Why do Republicans talk about beastiality so much?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

"Kind of like marriage when you say it’s not a man and a woman anymore, then why not have three men and one woman, or four women and one man, or why not somebody has a love for an animal?" Louie Gohmert, TX - (R)

"In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be." Rick Santorum, PA - (R)

"It's a well-established, fundamental pillar of society and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality -- it doesn't matter what they are, they don't get to change the definition." Ben Carson, Wild Cobra's surgeon - (R)

"What's going to happen next? Men and sheep? Women and dogs?" Bob Giuda, NH (R)

[Jacob1983]

If a straight person is a bigot for opposing gay marriage, what is a gay person that opposes polygamy or bigamy? I've understood that about the gay movement. They preach tolerance, equality, and compassion but it really only applies to their cause. Personally, I lose all respect for gay people on the issue of gay marriage if they come out with the attitude of "polygamy should be illegal". That just is judging someone's behavior and way life. That is no different than bigoted religious extremists opposing gay marriage. Bigotry is bigotry. Prejudice is prejudice.

[Wild Cobra]

Ever watch the episode of Boston Legal where the gay activist tries to stop two strait men from getting married?

[Jacob1983]

Bigots

[boutons_deux]

because Repugs base is ignorant, white, rural bubbas. Bestiality is close to bubbas' hearts (and crotches), something they know well.

[BobaFett1]

because Repugs base is ignorant, white, rural bubbas. Bestiality is close to bubbas' hearts (and crotches), something they know well.

According to butts Libs have done no wrong.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If a straight person is a bigot for opposing gay marriage, what is a gay person that opposes polygamy or bigamy? I've understood that about the gay movement. They preach tolerance, equality, and compassion but it really only applies to their cause. Personally, I lose all respect for gay people on the issue of gay marriage if they come out with the attitude of "polygamy should be illegal". That just is judging someone's behavior and way life. That is no different than bigoted religious extremists opposing gay marriage. Bigotry is bigotry. Prejudice is prejudice.

Here's another example of you not caring at all about gay marriage :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

lol angry little boutons.

[TeyshaBlue]

Why Does DOK post strawmen?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Why Does DOK post strawmen?

What about the OP is a strawman?

[coyotes_geek]

Just for the record, if your dog can convince me that it has the mental capacity to understand the concept of marriage and all the ramifications of entering into a contract situation, I'll support your right to marry it. I am going to need a little more proof than you just telling me that one bark means "I do" though. We're talking about the sacred institution of marriage for crying out loud. It's not something to be made a mockery of.

[TeyshaBlue]

Undefined term = conflated quantity.


Why do Republicans talk about beastiality so much?

Any clue what the metric is for "so much"?

Nope. But that wasn't the point of the OP was it?

[TeyshaBlue]

I guess I can post 4 quotes from Republicans who support Gay marriage and posit the same OP? Why do Republicans support gay marriage so much?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Undefined term = conflated quantity.


Why do Republicans talk about beastiality so much?

Any clue what the metric is for "so much"?

Nope. But that wasn't the point of the OP was it?
How is anything you just described a strawman? Or are you moving the goalposts..


The point of the OP was to discuss why GOP members frequently bring up beastiality in discussions that have nothing to do with beastiality.

I was hoping to get answers as to why they're so enamored with the topic of someone fucking a horse.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol @ frequently. You still don't get it.

Stop trying to defend your asinine OP and just admit you wanted to bust on Republicans. At least that's honest.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I guess I can post 4 quotes from Republicans who support Gay marriage and posit the same OP? Why do Republicans support gay marriage so much?

Do you want me to find more quotes from Republicans on beastiality? I was lazy and used four that everyone would know about.

Do you want a link to right wing Jeebotard groups recently speaking out against commercials because they "promote beastiality"?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol @ frequently. You still don't get it.

Stop trying to defend your asinine OP and just admit you wanted to bust on Republicans. At least that's honest.
lol @ still not explaining the "strawman" I used

Your defense of the GOP's obsession with beastiality is a much bigger issue than my OP. Do you have the same urges Rick Santorum has every time you see your dog?

[TeyshaBlue]

Do you want me to find more quotes from Republicans supporting gay marriage? I was lazy and used four that everyone would know about.

lol. See how this works?

[TeyshaBlue]

lol @ still not explaining the "strawman" I used

Your defense of the GOP's obsession with beastiality is a much bigger issue than my OP. Do you have the same urges Rick Santorum has every time you see your dog?

lol @ defense. Stop going boutons on this. I'm not defending beastiality. Just mocking your asinine deductive chain.

[TeyshaBlue]

And here, let me breakdown the idiocy of your OP, such as it is.

Oh wait. I already did.



Undefined term = conflated quantity.


Why do Republicans talk about beastiality so much?

Any clue what the metric is for "so much"?

Nope. But that wasn't the point of the OP was it?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Do you want me to find more quotes from Republicans supporting gay marriage? I was lazy and used four that everyone would know about.

lol. See how this works?
Republicans supporting gay marriage is a good thing. The more the better. It isn't an issue that needs to be addressed like their habit of obsessing over laws regarding beastiality, as if the one thing that keeps Ben Carson from fucking the shit out of a goat is that it's illegal.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol @ needs.

[TeyshaBlue]

It's super-important.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

And here, let me breakdown the idiocy of your OP, such as it is.

Oh wait. I already did.



Undefined term = conflated quantity.


Why do Republicans talk about beastiality so much?

Any clue what the metric is for "so much"?

Nope. But that wasn't the point of the OP was it?

Still waiting on where I used a strawman. I probably shouldn't be expecting an explanation for that, should I?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/02/geico-pig-on-a-date-anger-one-million-moms/


Kids are drawn to animals. That’s normal. Animals are cute. That’s why movies have animals that play the lead roles and the main parts,” said Cole. “And it may be over their heads in terms of understanding the meaning behind it, but there’s a big concern when kids are being desensitized to this kind of thing.

:lmao:lmao:lmao some commercial with a talking pig promoting beastiality

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm sorry. I thought you were familiar with logic.

When you use an undefined term as some kind of qualifying metric "so much", (qualifying in the intent to establish that there are some kind of limits on the quantity of speech, which is in and of itself ludicrous) and then use this newly minted but unqualified metric to impose a value, you've built a gigantic strawman argument.

The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:

Person 1 has position X.
Person 2 disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. The position Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:
Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.
Quoting an opponent's words out of context—i.e., choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).[4]
Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments—thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[3]
Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.
Person 2 attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.

This reasoning is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position does not address the actual position. The ostensible argument that Person 2 makes has the form:

"Don't support X, because X has an unacceptable (or absurd or contradictory or terrible) consequence."

However, the actual form of the argument is:

"Don't support X, because Y has an unacceptable (or absurd or contradictory or terrible) consequence."

This argument doesn't make sense; it is a non sequitur. Person 2 relies on the audience not noticing this.

[TeyshaBlue]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/02/geico-pig-on-a-date-anger-one-million-moms/



:lmao:lmao:lmao some commercial with a talking pig promoting beastiality

Yeah, that clearly implcates all Republicans. :facepalm

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm sorry. I thought you were familiar with logic.

When you use an undefined term as some kind of qualifying metric "so much", (qualifying in the intent to establish that there are some kind of limits on the quantity of speech, which is in and of itself ludicrous) and then use this newly minted but unqualified metric to impose a value, you've built a gigantic strawman argument.

The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:

Person 1 has position X.
Person 2 disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. The position Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:
Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.
Quoting an opponent's words out of context—i.e., choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).[4]
Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments—thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[3]
Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.
Person 2 attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.

This reasoning is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position does not address the actual position. The ostensible argument that Person 2 makes has the form:

"Don't support X, because X has an unacceptable (or absurd or contradictory or terrible) consequence."

However, the actual form of the argument is:

"Don't support X, because Y has an unacceptable (or absurd or contradictory or terrible) consequence."

This argument doesn't make sense; it is a non sequitur. Person 2 relies on the audience not noticing this.

I wasn't presenting any "position" the 4 quoted GOP members in the OP have. All the OP does is accuse them of talking about beastiality, it doesn't go into their position or usage of beastiality in context, which is why it's not a strawman.

[TeyshaBlue]

Why do some Republicans talk about beastiality so much.

See? Was that too hard to grok?

[TeyshaBlue]

I wasn't presenting any "position" the 4 quoted GOP members in the OP have. All the OP does is accuse them of talking about beastiality, it doesn't go into their position or usage of beastiality in context, which is why it's not a strawman.


Why do Republicans talk about beastiality so much?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah, that clearly implcates all Republicans. :facepalm
It implicates a million of them :lol (unless one million moms is another conservative group that uses a misleading label to distort its popularity)

[TeyshaBlue]

You were clearly presenting a position.

[TeyshaBlue]

It implicates a million of them :lol (unless one million moms is another conservative group that uses a misleading label to distort its popularity)

So you really don't have a clue about what they represent. Ok. But let's conflate to all R's anyway. It beats thinking.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Why do Republicans talk about beastiality so much?

Still don't see how it's a strawman. I wasn't misconstruing any argument or position Republicans have. It's not like I said they were for the legalization of beastiality (however they seem really enamored with the idea).

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So you really don't have a clue about what they represent. Ok. But let's conflate to all R's anyway. It beats thinking.
They represent wholesome, evangelical Christian values that America was built on!

[TeyshaBlue]

Still don't see how it's a strawman. I wasn't misconstruing any argument or position Republicans have. It's not like I said they were for the legalization of beastiality (however they seem really enamored with the idea).

Why do Republicans (how many? Must be all.) talk about beastiality so much (how much? Oh so much. That must be alot)?

Honestly. If you can't see the vapidity of the OP you've gone full boutons.

[Spurminator]

Why do some Republicans talk about bestiality at all?

[Spurminator]

If not for the ludicrous connection to the homosexuality debate, I'm not sure I would have ever even known that bestiality was a thing.

[TeyshaBlue]

Why do some Republicans talk about bestiality at all?

What? You've never owned a sexy dog?:lol

[LnGrrrR]

Teysha, I think one could argue that even FIVE politicians equating homosexuality with bestiality is "many". It need not be a majority, or even a high minority. For instance, if I worked with 100 people, and you told me that 10 of them were child rapists, I'd probably say "I didn't realize so MANY people in my office were child rapists."

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Teysha I have compiled more quotes for you to help you understand where I arrived at "so much", because I'm a liberal and that's what we do, we help people.



"I guess that means if you're intimate with your horse, you can marry your horse." -JD Hayworth, AZ (R)

"At age ten the madam put the child in a cage with a bear trained to couple with young girls so the girls would be frigid and not fall in love with their patrons. They fed her through the bars and aroused the bear with a stick when it seemed to lose interest." -From Scooter Libby's book where they use a bear to train a girl to be a whore (:lmao what the fuck)

http://www.politicolnews.com/tea-party-into-porn-and-racism/
Piece about Carl Paladino, NY (R) emailing people horse pornography

"Absolutely. I was a fool. When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule." -Neal Horsley, GA (R)

"State laws against bigamy, same-sex marriage, adult incest, prostitution, masturbation, adultery, fornication, bestiality, and obscenity are likewise sustainable only in light of Bowers’ validation of laws based on moral choices. Every single one of these laws is called into question by today’s decision; the Court makes no effort to cabin the scope of its decision to exclude them from its holding." -Antonin Scalia (R) in his dissent of the Lawrence v. Texas ruling

"[Homosexuals] do not naturally reproduce. It has not been proven that it is nature. It happens in nature, but so does beastiality That does not make it right or something we should be teaching in school." -Stacey Campfield, TN (R)

"There is no need to talk about Billy wanting to marry a goat," -Dwight Scharnhorst, MO (R)

“no more a right to engage in sodomy than pedophiles have to engage in their sexual practices; than those who would like to engage in incest have a right to engage in their kind of practices; or people who want to have sex with animals. They don’t have a right to do that under the Constitution.” -Bryan Fischer, Conservative Talk Show Host

[boutons_deux]

Why do Republicans (how many? Must be all.) talk about beastiality so much (how much? Oh so much. That must be alot)?

Honestly. If you can't see the vapidity of the OP you've gone full boutons.

bigoted Repugs, tea baggers, hating "Christians" mention bestiality A LOT, for years, in scare-mongering about same-sex marriage and any old LGBT issue, along with same-sex marriage destroying heterosexual-marriage, destroying America, etc.

[TeyshaBlue]

Teysha, I think one could argue that even FIVE politicians equating homosexuality with bestiality is "many". It need not be a majority, or even a high minority. For instance, if I worked with 100 people, and you told me that 10 of them were child rapists, I'd probably say "I didn't realize so MANY people in my office were child rapists."

That's a fair view, but it doesn't negate the inferred point of the OP. Busting on R's under the guise of a bestiality debate. Newsflash. Probably "many" Dems make statements like this too. But that's not OP worthy.

[TeyshaBlue]

bigoted Repugs, tea baggers, hating "Christians" mention bestiality A LOT, for years, in scare-mongering about same-sex marriage and any old LGBT issue, along with same-sex marriage destroying heterosexual-marriage, destroying America, etc.

You've mentioned it more in this post than I have in 10 years. Congrats, retard.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If not for the ludicrous connection to the homosexuality debate, I'm not sure I would have ever even known that bestiality was a thing.

The only reason I know what it is was the scene in Clerks 2 where they accidentally hire some guy and horse rather than a real stripper for a bachelor party :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

http://cache.jezebel.com/assets/images/39/2009/11/custom_1257177399455_2.jpg

I'm obsessed with sexy beagles.

[LnGrrrR]

That's a fair view, but it doesn't negate the inferred point of the OP. Busting on R's under the guise of a bestiality debate. Newsflash. Probably "many" Dems make statements like this too. But that's not OP worthy.

Personally speaking, I don't know of many Dems who have said things of this nature. Additionally, DoK has done the small amount of proof to show that some Republican politicians have; you could counter that with showing Dem politicians who have said the same. :)

[LnGrrrR]

The only reason I know what it is was the scene in Clerks 2 where they accidentally hire some guy and horse rather than a real stripper for a bachelor party :lol

:lol There's also that story about Queen... Catherine? I forget the name.

[boutons_deux]

You've mentioned it more in this post than I have in 10 years. Congrats, retard.

you, rigth winger, wouldn't want to bring attention to the undeniable fact that right-wingers obsession with bestiality as the inevitable next step after same-sex marriage. right-wingers also scare-monger that every homo is pedophile.

[clambake]

the actual number is huge! don't forget about those that supported these people with their vote!

[clambake]

http://cache.jezebel.com/assets/images/39/2009/11/custom_1257177399455_2.jpg

I'm obsessed with sexy beagles.

so....thats what happened to my beagle.

[Clipper Nation]

If a straight person is a bigot for opposing gay marriage, what is a gay person that opposes polygamy or bigamy? I've understood that about the gay movement. They preach tolerance, equality, and compassion but it really only applies to their cause. Personally, I lose all respect for gay people on the issue of gay marriage if they come out with the attitude of "polygamy should be illegal". That just is judging someone's behavior and way life. That is no different than bigoted religious extremists opposing gay marriage. Bigotry is bigotry. Prejudice is prejudice.
:madrun "It's an anti-Mormon CONSPIRACY by those gays I don't care about!" :madrun

[Blake]

Ministers like Hagee and Dobson push the slippery slopes of gay marriage down the throats of Republicans...er..politicians.

[Clipper Nation]

Why do some Republicans talk about bestiality at all?
Exactly.... there is literally no reason why anyone should be talking about having sex with animals (or rape, for that matter) on the campaign trail, yet dumbass neoconservative Jeebotards go out of their way to do it :lol

[Blake]

Personally, I lose all respect for gay people on the issue of gay marriage if they come out with the attitude of "polygamy should be illegal". That just is judging someone's behavior and way life. That is no different than bigoted religious extremists opposing gay marriage. Bigotry is bigotry. Prejudice is prejudice.

strawman is strawy

[TeyshaBlue]

you, rigth winger, wouldn't want to bring attention to the undeniable fact that right-wingers obsession with bestiality as the inevitable next step after same-sex marriage. right-wingers also scare-monger that every homo is pedophile.

lol simpleton.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Exactly.... there is literally no reason why anyone should be talking about having sex with animals (or rape, for that matter) on the campaign trail, yet dumbass neoconservative Jeebotards go out of their way to do it :lol

They talk about beastiality like it's this extremely seducing phenomenon and the mere site of an animal and human interracting gets them hot and bothered :lol

"Dear lord, I just saw the GEICO commercial where the girl and the pig are jokingly out on a date. Please Jesus, guide me in resisting the urge to walk over and fuck the shit out of my cat right now."

[CosmicCowboy]

The polygamy argument is valid. The beastiality argument not so much. Still the OP's obsession with people who talk about beastiality shows he apparently has a lot in common with them.

[TeyshaBlue]

Personally speaking, I don't know of many Dems who have said things of this nature. Additionally, DoK has done the small amount of proof to show that some Republican politicians have; you could counter that with showing Dem politicians who have said the same. :)

I guess I could if I wanted to bash Dems. That's not exactly a pastime of mine.

[CosmicCowboy]

I guess I could if I wanted to bash Dems. That's not exactly a pastime of mine.

Overly broad generalizations are a specialty of Boutons and DOK.

[TeyshaBlue]

I guess I could if I wanted to bash Dems. That's not exactly a pastime of mine. Additionally, DOK didn't bother to make the distinction of "some". Very boutonesque.




Fuck. This was supposed to be an edit.


Fucking magnets! How do they work?:ihit

[Blake]

The polygamy argument is valid. The beastiality argument not so much. Still the OP's obsession with people who talk about beastiality shows he apparently has a lot in common with them.

Explain why polygamy is bad?

[coyotes_geek]

Personally speaking, I don't know of many Dems who have said things of this nature. Additionally, DoK has done the small amount of proof to show that some Republican politicians have; you could counter that with showing Dem politicians who have said the same. :)

I can't think of any democrats who have gone to the bestiality card either, but then that might just be the fact that there really isn't an issue that a ridiculous interpretation on the democratic position would lead you to play that card. An idiot politician spouting off about the alleged evils of gay marriage stands a much better stepping on the bestiality landmine than an idiot politician spouting off about the alleged evils of gun ownership.

[CosmicCowboy]

Explain why polygamy is bad?

I didn't say it was bad. It is, however, illegal.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The polygamy argument is valid. The beastiality argument not so much. Still the OP's obsession with people who talk about beastiality shows he apparently has a lot in common with them.

If 3+ consenting adults wanna get married, have at it. I think there are plenty of reasons why it's an invalid argument, but I don't worry about stuff that has no effect on my life.

[TeyshaBlue]

If 3+ consenting adults wanna get married, have at it. I think there are plenty of reasons why it's an invalid argument, but I don't worry about stuff that has no effect on my life.

You think gun violence is high now.......

[CosmicCowboy]

If 3+ consenting adults wanna get married, have at it. I think there are plenty of reasons why it's an invalid argument, but I don't worry about stuff that has no effect on my life.

So some republicans mentioning beastiality effects your life?

[CosmicCowboy]

You think gun violence is high now.......

No shit. I can't keep ONE wife happy all the time. I can't imagine having 2 or 3.

[TeyshaBlue]

So some republicans mentioning beastiality effects your life?

ruh-roh. rogic bomb

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So some republicans mentioning beastiality effects your life?

worrying =/= making fun of

Nice try though. I actually enjoy them talking about beastiality because it makes them less electable.

[TeyshaBlue]

worrying =/= making fun of

Not readily apparent, tbh.


Nice try though. I actually enjoy them talking about beastiality because it makes them less electable.

Agreed.

[Blake]

I didn't say it was bad. It is, however, illegal.

You said it was a valid argument. I don't see why.

But I'm sure if I asked, you'd get butthurt, cry that I'm biting your ankle and then tell us all how you are leaving for the ranch.

[CosmicCowboy]

You said it was a valid argument. I don't see why.

But I'm sure if I asked, you'd get butthurt, cry that I'm biting your ankle and then tell us all how you are leaving for the ranch.


Of course it is a valid argument. They are all consenting adults that wish to enter into marriage. Even an ankle biting idiot like you should be able to see that.

If one supports gay marriage they should also support polygamy on the same grounds.

[Clipper Nation]

They talk about beastiality like it's this extremely seducing phenomenon and the mere site of an animal and human interracting gets them hot and bothered :lol

"Dear lord, I just saw the GEICO commercial where the girl and the pig are jokingly out on a date. Please Jesus, guide me in resisting the urge to walk over and fuck the shit out of my cat right now."
:madrun "Maybe if my cat didn't act so slutty and found Jesus, this wouldn't have happened... it's a libtard atheist feminazi conspiracy!" :madrun

:madrun "Fox News didn't tell me not to fuck my cat!" :madrun

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:madrun "Maybe if my cat didn't act so slutty and found Jesus, this wouldn't have happened... it's a libtard atheist feminazi conspiracy!" :madrun

:madrun "Fox News didn't tell me not to fuck my cat!" :madrun
Some of those cats, they just rape so easy!

[TeyshaBlue]

Meow means "yes".

[Blake]

Of course it is a valid argument. They are all consenting adults that wish to enter into marriage. Even an ankle biting idiot like you should be able to see that.

If one supports gay marriage they should also support polygamy on the same grounds.

You didn't clarify when you said "the polygamy argument is valid".

I don't bite ankles. But I'm sure your teeth are getting worn out thanks to boutons.

[CosmicCowboy]

You didn't clarify when you said "the polygamy argument is valid".

I don't bite ankles. But I'm sure your teeth are getting worn out thanks to boutons.

:lmao @ anklebiter looking up to boutox.

What a pissant.

[baseline bum]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/02/geico-pig-on-a-date-anger-one-million-moms/



:lmao:lmao:lmao some commercial with a talking pig promoting beastiality

:rolling

OMG, how was this article never posted before? LOL jeebotard cun!t moms.

[Blake]

:lmao @ anklebiter looking up to boutox.

What a pissant.

lol boutox

What an ankle biter.

[ChumpDumper]

Of course it is a valid argument. They are all consenting adults that wish to enter into marriage. Even an ankle biting idiot like you should be able to see that.

If one supports gay marriage they should also support polygamy on the same grounds.So if one opposes gay marriage he should oppose straight marriage on the same grounds.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:rolling

OMG, how was this article never posted before? LOL jeebotard cun!t moms.
They raised the same objection to some skittles commercial with a Walrus in it :lmao

If you see these commercials and beastiality is what comes to mind, you have much bigger issues than the commercial :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

So if one opposes gay marriage he should oppose straight marriage on the same grounds.

:lmao classic chump strawman.

Apparently most people that oppose same sex marriage oppose it because they are....uhhhhh....the same sex.

[Drachen]

You think gun violence is high now.......

:lol


bu...bu...but sister wives get along!

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao classic chump strawman.

Apparently most people that oppose same sex marriage oppose it because they are....uhhhhh....the same sex.So why do they oppose polygamy?

[Drachen]

I think it would be funny if polygamy were legal because I would bet that the people most likely to try it are those least likely able to make it work.

[CosmicCowboy]

So why do they oppose polygamy?

Fuck if I know. I presume because it is not the classic man/woman marriage.

[ChumpDumper]

Fuck if I know. I presume because it is not the classic man/woman marriage.So it isn't necessarily the same reason they oppose same sex marriage.

One can certainly believe marriage should only be between two people, no matter the gender.

[CosmicCowboy]

So it isn't necessarily the same reason they oppose same sex marriage.

One can certainly believe marriage should only be between two people, no matter the gender.

Way to move the goalpost and narrow the subset.

[Wild Cobra]

It was never a custom of any nationality or religion I know of, to have same sex marriage. Multiple wives however, was established in many nations of the past, and still in the present, practiced by some. If anything, this should have been legalized long before same sex marriage.

[CosmicCowboy]

A doctor had sex with one of his female patients and felt guilty all day long. No matter how much he tried to forget about it, he just couldn't. The guilt and sense of betrayal of his patient were overwhelming.

But every once in a while he'd hear an internal, reassuring voice in his head that said: "Don't worry about it. You aren't the first medical practitioner to have sex with one of his patients and you won't be the last. And you're single. Just let it go."

But, invariably, another voice in his head would bring him back to reality, whispering...

"You're a veterinarian, you sick bastard."

[thunderup]

worrying =/= making fun of

Nice try though. I actually enjoy them talking about beastiality because it makes them less electable.

:lol You make a thread about it yet it doesn't worry you.

:lol Not only is your basketball talk at a chump's level, you're also full blown retarded with everything else.

[ChumpDumper]

Way to move the goalpost and narrow the subset.Nah, all I did was show that it was stupid of you to say people who support gay marriage must support polygamy.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It was never a custom of any nationality or religion I know of, to have same sex marriage. Multiple wives however, was established in many nations of the past, and still in the present, practiced by some. If anything, this should have been legalized long before same sex marriage.

It was also customary of many past nations and religions to stone people to death and have legalized indentured servitude.

We should totally model ourselves after ancient civilizations like the Babylon.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol You make a thread about it yet it doesn't worry you.

:lol Not only is your basketball talk at a chump's level, you're also full blown retarded with everything else.

:lmao redneck Oklahoman calling me full blown retarded for not approving of beastiality

[CosmicCowboy]

Nah, all I did was show that it was stupid of you to say people who support gay marriage must support polygamy.

Not stupid at all. The main reason commonly given for same sex marriages is that they are consenting adults and love each other and deserve the same rights as conventional couples.

The exact same thing can be said of polygamous unions.

The point being that anyone using that rationalization for same sex marriages is being hypocritical to deny that same right to polygamous unions.

Typical chump logic failure.

[ChumpDumper]

Not stupid at all. The main reason commonly given for same sex marriages is that they are consenting adults and love each other and deserve the same rights as conventional couples.Yep.

End of story.

The rest was your failure.

Good on you for pointing it out.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yep.

End of story.

The rest was your failure.

Good on you for pointing it out.

Not end of story dickwad.

The opponents against same sex marriage almost universally do it on religious grounds and reference gods intention for heterosexual union. Thus the religious fixation on couple.

I think that it is safe to assume that supporters of same sex marriage aren't bound to the traditional religious model of heterosexual couples.

Again, it comes down to justification of position. The exact same arguments can be made for polygamy as can be made for same sex unions. Quit ignoring the hypocrisy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol religious grounds.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol religious grounds.

Not sure why you are laughing.

[ChumpDumper]

Not end of story dickwad.

The opponents against same sex marriage almost universally do it on religious grounds and reference gods intention for heterosexual union. Thus the religious fixation on couple.

I think that it is safe to assume that supporters of same sex marriage aren't bound to the traditional model of heterosexual couples.They could certainly be bound to the traditional model of married couples.


Again, it comes down to justification of position. The exact same arguments can be made for polygamy as can be made for same sex unions. Quit ignoring the hypocrisy.It's entirely possible supporters of same sex marriage for couples don't even think about polygamy and or don't care. It's not hypocrisy to act in one's self interest alone and rather stupid to assume everyone is considering every type of marriage here.

[thunderup]

:lmao redneck Oklahoman calling me full blown retarded for not approving of beastiality

I'm calling you retarded for generalizing, you moronic bigot.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm calling you retarded for generalizing, you moronic bigot.

:cry You big mean bigot :cry
:cry stop making generalizations about people who wanna have sex with their dog :cry

[thunderup]

:cry You big mean bigot :cry
:cry stop making generalizations about people who wanna have sex with their dog :cry

You're generalizing that all Republicans support bestiality which is completely asinine.

:cry I love being liberal :cry
:cry I get to talk shit to conservatives and troll them with shitty strawmen takes :cry

[CosmicCowboy]

They could certainly be bound to the traditional model of married couples.

Again, moving the goalpost and narrowing the subset to those that believe in both couples only and same sex marriage

It's entirely possible supporters of same sex marriage for couples don't even think about polygamy and or don't care. It's not hypocrisy to act in one's self interest alone and rather stupid to assume everyone is considering every type of marriage here.

Yes, it is entirely believable that supporters of same sex marriage are just acting in their own self interest and it is not stupid at all to make the argument that polygamists can make the exact same argument in their own self interest as those that support same sex marriage

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You're generalizing that all Republicans support bestiality which is completely asinine.

:cry I love being liberal :cry
:cry I get to talk shit to conservatives and troll them with shitty strawmen takes :cry

I said Republicans like talking about beastiality and provided 12 examples of GOP officials doing so. Don't shoot the messenger who's merely quoting what your political leaders are saying :lol

:cry I love being a conservative :cry
:cry I get to use slippery slope logical fallacies comparing homosexuality to beastiality then accuse liberals of logical fallacies :cry

[ChumpDumper]

Again, moving the goalpost and narrowing the subset to those that believe in both couples only and same sex marriageSo you agree the subset exists. That's the first step in understanding how it invalidates your argument.

Good for you.
Yes, it is entirely believable that supporters of same sex marriage are just acting in their own self interest and it is not stupid at all to make the argument that polygamists can make the exact same argument in their own self interest as those that support same sex marriage.They can't say they want to be only in couple marriages.

[CosmicCowboy]

DOK really is a loser fuckhead. He keeps trying to stereotype anyone more conservative than him as totally agreeing with the fringe element on the right. That would equate to me thinking that everyone less conservative than me is as fucking looney tunes as Boutons. Shades of gray asshole.

[thunderup]

I said Republicans like talking about beastiality and provided 12 examples of GOP officials doing so. Don't shoot the messenger who's merely quoting what your political leaders are saying :lol
You are not that bright are you? Did your mom drop your worthless ass on your head when you were a baby?


:cry I love being a conservative :cry
:cry I get to use slippery slope logical fallacies comparing homosexuality to beastiality then accuse liberals of logical fallacies :cry

:lmao where have I said I'm conservative?
:lmao where have I opposed homosexuality and where have I attempted to argue that bestiality is acceptable?

:lmao product of Arizona showing he skipped logic class all semester long

[CosmicCowboy]

So you agree the subset exists. That's the first step in understanding how it invalidates your argument.

Good for you.They can't say they want to be only in couple marriages.

You never even read (or understood) my original post and jumped in to arguing a strawman I never said. GFY The original premise was qualified by IF you support gay marriage because it's consenting adults and they are in love then it would be hypocritical to deny polygamists the same argument.

[ChumpDumper]

You never even read (or understood) my original post and jumped in to arguing a strawman I never said. GFY The original premise was qualified by IF you support gay marriage because it's consenting adults and they are in love then it would be hypocritical to deny polygamists the same argument.So you have no idea if anyone actually believes only that.

Fair enough.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

DOK really is a loser fuckhead. He keeps trying to stereotype anyone more conservative than him as totally agreeing with the fringe element on the right. That would equate to me thinking that everyone less conservative than me is as fucking looney tunes as Boutons. Shades of gray asshole.
:lol fringe element? The people I've quoted include the guy who gave Romney the biggest run for his money during the 2012 Republican primary. Sorry, but the opinions about homosexuality in the OP are much closer to mainstream Republican views than you're admitting.

I'm also just stereotyping the people lashing out at me in this thread for simply quoting something. You all seem REALLY pissed I'm making fun of Republicans using the beastiality slippery slope.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You are not that bright are you? Did your mom drop your worthless ass on your head when you were a baby?
That's telling me :lol


:lmao where have I said I'm conservative?
You haven't, that doesn't mean your political stance isn't blatantly obvious based on your reaction to the OP.


:lmao where have I opposed homosexuality and where have I attempted to argue that bestiality is acceptable?
You haven't but again, it's obvious to me what your views are. People who don't think homosexuality leads to beastiality don't go out of their way to defend the view that homosexuality leads to beastiality.


:lmao product of Arizona showing he skipped logic class all semester long
There it is. You're still butthurt about our exchange in the college forum :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol fringe element? The people I've quoted include the guy who gave Romney the biggest run for his money during the 2012 Republican primary. Sorry, but the opinions about homosexuality in the OP are much closer to mainstream Republican views than you're admitting.

I'm also just stereotyping the people lashing out at me in this thread for simply quoting something. You all seem REALLY pissed I'm making fun of Republicans using the beastiality slippery slope.

:lmao

you are a pissant and an intellectual midget. Pissed? :lmao just repulsed by your stupidity.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao

you are a pissant and an intellectual midget. Pissed? :lmao just repulsed by your stupidity.

If calling me names helps you get over your association with beastiality sympathizers, be my guest :lol

[thunderup]

That's telling me :lol
You didn't answer the question. I would've asked if you're a special needs person but that would make me a prick on your level.



You haven't, that doesn't mean your political stance isn't blatantly obvious based on your reaction to the OP.
There you go again generalizing. Just because I question your shitty generalizations doesn't make me a conservative. :lmao

I'm merely pointing out how stupid you look.

You haven't but again, it's obvious to me what your views are. People who don't think homosexuality leads to beastiality don't go out of their way to defend the view that homosexuality leads to beastiality.
What are my views?

[CosmicCowboy]

Calling Rick Santorum "Mainstream Republican" when the asshole only got about 10% of the REPUBLICAN vote is just bum fucking stupid which I totally expect from you every time I see you post.

[Blake]

DOK really is a loser fuckhead. He keeps trying to stereotype anyone more conservative than him as totally agreeing with the fringe element on the right. That would equate to me thinking that everyone less conservative than me is as fucking looney tunes as Boutons. Shades of gray asshole.

lol loser fuckhead

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eomRgj2Wfu0/TiccqeDE0WI/AAAAAAAARrc/BN_-5CnrejE/s1600/ankle%2Bbiter.jpg

[TeyshaBlue]

Wtf...a Merle chihuahua?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Calling Rick Santorum "Mainstream Republican" when the asshole only got about 10% of the REPUBLICAN vote is just bum fucking stupid which I totally expect from you every time I see you post.

He got 20% of the popular vote during the Republican primary and 10% of the delegates, 2nd to only Romney in both areas. His views on gay marriage being comparable to beastiality are totally mainstream Republican views, hence why the greater majority of Republicans are against gay marriage.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

There you go again generalizing. Just because I question your shitty generalizations doesn't make me a conservative. :lmao
Your sensitive reaction to me making fun of conservatives is why I'd bet everything I own you're a conservative.


I'm merely pointing out how stupid you look.
Yup, I'm the one who looks stupid. Not the politicians comparing beastiality to gay marriage, but me for making fun of them.

This is why it's not very hard to figure out your stance on the matter.


What are my views?
You're an Oklahoman jeebotard with no post high school education and right wing political views. It's not that hard to figure out based off your reaction to this thread.

[thunderup]

Your sensitive reaction to me making fun of conservatives is why I'd bet everything I own you're a conservative.
I vote third party but keep stereotyping me to be Republican. It shows how overly sensitive you are to people who oppose your views. You're some kind of retard, partner.


Yup, I'm the one who looks stupid. Not the politicians comparing beastiality to gay marriage, but me for making fun of them.
You do look stupid for generalizing that all Republicans approve of bestiality.

You look even more stupider for stereotyping me to be a conservative because I question your bigoted generalizations.


You're an Oklahoman jeebotard with no post high school education and right wing political views. It's not that hard to figure out based off your reaction to this thread.
:lol Wow you totally have everything figured out!

:lol I have nothing against liberals but retards like you give them a bad name.

[ChumpDumper]

Your sensitive reaction to me making fun of conservatives is why I'd bet everything I own you're a conservative.


I vote third party but keep stereotyping me to be Republican.Are you a conservative?

[thunderup]

Are you a conservative?

No.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

No.
Did you vote for Gary Johnson?

[ChumpDumper]

No.How would you categorize yourself?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I vote third party but keep stereotyping me to be Republican. It shows how overly sensitive you are to people who oppose your views. You're some kind of retard, partner.
people who equate gay marriage to beastialitynare stupid. So are people like you who defend them.



you do look stupid for generalizing that all Republicans approve of bestiality.
Republicans do constantly use bestiality as an argument against gay marriage. I've provided examples of prominent republican politicians doing so.


you look even more stupider for stereotyping me to be a conservative because I question your bigoted generalizations.
Not as stupid as you look defending the comparison of bestiality to gay marriage.


Wow you totally have everything figured out!
You haven't denied any of it. Voting 3rd party doesn't dispute the accusation you have right wing views.


I have nothing against liberals but retards like you give them a bad name.
The fact you proclaim "I have nothing against liberals" as if that makes you look tolerant and unbiased is just your conservative instincts shining through again. Why would you have anything against liberals if you're not a conservative?

[thunderup]

Did you vote for Gary Johnson?

Why does it matter who I voted for?

[thunderup]

How would you categorize yourself?

With regards to what?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Why does it matter who I voted for?

:lol I guess this means you voted for Gary Johnson.

Who you vote for is indicative of your political views.

[ChumpDumper]

With regards to what?I'm going to go with "evasive."

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Here's what thunderup says when he isn't trying to pass himself off as independent and unbiased:


Wow, this board is overwhelmingly and disgustingly liberal. DMC (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20665) has taken numerous posters to the woodshed in gun related threads. Seeing all the usual libtards whimper around is hilarious.

& this is from someone who despises the GOP.

:lmao:lmao:lmao, word choice like "libtard" and "disgustingly liberal" really show how open you are and how little you have against liberals.

You even added an "I despise the GOP too!" qualifier to this one as well :lol

[thunderup]

people who equate gay marriage to beastialitynare stupid. So are people like you who defend them.
I'm not defending bestiality. Strawman.




Republicans do constantly use bestiality as an argument against gay marriage. I've provided examples of prominent republican politicians doing so.
:lol still with the bestiality shit

I'm curious Why do you care so much about gay marriage? We get it, you want gays to have their civil liberties.



Not as stupid as you look defending the comparison of bestiality to gay marriage.
You're the one insinuating I'm opposed to gay marriage because I'm "defending" bestiality. You're retarded.


You haven't denied any of it. Voting 3rd party doesn't dispute the accusation you have right wing views.
So I have right wing views, the ones you accuse me to have, because I'm questioning your generalizations. Got it.

The fact you proclaim "I have nothing against liberals" as if that makes you look tolerant and unbiased is just your conservative instincts shining through again. Why would you have anything against liberals if you're not a conservative?
I don't have anything against liberals or conservatives. I frankly don't give a shit about a lot of the politics that goes on nowadays. All politicians are some form of crooks, in my opinion. That's why I hardly venture into this forum. It's just bunch of cluttered political rhetoric bullshit being thrown around; then you have threads like this where people like yourself act so stupid I have to come in and regulate.

Let me ask again:
Why do you care so much about generalizing others to be conservative?

[thunderup]

Here's what thunderup says when he isn't trying to pass himself off as independent and unbiased:



:lmao:lmao:lmao, word choice like "libtard" and "disgustingly liberal" really show how open you are and how little you have against liberals.

You even added an "I despise the GOP too!" qualifier to this one as well :lol
So :lol, you're salty because you fit the description of a libtard. You are a libtard after all. Look at this thread for an example.
:lol you're reaching
:lmao @ qualifiers

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So :lol, you're salty because you fit the description of a libtard. You are a libtard after all. Look at this thread for an example.
:lol you're reaching
:lmao @ qualifiers

And you're a Republican. That's why you voted for a Republican, Gary Johnson.

[thunderup]

And you're a Republican. That's why you voted for a Republican, Gary Johnson.

So I voted for Gary Johnson, huh? C'mon lets stereotype some more. Gotta fit that libtard description.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm not defending bestiality. Strawman.
I didn't say you're defending bestiality. I said you're defending the slippery slope argument Republicans use against gay marriage.


I'm curious Why do you care so much about gay marriage? We get it, you want gays to have their civil liberties.
My goal in life is to destroy religion and everything associated to it. Legalizing gay marriage is part of that. I also have gay friends who are nice people.

Why do you care so much about my opinion towards Republicans?


You're the one insinuating I'm opposed to gay marriage because I'm "defending" bestiality. You're retarded.
The fact you're defending slippery slope arguments used against gay marriage is why it's obvious you're opposed to gay marriage.



So I have right wing views, the ones you accuse me to have, because I'm questioning your generalizations. Got it.
No, you have right wing views because you voted for Gary Johnson, use language to describe liberals that right wingers use, and you're really offended by my opinion of conservatives.

You still have yet to deny having right wing views.


I don't have anything against liberals or conservatives.
Accept when you think something is "disgustingly liberal" or someone is a "libtard". Before you accuse me of being just as bad, I willingly admit I have something against right wing politics and people who agree with it.


I frankly don't give a shit about a lot of the politics that goes on nowadays.
Except for when you see a "libtard" making fun of Republicans. Then you feel compelled to ride in as the white knight defending Republican honor.


All politicians are some form of crooks, in my opinion. That's why I hardly venture into this forum. It's just bunch of cluttered political rhetoric bullshit being thrown around; then you have threads like this where people like yourself act so stupid I have to come in and regulate.
Right, and I'm willing to bet you feel compelled to come in and "regulate" liberals while never doing the same with conservatives, because there's no point in "regulating" someone you agree with.


Let me ask again:
Why do you care so much about generalizing others to be conservative?
I care about people recognizing themselves for what they are. I freely admit to being liberal. You and the Wild Cobra types have right wing views but say shit like, "I voted 3rd party!" to try and convince others you're independent and trendy. Why is it such a big deal for people to admit that they're Republican/conservative?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Thunderfaggot
:lol Blatant neocon pretending he's not a GOP shill
:lol Has the exact same defensive attitude and obsession with "libtards" as Wild Cobra
:lol Kevin Durant chucking and stat-padding his way to det scoring title, at his teammates' expense (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/04/kevin-durant-acting-like-he-wants-scoring-title/)
:lol "But lately Durant has become visibly frustrated when things stand in his way of winning the scoring title. In a recent game, he barked at the scorer’s table when he noticed they had not yet recorded his bucket on the JumboTron."
:lol "In another instance, he chided Jackson for electing to pass to a more open teammate on a 3-on-1 break, despite the play resulting in a dunk that put the game out of reach late in the fourth quarter. Why? Durant knew the opposing team would call a timeout and in all likelihood he would not re-enter the game."
:lol "Durant also yelled at teammates for not pushing the ball when he alone would benefit from an easy basket, even when not pushing the ball was the better choice."
:lol "And more than ever before, Durant can be seen raising his hands as he stands on the perimeter, calling for the ball as if his teammates don’t know where he is at all times."
:lol Selfish prick
:lol Meth

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So I voted for Gary Johnson, huh? C'mon lets stereotype some more. Gotta fit that libtard description.

I asked you point blank if you voted for Gary Johnson and you dodged it, knowing that Gary Johnson is a conservative and you voted for him.

You followed that up with this post, where you neither admit nor deny voting for Gary Johnson, again.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So I voted for Gary Johnson, huh? C'mon lets stereotype some more. Gotta fit that libtard description.

That's the spirit! I'm glad I have helped you escape the state of denial you were in. You will now be much happier and free as an out-of-the-closet conservative who hates liberals.

[thunderup]

I didn't say you're defending bestiality. I said you're defending the slippery slope argument Republicans use against gay marriage.
What exactly am I saying that defends the slippery slope argument? Because I disagree with your broad generalization. I have right wing family members who don't support bestiality but support same sex marriage. So for you to generalize the way you did, well, let's just say, you deserve to get shit for it.


My goal in life is to destroy religion and everything associated to it. Legalizing gay marriage is part of that. I also have gay friends who are nice people.
I get your point about religion as I myself am not religious. Haven't been in years. That said, I don't go off on expressing my disapproval of it. Let people live the way they want to live. Kinda like your support for gay marriage. I'm indifferent to both, btw.


Why do you care so much about my opinion towards Republicans?

Because your generalizations and stereotyping bother me. Not all Republicans are what you say they are.

The fact you're defending slippery slope arguments used against gay marriage is why it's obvious you're opposed to gay marriage.

No, just no.


No, you have right wing views because you voted for Gary Johnson, use language to describe liberals that right wingers use, and you're really offended by my opinion of conservatives.
I'm offended by the stupidity you've shown for several pages. I'm pretty sure if I was to do a search the majority of your posts in this subforum would be :lol neocons, etc. You come off as a bigoted prick who generalizes some and then more.


You still have yet to deny having right wing views.
Why does it matter? Why does it bother you so much if I have views from both sides of the spectrum? Again, this is why you're a bigot.



Accept when you think something is "disgustingly liberal" or someone is a "libtard". Before you accuse me of being just as bad, I willingly admit I have something against right wing politics and people who agree with it.
Hence your creation of this thread and your bigoted views.


Except for when you see a "libtard" making fun of Republicans. Then you feel compelled to ride in as the white knight defending Republican honor.
To my knowledge, there is very few posters that fit the repubtard in this forum. I haven't come across many to tell you the truth. I would willingly call out these posters for their idiocy if it was at the level of this thread.


Right, and I'm willing to bet you feel compelled to come in and "regulate" liberals while never doing the same with conservatives, because there's no point in "regulating" someone you agree with.
Read above.

&

You reach, I teach.



I care about people recognizing themselves for what they are. I freely admit to being liberal.

We know this. Good for you, partner.

Why is it such a big deal for people to admit that they're Republican/conservative?
I wouldn't know.

[ChumpDumper]

So you're not politically conservative?

[thunderup]

I asked you point blank if you voted for Gary Johnson and you dodged it, knowing that Gary Johnson is a conservative and you voted for him.

You followed that up with this post, where you neither admit nor deny voting for Gary Johnson, again.
:lmao Look at you, partner. You're chomping at the bit to obtain this information in hopes to qualify your :cry you're a Republican :cry shit take

That's the spirit! I'm glad I have helped you escape the state of denial you were in. You will now be much happier and free as an out-of-the-closet conservative who hates liberals.

lol bigot generalizing more and more when he should understand his idiocy in this thread

[thunderup]

So you're not politically conservative?

I'm fiscally liberal.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm fiscally liberal.In what sense?

Give us some programs you favor.

[thunderup]

In what sense?

Give us some programs you favor.
Why do you want to get to know me politically, stranger on the internet?

[ChumpDumper]

Why do you want to get to know me politically, stranger on the internet?You said it wasn't a big deal.

[Clipper Nation]

Why do you want to get to know me politically, stranger on the internet?

Why are you posting on the political forum if you don't want to share your political views? :lol

[thunderup]

Why are you posting on the political forum if you don't want to share your political views? :lol

Why do I need to discuss my views to post here? Why can't we discuss yours?

[ChumpDumper]

Why do I need to discuss my views to post here? Why can't we discuss yours?Turns out it's a bigger deal to you than you claimed.

That's the main reason I asked.

[thunderup]

Turns out it's a bigger deal to you than you claimed.

That's the main reason I asked.

You asked me to get my attention, weird stranger on the internet with 70,000+ posts.

[ChumpDumper]

You asked me to get my attention, weird stranger on the internet with 70,000+ posts.No, I genuinely wanted to know if you were full of shit.

I have my answer.

[Clipper Nation]

Why do I need to discuss my views to post here? Why can't we discuss yours?
I've discussed mine many a time on here.... not sure how one can have a political debate without sharing any personal opinions on issues, but okay then :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm fiscally liberal.

So this means socially conservative :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

What exactly am I saying that defends the slippery slope argument? Because I disagree with your broad generalization. I have right wing family members who don't support bestiality but support same sex marriage. So for you to generalize the way you did, well, let's just say, you deserve to get shit for it.
I deserve shit because I scoff people who equate bestiality to homosexuality :lol. I'll let that speak for itself.

People are allowed to have their views, just like I'm allowed to scoff them and belittle them for basing their views off a book that they can't even prove isn't fiction.


I get your point about religion as I myself am not religious. Haven't been in years. That said, I don't go off on expressing my disapproval of it. Let people live the way they want to live. Kinda like your support for gay marriage. I'm indifferent to both, btw.
I would be indifferent except religious people try to force their beliefs down the throats of gay people and women.

Religion in general also distorts logic and thinking. The more religious a population is, the easier it is to manipulate it.

If Mitt Romney wants to think his underwear is magical, he can, I can also judge that belief when evaluating him politically.


Because your generalizations and stereotyping bother me. Not all Republicans are what you say they are.
Then they should distance themselves from prominent Republican politicians like Rick Santorum. I still consider myself liberal because it's a way of thinking, but the likes of Obama and Harry Reid have destroyed what a democrat is.


I'm offended by the stupidity you've shown for several pages. I'm pretty sure if I was to do a search the majority of your posts in this subforum would be :lol neocons, etc. You come off as a bigoted prick who generalizes some and then more.
Yeah you'd be right, I make it no secret I view neocons, theocons, and people who believe in supply side economics as stupid people.


Why does it matter? Why does it bother you so much if I have views from both sides of the spectrum? Again, this is why you're a bigot.
Why do conflicting views matter? Seriously :lol, if I think my views are right, then I'm going to have an issue with views I think are wrong.


Hence your creation of this thread and your bigoted views.
Yup. I freely admit I have bigoted views against Jeebotards against people who worship a mythical man in the sky. The big problem with religion in this country is people respect it too much and view scoffing religion as some extremely horrific act.


To my knowledge, there is very few posters that fit the repubtard in this forum. I haven't come across many to tell you the truth. I would willingly call out these posters for their idiocy if it was at the level of this thread.
Wild Cobra
DarrinS
spursncowboys

I expect you to start scoffing those Repubtards. The reason you don't think they're retarded is because you agree with their views.


I wouldn't know.
yes you would, hence why you're refusing to say what your views are.

[DAF86]

Any kind of relationship among consentual adults should be legal, imho. That means straight couples, gay couples, poligamy, incest. This doesn't include beastiality and pedophilia.

[kamikazi_player]

:lmao great thread :tu

[boutons_deux]

Any kind of relationship among consentual adults should be legal, imho. That means straight couples, gay couples, poligamy, incest. This doesn't include beastiality and pedophilia.

I agree, except that polygamy, like the Warren Jeffs case, seems to involve the guy screwing ALL the females, of any age, including his own kids.

But we must heed Scalia's slippery slope warning that if we become "insensitive" to same-sex marriage, we could become "insensitive" to murder.

:lol gotta love the impeccable logic and judicial credibility of these Repug-stacked JINO SCOTUS flaming assholes.

[jag]

Excellent thread. High fives all around.

I'm not sure how Teysha dragged that argument (over thread title semantics) for 3 pages. More than one mention of beastiality qualifies as "so much."

The fact that I've typed the word one time today means I've already done it too many times.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Excellent thread. High fives all around.

I'm not sure how Teysha dragged that argument (over thread title semantics) for 3 pages. More than one mention of beastiality qualifies as "so much."

The fact that I've typed the word one time today means I've already done it too many times.
:lmao

[boutons_deux]

TB :lol really hates it when we bitch slap his Repug politicians and bubba inflamers.

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[BobaFett1]

TB :lol really hates it when we bitch slap his Repug politicians and bubba inflamers.

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[Drachen]

boutons_deux likes bestiality


so much?

[boutons_deux]

see, y'all don't like feces gettin your faces.

and of course y'all can't refute bestiality as one of the the Repugs and "Christians" favorite, repeated slippery slope fear-mongering tactics.

[TeyshaBlue]

TB :lol really hates it when we bitch slap his Repug politicians and bubba inflamers.

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You need help, coward.

[TeyshaBlue]

Excellent thread. High fives all around.

I'm not sure how Teysha dragged that argument (over thread title semantics) for 3 pages. More than one mention of beastiality qualifies as "so much."

The fact that I've typed the word one time today means I've already done it too many times.

I like to argue, Schmuck.

It's not rocket science.

[TeyshaBlue]

I also enjoy busting on ideologues. This forum is a target rich environment. I don't get to dance with DOK often, but when I do, I drink lots of beer.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

TB :lol really hates it when we bitch slap his Repug politicians and bubba inflamers.

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TB strikes me as a moderate Republican who doesn't agree with the quotes in the OP at all but won't admit how much the GOP relies on people with those views.

For all the talk of the GOP moving to the left on social issues and immigration, it'll never happen. Issues like gay marriage, abortion, Obama's birth certificate, illegal immigration (yes, I'm calling that insignificant given illegals are leaving this country faster than they're coming in because of how much our economy sucks), planned parenthood, etc., keep dirt poor Jeebotards in the South distracted from their best economic interest. Social issues are what enable Republicans to win elections as a party that refuses to believe supply-side economics doesn't work.

c9kI_rAFuKA

[TeyshaBlue]

TB strikes me as a moderate Republican who doesn't agree with the quotes in the OP at all but won't admit how much the GOP relies on people with those views.

For all the talk of the GOP moving to the left on social issues and immigration, it'll never happen. Issues like gay marriage, abortion, Obama's birth certificate, illegal immigration (yes, I'm calling that insignificant given illegals are leaving this country faster than they're coming in because of how much our economy sucks), planned parenthood, etc., keep dirt poor Jeebotards in the South distracted from their best economic interest. Social issues are what enable Republicans to win elections as a party that refuses to believe supply-side economics doesn't work.

c9kI_rAFuKA

Yeah, it's an uncomfortable conflation that invites overgeneralizations by non-thinkers like boutons. I don't think the social strategy, such as it is, is paying off anymore, with the possible exception of gubernatorial elections. The waffle stomping Obama put on the GOP should be ample proof of the failure of the GOP strategies on the national stage.

I'm actually a fiscal conservative with pretty liberal social views. But, there's no party for that. lol

[TeyshaBlue]

"I'm actually a fiscal conservative with pretty liberal social views. But, there's no party for that. lol"

Somebody dumb this down for boutons, please.

[boutons_deux]

"fiscal conservative" nearly always mean pro-austerity that fucks the 99% to pay for the tax cuts for the 1%.

on which views is TB :lol "pretty liberal social"

[TeyshaBlue]

"fiscal conservative" nearly always mean pro-austerity that fucks the 99% to pay for the tax cuts for the 1%.

on which views is TB :lol "pretty liberal social"

fucking retard. Fiscal conservatism is not related to any of your thinkprogress buzz words.

Social views? Since you're too fucking stupid to recall anything that's not in your confrimation bias RSS feed:

Gay marriage? I'm good.
Universal Healthcare? I'm good.
Living minimum wage? I'm good.

Now, go hide behind the coward's skirts of your blogs, fucking coward.

[TeyshaBlue]

c'mon boutons. post a smiley and pretend you didn't get bitch slapped again.

[vy65]

^http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/565029_447384031983520_377599656_n.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah, it's an uncomfortable conflation that invites overgeneralizations by non-thinkers like boutons. I don't think the social strategy, such as it is, is paying off anymore, with the possible exception of gubernatorial elections. The waffle stomping Obama put on the GOP should be ample proof of the failure of the GOP strategies on the national stage.

I'm actually a fiscal conservative with pretty liberal social views. But, there's no party for that. lol
The GOP's ample failure at winning elections really doesn't matter when you look at their ample success at which policy gets through. Defense spending is still high, the rich still pay historic lows in taxes, the war on drugs is alive and well, labor unions have been shredded to pieces, everything is deregulated, and our last two Democratic presidents have sold out to the same corporations Reagan and Bush sold out to (just to a slightly lesser degree). The modern day Democrats might win meaningless elections that don't change anything, but right wing politics won the war. I'm glad he beat Romney because he's still better, but :lol @ liberals who think Obama is gonna change shit in this country prior to 2016.

[jag]

I like to argue, Schmuck.

It's not rocket science.

You were having quite the time trying to identify a straw man that didn't exist, so it might as well be rocket science.

[TeyshaBlue]

You were having quite the time trying to identify a straw man that didn't exist, so it might as well be rocket science.

Glad you enjoyed it.

[jag]

c'mon boutons. post a smiley and pretend you didn't get bitch slapped again.

:lol "angry little boutons"

[TeyshaBlue]

:lol "angry little boutons"

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/HappyTrain.jpg

[jag]

For the record, I'd say I'm pretty far to the right with some of my conservative views but I can't stand the Republican party. That's something Boutons and I have in common. His emotional/psychological instability and extremist views notwithstanding, I think we could be great pals. I really think he needs a friend, someone to confide in.

[coyotes_geek]

"I'm actually a fiscal conservative with pretty liberal social views. But, there's no party for that. lol"

Somebody dumb this down for boutons, please.

Allow me. :tu


"I'm blah a blah conservative blah blah blah blah blah. Blah, blah blah blah blah blah. lol"

:p:

[TeyshaBlue]

For the record, I'd say I'm pretty far to the right with some of my conservative views but I can't stand the Republican party. That's something Boutons and I have in common. His emotional/psychological instability and extremist views notwithstanding, I think we could be great pals. I really think he needs a friend, someone to confide in.

boutons and Jag in a rare, casual moment.:lol
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/1158613153763.gif

[Winehole23]

SA210, also cultivating boutons of late. crew is starting to gel.

[symple19]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/HappyTrain.jpg

This is precisely what I think of when I picture Boutons :lmao

[TeyshaBlue]

c'mon boutons. post a smiley and pretend you didn't get bitch slapped again.

lol boutons. Couldn't leave this thread fast enough.:lol

[jag]

illegal immigration (yes, I'm calling that insignificant given illegals are leaving this country faster than they're coming in because of how much our economy sucks)


Yeah, I don't buy this. We don't have anything resembling accurate numbers on the flow rate of illegals entering or leaving the US. Right now liberals only refer to the economy as being "terrible" when it supports whatever argument they're making.

"Jobs are being added and the unemployment % dropped again. Recovery is here!"

"Illegal immigration isn't an issue because the economy is in bad shape, and would-be illegal immigrants know they will have more opportunities if they stay in Mexico."

Even if what you say is true, which I don't believe for a second, it doesn't logically address the underlying problems with immigration. If the simple solution to the pseudo-problem of illegal immigration is a down economy, then hopefully people on both sides of the aisle can unite and collectively hope for a complete collapse.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah, I don't buy this. We don't have anything resembling accurate numbers on the flow rate of illegals entering or leaving the US. Right now
So what are the flow rates for illegals entering/leaving the US? Be specific.


liberals only refer to the economy as being "terrible" when it supports whatever argument they're making.
The economy has been terrible since the crash, all liberals (at least the ones I know who are educated people) claim is that the economy is better now than it was 4 years ago. We aren't losing 750,000 jobs a month like we were at the time, and global financial markets aren't on the verge of collapse either. If I was graduating with my exact same GPA, double major, and resume in 2009 as I'm graduating with now, I'd be unemployed and ready to move back in with mommeh as big accounting firms and investment banks were laying people off en mass and rescinding offers to graduates.


Even if what you say is true, which I don't believe for a second, it doesn't logically address the underlying problems with immigration. If the simple solution to the pseudo-problem of illegal immigration is a down economy, then hopefully people on both sides of the aisle can unite and collectively hope for a complete collapse.
I never said it addresses the problem. All it means is that the problem currently isn't a significant issue right now. A more significant issue might be, idk, restoring America to the country it was when illegals actually were coming here, then we'd actually have a problem to deal with. I'm all for securing and closing the border (George Bush however wasn't in spite of Janet Napolitano, our Democratic Governor, repeatedly asking him to do so at the time) it's just not a high priority right now given other issues. Immigration is an issue I'm much further to the right on than other stuff.

[boutons_deux]

Radar shows U.S. border security gaps

Operated from a Predator surveillance drone, the radar system has collected evidence that Border Patrol agents apprehended fewer than half of the foreign migrants and smugglers who had illegally crossed into a 150-square-mile stretch of southern Arizona.


The number of "gotaways," as the Border Patrol calls those who escape apprehension, is both more precise and higher than official estimates.


RELATED: Is the border secure?


According to internal reports, Border Patrol agents used the airborne radar to help find and detain 1,874 people in the Sonora Desert between Oct. 1 and Jan. 17. But the radar system spotted an additional 1,962 people in the same area who evaded arrest and disappeared into the United States.


In contrast, the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, estimated in January that the Border Patrol had caught 64% of those who illegally crossed into the Tucson sector in 2011.


http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/03/nation/la-na-border-radar-20130404

[jag]

So what are the flow rates for illegals entering/leaving the US? Be specific.



We don't have anything resembling accurate numbers on the flow rates of illegals entering or leaving the US.

We don't know. That's the point. We have ample evidence, over many years, that illegals have been doing everything from constructing advanced tunnel systems to building ramps over border fencing in attempts to cross into the US. The economy has been in bad shape since 2007, but now all of the sudden I'm supposed to believe that Juan and Paco would rather live in Juarez than bus tables at Chili's?

These niggas aren't signing the national guest book when they cross the border. The only ways to track them are by making rough estimates from border sightings and by the number of arrests, which isn't very accurate because the number of arrests is a variable dependent upon the number of available agents (among other factors). Even still, despite what Napolitano claims, arrests on illegals in some border states are higher than they were at this time last year.


I never said it addresses the problem. All it means is that the problem currently isn't a significant issue right now. A more significant issue might be, idk, restoring America to the country it was when illegals actually were coming here, then we'd actually have a problem to deal with. I'm all for securing and closing the border (George Bush however wasn't in spite of Janet Napolitano, our Democratic Governor, repeatedly asking him to do so at the time) it's just not a high priority right now given other issues. Immigration is an issue I'm much further to the right on than other stuff.

Illegal immigration isn't happening in a vacuum. It plays its own part in contributing to the economic issues we are currently having. If it didnt, I would agree with you. I agree that other issues need to be addressed as well, but that doesn't make the issue of Illegal Immigration insignificant, in the short-term or the long-term. Is it the largest issue affecting the economy? Absolutely not. I agree that economic issues need to be prioritized, but I don't contend that they can't be addressed concurrently.

If your argument is that it's a non-issue right now because more illegals are leaving than entering: There's nothing to indicate that. There's really nothing to indicate that anything at all has changed with regard to illegal traffic. Arrests are up - whatever that means. It could very well be getting worse, or it could have plateaued. There's nothing definitive either way. But to claim they're leaving en masse is nonsense.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

We don't know. That's the point. We have ample evidence, over many years, that illegals have been doing everything from constructing advanced tunnel systems to building ramps over border fencing in attempts to cross into the US. The economy has been in bad shape since 2007, but now all of the sudden I'm supposed to believe that Juan and Paco would rather live in Juarez than bus tables at Chili's?
It's a combination of our economy being in bad shape, laws like SB1070, and conditions in Latin American countries not being as bad as they used to be. Maybe Texas is a different story but the amount of illegals has unquestionably gone down in AZ.

The bad state of our economy is also magnified with illegals since unskilled, uneducated people are the ones getting hit hard. Niggas like us with real technical skills and a useful degree can get a job that pays 50k+ with ease, Juan and Paco can't even make half of that. The lifestyle of someone in the US who makes $10 an hour isn't worth illegally pursuing.


These niggas aren't signing the national guest book when the cross the border. The only way to track them is by the number of arrests and that's not very accurate because the number of arrests is a variable dependent upon the number of available agents (among other factors). Even still, despite what Napolitano claims, arrests on illegals in some border states are higher than they were at this time last year.
Arrests across the country (iirc) have gone up since Obama took office. He's a war on drugs Nazi who's in bed with the prison industrial complex and loves being able to use illegals as a way to fill their prisons :lol.


Illegal immigration isn't happening in a vacuum. It plays its own part in contributing to the economic issues we are currently having.
I just don't think its effect on the economy is major. The reason why I side with conservatives on the issue is because the Mexicans who come here illegally do so because they're the afterbirths of Mexico who have nothing to offer other than cheap labor, while I still say any liberal who's OK with a Hispanic majority in this country is naive.


I agree that other issues need to be addressed as well, but that doesn't make the issue of Illegal Immigration insignificant, in the short-term or the long-term. Is it the largest issue affecting the economy? Absolutely not. I agree that economic issues need to be prioritized, but I don't contend that they can't be addressed concurrently.
Given that congress and the president struggle over every little thing possible, two issues as controversial as immigration and the economy getting addressed concurrently is unfortunately a pipe dream :lol. When they try to address even one, it involves several weeks of pissing matches and posturing only for the issue to get kicked down the road for a few months.



If your argument is that it's a non-issue right now because more illegals are leaving than entering: There's nothing to indicate that.
1) Lets hypothetically say we knew the number is going down. Would you, in that event, agree it's a minor problem right now?

2) My argument is that it is not a significant issue right now. Millions (we for sure know that much about the numbers :lol) of people illegally in America is obviously an issue, but this country is in such an otherwise fucked state it isn't the issue it was prior to the recession.


There's really nothing to indicate that anything at all has changed with regard to illegal traffic. Arrests are up - whatever that means. It could very well be getting worse, or it could have plateaued. There's nothing definitive either way. But to claim they're leaving en masse is nonsense.
Who claimed they were leaving en mass?


If parts of that post made no sense sorry im pregaming for a day drinking party.

[boutons_deux]

Once again, Repugs inflamming their "patriotic xenophobic racists" with the illegal immigrant fuel, but when the Repug controlled federal govt 2001-2006, they did NOTHING about the problem.

Why Businesses Love Illegal Immigration


Tod Kelly tells a story about a commercial nursery that hired his firm a few years ago to help get their workers compensation claims under control. After examining the nursery's operations, they made several recommendations about buying some new equipment and updating their training: (http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2011/11/29/illegal-immigration-the-people-well-choose-to-be/)

As we were wrapping up, as an aside, we noted that one of their larger ongoing back injury claimants was an illegal alien. We could close that claim out quickly, we told them, by letting the injured worker know that we would have light duty work for him were he able to legally work for the nursery. Since he wasn’t able, he could be terminated and all future indemnity costs would disappear. As soon as we explained this, the brothers began looking at each other, wide eyed and smiling. I cringed inwardly. I knew we had just made a mistake.

The updated equipment was never purchased, of course. And taking the time to train or stretch was seen as a waste of the company’s time and money. The claims continued to flood in, but now with each claim came notification from the employer that they had “reason to suspect” the claimant was an illegal worker, along with a request to send the light-duty letter so we could avoid making indemnity payments. Over the course of the next year the number of employee injuries increased 20%. But without indemnity costs their annual claims cost decreased 55% — and their insurance premiums went down as a result. They were able to terminate our services the next year with a glowing letter of recommendation.
Today they have moved from being one of a top-100 nursery to being a top-15, and by all accounts are going strong.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/11/why-businesses-love-illegal-immigration


Along with above and many other situations, businesses, many of them with Repug mgmt, also underpay or flatly don't pay even the very low wages, know the immigrants won't/can't go to any authorities.

[TeyshaBlue]

If parts of that post made no sense sorry im pregaming for a day drinking party.

I'll be over after work.

[TeyshaBlue]

SA210, also cultivating boutons of late. crew is starting to gel.

Is this the rebirth of the Axis of Vapidity?

[jag]

The reason why I side with conservatives on the issue is because the Mexicans who come here illegally do so because they're the afterbirths of Mexico who have nothing to offer

:lol


1) Lets hypothetically say we knew the number is going down. Would you, in that event, agree it's a minor problem right now?

I don't do hypotheticals. But hypothetically speaking, if I did do hypotheticals and the hypothetical trend was downward, then it would still be a significant issue, although not as pressing as a hypothetical situation involving an upward trend in Juans.


Who claimed they were leaving en mass?

I did, so I could show Teysha what a real straw man looked like. His confusion was cluttering up too many threads around here.


If parts of that post made no sense sorry im pregaming for a day drinking party.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Drinking during tax season.

[TeyshaBlue]

I did, so I could show Teysha what a real straw man looked like. His confusion was cluttering up too many threads around here.


http://www.audioandanarchy.com/images/smilies/really1.png

[boutons_deux]

Agribusiness Pushes To Lower Farm Workers’ Wages May Undermine Deal On Immigration Reform

Under current law, growers can legally bring foreign agricultural workers into the United States under the H-2A visa program after making an active effort to recruit U.S. workers in areas of expected labor supply. Employers must pay the higher of the state or federal minimum wage, a local prevailing wage rate or the adverse effect wage rate (AEWR), a Reagan era formula based on the USDA Farm Labor Survey of the average wages of nonsupervisory field and livestock workers. Growers who import labor are prohibited from paying their agricultural workers less than the average of the wages in their region and are exempt from paying Social Security and Medicare taxes on H-2A compensation. As a result, foreign workers cost growers an average of 11 percent less than American workers.


Lax enforcement of H-2A standards, however, has allowed growers to routinely circumvent protections, including advertising requirements and the hiring of illegal international recruiters to import even cheaper labor from Mexico. Workers on H-2A visas, advocates say, are abused by employers, cheated out of pay, and lack basic labor protections like occupational safety standards. Farm workers are paid some of the lowest wages in the country and are more likely to live in poverty and lack basic access to health care than salary employees.

Individuals involved in the negotiations say that growers are demanding wage standards that would amount to a significant reduction from the current AEWR formula, allowing employers to import cheap foreign labor while significantly undercutting American workers and lowering the earning potential of future streams of workers. Growers, whose opening offer would have paid workers just 10 percent above the federal minimum wage, have proposed numerous pay formulas, one person directly involved in the negotiations told ThinkProgress, but appear uninterested in compromising with labor groups. Kristi Boswell, Director of Congressional Relations at the American Farm Bureau — the organization representing growers — pushed back against that formulation, saying that while the discussions are “ongoing,” the growers’ proposals would “increase wages” for farmers and would better represent market conditions. The current AEWR average is $10.80, while grower proposals would pay workers less than $8.


http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2013/04/05/1821811/agribusiness-push-to-lower-farm-workers-wages-may-undermine-deal-on-immigration-reform/

shitty work, shitty pay, what's not to love if your an ag employer?

[Winehole23]

Is this the rebirth of the Axis of Vapidity?who please?

[Winehole23]

I'm obsessed with sexy beagles.I can't unsee that, you filthy filthy man.

[LnGrrrR]

I can't unsee that, you filthy filthy man.

:lol That was my thought.

[TeyshaBlue]

who please?

I think the previous iteration consisted of Parker and SA210...however, I'm unconvinced that neither is a troll account of the other.:lol

[Blake]

I think the previous iteration consisted of Parker and SA210...however, I'm unconvinced that neither is a troll account of the other.:lol

:lol

Parker is/was more willing to discuss. SA210 prefers to declare that disagreement = butthurt = victory.

I think both are definitely starters on Team Vapidity though.