Joel Osteen

[DMX7]

http://www.joelostenministries.com















I know it's a hoax. It's hysterical though.

[spursncowboys]

:toast He's a great man

[Winehole23]

http://houston.culturemap.com/news/city_life/04-08-13-inside-the-great-joel-osteen-internet-hoax-who-knew-haters-had-so-much-free-time/

[rjv]

nice hoax

[TeyshaBlue]

That's fairly awesome. lol

[Blake]

:toast He's a great man

What would Jesus charge?


Joel Osteen
Marlins Park, Miami, FL
Sat 4/20/2013
7:30 p.m. EST
Clubhouse Box 21Row*B*|*General Admission

Price (each)QuantityTicket cost $575.00 USD

Stub hub

[spursncowboys]

I don't think he's jesus. Almost certain of that.

Maybe the real question should be "what does he do with the money?" or "what business is it of mine" or even "I'm such a hypocrite to have a job; then use the money I make to try and better myself and loved ones but look down on others for doing the same thing". "Why should I contend that a religious figure of a religion who I don't even believe in makes more money than myself".

[baseline bum]

http://www.joelostenministries.com















I know it's a hoax. It's hysterical though.

LOL, of course it's a hoax. You think that dickhead is running away from his tax-free gravy train?

[DMX7]

He took it all in stride as I knew he would.

[DMX7]

Just look at that smug look on his face. I hate you!

[Blake]

I don't think he's jesus. Almost certain of that.

You sure?



Maybe the real question should be "what does he do with the money?" or "what business is it of mine" or even "I'm such a hypocrite to have a job; then use the money I make to try and better myself and loved ones but look down on others for doing the same thing". "Why should I contend that a religious figure of a religion who I don't even believe in makes more money than myself".

Wut

[Reck]

I used to watch his informacials at 2AM in the morning for some reason.

He's entertaining, I give him that. :lol

[DMX7]

Oh, he puts on a show -- that's for sure.

[boutons_deux]

I've listened to him a little bit.

That greasy mullet, WTF?

[Spurminator]

Osteen is pretty harmless overall. His message is basically positive and as far as I'm aware he's usually steered clear of political issues and provocation. Unlike Robert Jeffress of First Baptist Dallas, who loves to take advantage of good ol' fashioned self righteous Christian anger to get another interview on Fox News.

[GoodOdor]

Can't blame a player taking advantage of stupid people tbh. Good for him.

[Nbadan]

Self-empowerment and Christianity usually don't mix well but guys like Olsteen play the "God wants you to be successful" card well...

[DMX7]

Self-empowerment and Christianity usually don't mix well but guys like Olsteen play the "God wants you to be successful" card well...

They don't?

[boutons_deux]

Self-empowerment and Christianity usually don't mix well but guys like Olsteen play the "God wants you to be successful" card well...

WTF is self-empowerment?

[spursncowboys]

Self-empowerment and Christianity usually don't mix well but guys like Olsteen play the "God wants you to be successful" card well...
Nope. Good try with a safe attempt of generalizing on a subject you know nothing about just to have a comment

[ElNono]

Don't hate the player, hate the game...

[Nbadan]

They don't?

No they don't....self empowerment is more Buddhist or Hindu...Christianity is about owing all your good fortune to God....that's why you pray and thank God...

[Nbadan]

WTF is self-empowerment?

Believing that there is no supreme being out there that is guiding your life....you are responsible for your success and you are responsible for your consequences...

[Nbadan]

Don't hate the player, hate the game...

True, and I guess that if wasn't Olsteen playing the game it would be some other guy, but don't you wish that these guys like Olsteen and Hagee would be more 'christ-like' in their deeds and actions....I wonder what Jesus would say about Mega-churches and Pastors who live in the Dominion...

[baseline bum]

True, and I guess that if wasn't Olsteen playing the game it would be some other guy, but don't you wish that these guys like Olsteen and Hagee would be more 'christ-like' in their deeds and actions....I wonder what Jesus would say about Mega-churches and Pastors who live in the Dominion...

Kenneth Copeland's crooked ass is still the worst, and puts even that fat fuck Hagee to shame

mJ9oBCLwwL0

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Can't blame a player taking advantage of stupid people tbh. Good for him.

Agreed, tbh. Same with Hagee and all the other mega-Church ministers. You get to take 10% of their income while promising them something (heaven) that doesn't exist. It's the most brilliant ponzi scheme of all time :lol

[baseline bum]

Agreed, tbh. Same with Hagee and all the other mega-Church ministers. You get to take 10% of their income while promising them something (heaven) that doesn't exist. It's the most brilliant ponzi scheme of all time :lol

:lol LOL at all those idiots cheering on that $20 million jet they bought pastor :lol

[Nbadan]

I don't know if it's a ponzi scheme, I would like to believe that Heaven does exist...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol LOL at all those idiots cheering on that $20 million jet they bought pastor :lol

Joseph Smith was fuckin quoted saying, "If you wanna be rich, start a religion" yet Mormons still believe he was some sort of prophet :lol

[Nbadan]

.....but Karma is real.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I don't know if it's a ponzi scheme, I would like to believe that Heaven does exist...

not sure if serious

[baseline bum]

I don't know if it's a ponzi scheme, I would like to believe that Heaven does exist...

Me too, but I'm not 9

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

rofl yeah I'd also like to believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, etc.

[Nbadan]

:lol LOL at all those idiots cheering on that $20 million jet they bought pastor :lol

I know a guy on the SS who gives everything he has to his church..his money, his time, his concern..but because he doesn't have the 'presentation' like Hagee or Olsteen he lives like a pauper....

[DMX7]

I don't know if it's a ponzi scheme, I would like to believe that Heaven does exist...


You "would like"; therefore it's true?

[Nbadan]

rofl yeah I'd also like to believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, etc.

I guess that is one way of looking at it, but beliefs aren't so easy to understand...unlike the tooth fairy or Santa Clause...religion can lead to great things like people turning themselves around or even whole societies believing that they can succeed because they have the grace of God...hell, all of America thinks that way...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You "would like"; therefore it's true?

:lol it's the same way people convince themselves Jesus is definitely coming back to earth for the rapture before their death, because they "would like to think" Jesus wouldn't pass on the opportunity to meet someone as cool as they are :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I guess that is one way of looking at it, but beliefs aren't so easy to understand...unlike the tooth fairy or Santa Clause...religion can lead to great things like people turning themselves around or even whole societies believing that they can succeed because they have the grace of God...hell, all of America thinks that way...
That worked really well in 2000 and 2004 when America made George Bush a two term president because he has god behind him.

[Nbadan]

You "would like"; therefore it's true?

I don't know whether it definitely does or doesn't, do you?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I don't know whether it definitely does or doesn't, do you?

The burden rests on you to prove it does exist, not the other way around.

[baseline bum]

I don't know whether it definitely does or doesn't, do you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

[Nbadan]

The burden rests on you to prove it does exist, not the other way around.

If your waiting around for proof then your gonna have a long wait.....that's why they call it faith...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If your waiting around for proof then your gonna have a long wait.....that's why they call it faith...

And that's why they have to use some really inspiring cliche word like "faith" to justify believing in something for no logical reason whatsoever.

How did that "faith" work out for America when it voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004? Inquiring minds want to know since you decided to use America as an example of religion doing good things.

[Nbadan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

Philosopher Paul Chamberlain says it is logically erroneous to assert that positive truth claims bear a burden of proof while negative truth claims do not.[11] He says that all truth claims bear a burden of proof, and that like Mother Goose and the tooth fairy, the teapot bears the greater burden not because of its negativity, but because of its triviality, arguing that "When we substitute normal, serious characters such as Plato, Nero, Winston Churchill, or George Washington in place of these fictional characters, it becomes clear that anyone denying the existence of these figures has a burden of proof equal to, or in some cases greater than, the person claiming they do exist."

[Nbadan]

How did that "faith" work out for America when it voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004? Inquiring minds want to know since you decided to use America as an example of religion doing good things.

..Because religion has been misused for all of its existence...it doesn't make it inherently bad

[baseline bum]

Philosopher Paul Chamberlain says it is logically erroneous to assert that positive truth claims bear a burden of proof while negative truth claims do not.[11] He says that all truth claims bear a burden of proof, and that like Mother Goose and the tooth fairy, the teapot bears the greater burden not because of its negativity, but because of its triviality, arguing that "When we substitute normal, serious characters such as Plato, Nero, Winston Churchill, or George Washington in place of these fictional characters, it becomes clear that anyone denying the existence of these figures has a burden of proof equal to, or in some cases greater than, the person claiming they do exist."

So Spaghetti Monster is god. Prove me wrong.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

..Because religion has been misused for all of its existence...it doesn't make it inherently bad

So you're admitting it had catastrophic effects enabling someone who should have never been near the white house to become president, glad we agree there.

lol qualifying how religion is "used" and "misused"
lol :crybut it inspires stupid pathetic people who need a reason to live:cry

[Nbadan]

So Spaghetti Monster is god. Prove me wrong.

..it's proven wrong by its very trivialness.....Christianity, as well as other religions aren't so trivial....

[baseline bum]

..it's proven wrong by its very trivialness.....Christianity, as well as other religions aren't so trivial....

WTF is trivial about our lord and creator?

[Nbadan]

but it inspires stupid pathetic people who need a reason to live

...it also gives some people purpose and hope....and that is a benefit to society as a whole...

[Nbadan]

WTF is trivial about our lord and creator?

You got me there.......Love me some spaghetti monster....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

..it's proven wrong by its very trivialness.....Christianity, as well as other religions aren't so trivial....
So who's the authority on what's trivial and what's not trivial?

I also consider stories about a guy who lived in a whale, a guy who lived on an arc with two of every species, and a Jew carpenter who was sent down to earth because god needed him to die for our sins to be about as trivial as it gets.

If when you were young your parents told the story of Jonah and the Whale to you as a fairytale and the story of Jack and the beanstalk as gospel, you're kidding yourself if you think you would have known the difference. You'd be sitting here right now explaining to me that Jack and the Beanstalk isn't a trivial story and the burden of proof isn't on you to show it happened.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

...it also gives some people purpose and hope....and that is a benefit to society as a whole...

No it's not. People who need a mythical man in the sky for a purpose to live would be better off just dying off, not following a religion that tells them to pass their worthless genes down a generation. Southern baptist jeebotards are in no way a benefit to society.

[Nbadan]

I also consider stories about a guy who lived in a whale, a guy who lived on an arc with two of every species, and a Jew carpenter who was sent down to earth because god needed him to die for our sins to be about as trivial as it gets

Christianity has some bases on stories that have been passed around for centuries before Judaism came around...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Christianity has some bases on stories that have been passed around for centuries before Judaism came around...

Judaism was around before Christianity, what the fuck are you talking about?

I also fail to see how anything you just said addressed what does/doesn't make something trivial.

[Nbadan]

No it's not. People who need a mythical man in the sky for a purpose to live would be better off just dying off, not following a religion that tells them to pass their worthless genes down a generation. Southern baptist jeebotards are in no way a benefit to society.

Really sounds like you've been chapped by religion at some point in your life....we all go through phases....I can only hope that some day you find some Christ like peace in your life...

[Nbadan]

Judaism was around before Christianity, what the fuck are you talking about?

Many of the stories from Judaism and the original bible were adaptations from the Anaki and Sumerians...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Really sounds like you've been chapped by religion at some point in your life....we all go through phases....I can only hope that some day you find some Christ like peace in your life...
I'm about to start a career at a bank that's succeeded in stealing money from jeebotards like you for years by duping you into voting for Christians like Reagan and Bush. I've personally benefited from religion. I just live in a country that over the last 30 years has been systemically fucked by a strong presence of Christianity and religion.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Many of the stories from Judaism and the original bible were adaptations from the Anaki and Sumerians...

Neat. Still waiting to hear you address how some fuckstick living in a whale isn't a trivial story. Are you seriously trying to argue that if a belief has been around for a long time it doesn't need to be proven right? I guess that's why people believed the world was flat and that the Sun rotates around the Earth.

[baseline bum]

I'm about to start a career at a bank that's succeeded in stealing money from jeebotards like you for years by duping you into voting for Christians like Reagan and Bush. I've personally benefited from religion. I just live in a country that over the last 30 years has been systemically fucked by a strong presence of Christianity and religion.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/190036/vince-carter-olympic-dunk-o.gif

[Nbadan]

Are you seriously trying to argue that if a belief has been around for a long time it doesn't need to be proven right? I guess that's why people believed the world was flat and that the Sun rotates around the Earth.

Your confusing science with faith....one is existential the other theoretical...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Your confusing science with faith....one is existential the other theoretical...

One uses logic and the other doesn't. The definition of faith is believing in something when you don't have a sensible or logical reason to do so.

For instance, you and millions of other jeebotards had "faith" George Bush would be a great president. That worked out well.

[Nbadan]

For instance, you and millions of other jeebotards had "faith" George Bush would be a great president. That worked out well.

you don't know me very well....

:lol

[Nbadan]

One uses logic and the other doesn't

One is based on empirical proof and not the scientific method....kinda like the 911 Commission report...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

you don't know me very well....

:lol

What I do know is you're dancing around the reality neither Bush nor Reagan would have had a prayer (no pun intended) of getting elected in a secular country.

America being the only religious modern country in the world and also the only modern country in the world w/ the infrastructure of a 3rd world country, a tax system that favors the rich, a privatized healthcare system, a struggle for public education/science funding etc. isn't some magical coincidence. Religion holds societies back from progression.

[Nbadan]

America being the only religious modern country in the world

I guess that depends on what you consider 'modern'...I'm not so sure that we are meant to spend our lives rushing from place to place, appointment to commitment to responsibility...but that is the life some of us live day to day..

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I guess that depends on what you consider 'modern'...I'm not so sure that we are meant to spend our lives rushing from place to place, appointment to commitment to responsibility...but that is the life some of us live day to day..

way to dodge the point completely, again by going off on some pointless and sentimental tangent.

If you're trying to say America isn't a modern country that only proves my point even more since that would mean ALL modern countries are secular.

[Nbadan]

a tax system that favors the rich, a privatized healthcare system, etc. isn't some magical coincidence. Religion holds societies back from progression.

But the people have the power, the vote, to change Government....that is the ultimate irony in the melodrama that plays out in this forum everyday...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

But the people have the power, the vote, to change Government....that is the ultimate irony in the melodrama that plays out in this forum everyday...
My point exactly....the people have the power but they don't change anything because their pastor tells them to vote for the guy who's pro-life and hates teh gays more.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

And people don't even have the power anymore. The jeebotard baby boomers took the power out of the American people's hands by voting for Reagan and Bush who gave America to corporations and banks (yay for me, :lol for you).

[Nbadan]

If you're trying to say America isn't a modern country that only proves my point even more since that would mean ALL modern countries are secular.

Your getting into stuff that has been argued since the very creation of our nation....clearly, most of the fore fathers knew how religion could corrupt government, that's why they adopted the separation clause....but 80-90% of our 'modern society' believes in some supreme being and that belief influences legislation...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So now you're agreeing that modern societies shouldn't be religious.....?

I feel an "I was just trolling!" card being pulled shortly.

[Nbadan]

My point exactly....the people have the power but they don't change anything because their pastor tells them to vote for the guy who's pro-life and hates teh gays more.

My Pastor does not talk about politics..but people vote along with their ideological beliefs..the only thing that challenges those beliefs is education...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

My Pastor does not talk about politics..but people vote along with their ideological beliefs..the only thing that challenges those beliefs is education...

Which is why America's educational system is deteriorating.....Christians don't want people to get educated and learn evil things like the theory of evolution and math. The less experience people get thinking logically, the stronger religion is.

[Nbadan]

So now you're agreeing that modern societies shouldn't be religious.....?

I feel an "I was just trolling!" card being pulled shortly.

Whether I agree with this or not is immaterial, modern society is religious...and it does help to define peoples ideological, and consequently, political beliefs...

[Nbadan]

Which is why America's educational system is deteriorating.....Christians don't want people to get educated and learn evil things like the theory of evolution and math. The less experience people get thinking logically, the stronger religion is.

America's education system is deteriorating because its not a priority to a majority of Americans...yet.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Whether I agree with this or not is immaterial, modern society is religious...and it does help to define peoples ideological, and consequently, political beliefs...

:lol now you're just making shit up. Germany, Canada, Italy, Japan, France, Britain, Sweden, etc. are all secular countries. People in those countries aren't defined by the ideological beliefs and their faith in God. America is unique in that regard.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

America's education system is deteriorating because its not a priority to a majority of Americans...yet.

:lmao right, because a majority of Americans are religious and think stuff like evolution is straight from the pits of hell.

Education and religion are largely mutually exclusive. A religious population not prioritizing education isn't some weird coincidence like you're pretending it is.

[Nbadan]

now you're just making shit up. Germany, Canada, Italy, Japan, France, Britain, Sweden, etc. are all secular countries. People in those countries aren't defined by the ideological beliefs and their faith in God. America is unique in that regard.

I don't think that this is so cut and dry as you think it is...

[Nbadan]

:lmao right, because a majority of Americans are religious and think stuff like evolution is straight from the pits of hell.

Education and religion are largely mutually exclusive. A religious population not prioritizing education isn't some weird coincidence like you're pretending it is.

Now your just stereotyping....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I don't think that this is so cut and dry as you think it is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_country

Religious importance (%):
Sweden, 16%
Japan, 23.5%
United Kingdom, 26.5%
France, 29.5%
Australia 32%
Germany 40.5%
Canada 42%
United States 65%


The United States is the only modern country with a majority of religious people and it's nearly a 2/3 majority.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Now your just stereotyping....

I'm not stereotyping at all. Educated people are significantly less religious than uneducated people.

[Nbadan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_country

Religious importance (%):
Sweden, 16%
Japan, 23.5%
United Kingdom, 26.5%
France, 29.5%
Australia 32%
Germany 40.5%
Canada 42%
United States 65%


The United States is the only modern country with a majority of religious people and it's nearly a 2/3 majority.

Your confusing cause and effect...some of those countries have suppressed religion, others use religious philosophical beliefs to help guide their political and business decision making...

[Nbadan]

dp

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Your confusing cause and effect...some of those countries has suppressed religion, others use religious philosophical beliefs to help guide their political and business decision making...

:lmao that's total bullshit. Typical jeebotard, no matter what evidence is staring you in the face, you'll convince yourself it's actually supportive of religion.

What about countries like Niger that are dirt poor and 99% religious? Are they secretly using atheist beliefs in their political and business decision making :lol

[Clipper Nation]

I don't know if it's a ponzi scheme, I would like to believe that Heaven does exist...

And I'd like to believe that there's a money tree in my backyard that gives me unlimited amounts of cash, tbh... :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

And I'd like to believe that there's a money tree in my backyard that gives me unlimited amounts of cash, tbh... :lol

:madrun that's too trivial! You can only believe in fantasies that nbadan doesn't view as trivial :lol

[Clipper Nation]

:madrun that's too trivial! You can only believe in fantasies that nbadan doesn't view as trivial :lol

Yet his vague fantasies of the "real 9/11 story" are apparently non-trivial enough for him to constantly bring up on a daily basis :lol

[Nbadan]

What about countries like Niger that are dirt poor and 99% religious? Are they secretly using atheist beliefs in their political and business decision making

Are you blaming religion for corrupt leadership?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Are you blaming religion for corrupt leadership?

Corrupt leadership and religion are pretty intertwined, are they not?

[Nbadan]

And I'd like to believe that there's a money tree in my backyard that gives me unlimited amounts of cash, tbh... :lol

Olsteen would say that you can sit around and wish for a money tree or you can make it happen

:lol

[baseline bum]

And I'd like to believe that there's a money tree in my backyard that gives me unlimited amounts of cash, tbh... :lol

Damn son, I read that initially as a monkey tree; maybe something capable of growing a decent center for you guys.

[Nbadan]

Corrupt leadership and religion are pretty intertwined, are they not?

Sometimes, but not always...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Olsteen would say that you can sit around and wish for a money tree or you can make it happen

:lol

Why do you need to make it happen? Why can't god just give all of his flock a money tree?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Sometimes, but not always...

If sometimes means almost all the time sans a few exceptions, then sure, sometimes.

[baseline bum]

Why do you need to make it happen? Why can't god just give all of his flock a money tree?

Close enough with our Obama phones and shit tbh.

[Nbadan]

Why do you need to make it happen? Why can't god just give all of his flock a money tree?

God doesn't give everything everyone wants...it does not work that way...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

God doesn't give everything everyone wants...it does not work that way...

Why not?

[Nbadan]

If sometimes means almost all the time sans a few exceptions, then sure, sometimes.

Would you like me to start posting all the morally corrupt world leaders past and present who weren't particularly religious?

[Nbadan]

Why not?

...because then it wouldn't be faith...

[ElNono]

Why do you need to make it happen? Why can't god just give all of his flock a money tree?

psychotic god wants you to earn it...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Would you like me to start posting all the morally corrupt world leaders past and present who weren't particularly religious?

Post how religious their country's population was, don't go off on a tangent about the leader himself. My entire argument is about how religious countries are easily manipulated and brainwashed into accepted corrupt leadership. You won't find very many secular countries that were/are controlled by corrupt leaders.

[baseline bum]

psychotic god wants you to earn it...

Except for the financial sector; He apparently has a twisted sense of humor tbh.

[Nbadan]

You won't find very many secular countries that were/are controlled by corrupt leaders.

Really????????

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

...because then it wouldn't be faith...

Why can't god just show me he exists rather than force me to have faith? It'd be much easier if I knew I wasn't praying to someone who doesn't exist.

[Nbadan]

Except for the financial sector; He apparently has a twisted sense of humor tbh.

Not particularly religious IMO

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Really????????

A few exceptions. Have fun posting them thinking it proves your point.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Why doesn't god punish the financial sector for stealing so much money from his jeebotard flock?

[baseline bum]

LOL TOSB God getting nailed to the cross at 33. Dude is the McGrady of deities.

[Nbadan]

Why can't god just show me he exists rather than force me to have faith? It'd be much easier if I knew I wasn't praying to someone who doesn't exist.

He shows you he exists everyday if you have faith.....is he going to answer every prayer? No....but he's gonna be there to help you pick up the pieces...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

LOL TOSB God getting nailed to the cross at 33. Dude is the McGrady of deities.

Imagine a Christian God vs. Zeus fight? Zeus would beat dat ass to a pulp :lol

:lol the crucified cuckold

[Nbadan]

LOL TOSB God getting nailed to the cross at 33. Dude is the McGrady of deities.

Kinda make ya wonder if crucifying an old guy would have had the same effect

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

All it would take is god to heal ONE amputee and I'd be a believer. He's (allegedly) cured cancer and other diseases in people, but he's never grown someone's missing limb back. He must really hate amputees cause he'd have a lot more believers if he started healing them.

[baseline bum]

Imagine a Christian God vs. Zeus fight? Zeus would beat dat ass to a pulp :lol

:lol the crucified cuckold

I think you got your history wrong man. Joseph was the cuck and Christ the bastard child. Surely Joseph should have put the pieces together when Jesus came out black.

LOL Joseph's woman getting plowed by Jamal and LeRoy
LOL a religion founded on cuckoldry
LOL being worshipped as a saint all for being an adulterous cun.t

[Big Empty]

Why can't god just show me he exists rather than force me to have faith? It'd be much easier if I knew I wasn't praying to someone who doesn't exist.
Its kinda like asking ur professor hey, why cant u just show me the answers to the test? Life is a test. :) but this is coming from someone who believes jesus was an alien lol. I just refuse to believe we came from bacteria from some big bang, besides, did anyone even know what a billion or even a million was when the bible was put together?

[Nbadan]

He must really hate amputees cause he'd have a lot more believers if he started healing them.

You crack me up....not particularly religious, but with stem cells perhaps someday we will be able to harvest lost limbs and organs..then will you believe in God?

:lol

[ElNono]

but this is coming from someone who believes jesus was an alien lol.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1998/ancientaliensguy.jpg

[baseline bum]

but this is coming from someone who believes jesus was an alien lol.

Wild Cobra's just going to shoot him at the border when he comes back then tbh

[Big Empty]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1998/ancientaliensguy.jpg lmao yea i like an occasional hydrochronic nugget so what

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Its kinda like asking ur professor hey, why cant u just show me the answers to the test? Life is a test. :)
The professor answers to someone higher up and is paid to administer tests. God is an almighty being capable of giving everyone utopia, yet he decides to make life a test? That's kinda fucked up.


but this is coming from someone who believes jesus was an alien lol.
I believe he was just a regular person. Far fetched, I know.


I just refuse to believe we came from bacteria from some big bang
Yeah me too. It's not like that theory is backed by mounds of scientific evidence or anything.


did anyone even know what a billion or even a million was when the bible was put together?
Why do people always make excuses for those who write the bible? They supposedly knew everything about where humans came from, but they don't know the basic numbering system?

[Nbadan]

Wild Cobra's just going to shoot him at the border when he comes back then tbh

Jesus was like the Cesar Chavez of illegal immigrants...he didn't just travel from place to place.... he started movements...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You crack me up....not particularly religious, but with stem cells perhaps someday we will be able to harvest lost limbs and organs..then will you believe in God?

:lol
That would only further my disbelief in god because the god you and George Bush believe in is against stem cell research. If not for Bush and the jeebotards who supported him we'd be 8 years closer to using stem cells for amputee healing.

Way to bring up another way religion has fucked society.

[baseline bum]

Jesus was like the Cesar Chavez of illegal immigrants...he didn't just travel from place to place.... he started movements...

Like the Tea Party. Thanks dickhead Christ

[Nbadan]

the god you and George Bush believe in

Seriously, you have to quit associating me with Dubya, I just threw up in my own mouth...

[Big Empty]

Why do people always make excuses for those who write the bible? They supposedly knew everything about where humans came from, but they don't know the basic numbering system?
Athoest are a great deal more intelligent than bilble belt beaters. Right? Can u imagine how stupid religous people were 2000 years ago?

[baseline bum]

Seriously, you have to quit associating me with Dubya, I just threw up in my own mouth...

Why? That nigga talked to Bush all the time.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Seriously, you have to quit associating me with Dubya, I just threw up in my own mouth...

You both believe in the same Christian god who's against stem cell research. Don't shoot the messenger.

[Nbadan]

Like the Tea Party. Thanks dickhead Christ

The tea potty is gonna come back and haunt the GOP...just wait till 2014 and 2016 when they get waxed by the Dems

[Nbadan]

You both believe in the same Christian god who's against stem cell research. Don't shoot the messenger.

I think the Vatican came out against stem cell research, but God himself, hasn't released a presser as far as I know...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Athoest are a great deal more intelligent than bilble belt beaters. Right? Can u imagine how stupid religous people were 2000 years ago?
Less stupid than they are now. They didn't have mounds of scientific evidence against their religion to ignore back then. The religion was what they resorted to for lack of a better explanation.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I think the Vatican came out against stem cell research, but God himself, hasn't released a presser as far as I know...

But the Vatican talks to god!

[baseline bum]

The tea potty is gonna come back and haunt the GOP...just wait till 2014 and 2016 when they get waxed by the Dems

LOL Jesus just being a dick to his most loyal fans; GOAT troll tbh.

[Nbadan]

Why? That nigga talked to Bush all the time.

Only is Dubya's mind....unless, your talking about how politicians abuse religion to justify their actions...then touche'

[Nbadan]

But the Vatican talks to god!

Most religious people don't give a shit about the Vatican....that is why they have premarital sex and support abortion...

[Big Empty]

Im just too gah damn handsome to have evolved from a monkey. Its the only thing Rush Limbaugh n i agree on

[Woo Bum-kon]

Nbadan, why did God let Bush murder 3000 American citizens on 9/11? You think that Bush did 9/11 and God didn't do shit about it.

[baseline bum]

Nbadan, why did God let Bush murder 3000 American citizens on 9/11? You think that Bush did 9/11 and God didn't do shit about it.

You're mistaken; the two had daily communications and God told Bush to do it.

[Blake]

Agreed, tbh. Same with Hagee and all the other mega-Church ministers. You get to take 10% of their income while promising them something (heaven) that doesn't exist. It's the most brilliant ponzi scheme of all time :lol

:lol never thought of it as a ponzi, but i guess it fits

[Blake]

psychotic god wants you to earn it...

And then give it to him

[Blake]

Wild Cobra's just going to shoot him at the border when he comes back then tbh

:lol

[Blake]

Would you like me to start posting all the morally corrupt world leaders past and present who weren't particularly religious?

Yes

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol never thought of it as a ponzi, but i guess it fits

Tbh even the best ponzi schemers of all time never thought of promising return on investment to someone after they died so no one is ever able to prove whether or not those returns actually exist. Madoff should have just been a mega-church minister rather than a traditional ponzi schemer :lol

[Blake]

:lol I guess the hardest part of being a rich preacher is not being able to blow that money on a week long Vegas excursion.

[clambake]

being able to sell an invisible product is gold, tbh.

[Blake]

I think you got your history wrong man. Joseph was the cuck and Christ the bastard child. Surely Joseph should have put the pieces together when Jesus came out black.

LOL Joseph's woman getting plowed by Jamal and LeRoy
LOL a religion founded on cuckoldry
LOL being worshipped as a saint all for being an adulterous cun.t

BB taking the carpenter to the ol woodshed

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

being able to sell an invisible product is gold, tbh.

:lol invisible snake oil

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol I guess the hardest part of being a rich preacher is not being able to blow that money on a week long Vegas excursion.

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[RandomGuy]

I don't think he's jesus. Almost certain of that.

Maybe the real question should be "what does he do with the money?" or "what business is it of mine" or even "I'm such a hypocrite to have a job; then use the money I make to try and better myself and loved ones but look down on others for doing the same thing". "Why should I contend that a religious figure of a religion who I don't even believe in makes more money than myself".

Religion and faith is, by definition, believing in something without evidence.

Once you start doing that, you open your mind's door for believing in all sorts of stupid shit, because it is emotionally appealing, just like belief in some unseen magic man who will make everything all better.

Even ministers who aren't deliberately fleecing their flock of willing sheep, will start rationalizing their lifestyle. "it is all part of God's plan that I have all this stuff". Again, creeping corruption of the mind, all made possible by faith.

[RandomGuy]

Tbh even the best ponzi schemers of all time never thought of promising return on investment to someone after they died so no one is ever able to prove whether or not those returns actually exist. Madoff should have just been a mega-church minister rather than a traditional ponzi schemer :lol

Eyup.

If I had no sense of ethics, I would go into ministering to the faithful. Empty feel-good platitudes, manufactured outside threats. "Satan is out to get you, booga booga booga!!!"

The best part is you never have to prove anything, and the intellectual failsafes are built into it.

Negative consequences for not buying into the cult, constant, positive reinforcment for the cult members, etc.

I would make out like a bandit, and laugh at the gullible all the way to the bank.

[Wild Cobra]

God, I hate the faggots like DoK who put multiple pictures of their wannabe boyfriend up.

[Eli Sunday]

Let's see any of you become successful in a business that doesn't actually provide any tangible services. None of you Philistines could possibly comprehend the amount of skill it takes to look an old woman straight in the eye and lie about curing her arthritis or back pains.

Don't feel bad, because not everybody can be an Eli Sunday or a Mother Teresa.

[Rick Santorum]

Let's see any of you become successful in a business that doesn't actually provide any tangible services. None of you Philistines could possibly comprehend the amount of skill it takes to look an old woman straight in the eye and lie about curing her arthritis or back pains.

Don't feel bad, because not everybody can be an Eli Sunday or a Mother Teresa.
What's up Eli? Are you gonna do the sermon at baby Gabriel's funeral?

[rjv]

Let's see any of you become successful in a business that doesn't actually provide any tangible services. None of you Philistines could possibly comprehend the amount of skill it takes to look an old woman straight in the eye and lie about curing her arthritis or back pains.

Don't feel bad, because not everybody can be an Eli Sunday or a Mother Teresa.

there's bound to be a few chiropractors in this forum

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The tin foil hat political posters are big chiropractor fans for some reason :lol, I remember seeing several SA210 posts where he preached about how important regular chiropractic work was.

[Woo Bum-kon]

He's one of those morons who trust herbal supplements over actual, trial-tested medicine, because BIGPHARMA DOESN'T WANT US TO KNOW THE TRUTH!!!

[baseline bum]

God, I hate the faggots like DoK who put multiple pictures of their wannabe boyfriend up.

See DOK, not all of WC's non-blue posts are funny.

[baseline bum]

The tin foil hat political posters are big chiropractor fans for some reason :lol, I remember seeing several SA210 posts where he preached about how important regular chiropractic work was.

:rollin SRS? :rollin

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:rollin SRS? :rollin
:lol I found it pretty weird and random at the time. I also found it ironic cause chiropractors run a much bigger scam than big pharma does :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Hey baseline bum do you wanna take the test I have on eigenvalues and eigenvectors tomorrow :lol, unless I get some high quality studying in I'm pretty much f:lolcked

[baseline bum]

Hey baseline bum do you wanna take the test I have on eigenvalues and eigenvectors tomorrow :lol, unless I get some high quality studying in I'm pretty much f:lolcked

Can't help you man, since I don't think a jap could pass for a jew tbh. Maybe drop a Benjamin to Black Jesus and see if your prayer is answered.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Can't help you man, since I don't think a jap could pass for a jew tbh. Maybe drop a Benjamin to Black Jesus and see if your prayer is answered.
Since I haven't had any income this year I've given more than ten percent of my income to The Lord :lol, he better show me that it was worth it tomorrow

[Drachen]

Why? That nigga talked to Bush all the time.

Hell, bush was even given the power to look at the souls of other people, just by looking them in the eye!

[Drachen]

:lol I guess the hardest part of being a rich preacher is not being able to blow that money on a week long Vegas excursion.

That is why other countries exist.

[Clipper Nation]

...because then it wouldn't be faith...
There's no point in faith if you don't even expect the shit you wish for to happen, dumbass :lol

[Drachen]

He's one of those morons who trust herbal supplements over actual, trial-tested medicine, because BIGPHARMA DOESN'T WANT US TO KNOW THE TRUTH!!!

My boss is taking some medication for some health issue and is prepping for surgery. My coworker asked her if that medication was FDA approved and my boss says "yeah". My coworker looks at her and says that she should take herbal supplement XYZ instead because the FDA is a conspiracy and their sole purpose is to kill you.

This was probably closer to the sanest thing she has said than it is to the most insane thing she has said.

If y'all ever see me say something mindblowingly dumb (like you might see from SA210 or galileo) I am probably just quoting my coworker (like in the NBA forum thread about JayZ selling his .000000000000001 percent of the nets where I posted that he is illuminati)

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

My boss is taking some medication for some health issue and is prepping for surgery. My coworker asked her if that medication was FDA approved and my boss says "yeah". My coworker looks at her and says that she should take herbal supplement XYZ instead because the FDA is a conspiracy and their sole purpose is to kill you.

This was probably closer to the sanest thing she has said than it is to the most insane thing she has said.

If y'all ever see me say something mindblowingly dumb (like you might see from SA210 or galileo) I am probably just quoting my coworker (like in the NBA forum thread about JayZ selling his .000000000000001 percent of the nets where I posted that he is illuminati)
yeah saying SA210 type shit on a message board is one thing but I didn't think people actually went to work and said that stuff to their boss. :lol wow

[Drachen]

yeah saying SA210 type shit on a message board is one thing but I didn't think people actually went to work and said that stuff to their boss. :lol wow

Man, I just need to write a book. I have said this before on this site, this idiot's husband actually convinced her that a girl tripped and her mouth fell on his dick. Yeah, she talked about this at work too.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Man, I just need to write a book. I have said this before on this site, this idiot's husband actually convinced her that a girl tripped and her mouth fell on his dick. Yeah, she talked about this at work too.
:lmao now I remember that. Do other people at work realiZe how weird she is :lol

[Drachen]

:lmao now I remember that. Do other people at work realiZe how weird she is :lol

everyone outside of her airheaded friends. TBH, she doesn't bring this stuff up to everyone. I unfortunately work close enough to her that she talks to me. I am really bad with facial expressions betraying my true feelings so I can't believe she still talks to me with all the WTF faces I make every time she opens her mouth.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

everyone outside of her airheaded friends. TBH, she doesn't bring this stuff up to everyone. I unfortunately work close enough to her that she talks to me. I am really bad with facial expressions betraying my true feelings so I can't believe she still talks to me with all the WTF faces I make every time she opens her mouth.
I still say the worst possible female coworker is the one who brings a huge fuckin photo album to work after every family trip she makes then she shows the photo album to you as if you give a shit when you don't. What the hell makes so many women think their coworkers give a shit about their stupid kids?

[Blake]

I still say the worst possible female coworker is the one who brings a huge fuckin photo album to work after every family trip she makes then she shows the photo album to you as if you give a shit when you don't. What the hell makes so many women think their coworkers give a shit about their stupid kids?

She's also the one that picked Wichita State to be in the Final Four

[spursncowboys]

Religion and faith is, by definition, believing in something without evidence.

Once you start doing that, you open your mind's door for believing in all sorts of stupid shit, because it is emotionally appealing, just like belief in some unseen magic man who will make everything all better.

Even ministers who aren't deliberately fleecing their flock of willing sheep, will start rationalizing their lifestyle. "it is all part of God's plan that I have all this stuff". Again, creeping corruption of the mind, all made possible by faith.
Wow. So pretentious. That you are so enlightened because you don't believe in a god. Keep up with the made up "religious" people and ministers who you assume their cognative thoughts.

[baseline bum]

Man, I just need to write a book. I have said this before on this site, this idiot's husband actually convinced her that a girl tripped and her mouth fell on his dick. Yeah, she talked about this at work too.

LOL WTF? You got a link to that story?

[Woo Bum-kon]

Wow. So pretentious. That you are so enlightened because you don't believe in a god. Keep up with the made up "religious" people and ministers who you assume their cognative thoughts.

One doesn't have to be enlightened to know that believing something for no good reason, is a terrible idea.

[rjv]

i feel like i'm at a logical positivists' convention

[Woo Bum-kon]

.....but Karma is real.

:lmao Good one.

[Nbadan]

Religion and faith is, by definition, believing in something without evidence.

Once you start doing that, you open your mind's door for believing in all sorts of stupid shit, because it is emotionally appealing, just like belief in some unseen magic man who will make everything all better.

Emotional appealing?


An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed

Emotional? But logical?


"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual."

Carl Sagan on the existence of God

[baseline bum]

:rollin

RRdAe3UAIVs

This fucking country :lmao

[Blake]

:lol hilarious but still pretty predictable.

I'd rather ask them if they think mall shopping should be taught.......catch one of them thinking hard about it

[RandomGuy]

yeah saying SA210 type shit on a message board is one thing but I didn't think people actually went to work and said that stuff to their boss. :lol wow

If anybody that worked fro me ever expressed views like that I would look to replace them ASAFP.

You can't believe that kind of stupid shit and not be seriously deficient in other areas of cognitive functioning. I would take it as enough proof that they were not capable of reasoning their way out of a paper bag, and that kind of stupidty will bit you in the ass eventually.

[RandomGuy]

:rollin

RRdAe3UAIVs

This fucking country :lmao

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wow. So pretentious. That you are so enlightened because you don't believe in a god. Keep up with the made up "religious" people and ministers who you assume their cognative thoughts.

Pretentious or no, faith is precisely belief without proof. That is why there are frequent 'tests of faith.' There is no objective reason to believe in dictates or promises from 'God.' Nor is there a logical proof of God. There are logical proofs that at least some of the major religions are wrong. There cannot be multiple monotheistic Gods.

And enlightenment is the opposite of what is being gotten at. Enlightened assumes 'being shown the light' which is precisely the light and dark imagery that is common in most mystic nonsense ie most every religion. It's about knowledge and seeing for yourself; not believing something because you have been told and you want to believe it.

[spursncowboys]

Pretentious or no, faith is precisely belief without proof. That is why there are frequent 'tests of faith.' There is no objective reason to believe in dictates or promises from 'God.' Nor is there a logical proof of God. There are logical proofs that at least some of the major religions are wrong. There cannot be multiple monotheistic Gods.

And enlightenment is the opposite of what is being gotten at. Enlightened assumes 'being shown the light' which is precisely the light and dark imagery that is common in most mystic nonsense ie most every religion. It's about knowledge and seeing for yourself; not believing something because you have been told and you want to believe it.

Wow...
I think you should focus less on generalizing and get out. Get to know people before you put them in your boxes.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wow...
I think you should focus less on generalizing and get out. Get to know people before you put them in your boxes.

generalizing Christianity as mutually exclusive with the others or the definition of faith?

I am not criticizing a person. I am criticizing a methodology.