine with it. I have everything I need in the area, but being a sahm,

Snarky, Assured, Hillbilly, Momma?:lol

spursncowboys
03-28-2013, 01:43 PM
NB is getting too big for my tastes now, tbh.

Loved it back in the 70's & 80's tho.
Might as well be north san antonio, since from 1604 to NB on 35 doesn't really have any break anymore.

mrsmaalox
03-28-2013, 02:17 PM
Snarky, Assured, Hillbilly, Momma?:lol

Close. But in my mind the H stand for "hawt" :D

NASpurs
03-28-2013, 02:22 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest-income_metropolitan_statistical_areas_in_the_Unite d_States

San Antonio is way behind D and H metro areas.

What a shitty list to be in that low but at least we're higher on it than Miami. :lol

TeyshaBlue
03-28-2013, 02:34 PM
Close. But in my mind the H stand for "hawt" :D

Hillbilly it is, then!:p:

Wild Cobra
03-28-2013, 02:36 PM
Hillbilly it is, then!:p:
Is that because she can't spell "hot" correctly?

TeyshaBlue
03-28-2013, 02:49 PM
Is that because she can't spell "hot" correctly?

No. It's because I harbor a (not so latent) death-wish.

rjv
03-28-2013, 03:23 PM
Might as well be north san antonio, since from 1604 to NB on 35 doesn't really have any break anymore.

pretty much. it's universal city, schertz and then cibolo right before NB. even the gap between NB and san marcos is closing and San Marcos between austin is pretty much kyle and then buda. san antonio and austin are seemingly destined to become the next dallas/fort worth (even if the census never maps it out that way).

Blake
03-28-2013, 03:29 PM
Selma cops along 35 serve as a reminder that Selma still exists

rjv
03-28-2013, 03:30 PM
Selma cops along 35 serve as a reminder that Selma still exists

not just selma-schertz, universal city and cibolo PDs are all insanely overzealous

mrsmaalox
03-28-2013, 03:35 PM
No. It's because I harbor a (not so latent) death-wish.

Oh puhleeze, everyone here knows I don't have a murderous bone in my body!


:splitter

Blake
03-28-2013, 03:39 PM
Suck A Hotdog, Maalox

mrsmaalox
03-28-2013, 03:48 PM
Suck A Hotdog, Maalox

:lol Good one!

spursfan09
03-28-2013, 04:53 PM
I think I have noticed it. They sure do drive slow.

FkLA
03-28-2013, 05:16 PM
Rich people are snobby as shit tbh. I was eating at Maggianos not too long ago and saw a 1%er and his family there, they were disgustingly pretentious.

EVAY
03-28-2013, 05:31 PM
Back to the OP.

It is absolutely noticeable to me. I moved to the general San Antonio area about 18 years ago and then moved to the Northwest side about 6 years ago, and that is when I really started noticing the influx.

The article references families where the husband goes to work in Mexico during the week and returns here on the weekends. There are three people on our block who do that.

Some of the true mansions in the Dominion are owned by Mexican Nationals (that is what wealthy Mexican immigrants are called until they get their citizenship - as opposed to the poor immigrants who are called something considerably less flattering), and I am thrilled that they are living and spending here.

I don't know of anyone here who is not pleased about it except some of the 'old San Antonio' Anglo families who believe they should still be running the earth and are threatened by the overwhelming wealth that these folks are bringing up here with them. I always want to ask them "does the name Custer mean anything to you?" :lol

AFBlue
03-28-2013, 07:27 PM
Culturally speaking, I guess.

Logistically speaking, living in Stone Oak sucks ass.

Unless you work in the area too. I have a five-minute commute to work and I don't even get on 281.

But if I change jobs, I'm screwed. :lol

DarrinS
03-28-2013, 08:32 PM
Stone Oak is an ocean of rooftops, tbh

Too many people clusterfarked in that area

Blake
03-28-2013, 08:57 PM
Unless you work in the area too. I have a five-minute commute to work and I don't even get on 281.

But if I change jobs, I'm screwed. :lol

You either work at a school, retail, doctors office, or Chase. There's nothing else.

edit: ....or a Mormon church, or sonterra security...

DMC
03-31-2013, 12:04 PM
Drug cartel leaders

admiralsnackbar
04-01-2013, 05:00 PM
I don't know of anyone here who is not pleased about it except some of the 'old San Antonio' Anglo families who believe they should still be running the earth and are threatened by the overwhelming wealth that these folks are bringing up here with them. I always want to ask them "does the name Custer mean anything to you?" :lol

This is so absolutely true. The old money families in this town (particularly 09ers) really fail to accept or even understand the kind of wealth some of these Mexicans bring to the city, which is ultimately a fumbled business opportunity as much as a commentary on their own lack of imagination and self-confidence.



Drug cartel leaders

Maybe a few, but people who hold this point of view tend to not be aware that Mexico maintains one of the top 15 GDP rates in the world. That money has to end up somewhere, and as RJV pointed out waaaay upstream, it is usually concentrated across a microscopic percentile of the Mexican population, resulting in obscenely wealthy oligarchs.

rjv
04-01-2013, 05:10 PM
This is so absolutely true. The old money families in this town (particularly 09ers) really fail to accept or even understand the kind of wealth some of these Mexicans bring to the city, which is ultimately a fumbled business opportunity as much as a commentary on their own lack of imagination and self-confidence.




Maybe a few, but people who hold this point of view tend to not be aware that Mexico maintains one of the top 15 GDP rates in the world. That money has to end up somewhere, and as RJV pointed out waaaay upstream, it is usually concentrated across a microscopic percentile of the Mexican population, resulting in obscenely wealthy oligarchs.

good to hear from you again, admiral !

CosmicCowboy
04-01-2013, 05:11 PM
I'm glad they are here.

Blake
04-01-2013, 05:23 PM
My only complaint is that Mexicans have a terrible sense of American style personal space and general shopping courtesy.

admiralsnackbar
04-01-2013, 05:23 PM
good to hear from you again, admiral !
Igualmente, doctor!

CosmicCowboy
04-01-2013, 05:24 PM
My only complaint is that Mexicans have a terrible sense of American style personal space and general shopping courtesy.

They can have the shopping malls. I buy my consumer goods on Amazon or ebay anyway. And as for Lowes or Home Depot, you never see them there. They have wetbacks to do that shit for them.

CosmicCowboy
04-01-2013, 05:28 PM
http://rlv.zcache.com/fishing_bobber_in_water_postcard-rbbde58f3a14c40c78a8c2cdb0b067e43_vgbaq_8byvr_512. jpg

DarrinS
04-01-2013, 06:44 PM
^lol

mrsmaalox
04-02-2013, 12:23 AM
My only complaint is that Mexicans have a terrible sense of American style personal space and general shopping courtesy.

My son works at Target at the Vineyard----his only complaint about his job is dealing with "Nationals who think the rules don't apply to them".