link dump related to: Amina Tyler

[Winehole23]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-22/prosecute-the-cleric-not-the-topless-woman-in-tunisia.html
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/femen-stages-a-topless-jihad/100487/
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/438773/20130224/femen-berlusconi-italy-election-hurl.htm
http://www.policymic.com/articles/30887/amina-tyler-tunisian-woman-receiving-death-threats-for-trying-to-start-feminist-group

[Winehole23]

much braver for a solitary Tunisian with ordinary good looks than a gang of hot Romans and Parisians, but they were brave too.

[TeyshaBlue]

Freudian thought slips are a bitch. That was not what I thought you posted as a title.:depressed
:lol

[Winehole23]

on the whole, I approve of their message, even without the nudity tbh.

it's time for the world to get over women being chattels and marriage cows.

[Winehole23]

Freudian thought slips are a bitch. That was not what I thought you posted as a title.:depressed
:lolgo away with yourself, you feelthy feelthy man . . .

[TeyshaBlue]

on the whole, I approve of their message, even without the nudity tbh.

it's time for the world to get over women being chattels and marriage cows.

Word.:toast

[Winehole23]

that conventional religion and folk religion can't get over it is a given, so there'll always be folks who foreseeably disagree about women being cattle.

[TeyshaBlue]

I think there's room for evolution of thought within some of the conventional religions.

[Winehole23]

why shouldn't feudalism make a comeback? our legal system arose from it and perpetuates it. all that is left is for conscience to remain slightly retrograde and good men to stand and gape.

no blame.

[Winehole23]

I think there's room for evolution of thought within some of the conventional religions.absolutely. well underway in some places. perspective is important.

[TeyshaBlue]

why shouldn't feudalism make a comeback? our legal system arose from it and perpetuates it. all that is left is for conscience to remain slightly retrograde and good men to stand and gape.

no blame.
Take a trip to Deep East Texas sometime.

[TeyshaBlue]

Let the britches hit the floor!

[vy65]

http://proudtobeafilthyliberalscum.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/yachiru__the_attention_whore_by_zeki_chan51.jpg

[Winehole23]

even a generation ago, Episcopalianism seemed to be evolving on the question.

[Winehole23]

then I moved to Austin, Tx and lost all contact with most conventional belief systems . . .

[TeyshaBlue]

:lol

[Winehole23]

Let the britches hit the floor!feeelthy . . .

[symple19]

Well, I'm aroused

Good message, though.

After my fun-filled time in the middle east it always struck me that there would never be real change within Islamic culture until the women got fed up and decided to stop taking all the bullshit... Problem is, many, many, will have to die to achieve that goal and it won't be pretty

[Winehole23]

the solidarity is neato, but flashing your titty in the capitols of Europe ain't gonna get it done.

[symple19]

the solidarity is neato, but flashing your titty in the capitols of Europe ain't gonna get it done.

:lol

of course not, but the pictures are always appreciated

[ChumpDumper]

Muffintop Jihad.

[Winehole23]

not for someone like Amina Tyler.

a grand gesture, sure, but what got the most attention?

[Winehole23]

muffintop?

[vy65]

women protest the plight of muslim women being treated like chattel; flash they titties in public; men in turn oogle at said titties, and in turn, objectify women. am I the only one picking up on the irony?

[vy65]

Muffintop Jihad.

this

[Winehole23]

:lol

of course not, but the pictures are always appreciatedas designed. this was counted on.

you got the message in spite of your bad self. so did I.

and whoever forgets the message may still remember the pictures.

[Blake]

They'll oogle while giving her fifty lashes for her debauchery.

[Winehole23]

women protest the plight of muslim women being treated like chattel; flash they titties in public; men in turn oogle at said titties, and in turn, objectify women. am I the only one picking up on the irony?what irony? the titties don't belong to the men.

deliberately using titties to magnify the political message? seems kinda manipulative; is certainly effective.

otoh, they're just titties -- what's the big deal?

[vy65]

I love titties as much as the next guy. And the point I'm making isn't a big deal. But the sense I'm getting is that the dudes here (and in Europe too) are more caught up with the titties then the message because, well, they're titties.

They're attention whores trying to make a political message. The medium they're using drowns out the message.

[vy65]

Clearly, these whores are concerned with the plight of muslim women and not showing their tits at any chance they get to protest the cause celebre in vogue that day ...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Fuck_EURO2012.jpg/800px-Fuck_EURO2012.jpg

[Winehole23]

They're attention whores trying to make a political message. The medium they're using drowns out the message.prediction?

maybe. remains to be seen.

[vy65]

But I guess we're ok with white people running around saying Fuck the Islamists (whatever Islamist means) so long as they got titties, amirite?

[Winehole23]

Clearly, these whores are concerned with the plight of muslim women and not showing their tits at any chance they get to protest the cause celebre in vogue that day ... whores?

implies a cash nexus. but clearly, that's one way to get an interview.

[vy65]

well, of the attention variety at least

[Winehole23]

But I guess we're ok with white people running around saying Fuck the Islamists (whatever Islamist means) so long as they got titties, amirite?I'm ok with people saying whatever they want. this is an unmoderated forum.

[vy65]

That's a convenient response

[Winehole23]

well, of the attention variety at leastyou're magnifying it. you just posted titties linked to political activism.

[Winehole23]

That's a convenient responsealso, true

[vy65]

Thinking that I can persuade most people that these bitches are attention whores is a losing battle. I don't think I'm magnifying anything in that regard.

[Winehole23]

Thinking that I can persuade most people that these bitches are attention whores is a losing battle.probably not, tbh

[Winehole23]

being an attention whore is incidental to being correct or incorrect, correct?

[vy65]

I dunno. But, why's that matter?

[vy65]

I can't speak to generalities. If you wanna re-ask your question as applied here, go for it ...

[Winehole23]

so, so what if they're attention whores, and that's even better: they're willing to risk their reputations for a cause.

what's your take on the cause?

[Winehole23]

I dunno. But, why's that matter?why does it matter so much that you called them whores unconditionally in a public forum?

[Winehole23]

sure, you walked it back like a good boy . . .

[vy65]

Well, I have two general problems:

1. I think that these whores are more concerned with flashing their tits for attention than the underlying issue at cause;

2. I think their message is highly inconsistent; as a group opposed to (gender) hierarchies ("FEMEN - is the name of the scandal famous organization of topless women activists, who defend with their breast sexual and social equality in the world;" from their website), I wonder why they adopt a borderline neo-conservative message (Fuck the Islamists, Fuck your Morals). They've adopted a colonizing attitude towards the culture and religion of the orient (let's flash our titties so they change; or, we don't care if they change, let's just flash our titties which only reinforces #1). It shows a severe lack of thought for a group ostensibly concerned with equality to take such a position.

[boutons_deux]

the solidarity is neato, but flashing your titty in the capitols of Europe ain't gonna get it done.

It gets international attention, which is exactly their point.

Fuck Religions, all of them, makes you stupid and full of hate and vengeance.

And ALL RELIGIONS have always been men's hustle to oppress women as secondary humans.

[vy65]

why does it matter so much that you called them whores unconditionally in a public forum?

Because they're whores and this is discourse.

Why does it matter so much for you to ask me why I call them whores, in a public forum?

[TeyshaBlue]

Fuck Religions, all of them, makes you stupid and full of hate and vengeance.


Who knew you were so religious?:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Because they're whores and this is discourse.

Why does it matter so much for you to ask me why I call them whores, in a public forum?

Since "whores" dictates a profit relationship, it's not an accurate descriptor for what they are trying to accomplish.

[boutons_deux]

Well, I have two general problems:

1. I think that these whores are more concerned with flashing their tits for attention than the underlying issue at cause;

2. I think their message is highly inconsistent; as a group opposed to (gender) hierarchies ("FEMEN - is the name of the scandal famous organization of topless women activists, who defend with their breast sexual and social equality in the world;" from their website), I wonder why they adopt a borderline neo-conservative message (Fuck the Islamists, Fuck your Morals). They've adopted a colonizing attitude towards the culture and religion of the orient (let's flash our titties so they change; or, we don't care if they change, let's just flash our titties which only reinforces #1). It shows a severe lack of thought for a group ostensibly concerned with equality to take such a position.

1. people who never heard of Amina will ask why they are flashing their tits.

2. they DO CARE about change, that's why they flash.

neo-conservative is "Fuck the Islamists, Fuck your Morals" ? :lol

goddam, you right-wingers are consistently stupid fucks.

[vy65]

Since "whores" dictates a profit relationship, it's not an accurate descriptor for what they are trying to accomplish.

Fair enough

[Winehole23]

Because they're whores and this is discourse.

Why does it matter so much for you to ask me why I call them whores, in a public forum?it doesn't. thanks for the clarification.

[Winehole23]

presumably that includes Amina Tyler, no?

[Winehole23]

(just curious who all you're calling a hooker)

[vy65]

presumably that includes Amina Tyler, no?

I'm inclined to say no because she's situated in a very different place viz. FEMEN

[Winehole23]

fair enough. can you elaborate?

[vy65]

I'm not calling anyone a hooker - just attention whores.

[vy65]

fair enough. can you elaborate?

She's a Tunisian woman who lives in a different society/culture. Her experiences are different. Because she is an "insider" (for lack of a better term, her message as spoken by her has a different resonance compared to ugly fat bitches running amok in Kiev.

[vy65]

But at the end of the day, I'm inclined to think AT is an AW too

[Winehole23]

I'm not calling anyone a hooker - just attention whores.your delicacy will be duly noted by the insurgent matriarchy.

[vy65]

If/When that happens, I know I'll be the first against the wall ...

[vy65]

fwiw, I'd have little to no problems with the FEMEN protests if they were honest about their unexpressed colonial attitudes

[Winehole23]

But at the end of the day, I'm inclined to think AT is an AW tooall in the same ditch at the end of the day?

good work!

the royalty check from the secret patriarchy government is on the way!

thanks for doing your part to uphold the double standard for all brothers oppressed by unruly, heathenish crones




(in b4 points @ titties)

[vy65]

A little bit of histrionics helps the medicine go down WH

[Blake]

But I guess we're ok with white people running around saying Fuck the Islamists (whatever Islamist means) so long as they got titties, amirite?

:lol who says "fuck the Islamists" and what does that have to do with this thread

[Winehole23]

the hand waving about titties and whores wasn't all me.

[vy65]

:lol who says "fuck the Islamists" and what does that have to do with this thread

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/femen-stages-a-topless-jihad/100487/

[Winehole23]

She's a Tunisian woman who lives in a different society/culture. Her experiences are different. Because she is an "insider" (for lack of a better term, her message as spoken by her has a different resonance compared to ugly fat bitches running amok in Kiev.so then would it be fair to say, "fat ugly bitches running amok in Kiev" = "whores?"

[vy65]

Because calling someone an attention whore is tantamount to decrying oppression by crones and/or being a sleeper agent for the patriarchy ...

[vy65]

*attention whores

[Winehole23]

calling someone an attention whore is tantamount to decrying oppression by crones and/or being a sleeper agent for the patriarchy ..orly? tantamount how?

[vy65]

I see the ability to sense sarcasm is weak in this one

[Winehole23]

sleeper agent of the patriarchy?: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19260550

[Winehole23]

I see the ability to sense sarcasm is weak in this onebullshit detector worked. that's some weak bs there.

[vy65]

What the shit are you talking about WH?

[boutons_deux]

attention whore is always perjorative

what she did was to get attention to the oppression of women in Islamist dominated Tunisia and other countries.


Why the "whore" label? Because right-wingers are (conserve the) establishment types who detest and ridicule (and fear) any kind of anti-establishment protest, like OWS "dirty hippies", as illegitimate.

[Winehole23]

did not set off my laff detector. did you just make yourself laff, vy65?

[TeyshaBlue]

attention whore is always perjorative

what she did was to get attention to the oppression of women in Islamist dominated Tunisia and other countries.


Why the "whore" label? Because right-wingers are (conserve the) establishment types who detest and ridicule (and fear) any kind of anti-establishment protest, like OWS "dirty hippies", as illegitimate.

Hush. The grownups are talking, retard.

[Blake]

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/femen-stages-a-topless-jihad/100487/

Oh ok. For some reason I thought you meant Americans.

But i don't think all those chicks are white.

[spursncowboys]

I bet money they all checked their jeans to make sure they will go with their shoes. Men win again

[boutons_deux]

I bet money they all checked their jeans to make sure they will go with their shoes. Men win again

Unlike US women, the avg French lady has a good sense of style.

You LOSE AGAIN.

Women don't all depend on men for approval.

Some just like to look good, and don't expect looking good and/or sexy means they want to fuck you.

[Wild Cobra]

Yes Boutons, we know you don't look to men for approval.

[Stringer_Bell]

Sorry folks, but I ain't joining this protest. Them bitches got shitty titties.

[Wild Cobra]

Sorry folks, but I ain't joining this protest. Them bitches got shitty titties.
They look like healthy natural ones to me.

[spursncowboys]

Unlike US women, the avg French lady has a good sense of style.

You LOSE AGAIN.

Women don't all depend on men for approval.

Some just like to look good, and don't expect looking good and/or sexy means they want to fuck you.
It was a joke. I think this is a great protest. I only wish I could have been there to

[Winehole23]

@#30:


Last edited by Deuce; 12 Hours Ago at 12:59 PM.own nickname?

Deuce Bigolo, male gigolo?

[Winehole23]

fwiw, I'd have little to no problems with the FEMEN protests if they were honest about their unexpressed colonial attitudesstrikes me as the first plausibly fair thing you've said in this thread.

cosmopolitan Europe baring its titties to honor an African might be rude in more than one way.

European feminism expressed its freedom to go bare chested in public without major state harassment, Amina Tyler was (apparently) sent to the nuthouse and publicly denounced by her family for her outrageous fb post, and has barely been heard from since.

[Winehole23]

They look like healthy natural ones to me.amen, brother

[Winehole23]

and please pass the peas

[Winehole23]

have you been following FEMEN, vy65, or was that more off the cuff style narrative?

[Winehole23]

...

[Winehole23]

If/When that happens, I know I'll be the first against the wall ...fantasizing already? :lol

[Winehole23]

Sorry folks, but I ain't joining this protest. Them bitches got shitty titties.have a heart, Stringer_Bell, we can't all afford your high standards.

[Winehole23]

A group of Muslim women has launched an online campaign (http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201304050033-0022659) in response to demonstrations by bare-breasted activists staged in front of mosques and Tunisian embassies across Europe.


The "Muslimah Pride Day" was organised in response to the Ukrainian women's rights group Femen's self-declared "Topless Jihad Day", a day of topless protests around the world to support Tunisian activist Amina Tyler (http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201303252145-0022635).


Organiser Sofia Ahmed, writing on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/events/405975192834405/), said: "Muslimah [Female Muslim] pride is about connecting with your Muslim identity and reclaiming our collective voice. Let's show the world that we oppose Femen and their use of Muslim women to reinforce Western imperialism."


Using social media sites, some Muslim women have posted photographs of themselves holding placards with messages to Femen such as "Nudity does not liberate me - and I do not need saving" and "Femen can't tell me what I can and can't wear".

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/04/20134511838270701.html

[symple19]

Western imperialism!

[Winehole23]

But at the end of the day, I'm inclined to think AT is an AW tooshort day. are you sure you didn't think so already?

[TeyshaBlue]

have you been following FEMEN.......

Its not just me, right?

http://selfawarenerd.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/chani.jpg?w=625&h=267

[symple19]

Its not just me, right?

http://selfawarenerd.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/chani.jpg?w=625&h=267

Me too

Have you read the continuation of the series by Herbert's son?

[TeyshaBlue]

Me too

Have you read the continuation of the series by Herbert's son?

No...but those have been on my list for the last 15 years. lol

[symple19]

No...but those have been on my list for the last 15 years. lol

They're quite good. Many were based on daddy's outlines.

Do yourself a favor