Pop was outcoached, tbh..

[HarlemHeat37]

Miami had only 1 guy that can create his own shot in the lineup tonight, and they barely ran any offense through him in the 2nd half..

They killed the Spurs with ball moment and simple screen action, despite having a bunch of players that can't even create their own shot..

The Spurs never adjusted on either side of the floor..

Why the fuck was Bonner even on the floor late in the game anyways?..

[HarlemHeat37]

Pop vs. Spoelstra is one of the only matchups that favors the Spurs against the Heat in a potential series, tbh..

It's discouraging that Spoelstra can outcoach him and run a system without Lebron/Wade that beat Pop's team at full strength, tbh..

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Pop getting out coached is nothing new. He's also been out coached by Scott Brooks, Alvin Gentry, and Lionel Hollins.

[phxspurfan]

Pop wasn't coaching well today for some reason. When his players put forth shitty effort he kinda checks out too.

[ElNono]

Splitter only 4 shots... Spurs win 85% of their games when he has 10+ touches... give credit to phillybeaner, he knew how to hurt us

[Juggity]

Why the fuck was Bonner even on the floor late in the game anyways?..

This is a good question. I didn't even realize he was out there for most of the time that he was...He simply disappeared, hovering around the perimeter waiting for open shots and failing to take open shots once they appeared.

If he's not out there spreading the floor, what is he doing out there at all?

[therealtruth]

Pop getting out coached is nothing new. He's also been out coached by Scott Brooks, Alvin Gentry, and Lionel Hollins.

Father Time is undefeated even against coaches.

[Spurs Brazil]

Heat defense destroyed the Spurs. It was a clinic.

[DesignatedT]

You can call it being "out-coached" because he didn't have his guys ready to play and focused for the game if that is what you are getting at. That's about the extent of it though.

And that's the sole reason the Spurs lost tonight.

[mercos]

Pop is a great coach, but player rotations are his weakness. Spurs went far to long with DeColo, Diaw, and Jackson on the floor in the fourth. Playing Bonner in crunch time is also perplexing.

[timtonymanu]

I really didn't see any fire out of the players except Duncan, Kawhi, and Jack to an extent.

[Josepatches_]

They killed the Spurs with ball moment and simple screen action, despite having a bunch of players that can't even create their own shot..



That's basketball. Ball Movement,Extra pass and Wide open shots

[DesignatedT]

Pop playing Bonner was just to take the shotblocker out of the paint. Did you see all those uncontested Kawhi dunks?

Teams don't respect Diaw's 3 ball and he doesn't want to shoot it anyway. Jack is also a poor stretch 4 because of his extra long release.

[HarlemHeat37]

That's basketball. Ball Movement,Extra pass and Wide open shots

Pop gets a ton of credit from the media for his system, promoting ball movement, etc..

Pop received a lot of praise for the Spurs scrubs almost defeating the Heat, and for defeating the Bulls..

When he gets outcoached using the same principles, he deserves the blame..

[Johnny RIngo]

Pop getting out coached is nothing new. He's also been out coached by Scott Brooks, Alvin Gentry, and Lionel Hollins.

Getting outcoached by Avery Johnson has to be the top of the list. He had a superstar in Duncan playing out of his mind that series and still lost to a weaker Dallas team.

[siraulo23]

heat shut parker down ~ball game

it's gonna happen in the POs too

[bklynspursfan]

This is a game where he should've gotten himself ejected early on. And definitely should've played Jackson in the 4th. Jack finally looked comfortable and fired up out there and he sits on the bench for Bonner.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't think Pop got outcoached by Lionel Hollins or Scott Brooks, tbh..

[DesignatedT]

Parker shut Parker down. Heat didn't shut anybody down. The Spurs just didn't show up tonight.

/thread
/meltdown.

[ElNono]

Pop playing Bonner was just to take the shotblocker out of the paint. Did you see all those uncontested Kawhi dunks?

Teams don't respect Diaw's 3 ball and he doesn't want to shoot it anyway. Jack is also a poor stretch 4 because of his extra long release.

Bonner didn't want to shoot it either... I'll take Diaw defense, blocking out and rebounding...

[HarlemHeat37]

Ya, this was one of the only good games Stephen Jackson has had in his 2nd stint with the Spurs..it would have been cool to see him on the floor instead of the Red Haired Vagina, tbh..

[HarlemHeat37]

Parker shut Parker down. Heat didn't shut anybody down. The Spurs just didn't show up tonight.

/thread
/meltdown.

It won't be pretty when he's against Lebron or Wade, tbh..

[DesignatedT]

Bonner didn't want to shoot it either... I'll take Diaw defense, blocking out and rebounding...

Didn't say I agreed with it but I understand what he was trying to do.

I know you are the #1 Bonner hater on the site so I can't win here anyway. Move along..

[Brunodf]

Pop playing Bonner was just to take the shotblocker out of the paint. Did you see all those uncontested Kawhi dunks?

Did u see Bonner? He disappeared, Duncan and Tony were shooting contested jumpers, Bonner doesn't set screens/play D/rebound/move/score.

[DesignatedT]

Plus, We really missed Diaw's 1.9 RPG he's averaging over the last 10 games!

[Ice009]

Pop coaches with fear. Always seems to want to make his players feel that they are inferior in an effort to keep them humble, play with the appropriate amount of fear, then gets his ass handed to him by whatever coach is the flavor of the day. He needs to pump his players up more and stop implying that they aren't that good.

It's not the quality of coach that's he going up against either, if their team is high up in the standings and has a pathetic coach, Pop still finds a way to be out coached every now and then. Instead of going for the throat, for the kill, he seems to dick around. He needs to DEMAND that his team blow out a short handed team like Miami. He should have been on them to completely dismantle the Heat, instead, the Heat totally embarrass the Spurs. This win will actually give Miami even more confidence (not like they needed it), but it will give them even more confidence.

Pop got totally destroyed psychologically. The Heat did what the Spurs did to them by resting their best two players (two of the best players in the NBA), and still won the game on the Spurs' home floor. That is as total bitch slap.

Putting Bonner out there too was another shit move. When Bonner passed up that open 3, it slowed down our momentum that we had going. Fucking useless player Bonner. The bigs on this team are total fucking shit. Pop needs to just let Tim Duncan coach, because he would be absolutely nothing without Tim bailing him out time and time again. Pathetic bigs the Spurs have assembled, and pathetic rotations from Pop.

[therealtruth]

I don't think Pop got outcoached by Lionel Hollins or Scott Brooks, tbh..

I don't know how you can get backdoor swept without being out coached.

[DesignatedT]

Did u see Bonner? He disappeared, Duncan and Tony were shooting contested jumpers, Bonner doesn't set screens/play D/rebound/move/score.

Fuck Bonner. I hope he disappears and never plays again. Spurs need to find a new stretch 4 immediately and have for awhile.

I just said I understand what Pop was doing there and all those uncontested dunks that Leonard was getting was not a coincidence.

[benefactor]

Shameful.

[Johnny RIngo]

Parker shut Parker down. Heat didn't shut anybody down. The Spurs just didn't show up tonight.

/thread
/meltdown.

Did you forget the way the Heat destroyed the Bulls two years ago. You're not gonna beat Miami if your best player is a point guard.

[Brunodf]

Fuck Bonner. I hope he disappears and never plays again. Spurs need to find a new stretch 4 immediately and have for awhile.

I just said I understand what Pop was doing there and all those uncontested dunks that Leonard was getting was not a coincidence.
I don't, he has Jack/Diaw/Splitter on the bench

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't know how you can get backdoor swept without being out coached.

Durant and Harden were better than any Spurs players + their bigs making all their jump shots + historically poor officiating in game 6..

[ElNono]

Plus, We really missed Diaw's 1.9 RPG he's averaging over the last 10 games!

Yeah, Diaw stripping Paul just two nights ago to seal the Spurs victory is a play Bonner does every game... like today!

[DesignatedT]

I don't, he has Jack/Diaw/Splitter on the bench

What they were doing was obviously not working.

[DesignatedT]

Yeah, Diaw stripping Paul just two nights ago to seal the Spurs victory is a play Bonner does every game... like today!

Lol

[DesignatedT]

Did you forget the way the Heat destroyed the Bulls two years ago. You're not gonna beat Miami if your best player is a point guard.

Ok. Lets try to make it to the Finals first.

[ElNono]

Ya, this was one of the only good games Stephen Jackson has had in his 2nd stint with the Spurs..it would have been cool to see him on the floor instead of the Red Haired Vagina, tbh..

yep

[ElNono]

Let me state the Spurs had other problems much more serious than Bonner... but when you're already playing catchup, there's no need to give the other team advantages...

[siraulo23]

tbh, if any spurs loss deserve an ST meltdown it's this one

no matter how you spin this ish, spurs lost lebron,wade,chalmers - less heat team

[DesignatedT]

Spurs just weren't there mentally. You can point the finger a million different ways about this or that but that is the 1 and only reason the Spurs lost the game. That's it.

[EricB]

The shit fuck effort the team gave had zilch to do with it.



same old tired Spurstalk.

[benefactor]

Pop semen shield engaged.

[DesignatedT]

Well I think focus and effort go hand in hand. There was none of either.

[Obstructed_View]

The shit fuck effort the team gave had zilch to do with it.



same old tired Spurstalk.

Not thinking any responsibility for the effort of the team lies with the coach.

Same old tired T Park.

[timtonymanu]

Pop semen shield engaged.

:lol Followed up by a "same old SpursTalk" comment like always

[Budkin]

Keep this thread bumped. We're going to need it all week, starting tomorrow.

[HarlemHeat37]

Of course the effort/focus was poor, but part of that is on the coach, and it was clear that Miami outplayed the Spurs from a basketball standpoint as well, which shouldn't have occurred with their available personnel..especially against a HOF coach..

[Budkin]

tbh, if any spurs loss deserve an ST meltdown it's this one

no matter how you spin this ish, spurs lost lebron,wade,chalmers - less heat team

This. Total fucking embarrassment. I hope none of them can sleep.

[ElNono]

Pop just said in the postgame that Tiago couldn't score so they played Bonner because the team needed scoring...


?????

[therealtruth]

Durant and Harden were better than any Spurs players + their bigs making all their jump shots + historically poor officiating in game 6..

That's my point. It takes some pretty good luck to lose four straight games. Coaching was definitely a factor as in the Thunder made adjustments and Pop didn't.

[TheGoldStandard]

What a disgraceful performance tonight by everyone not named Kawhi Leonard. Tim had a great matchup for most of the game but was not aggressive calling for the ball. Danny Green was weak sauce on defense all game long, Matt Bonner should never have been in there at all just a waste of space. Tony shit the bed, kept shooting 3 point shots instead of attacking and creating or at least coming off with a jump shot in his range.

I never see Pop coach anyone up at all, he just argues with refs now and sits there with his arms folded.

[Robz4000]

Hopefully Pop sends everyone to Memphis tomorrow night. Need that win now.

[HarlemHeat37]

I rarely play the "Pop was outcoached" card, tbh, I'm not one of those idiots that blames everything on Pop..

I probably won't blame him if they lose to Memphis or OKC, either..

Losing to a team that ran half it's offense through Norris Cole/Ray Allen penetration and simple pin down screens for 3s is horrible, tbh..virtually Miami's entire roster tonight consisted of 3-point specialists, yet it didn't appear that the Spurs had a gameplan against them..

[Obstructed_View]

Pop just said in the postgame that Tiago couldn't score so they played Bonner because the team needed scoring...


?????
What a fucking retard.

[Warlord23]

IDK why this is such a shock to the regulars. This is not about Spoelstra or Scott Brooks coming up with some novel scheme to fool Pop. The Spurs' achilles heel is an active defense that can occasionally trap the ball handler, rotate quickly, close out on the shooters, etc. Sometimes the 3 ball bails us out, but won't fall often enough to win 4 games out of 7 against Miami/OKC.

Out of all the leading players on contending team, Tony Parker is probably the easiest to scheme against defensively as an opposing coach. It's not his fault that PG-led pick-n-roll teams are easier to stop.

[TheGoldStandard]

What a fucking retard.

Yup, it doesn't help when you have point guards who can't get the ball into the post.. Tiago was very passive but didn't get enough touches. Tony Parker kept shooting 3's for some reason and didn't attack which was mind boggling. Danny Green played shit defense always in the paint for some reason when his man is sitting at the 3 point line waiting for the pass.

[RD2191]

tiago was pure embarrassment tonight

[Ice009]

Probably the worst loss of the season.

This tough stretch of games was supposed to sharpen the Spurs up. The players have said prior to tonight that these games have been good for them, I disagree. It looks like to me, that all the Spurs have learned in these games is that they are playing a mediocre, substandard brand of Basketball. Sloppy play, mediocre effort and lack of attention to detail will get you bounced in the playoffs very quickly. Spurs players better realize that this is how they have played in this stretch of games. They certainly haven't been playing great basketball as a whole.

[RD2191]

tim duncan tho, being double teamed at 36, fukin badass:hat

[ElNono]

I rarely play the "Pop was outcoached" card, tbh, I'm not one of those idiots that blames everything on Pop..

I probably won't blame him if they lose to Memphis or OKC, either..

Losing to a team that ran half it's offense through Norris Cole/Ray Allen penetration and simple pin down screens for 3s is horrible, tbh..virtually Miami's entire roster tonight consisted of 3-point specialists, yet it didn't appear that the Spurs had a gameplan against them..

To be fair, Green kept packing the paint and leaving Mike Miller open... short of benching Green (not an option), I don't know what Pop could've done... some stuff was boneheaded, and I hope Verde gets a long ass tape session after this game

[mercos]

I rarely play the "Pop was outcoached" card, tbh, I'm not one of those idiots that blames everything on Pop..

I probably won't blame him if they lose to Memphis or OKC, either..

Losing to a team that ran half it's offense through Norris Cole/Ray Allen penetration and simple pin down screens for 3s is horrible, tbh..virtually Miami's entire roster tonight consisted of 3-point specialists, yet it didn't appear that the Spurs had a gameplan against them..

This. The Heat got way too many open looks from beyond the arc for a team with no play makers.

[Obstructed_View]

tiago was pure embarrassment tonight

You must be confusing the tall white guys on the team.

[Obstructed_View]

To be fair, Green kept packing the paint and leaving Mike Miller open... short of benching Green (not an option), I don't know what Pop could've done... some stuff was boneheaded, and I hope Verde gets a long ass tape session after this game

The Spurs didn't learn from Michael Finley doing it, I don't see how they're going to learn from Green doing it.

[superjames1992]

The Spurs never adjusted on either side of the floor..

Why the fuck was Bonner even on the floor late in the game anyways?..
Tbh, inserting Bonner was a good move. The Spurs went on a run with his floor spacing and Tony was able to actually penetrate to the basket for once. Then CIA Pop took Bonner out with 30 seconds left and the Spurs blatantly blew a three-point lead.

Bonner didn't really do anything positive, but the fact that he was out there meant that Miami had to cover him, which created shots for others.

[benefactor]

Pop just said in the postgame that Tiago couldn't score so they played Bonner because the team needed scoring...


?????
:lol:lol

...and just like that all that bullshit about defense goes out the window. I knew The Spirit of Nellie would show up eventually.

[superjames1992]

Pop playing Bonner was just to take the shotblocker out of the paint. Did you see all those uncontested Kawhi dunks?
Yeah, the Spurs' dribble penetration in the fourth was pretty much a direct result of Bonner being in the game.

Tbh, Bonner may have some use in the NBA Finals as a floor spacer for a few minutes each game. He's a good matchup against the Heat's weak inside game.

[ElNono]

Tbh, inserting Bonner was a good move. The Spurs went on a run with his floor spacing and Tony was able to actually penetrate to the basket for once. Then CIA Pop took Bonner out with 30 seconds left and the Spurs blatantly blew a three-point lead.

Bonner didn't really do anything positive, but the fact that he was out there meant that Miami had to cover him, which created shots for others.

uh? Tony was 0-4 the last 2-3 mins getting his shit pushed in the paint... the scoring came from Kawhi back cuts and TD shooting a jumpshot... not saying Tiago would've made a huge difference, but he only got 4 shots all night...

[benefactor]

:lol Pop...how the fuck are you going to say you need more scoring when you are trying to beat Mike Miller and Norris Fucking Cole? That's an unbelievable statement.

[jjktkk]

Outcoached, outplayed, a Bonner sighting. Pretty disappointing night.

[ElNono]

:lol Pop...how the fuck are you going to say you need more scoring when you are trying to beat Mike Miller and Norris Fucking Cole? That's an unbelievable statement.

He said that without Manu, Tony was the only guy that could create offense for us except for TD, and they shut him down with the aggressive screens and doubles...

He definitely is right on that assessment, the question is what are we going to do when that happens again?

[timtonymanu]

Pop just said in the postgame that Tiago couldn't score so they played Bonner because the team needed scoring...


?????

:facepalm

Please don't, Pop. Your coaching has been better this year. Don't revert back to Bonner ball.

[Brunodf]

:lolPop postgame, blaming Splitter

[RD2191]

splitter was shit tonight, he never got into scoring position.

[TheGoldStandard]

It was just a horrible game all around. Good thing we won't see Mike Miller in the playoffs, gawd. Is Tony scared of contact in the paint? Just a piss poor defensive game for us too.. Danny Green needs to get smacked wandering into the paint for who knows what reason.

[boutons_deux]

Pop looked like he didn't give a fuck, all game

[UZER]

Outcoached, outplayed, a Bonner sighting. Pretty disappointing night.

Hey Bonner knows the system and deserves those minutes.

Lol being the best 3 pt shooter on this team but unwilling to take a 3 pt shot.

Edit: And Bonner doesn't spread shit when other teams know they just have to look at him and he passes the ball.

[Fabbs]

Outcoached, outplayed, a Bonner sighting. Pretty disappointing night.
schtikkk is that you?!
Did you accidently log into the wrong troll account?

[TheGoldStandard]

Hey Bonner knows the system and deserves those minutes.

Lol being the best 3 pt shooter on this team but unwilling to take a 3 pt shot.

Edit: And Bonner doesn't spread shit when other teams know they just have to look at him and he passes the ball.

Bonner had some funny moments tonight when Ray Allen came out to contest a 3 and he decided to pass.. At least the Heat don't have viable tape from tonight's game, just a horrible game all together.

[BatManu20]

Pop looked like he didn't give a fuck, all game

Basically this. Any time you play Bonner for long stretches, especially when trying to rally, you know you're not taking it very seriously.

[silverblk mystix]

schtikkk is that you?!
Did you accidently log into the wrong troll account?


:lol

[tmtcsc]

The Spurs looked flat tonight. I have to give credit to the Heat for taking the Spurs out of their comfort zone too. They pushed the Spurs' offense away from the basket by picking up the pressure just past half court. It caused issues for Tony and we all know he doesn't like having tall guys guard him or double him. He didn't push the issue until the 4th quarter.

The Heat Defense made the Spurs look discombobulated as well. Spoelstra should be elated from what he got out of his guys.

The call on Leonard at the end was one of the worst I've seen this year but I won't blame the loss on the ref. Even with the FT's we were still up 1. Even a win would have been lackluster because we got pushed around and out-physical'd. Still, a W would have been a W.

On another note, "Senior" from Orange County Chopper was sitting next to Amy Duncan tonight. I imagine he is in town to take a look at Duncan's shop.

[TJastal]

Pop is a great coach, but player rotations are his weakness. Spurs went far to long with DeColo, Diaw, and Jackson on the floor in the fourth. Playing Bonner in crunch time is also perplexing.

Half the job of coaching is to know who to put in the game and when.

[UZER]

schtikkk is that you?!
Did you accidently log into the wrong troll account?

:lol in one thread making fun of spurs fans over reacting to Bonner getting "insignificant" minutes in games. Then post that he's disappointed with Bonner sighting in this thread.

[DesignatedT]

I just watched the Pop postgame. His exact quote was "It wasn't about the bigs, it was about needing to score and I thought Matt could loosen it up (the court) a bit for us"

People seriously have a problem with that quote or are you just looking for shit to troll with because he isn't throwing anybody under the bus with that statement.

When asked if he thought it worked, he replied with "We scored 86 points"

[SA210]

Look out for Pop playing Bonner more in crucial moments over Splitter simply because he was questioned about it.

[TheGoldStandard]

Look out for Pop playing Bonner more in crucial moments over Splitter simply because he was questioned about it.

Shit, I can see the SportsCenter Top 10 highlights finishing with Javale McGee teabagging Bonner in the lane and Pop cheering because Bonner kept his arms up in the air.

[UZER]

Look out for Pop playing Bonner more in crucial moments over Splitter simply because he was questioned about it.

:lol and the spurs system is so damn hard, splitter still hasn't learned it in three years so it is unfair to him.

[TheGoldStandard]

:lol and the spurs system is so damn hard, splitter still hasn't learned it in three years so it is unfair to him.

Seems like TP forgot the system tonight.

[james evans]

popovich pisses me off so much. danny green couldn't hit anything for 3 quarters straght and u keep him on the floor putting up bricks. bonner won't shoot wide open shots when he's presented with them and colo is borderline worthless. it's as if he throws games just to show people he's still in charge. i don't get this guy. why doesn't blair play? WHY are we doubling a team like the heat today in the paint when they had no inside game whatsoever leaving open 3 point shooters all game? WHY???

[ElNono]

I just watched the Pop postgame. His exact quote was "It wasn't about the bigs, it was about needing to score and I thought Matt could loosen it up (the court) a bit for us"

People seriously have a problem with that quote or are you just looking for shit to troll with because he isn't throwing anybody under the bus with that statement.

When asked if he thought it worked, he replied with "We scored 86 points"

Could you confirm the actual question was about Tiago though? I personally didn't think he was tossing anybody under the bus...

[DesignatedT]

Question : "It seemed like once you took Tiago out of the game you were looking for something different in terms of your bigs, what was it that you were searching for?"

Answer: "It wasn't about the bigs, we just couldn't score and we needed to score and I thought Matt could loosen it up (the court) a bit for us"

[ElNono]

Question : "It seemed like once you took Tiago out of the game you were looking for something different in terms of your bigs, what was it that you were searching for?"

Answer: "It wasn't about the bigs, we just couldn't score and we needed to score and I thought Matt could loosen it up (the court) a bit for us"

Thanks, tbh... I heard 'Tiago out' when the question was being asked but couldn't hear the rest.

[DPG21920]

It's quite scary that this close the playoffs the Spurs aren't physically sharp, mentally sharp or playing anywhere near a consitent brand of basketball.

[UZER]

It's quite scary that this close the playoffs the Spurs aren't physically sharp, mentally sharp or playing anywhere near a consitent brand of basketball.

It's hard to play any consistent basketball when your coach is constantly tinkering with the lineup.

[DesignatedT]

It's hard to play any consistent basketball when your coach is constantly tinkering with the lineup.

Yeah, not like injuries have played any part in this or anything lol.

[TheGoldStandard]

It's quite scary that this close the playoffs the Spurs aren't physically sharp, mentally sharp or playing anywhere near a consitent brand of basketball.

Well, the game has kind of passed Pop by some, we still play as if its 2005 or 2007, we're not built to compete against OKC or Miami consistently. We rely a lot of interior defense and 3 point shots because we're able to draw players into the paint. Leonard is the only player that is a fast forward kind of player but his confidence isn't at a level where he can excel his game yet. Spurs play way too much inconsistent D, parker is not a leader and manu is over the hill. It was easier when we were contending against the Mavs or Phoenix and then the dreadful Lakers but we're not equipped to go toe to toe for 7 games with teams that have 2 or 3 players who can get there own shot and get calls.

[DesignatedT]

The Spurs seriously need to get back to playing their type of basketball and the only way to do that is to continue to be out there. That's the bad thing because Tim is expending way to much energy right now that he will need in the playoffs. It's great to see him play like this but the Spurs are relying way to much on him for these types of games. This is a bad stretch for the Spurs so hopefully they can continue to stay/get healthy and get past that Atlanta game. They will have 3 days off after that game and then they can evaluate how they want to handle the remaining 5 games.

The Spurs should be able to use the first round to get out of this little funk as well because I don't think any potential 8 seed is strong enough to take down even an out of rhythm, fatigued Spurs team.

[UZER]

Yeah, not like injuries have played any part in this or anything lol.

I didn't realize all our back up point guards, Nando, mills, and cojo have been hurt all year. That's why pop still hasn't picked one.

[TheGoldStandard]

I didn't realize all our back up point guards, Nando, mills, and cojo have been hurt all year. That's why pop still hasn't picked one.

What are you talking about Gary Neal has been off and on all season, he's the backup PG for pop

[DesignatedT]

I didn't realize all our back up point guards, Nando, mills, and cojo have been hurt all year. That's why pop still hasn't picked one.

None have played well enough to separate themselves from the others tbqh

[UZER]

What are you talking about Gary Neal has been off and on all season, he's the backup PG for pop

:lol and he's not a point guard. That's my point.


None have played well enough to separate themselves from the others tbqh

Fair enough. But it's hard to separate yourself when you only play every other eight games.

[DesignatedT]

Fair enough. But it's hard to separate yourself when you only play every other eight games.

Seeing that Manu is once again badly hurt and questionable to return before the playoffs (who knows how long he can stay healthy once the playoffs start) I think that the fact that all 3 of those guards you listed have played good minutes and gained valuable experience throughout this season is a great thing for the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

As of right now, unfortunately, everything screams this Spurs team being in serious trouble. Health being the number one concern, but level of overall play, slippage defensively, bench gone, no true back up PG....the list goes on. Like several people have said, there aren't really many teams doing a lot better so that is good, but other teams (Denver, OKC, Clippers) have youth on their side.

Unless there is a fairly dramatic turn around these last 9 games, this Spurs team is in serious trouble (and by that I mean just making it past the 2nd round).

[Kool Bob Love]

Spurs just look bored. Trap game. There is no reason to be upset. They had to have a let down. They cant go 82-0.

[DPG21920]

This game is a highlight of the brand of basketball they have been playing lately. They have still pulled off wins, but they aren't playing well. They have gone backwards.

[Kool Bob Love]

So what do you call the win vs the clips on friday???

Some of yall need to be grey again.

[ElNono]

As of right now, unfortunately, everything screams this Spurs team being in serious trouble. Health being the number one concern, but level of overall play, slippage defensively, bench gone, no true back up PG....the list goes on. Like several people have said, there aren't really many teams doing a lot better so that is good, but other teams (Denver, OKC, Clippers) have youth on their side.

Unless there is a fairly dramatic turn around these last 9 games, this Spurs team is in serious trouble (and by that I mean just making it past the 2nd round).

I think that actually has been getting better and better and has been actually the lone bright spot during these otherwise dark times... there's no way we're 6-2 in the last 8 without playing some good D. The only two games we didn't play good D since the Portland blowout were Cavs (probably took them lightly) and T-Pups (no TP, TD or Kawhi).

[Man In Black]

Again, that 3 should have been for the tie and not the W. The refs gave MIA a gift to Cole. If the Spurs get the W, then this board is unhappy with the close game because wow and lbj didn't play. A close fought loss sucks more than a close fought win no doubt, there were mistakes made but man, I await to see if the NBA makes a press release about this call like they did about the Rubio no-call.

[MinuteByMinuteSports]

I believe that Pop is taking a page from Larry Brown. He's set in his ways, doesn't like change, and sticks with the same game plan. Tonight, he could have used the bench more (Mills, CoJo, etc.) This is the same bench that almost beat Miami in November. But I guess he's stuck with the starters that looked tired. I don't think the problem is the team, it's Pop. Poor coaching and not having the hunger that he had in 03 05 07. He's satisfied with winning games and not winning a title. I guess Tony was right when he said years ago that we would never win a title again. It's coming true what he said.

[lefty]

Didn't say I agreed with it but I understand what he was trying to do.

I know you are the #1 Bonner hater on the site so I can't win here anyway. Move along..
We all are #1 Bonner haters on the site

[DesignatedT]

I believe that Pop is taking a page from Larry Brown. He's set in his ways, doesn't like change, and sticks with the same game plan.

He has totally evolved his offense from his early days to now.

[TD 21]

Of course the effort/focus was poor, but part of that is on the coach, and it was clear that Miami outplayed the Spurs from a basketball standpoint as well, which shouldn't have occurred with their available personnel..especially against a HOF coach..

Yeah, the proverbial wind out of the sails (once they found out James, Wade and Chalmers weren't playing, of course) wasn't surprising, but Pop's lack of "fire" was. I thought he'd call an early timeout and lay into them, but it never came. Instead, he pulled a Jackson. Sat back and watched, hoping the team would "figure it out" themselves.

And he was thoroughly out coached. The Heat had an actual defensive game plan (trapping/blitzing Parker on high pick and rolls and denying him once he came off the triple/staggered screens on the baseline) and executed it to a T.

[spurs10]

He said that without Manu, Tony was the only guy that could create offense for us except for TD, and they shut him down with the aggressive screens and doubles...

He definitely is right on that assessment, the question is what are we going to do when that happens again?
This is the question that needs addressing. In the end Kawhi made them pay, but it wasn't enough. Do you think it's simply calling some different plays and switching up on the pick n' roll a little more often? Was Tony just a step too slow tonight? We will indeed be seeing a lot more pressure on Tony by anyone scouting this team and need to have some plan. Especially on the traps....someone is open!

[chazley]

Everyone needs to chill the fuck out. Bonner was +5 tonight. The issue was two-fold. The effort as a whole was absolutely horrendous, and TP decided to take the night off. Blame Pop all you want. Honestly, I think his only bad decision was playing De Colo over Cory Joseph tonight while Ray Allen was playing PG. Cory is a much better defender and could've forced a turnover or two, or at the very least disrupted Miami's ability to get into their offense early in the shot clock. Tiago played 28 minutes tonight, and he absolutely did not stand out to me. Miami was playing very small, so I don't see the need to play Bonner, but I can't really bash Pop's logic because Miami only scored 17 points in the 4th, and Bonner is going to be better for our team offensively over Splitter.

[Brunodf]

Everyone needs to chill the fuck out. Bonner was +5 tonight. The issue was two-fold. The effort as a whole was absolutely horrendous, and TP decided to take the night off. Blame Pop all you want. Honestly, I think his only bad decision was playing De Colo over Cory Joseph tonight while Ray Allen was playing PG. Cory is a much better defender and could've forced a turnover or two, or at the very least disrupted Miami's ability to get into their offense early in the shot clock. Tiago played 28 minutes tonight, and he absolutely did not stand out to me. Miami was playing very small, so I don't see the need to play Bonner, but I can't really bash Pop's logic because Miami only scored 17 points in the 4th, and Bonner is going to be better for our team offensively over Splitter.
that sentence:lmao

[MinuteByMinuteSports]

Let's face it. Pizza face (aka Pop) is the problem. He's the coach and he should coach like the did in 03, 05, and 07. With hunger and heart. The Pop of past seasons would have never put a rookie (jinx aka De Colo) to see the floor until the following season. He would have used the bench more in those years. Why bring CoJo or Baynes when they aren't even going to play? I think Pop lost his touch in coaching. He should retire and open a wine store. Give Mike B. a go. I can't stand his coaching.

[Sean Cagney]

Everyone needs to chill the fuck out. Bonner was +5 tonight. The issue was two-fold. The effort as a whole was absolutely horrendous, and TP decided to take the night off. Blame Pop all you want. Honestly, I think his only bad decision was playing De Colo over Cory Joseph tonight while Ray Allen was playing PG. Cory is a much better defender and could've forced a turnover or two, or at the very least disrupted Miami's ability to get into their offense early in the shot clock. Tiago played 28 minutes tonight, and he absolutely did not stand out to me. Miami was playing very small, so I don't see the need to play Bonner, but I can't really bash Pop's logic because Miami only scored 17 points in the 4th, and Bonner is going to be better for our team offensively over Splitter.
I agree on all but the last sentence there, sad thing is POP might actually think that there and wow..... I will leave it there. LMFAO Bonner better offensively over Splitter, we have been over this over and over again and get this same result we saw today! I don't give a fuck about this +5 crap, dead the +/- crap when trying to prove a point. You started out well man, but then ended with Bonner better than so and so WHICH IS NOT TRUE! If they rely on Bonner over Splitter on the floor in the playoffs for O we will get the same result we always see.

[Slippy]

Spurs guards, mainly Tony leading the way did't know how to respond to a double team trap out on the perimeter or high pressure defense when dribbling. Slowed down their offense in a big way. The sad part the guy usually best at handling that sort of situation was Manu.

IN turn when the spurs tried their own double team usually down low. It was a disaster. Always too late and rotations just as slow after.

The scary part , they had a whole bunch oldies playing top notch d. While Spurs were getting beat easy on drives and on close-outs were too slow to react. Lead to a lot of great looks for Miami from the perimeter.

Pop seemd calm when this was happening early. I prefer it when he gets in people's faces on defensive lapses - as soon as the game starts.

The team as whole needs to wake up. That's Pop's job.

[Obstructed_View]

Bonner was +5 tonight.
Damn, make him a starter again so the Spurs can start jumping out to leads.

[chazley]

Damn, make him a starter again so the Spurs can start jumping out to leads.

No, Bonner has been bad this year and should only see the court when injuries occur or others are ineffective. To use him as the scapegoat tonight though isn't really fair is the only point I'm trying to make.

There was a phantom foul on Norris Cole and Chris Bosh hit a three pointer to win the game. Both had to happen and the likelyhood that both would occur in the same game is very low. It happened, let's move on and not pretend the sky is falling.

[Obstructed_View]

No, Bonner has been bad this year and should only see the court when injuries occur or others are ineffective. To use him as the scapegoat tonight though isn't really fair is the only point I'm trying to make.

There was a phantom foul on Norris Cole and Chris Bosh hit a three pointer to win the game. Both had to happen and the likelyhood that both would occur in the same game is very low. It happened, let's move on and not pretend the sky is falling.
So if the Spurs had managed to win the game, then Bonner would be getting credit for it. Great posts, as usual, Chaz. Just keep it up. :lol

[chazley]

^ Not at all. Bonner instead would be a footnote with a neutral impact. Instead, people need someone to blame, so they blame Pop for playing Bonner. We were down 7 to start the fourth, then led by 3 in the closing minute. Again, blame what/who you want, but the fact is it took a ridiculous foul call and a Chris Bosh 3-pointer for the Heat to win the game. I like our chances in 1000 game simulations where we're up 3 at home against this Heat squad.

[spurspokesman]

Shameful.

this

[jjktkk]

Hey Bonner knows the system and deserves those minutes.

Lol being the best 3 pt shooter on this team but unwilling to take a 3 pt shot.

Edit: And Bonner doesn't spread shit when other teams know they just have to look at him and he passes the ball.


Yea I'm a big advocate for Bonner getting minutes. :lol


You realize you talking about "relying" on the 4th and 5th big right? Lol, the Spurs would be in big trouble, if they have to rely on Blair and Bonner.

Nice job understanding that English language Uzer. :lol

[spurspokesman]

schtikkk is that you?!
Did you accidently log into the wrong troll account?
LMAO

[coachmac87]

To me it seemed the Heat were more prepared. Actually had a plan on how to attack the spurs and defend,..because without wade and James a plan was needed. Same could be said for the Spurs when they played in Miami..spurs just weren't prepared. Sure you can blame pop for that..but spurs not being healthy didn't really help the situation. Difference in playoffs game plans and making changes plays a huge role....you either believe in this team or not..y'all need to make up ur minds!! Believe

[urunobili]

Outtrolled (by leaving James, Wade and Chalmers out) and then outcoached too :tu

[spurspokesman]

There are no two ways to slice this. Champion caliber teams win games they are supposed to win and the spurs didn't,same ol song here. Spurs had a chance to close the gap on miami for overall top record and hca if they both made it to the finals and further separate themself from okc in the WC and was gifted a weak mia team. And still lost, all spurs fan have a right to be pissed. Just downright pathetic

[TheGoldStandard]

Tonight will be a tell tail sign, if they come in and just push the Grizz and win by 10 or 15 then they got the message last night and responded. My fear is that Pop is going to roll with Bonner again and they'll play just as flat, they have no business playing as if they're tired it's not like anyone exerted any kind of energy last night outside of Tim and Kawhi.

[coachmac87]

Tony won't play tonight...book it

[TheGoldStandard]

Tony won't play tonight...book it

If that's the case then expect Corey Joseph to start, Wha? Yeah, where has he been?

[Brunodf]

Watch Bonner play vs Zbo tonight

[coachmac87]

Lol I agree 100%. Pop has just ruined our back up pg situation

[TheGoldStandard]

Watch Bonner play vs Zbo tonight

And Pop clap at his hustle as he's beaten and school in the post. Or watch Bonner be out of position but with his arms up, at least he's in the right defensive position. Someone needs to tell Tiago that Brazil sucks and try to light a fire under his ass, I've never seen him play angry.

[Blake]

I don't think anyone out coached anyone else.

Bottom line was the Heat made their 3 point shots and free throws; Spurs didn't.

Bosh is shooting less than 30% from 3 this year. I'd let him take that shot every time.

[TheGoldStandard]

I don't give up a 3 when only up by 1. I either play aggressive and give up a two, send them to the line in hopes they'll miss one or they miss all together. Sure, Bosh is crap from 3 this season but that's because he doesn't need to take those shots, he has range and especially when nobody is on him its like the hoop is 10 feet big.

[Blake]

I don't give up a 3 when only up by 1. I either play aggressive and give up a two, send them to the line in hopes they'll miss one or they miss all together. Sure, Bosh is crap from 3 this season but that's because he doesn't need to take those shots, he has range and especially when nobody is on him its like the hoop is 10 feet big.

So giving up a two to lose by one is better than giving up the three to lose by two.

Neat perspective you have.

[TheGoldStandard]

So giving up a two to lose by one is better than giving up the three to lose by two.

Neat perspective you have.

That entire roster last night were comprised of distant shooters sans Bosh and whoever they had clogging up the paint so I'd risk someone taking a challenged jumper than a wide open 3 from Bosh who was big time clutch in Toronto and defers half the time because of who he plays with.

[Blake]

lol so he's crap from three this year but he's clutch from three.

Whatever.

[TheGoldStandard]

lol so he's crap from three this year but he's clutch from three.

Whatever.

He's not a 3 point shooter because his game doesn't revolve around that but he's a great jump shooter especially if he gets a wide open look. He came up huge in the playoffs last year after he returned from that abdominal tear and hit clutch 3's against Boston so why not now when he's wide open? I guess it's a pick your poison kind of thing Ray Allen rolling with a contested shot or a wide open Chris Bosh shot.

[Solid D]

Not one of Pop's better games. Danny Green's BB IQ actually dropped. Great Heat defense by a heavy collection of talented vets playing tough, smart, trapping D. Spurs' guard trio of Parker, Green and Neal were held to .278 from the field. Pretty much it.

[Brunodf]

Watch Bonner play vs Zbo tonight
Ding ding ding. Bonner earned his rotation spot vs Heat:lol

[TheGoldStandard]

Ding ding ding. Bonner earned his rotation spot vs Heat:lol

Over/ Under 2 times Bonner eats a sack tonight while getting dunked on

[Man In Black]

http://nba.si.com/2013/03/31/miami-heat-san-antonio-spurs/?xid=nl_siextra

[hommeaetage]

Not one of Pop's better games. Danny Green's BB IQ actually dropped. Great Heat defense by a heavy collection of talented vets playing tough, smart, trapping D. Spurs' guard trio of Parker, Green and Neal were held to .278 from the field. Pretty much it.

This is my issue right here. If Tony is supposedly our go to guy in crunch time, why does this seem to happen every time? Last night once they started trapping Tony with a bigger defender, I knew he would be out of his game. The same issue keeps coming over and over again for some years now. It's nothing new, but we have yet to make an adjustment.

[Brunodf]

Over/ Under 2 times Bonner eats a sack tonight while getting dunked on
Over

[therealtruth]

I don't think anyone out coached anyone else.

Bottom line was the Heat made their 3 point shots and free throws; Spurs didn't.

Bosh is shooting less than 30% from 3 this year. I'd let him take that shot every time.

This is the NBA you don't let players get open shots. You remember Randolph's 3 in '11 or Timmy's in '08. I don't care what care what someone is shooting from 3 but it's not worth giving them a wide open shot. Now if you meant if you have a choice between Ray Allen and Bosh of course you would stick to Allen harder.

[Blake]

This is the NBA you don't let players get open shots. You remember Randolph's 3 in '11 or Timmy's in '08. I don't care what care what someone is shooting from 3 but it's not worth giving them a wide open shot. Now if you meant if you have a choice between Ray Allen and Bosh of course you would stick to Allen harder.

You absolutely let certain players take open shots.

Unless you disagree with the hack a shaq strategy. I don't.

[letmk]

I don't want to use the word "outcoached" so easily, but one thing that I don't understand about the defense is the unnecessary and half-hearted double-team. If it's LeBron or Durant, I can understand. But oftentimes, it's just a normal player, what's the point to double-team him and leave a wide-open 3-pointer?

More importantly, many of those double-teaming are half-hearted and it gives little pressure to opposing players. Instead, when the Heat and other teams do that to Tony, they do it hard and put a lot of pressure on Tony.

[therealtruth]

I don't want to use the word "outcoached" so easily, but one thing that I don't understand about the defense is the unnecessary and half-hearted double-team. If it's LeBron or Durant, I can understand. But oftentimes, it's just a normal player, what's the point to double-team him and leave a wide-open 3-pointer?

More importantly, many of those double-teaming are half-hearted and it gives little pressure to opposing players. Instead, when the Heat and other teams do that to Tony, they do it hard and put a lot of pressure on Tony.

[Fabbs]

You absolutely let certain players take open shots.
With the game on the line?
:lol Classic.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Good shooting hides some shortcomings, and the last two games the Spurs haven't shot the ball well. Green hits a couple of those missed threes and the last two games feel a lot different. The Spurs have had a few low-effort wins this season, now they're experiencing a couple of low-effort losses.

[Blake]

With the game on the line?
:lol Classic.

A guy ranked #198 in field goal attempts shooting 28%?

I'd double Allen and take the 72% chance that he misses every time