Texas to ban assault knives

[TSA]

True story.

[TSA]

Edit: meant the UK

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-22033181

A month-long amnesty has resulted in more than 300 knives being handed in to police in Southampton.

People were able to dispose of knives, bladed items and illegal weapons in designated amnesty bins throughout March, without fear of prosecution.

Ch Insp Kelly Whiting said: "We're hoping people who have handed in knives no longer want to be involved in that level of violence."

The amnesty came after six stabbings in the city in the past two years.

The first such amnesty in the city for six years brought in blades including small kitchen knives, machetes and ornamental swords.

Jen Singleton, whose son Lewis was stabbed to death in Woolston in March 2007, called it "worthwhile".

"Even if it's only keeping one knife out of the wrong hands on the streets, it's successful," she said.

Ch Insp Whiting said: "If you know someone who habitually carries a knife, call us and we will ensure it is removed from the streets."

[Blake]

Basic laws on knives

It is illegal to:
sell a knife of any kind (including cutlery and kitchen knives) to anyone under 18

carry a knife in public without good reason - unless it’s a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less, eg a Swiss Army knife

carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife (the list of banned knives is below)

use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife)

https://www.gov.uk/find-out-if-i-can-buy-or-carry-a-knife

[Blake]

Knives that are illegal

There is a complete ban on the sale of some knives:flick knives (also called ‘switchblades’ or ‘automatic knives’) - where the blade is hidden inside the handle and shoots out when a button is pressedbutterfly knives - where the blade is hidden inside a handle that splits in two around it, like wings; the handles swing around the blade to open or close itdisguised knives – eg where the blade is hidden inside a belt buckle or fake mobile phonegravity knivessword-stickssamurai swords (with some exceptions, including antiques and swords made to traditional methods before 1954)hand or foot-clawspush daggershollow kubotan (cylinder-shaped keychain) holding spikesshuriken (also known as ‘death stars’ or ‘throwing stars’)kusari-gama (sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire)kyoketsu-shoge (hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire)kusari (weight attached to a rope, cord or wire)This is not a complete list of banned knives.*Contact your local policeto check if a knife is illegal or not.

What's bad about this?

[Bender]

coming up next.... pointy sticks

[Blake]

coming up next.... pointy sticks

Assault mini vans, tbh

[DMX7]

Brass knuckles are illegal in the state of Texas which makes no sense.

[Blake]

Brass knuckles are illegal in the state of Texas which makes no sense.

Yeah, I don't get that.

Switchblade knives are in that same class A misdemeanor category

[Heath Ledger]

Spring Assisted Knives are legal in Texas and are basically the same shit. Plenty on my site.... tbh

[Heath Ledger]

Lawmakers Considering legalizing switchblade knives.
http://www.burlesonstar.net/texasnews/ci_22990315

By MICHAEL BRICK, Associated Press
Posted: 04/09/2013 09:27:11 PM CDT

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) Taking up a cause dear to hunters and hikers, a Texas lawmaker argued the case for legalizing switchblades on Tuesday, noting that the small knives are currently listed alongside machine guns, explosives and chemical weapons on a list of prohibited arms.
Many states adopted similar bans in the 1950s, when the Broadway play "West Side Story" and Hollywood films such as "Rebel Without a Cause" depicted young men fighting with the knives that open at the press of a button. But many states have overturned those bans in recent years.
"It doesn't make sense to me," Rep. Harold Dutton, a Houston Democrat, told the House Committee on Criminal Jurisprudence. He urged the panel to approve his bill, which would strike switchblades from the state's list of prohibited weapons.
Switchblades are now legal in 30 states, according to a count by Knife Rights. The national group has successfully campaigned to overturn some of the bans, and the National Rifle Association has embraced the cause.
In addressing the committee, Dutton kept to the topic. But he has said he plans to use the bill to open a gun control debate on the floor of the House.
Documents prepared by his office note that "while the switchblade knife is listed on Texas' prohibited weapons list, assault rifles are not on the list."
As Tuesday's hearing began, news accounts emerged describing a mass stabbing on a college campus on the outskirts of Dutton's hometown. The kind of weapon involved remained unclear late Tuesday, though at least 14 people were wounded before the student suspect was taken into custody.
Still, Dutton pushed for his bill, describing how he once accompanied a legal client to a pawn shop to lend his credibility to the cashing of a check. At the shop, he noticed a collection of switchblades, which he believed to be illegal. Not so, the shopkeeper told him, because the knives in question qualified as antiques.
"I thought, 'What?'" Dutton recalled. He also said he could find no instances of prosecutions under the ban.
Rep. Matt Schaefer, a Tyler Republican who also works as a lawyer, said he once represented a client who pleaded guilty to illegal possession of a switchblade, adding quickly that the experience left him disposed to support the legalization bill.
"You can stab someone as quickly with a kitchen knife as you can with a switchblade," Schaefer said.
The only witness to testify on the bill, Knife Rights representative Todd Rathner, brought some knives to demonstrate. He reached into his pants pocket and pulled out a legal pocketknife with a thumb stud protruding from the blade. Unlike switchblades, pocketknives don't have a spring-loaded button that enables them to open with the click of a button but Rathner opened it with a snap of his wrist.
"I can open it that quickly," he said.
The Arizona resident then pulled out a black-handled switchblade with a 4 ½-inch blade that he had dulled with a grinder so he could bring it into Texas. "All it does," he said as he demonstrated the automation, "is allow you to open it with one hand."
After the hearing, when reminded of Dutton's political record which includes an F-rating from the NRA Rathner said: "The truth of the matter is he's right, in that if you can walk into a gun store and buy a gun, why can't you walk into a store and buy a switchblade?"
But, he added, Dutton "may be making the point from a different angle."

[Latarian Milton]

we should all revert to a stone-age life style tbh, there're too many dangers in the modern world

[The Reckoning]

butterfly knives are fun

[DMX7]

Let's legalize more kinds of knives on a day that a Houston Community College guy goes on a stabbing rampage. That makes sense.

[CosmicCowboy]

Too bad there wasn't someone there with a bigger knife.

http://muaythaiholiday.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/wpid-1358431815290.jpg

[Winehole23]

Let's legalize more kinds of knives on a day that a Houston Community College guy goes on a stabbing rampage. That makes sense.optics are bad politically, but in principle what would be wrong with that?

[Blake]

optics are bad politically, but in principle what would be wrong with that?

As long as the appropriate research has been done, technically nothing is wrong.

Sensitively speaking, it's just wrong.

[CosmicCowboy]

One honest citizen with a concealed carry could have stopped that shit at the first cutting.

[Blake]

One honest citizen with a concealed carry could have stopped that shit at the first cutting.

honest citizen could honestly miss the target

[CosmicCowboy]

Again, Blake proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is a fucking idiot.

[boutons_deux]

One honest citizen with a concealed carry could have stopped that shit at the first cutting.

if you and the NRA got concealed firearms into 1000s colleges campuses in college kids hands, how many college kids would be accidentally killed or murdered by other armed college kids, drunk, drugged or just pissed off?

[Blake]

Again, Blake proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is a fucking idiot.

i think my point is legitimate. I think your ass is red per the usual.

[CosmicCowboy]

if you and the NRA got concealed firearms into 1000s colleges campuses in college kids hands, how many college kids would be accidentally killed or murdered by other armed college kids, drunk, drugged or just pissed off?

probably none.

[CosmicCowboy]

i think my point is legitimate. I think your ass is red per the usual.


Again, Blake proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is a fucking idiot.

[Blake]

Again, Blake proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is a fucking idiot.

because your red ass says so?

[CosmicCowboy]

Shots wouldn't even be required after the whacko realized he brought a knife to a gunfight. Again proving what a stupid fuck you are.

[clambake]

how do you say "i have a gun" in sign language?

[TeyshaBlue]

how do you say "i have a gun" in sign language?

Duh.

http://blog.sfgate.com/sfmoms/files/2013/01/kids-gun-play.jpg

[Blake]

Shots wouldn't even be required after the whacko realized he brought a knife to a gunfight. Again proving what a stupid fuck you are.

You're assuming a "whacko" is thinking rationally.

You don't think very far ahead, do you.

[CosmicCowboy]

You're assuming a "whacko" is thinking rationally.

You don't think very far ahead, do you.

True. He could be like you, a fucking idiot. In that case I'm all for shooting his ass.

[clambake]

Duh.

http://blog.sfgate.com/sfmoms/files/2013/01/kids-gun-play.jpg

pretty sure that only works in lubbock.

[Blake]

True. He could be like you, a fucking idiot. In that case I'm all for shooting his ass.

backhanded back-pedaling

more proof your ass is bright red

[Blake]

pretty sure that only works in lubbock.

not as threatening as an upside down Longhorn sign according to Mack Brown

[CosmicCowboy]

backhanded back-pedaling

more proof your ass is bright red

:lol

fucking moron

[Blake]

:lol

fucking moron

You changed your tune and agree with me so there's no reason to call me a moron.

You've proven yourself red assed. Again.

[CosmicCowboy]

I didn't agree with you moron.

[Blake]

I didn't agree with you moron.

True. You simply back-pedaled and are now ok with an honest citizen taking shots at the whacko......where he/she/you might honestly miss the target, hitting an innocent bystander.

[CosmicCowboy]

True. You simply back-pedaled and are now ok with an honest citizen taking shots at the whacko......where he/she/you might honestly miss the target, hitting an innocent bystander.

Even an anti-gun faggot like you could probably hit a knife wielding assailant at point blank range.

[CavsSuperFan]

Back to the topic….

There is no reason for anyone other than Government to own a knife or a fork for that matter…
Take Japan for instance…They get along just fine with chop sticks…

[Oh, Gee!!]

some knives and some guns are illegal in TX. big whoop

[TSA]

Even an anti-gun faggot like you could probably hit a knife wielding assailant at point blank range.
Truth bomb. It's not like you'd be taking a shot from fifty yards. You'd be ten feet away and he'd simply drop his knife and surrender or you'd be choosing which ribs you'd like to shoot between. Blake's only way to spin this is to now claim handguns aren't accurate from ten feet.

[CosmicCowboy]

My 86 year old mothers target at 25 feet:

http://imageshack.us/a/img89/9619/chlweekend005.jpg

[Blake]

Even an anti-gun faggot like you could probably hit a knife wielding assailant at point blank range.


Truth bomb. It's not like you'd be taking a shot from fifty yards. You'd be ten feet away and he'd simply drop his knife and surrender or you'd be choosing which ribs you'd like to shoot between. Blake's only way to spin this is to now claim handguns aren't accurate from ten feet.

lol why would you automatically be 10 feet away or less? Is 11 feet away really not possible?

Literally loling

[Blake]

My 86 year old mothers target at 25 feet:

http://imageshack.us/a/img89/9619/chlweekend005.jpg

you didn't see the bullet hole on the far left, did you.

the goods. :lol

[TSA]

lol why would you automatically be 10 feet away or less? Is 11 feet away really not possible?

Literally loling
Holy shit you are fucking stupid. The point is you could get close enough to a person wielding a knife to shoot them without getting stabbed and have no worries about missing and hitting a bystander. You made an idiotic comment about bystanders, move on and save some face.

[leemajors]

Holy shit you are fucking stupid. The point is you could get close enough to a person wielding a knife to shoot them without getting stabbed and have no worries about missing and hitting a bystander. You made an idiotic comment about bystanders, move on and save some face.

You could, but it's far, far from a given just because you have a CHL.

[Oh, Gee!!]

a body should at all times be holding a loaded gun with a finger on the trigger and the safety off and pointed at everyone he sees all day just to be safe

[CosmicCowboy]

you didn't see the bullet hole on the far left, did you.

the goods. :lol

Of course I did. That one wasn't hers. It was a flyer from the target next to hers from shooting offhand at 50 yards.

[CosmicCowboy]

a body should at all times be holding a loaded gun with a finger on the trigger and the safety off and pointed at everyone he sees all day just to be safe

a body should just not post if they are gonna post stupid shit like that.

[TSA]

You could, but it's far, far from a given just because you have a CHL.
If bystanders are an issue, keep your target in your sights, don't shoot until it is safe.

[Blake]

Holy shit you are fucking stupid. The point is you could get close enough to a person wielding a knife to shoot them without getting stabbed and have no worries about missing and hitting a bystander. You made an idiotic comment about bystanders, move on and save some face.

There's no way I'm letting this go. I love it when someone like you talks in absolute terms.

If you need a link to a story where bystanders got shot by CHL heroes, let me know.

Of course, it would have saved you some face had you googled it already.

Lmao.

[clambake]

actually, a guy with a knife would be right on their victim. very likely for someone else to be hit by a round.

[Blake]

If bystanders are an issue, keep your target in your sights, don't shoot until it is safe.

A dude is trying to stab people with a knife. You're not seeing the picture of what's going on here, are you.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'll see your "innocent bystander shot by CHL holder" article and raise you with 500 articles of "innocent person shot by bad guy" and 50 articles of citizens with guns defending themselves from criminals.

[Blake]

Of course I did. That one wasn't hers. It was a flyer from the target next to hers from shooting offhand at 50 yards.

:rolleyes

[CosmicCowboy]

A dude is trying to stab people with a knife. You're not seeing the picture of what's going on here, are you.

My odds are on the guy with the gun.

[Blake]

I'll see your "innocent bystander shot by CHL holder" article and raise you with 500 articles of "innocent person shot by bad guy" and 50 articles of citizens with guns defending themselves from criminals.

it pretty much takes just one innocent bystander shot story to negate 1000 civilian hero shoots bad guy stories.

[Blake]

My odds are on the guy with the gun.

This is the point:


actually, a guy with a knife would be right on their victim. very likely for someone else to be hit by a round.

[CosmicCowboy]

This is the point:

Weak shit point. The guy with the gun could be right on the guy with the knife too. Anyone that misses from 4' away is an even bigger faggot than you are.

[clambake]

the round could go right through. the weak shit point is you not even considering that.

you are absolutely reaching bouton's butthurt.

[CosmicCowboy]

it pretty much takes just one innocent bystander shot story to negate 1000 civilian hero shoots bad guy stories.

Typical bleeding heart gun fearing faggot. Guess you want to ban cars too because people get killed in accidents?

[Blake]

Weak shit point. The guy with the gun could be right on the guy with the knife too. Anyone that misses from 4' away is an even bigger faggot than you are.

smh @ could be

lol @ red ass

[CosmicCowboy]

the round could go right through. the weak shit point is you not even considering that.

you are absolutely reaching bouton's butthurt.

No butthurt at all. You don't shoot without a CLEAR target. That's simple gun handling 101.

[CosmicCowboy]

the round could go right through. the weak shit point is you not even considering that.

you are absolutely reaching bouton's butthurt.

No butthurt at all. You don't shoot without a CLEAR target. That's simple gun handling 101.

[Blake]

Typical bleeding heart gun fearing faggot. Guess you want to ban cars too because people get killed in accidents?

the ol "might as well ban cars too!" slippery slope. Awesome.

This has been a good thread for you, red ass. :tu

[Blake]

No butthurt at all. You don't shoot without a CLEAR target. That's simple gun handling 101.

So the gun in this case is pointless. Neat.

[CosmicCowboy]

the ol "might as well ban cars too!" slippery slope. Awesome.

This has been a good thread for you, red ass. :tu

Let me break it to you faggot. No matter how much you whine, bitch, and rant in anonymous message boards they aren't banning guns and nobody gives a fuck what sissy boys like you think.

[Blake]

Let me break it to you faggot. No matter how much you whine, bitch, and rant in anonymous message boards they aren't banning guns and nobody gives a fuck what sissy boys like you think.

lol red ass meltdown. Feel free to point out where I whined that guns should be banned.

In before "I've got to go to the ranch so I can't keep telling you how much I don't care what you say, faggot."

[CosmicCowboy]

It's bad enough reading your current drivel... I'm sure not going back to look for all your sissy boy anti-gun posts.

[TSA]

There's no way I'm letting this go. I love it when someone like you talks in absolute terms.

If you need a link to a story where bystanders got shot by CHL heroes, let me know.

Of course, it would have saved you some face had you googled it already.

Lmao.
Those CHL heroes have a better hit rate and less bystander casualties then LEO's.

[TSA]

actually, a guy with a knife would be right on their victim. very likely for someone else to be hit by a round.
So did all 14 victims just form a circle around the attacker waiting to be stabbed or were they spread out? The attacker had to have moved from victim to victim, at some point a clear shot could have been taken one would guess.

[clambake]

pretty sure most of them were moving. the outcome could have been really bad for a shooter.

[boutons_deux]

probably none.

says NRA bubble boy :lol

[Wild Cobra]

pretty sure that only works in lubbock.
I was thinking only against TB...

[Wild Cobra]

you didn't see the bullet hole on the far left, did you.

the goods. :lol
That's why you fire till your target is down.

[Blake]

It's bad enough reading your current drivel... I'm sure not going back to look for all your sissy boy anti-gun posts.

It's easier for your red ass to make shit up and then run.

These are things that are proven.

lol granny's target

[Blake]

That's why you fire till your target is down.

Wild Cobra School of Shooting

[TSA]

There's no way I'm letting this go.

Those CHL heroes have a better hit rate and less bystander casualties then LEO's.
You sure let that go quickly :lol

[boutons_deux]

the carnage continues!! NRA and GUN FELLATORS FOREVER, MOVING AMERICAN CIVILIZATION FORWARD! :lol

At Least 4 People Shot by Toddlers Since Last Weekend

A Tennessee woman was shot in the stomach by her 2-year-old child (http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Woman-Reportedly-Shot-by-her-2-Year-Old--202025261.html) on Sunday. Rekia Kid was sleeping with the toddler and her three-week-old baby when the toddler discovered a Glock 9 mm stored underneath her pillow and discharged the weapon. Kid managed to get out of the house and crawl to a neighbor’s porch where she was found by the neighbor, who told local news “[s]he just kept screaming that she didn’t think she was going to make it, she didn’t think she was going to make it and to please please take care of my children.”




Josephine G. Fanning was shot and killed Saturday at a Tennessee barbecue when a 4-year-old (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/09/child-shooting-deputy-wife/2066289/) boy discharged a handgun owned by Fanning’s husband, Sheriff’s Deputy Daniel Fanning. Fanning had left the loaded gun “for just a moment” on the bed while he went to retrieve another weapon from a locked gun cabinet.




A 6-year-old boy was accidentally shot by his 4-year-old playmate (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_jersey&id=9057965) in a quiet residential New Jersey area yesterday. The victim later died of his wounds, with the victim’s uncle telling reporters covering the story “This never should have happened. It’s horrible.”




A 3-year-old (http://www.wbtw.com/story/21920755/3-year-old-sc-child-dead-after-shooting-self-in-home) died of an accidental self-inflicted gun wound in South Carolina on Tuesday according after finding a gun in an apartment and discharging the weapon. No further details have been released at this time. http://www.alternet.org/least-4-people-shot-toddlers-last-weekend

http://www.alternet.org/least-4-people-shot-toddlers-last-weekend

[TSA]

A Tennessee woman was shot in the stomach by her 2-year-old child (http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Woman-Reportedly-Shot-by-her-2-Year-Old--202025261.html) on Sunday.


If you were ever lucky enough to find a woman that would allow you to impregnate her, I would hope your toddler would try and take you out in the same manner.

[CosmicCowboy]

If you were ever lucky enough to find a woman that would allow you to impregnate her, I would hope your toddler would try and take you out in the same manner.

:lmao

[boutons_deux]

If you were ever lucky enough to find a woman that would allow you to impregnate her, I would hope your toddler would try and take you out in the same manner.

aw, is TSA iddy biddy brain and dick pissed off that The Great Boutons bitch slaps you gun fellators daily. Go suck one, bubba, give the Darwin award a good try.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao @ "The Great Boutons". even the flaming liberals in here know you are a fucking joke.

[Blake]

You sure let that go quickly :lol

I found that post irrelevant so I didn't touch it.

Save some face by getting facts straight.

[CosmicCowboy]

I found that post irrelevant so I didn't touch it.

Save some face by getting facts straight.

I see Boutons Lite is back.

[boutons_deux]

:lmao @ "The Great Boutons". even the flaming liberals in here know you are a fucking joke.

in your bubba fantasy world

[TSA]

I found that post irrelevant so I didn't touch it.

Save some face by getting facts straight.
How did you find it irrelevant? Weren't you the one concerned for the safety of bystanders being hit by missed fire?

[CosmicCowboy]

in your bubba fantasy world

Trust me, my world is real. VERY real. I really like my world.

Might be YOUR fantasy world but thats what happens with fuckups like you. Keep on hatin everyone. It's who you are. Own it, bitch.

[boutons_deux]

Keep on hatin everyone.

straw man, typical RIGHT WINGER MSCHARACTERIZATION, OUTRIGHT LIE, that's how you bubbas roll in your asshole bubble.

[CosmicCowboy]

straw man, typical RIGHT WINGER MSCHARACTERIZATION, OUTRIGHT LIE, that's how you bubbas roll in your asshole bubble.

:lmao:lmao:lmao Boutons you suck at so many levels it is fucking hysterical.

Repeat after me: I BOUTONS is a LOOOOOOOOOOOSER! Own it, Bitch.

[Th'Pusher]

Trust me, my world is real. VERY real. I really like my world.

Proof ignorance truly is bliss.

[boutons_deux]

:lmao:lmao:lmao Boutons you suck at so many levels it is fucking hysterical.

Repeat after me: I BOUTONS is a LOOOOOOOOOOOSER! Own it, Bitch.

CC joins TB :lol as my main stalkers.

[Blake]

How did you find it irrelevant? Weren't you the one concerned for the safety of bystanders being hit by missed fire?

First, you didn't link your "fact".

Second, you didn't outright give your opinion/conclusion based on that "fact".

If you're really trying to say that you trust CHL heroes to take out wackos more than you do LEOs, i would say "lmfao".

If not, then don't beat around the bush. Spit out exactly what you are trying to say.

[Blake]

I see Boutons Lite is back.

I see your ass is still red and in pain.

[CosmicCowboy]

I see your ass is still red and in pain.

Go ahead and post and have the last word pissant.

I'm bored with your stupidity. /Boutons Lite

[Blake]

Go ahead and post and have the last word pissant.

I'm bored with your stupidity. /Boutons Lite

So bored that you have to let me know.

So red assed and butthurt that you have to go off topic and go directly into name calling.

[DMC]

Wild Cobra School of Shooting

Do you even own a firearm?

It's usually those that don't know shit about guns that talk the most shit about guns. Odd how that works.

[TSA]

First, you didn't link your "fact".

Second, you didn't outright give your opinion/conclusion based on that "fact".

If you're really trying to say that you trust CHL heroes to take out wackos more than you do LEOs, i would say "lmfao".

If not, then don't beat around the bush. Spit out exactly what you are trying to say.

You are stupider than I thought. I'm not doing the research for you. LEO's are terrible shots. Look into the public police records, it's all there. I know you've got time to kill.

If you don't believe me I challenge you to an LEO vs CHL bystander casualty contest. You find a CHL wounding a bystander, I'll raise you LEO's hitting more. I'll start with last years Empire State shooting.
2 LEO's: 20 shots fired, 1 dead victim, 9 wounded bystanders :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

You are stupider than I thought. I'm not doing the research for you. LEO's are terrible shots. Look into the public police records, it's all there. I know you've got time to kill.

If you don't believe me I challenge you to an LEO vs CHL bystander casualty contest. You find a CHL wounding a bystander, I'll raise you LEO's hitting more. I'll start with last years Empire State shooting.
2 LEO's: 20 shots fired, 1 dead victim, 9 wounded bystanders :lmao

LOL that was a good one to pick. New Yorks Finest!

[CosmicCowboy]

I will warn you that the troll "Blake" is clinically stupid. Like terminally stupid. He will post some random nonsensical shit and then declare you are butt hurt if you respond.

[TSA]

05 was an off year for NYPD :lmao


NYPD 2005 Firearms Discharge Report

NEW YORK The Firearms Discharge Report is broken down into four main categories:

- Gunfights: when the officer(s) and subject(s) fire at each other
- Other Shootings Vs Subjects: when an officer(s) fires in defense of himself or another against a subject(s) and the subject(s) does not return fire
- Against Dogs
- Accidental Discharges: when an officer unintentionally discharges a firearm

These incidents are examined to identify dangerous conditions and to develop preventive measures.

During 2005, a total of 166 officers fired weapons in 123 incidents, as compared to 144 opfficers firing weapons in 114 incidents in the year 2004. In 2005, only 59 incidents (48 percent) have been against human subjects (16 gunfights, 43 other shootings vs. subjects).

Total Number Of Incidents

Total Number Of Incidents ('04) 114
Total Number Of Incidents ('05): 123
Increase: 8 percent
Total Number Of Shots Fired ('04): 352
Total Number Of Shots Fired ('05): 616
Increase: 75 percent

Gunfights 11

Gunfights ('04): 11
Gunfights ('05): 16
Increase: 45 percent
Total Number Of Shots Fired ('04): 92
Total Number Of Shots Fired ('05): 276
Increase: 200 percent
Total Number Of Hits ('04): 18
Total Number Of Hits ('05): 23
Increase: 28 percent
Percentage Of Hits ('04): 20 percent
Percentage Of Hits ('05): 8 percent

Other Shootings Vs. Subjects 40

Other Shootings Vs. Subjects ('04) 40
Other Shootings Vs. Subjects ('05) 43
Increase: 8 percent
Total Number Of Shots Fired ('04): 140
Total Number Of Shots Fired ('05): 196
Increase: 40 percent
Total Number Of Hits ('04): 47
Total Number Of Hits ('05): 59
Increase: 23 percent
Percentage Of Hits ('04): 34 percent
Percentage Of Hits ('05): 30 percent

Against Dogs

Against Dogs ('04) 26
Against Dogs ('05) 32
Increase: 23 percent
Total Number Of Shots Fired ('04): 69
Total Number Of Shots Fired ('05): 93
Increase: 35 percent
Total Number Of Hits ('04): 40
Total Number Of Hits ('05): 57
Increase: 43 percent
Percentage Of Hits ('04): 58 percent
Percentage Of Hits ('05): 61 percent

Accidental Discharges

Accidental Discharges ('04) 27
Accidental Discharges ('05) 24
Decrease: 11 percent
Total Number Of Shots Fired ('04): 28
Total Number Of Shots Fired ('05): 25
Decrease: 11 percent
Total Number Of Hits ('04): 13
Total Number Of Hits ('05): 10
Decrease: 23 percent
Percentage Of Hits ('04): 46 percent
Percentage Of Hits ('05): 40 percent

Suicide Attempted

Suicide Attempted ('04) 5
Suicide Attempted ('05) 3
Decrease: 40 percent
Total Number Of Shots Fired ('04): 5
Total Number Of Shots Fired ('05): 3
Decrease: 40 percent
Total Number Of Hits ('04): 5
Total Number Of Hits ('05): 3
Decrease: 40 percent
Percentage Of Hits ('04): 100 percent
Percentage Of Hits ('05): 100 percent

Other

Other ('04) 5
Other ('05) 5
No Change
Total Number Of Shots Fired ('04): 18
Total Number Of Shots Fired ('05): 22
Increase: 18
Total Number Of Hits ('04): 2
Total Number Of Hits ('05): 2
No Change
Percentage Of Hits ('04): 11 percent
Percentage Of Hits ('05): 9 percent

Statistical Summaries

Total Number Of Firearms Incidents ('05)
Accidental Discharges: 24, 19.5
Gunfights: 16, 13 percent
Other Shootings Vs. Subjects: 43, 35 percent
Dogs: 32, 26 percent
Mistaken Identity: 0, 0 percent
Others: Intoxicated, Domestic, etc.: 5, 4.1 percent
Suicide: 3, 2.4 percent
Total: 123, 100 percent

Number Of Incidents By Day ('05)
Sunday: 20, 16.2 percent
Monday: 13, 10.6 percent
Tuesday: 20, 16.2 percent
Wednesday: 13, 10.6 percent
Thursday: 16, 13 percent
Friday: 17, 13.8 percent
Saturday: 24, 19.5 percent

Number Of Incidents By Tour ('05)
On-Duty
0001 - 0800: 32, 26 percent
0801 - 1600: 27, 22 percent
1601 - 2400: 38, 31 percent
Subtotal: 97, 79 percent

Off-Duty
0001 - 0800: 10, 8 percent
0801 - 1600: 7, 5.7 percent
1601 - 2400: 9, 7.3 percent
Subtotal: 26, 21 percent
Total: 123, 100 percent

Number Of Incidents By Borough ('05)
Manhattan South: 6, 4.9 percent
Manhattan North: 16, 13 percent
Bronx 27, 22 percent
Brooklyn South: 26, 21.1 percent
Brooklyn North: 26, 21.1 percent
Queens South: 17, 14 percent
Queens North: 5, 4 percent
Staten Island: 5, 4 percent
Outside City: 5, 4 percent
Total: 123, 100 percent

Number Of Incidents By Month('05)
January: 12, 9.8 percent
February: 7, 5.7 percent
March: 8, 6.5 percent
April: 10, 8.1 percent
May: 10, 8.1 percent
June: 12, 9.8 percent
July: 13, 10.6 percent
August: 8, 6.5 percent
September: 8, 6.5 percent
October: 16, 13 percent
November: 9, 7.3 percent
December 10, 8.1 percent
Total: 123, 100 percent

Officer Statistics ('05)

Number Of Officer Discharges
Captains And Above: 2
Lieutenants: 4
Sergeants: 19
Detectives: 33
Police Officers: 103
Probationary Police Officers: 3
Undercover: 2

Officer Duty Status And Attire
On Duty In Uniform: 79, 48 percent
On Duty In Civilian Atire: 61, 37 percent
Off Duty: 26, 15 percent

Number Of Incidents Outdoors: 49
Number Of Incidents Indoors: 74

Members' Accuracy At Distance Fired:

00 - 02 Yds
Uniformed Members Of Service: 64
Number Of Shots Fired: 127
Number Of Hits: 65
Percentage Of Hits: 51

03 - 07 Yds
Uniformed Members Of Service: 44
Number Of Shots Fired: 155
Number Of Hits: 68
Percentage Of Hits: 44

08 - 15 Yds
Uniformed Members Of Service: 40
Number Of Shots Fired: 205
Number Of Hits: 14
Percentage Of Hits: 7

16 - 25 Yds
Uniformed Members Of Service: 7
Number Of Shots Fired: 93
Number Of Hits: 5
Percentage Of Hits: 5

Over 25 Yds
Uniformed Members Of Service: 0
Number Of Shots Fired: 0
Number Of Hits: 0
Percentage Of Hits: 0

Not Stated
Uniformed Members Of Service: 11
Number Of Shots Fired: 36
Number Of Hits: 2
Percentage Of Hits: 6

Totals ('05)
Uniformed Members Of Service: 166
Number Of Shots Fired: 616
Number Of Hits: 154
Percentage Of Hits: 25

Officer Statistics

Weapons Used By Officers In Shooting Incidents
Revolvers: 4
Semi Amutomatic Pistols: 156
Ithaca 37 Shotgun: 1
Colt M4: 0
H&K MP5: 1
Ruger Mini-14: 0
M24 Rifle: 0
Non-Standard Weapon: 4

Shooting Incidents (Defense Of Self/Others)
Shooting Incidents (Defense Of Self/Others): 43
Total Number Of Officers Who Fired: 64
Total Number Of Shots Fired: 196
Total Number Of Hits: 59
Percentage Of Hits: 30 percent
Shots Fired Per Incident: 4.6
Shots Fired Per Officer Per Incident: 3.1

Shooting Incidents (Dogs)
Shooting Incidents (Dogs): 32
Total Number Of Officers Who Fired: 35
Total Number Of Shots Fired: 93
Total Number Of Hits: 58
Percentage Of Hits: 62 percent
Shots Fired Per Incident: 2.9
Shots Fired Per Officer Per Incident: 2.7

Shooting Incidents (Gunfights)
Shooting Incidents (Gunfights): 16
Total Number Of Officers Who Fired: 35
Total Number Of Shots Fired: 276
Total Number Of Hits: 23
Percentage Of Hits: 8 percent
Shots Fired Per Incident: 17.3
Shots Fired Per Officer Per Incident: 7.9

Shooting Incidents (Accidental)
Shooting Incidents (Accidental): 24
Total Number Of Officers Who Fired: 24
Total Number Of Shots Fired: 25
Total Number Of Hits: 10
Percentage Of Hits: 42 percent
Shots Fired Per Incident: 1.04
Shots Fired Per Officer Per Incident: 1.04

Shooting Incidents (Suicide And Attempted)
Suicide (2), Attempted (1): 3
Total Number Of Officers Who Fired: 3
Total Number Of Shots Fired: 4
Total Number Of Hits: 4
Percentage Of Hits: 100 percent
Shots Fired Per Incident: 1.3
Shots Fired Per Officer Per Incident: 1.3

Shooting Incidents (Other)
Other: 5
Total Number Of Officers Who Fired: 5
Total Number Of Shots Fired: 22
Total Number Of Hits: 1
Percentage Of Hits: 5 percent
Shots Fired Per Incident: 4.4
Shots Fired Per Officer Per Incident: 4.4

2005 Firearms Discharge Incidents

Subject Armed With
Gun, Fired At Police
2004: 14
Percentage: 13 Percent
2005: 16
Percentage: 13 Percent

Gun, Fired Not At Police
2004: 4
Percentage: 3 Percent
2005: 9
Percentage: 7.3 Percent

Gun, Did Not Fire
2004: 13
Percentage: 12 Percent
2005: 22
Percentage: 18 Percent

Imitation/Simulated Gun
2004: 6
Percentage: 5 Percent
2005: 6
Percentage: 5 Percent

Vehicle
2004: 3
Percentage: 2 Percent
2005: 0
Percentage: 0 Percent

Other Weapon (Indicate)
2004: 3
Percentage: 2 Percent
2005: 0
Percentage: 0 Percent

Physical Force/Furtive Movement
2004: 5
Percentage: 4 Percent
2005: 5
Percentage: 4 Percent

Mistaken Identity
2004: 0
Percentage: 0 Percent
2005: 0
Percentage: 0 Percent

Suicide
2004: 4
Percentage: 3 Percent
2005: 2
Percentage: 1.6 Percent

Attempted Suicide
2004: 1
Percentage: 1 Percent
2005: 1
Percentage: 0.8 Percent

Accidental Discharge
2004: 27
Percentage: 25 Percent
2005: 24
Percentage: 19.5 Percent

Destroy Animal
2004: 26
Percentage: 23 Percent
2005: 32
Percentage: 26 Percent

Unauthorized (Intoxicated, Domestic)
2004: 5
Percentage: 4 Percent
2005: 5
Percentage: 4 Percent

[TSA]

None of this surprises me as most LEO's (not all) do not hone their skill with practice. I guarantee I shoot more rounds per month than 99% of LEO's, along with most criminals. I've heard the criminal vs LEO hit rate is somewhere around 70%/20% :lol

[mouse]

My 86 year old mothers target at 25 feet:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/CC-gun-toting-granny_zpsa4b42067.png (http://s125.photobucket.com/user/RackTheMouse/media/CC-gun-toting-granny_zpsa4b42067.png.html)

[TSA]

I didn't take Blake as one to shy from a challenge.

[Blake]

You are stupider than I thought. I'm not doing the research for you. LEO's are terrible shots. Look into the public police records, it's all there. I know you've got time to kill.

If you don't believe me I challenge you to an LEO vs CHL bystander casualty contest. You find a CHL wounding a bystander, I'll raise you LEO's hitting more. I'll start with last years Empire State shooting.
2 LEO's: 20 shots fired, 1 dead victim, 9 wounded bystanders :lmao

So basically what you're saying is that in this situation, you'd rather put your faith in a citizen with a CHL than a cop to diffuse the situation.

That's so retarded, it's not a challenge.

[Blake]

Sorry mouse. CC is going to tell us that wasn't his grammy's bullet hole.

But nice catch. Lol.

[CosmicCowboy]

Sorry mouse. CC is going to tell us that wasn't his grammy's bullet hole.

But nice catch. Lol.

It wasn't hers, girly man. It was mine. it was a flyer from shooting my .357 open sight three screw blackhawks at 50 yards at the target next to it. As for the hole off the target in the wood, If you notice this is my fucking rifle range. That particular frame is my 100 yard frame and dozens of people have sighted in rifles/pistols in using that backstop.

[Blake]

Suuuuuuurrrrrre

[TSA]

So basically what you're saying is that in this situation, you'd rather put your faith in a citizen with a CHL than a cop to diffuse the situation.

Not at all.

You popped off about CHL holders hitting bystanders, I'm telling you they are much better shots than LEO's.

I see you declined the challenge.

[TSA]

It wasn't hers, girly man. It was mine. it was a flyer from shooting my .357 open sight three screw blackhawks at 50 yards at the target next to it. As for the hole off the target in the wood, If you notice this is my fucking rifle range. That particular frame is my 100 yard frame and dozens of people have sighted in rifles/pistols in using that backstop.the target would have dropped after the first two center mass hits so the flyer is irrelevant :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

the target would have dropped after the first two center mass hits so the flyer is irrelevant :lol

These anti-gun girly men don't seem to understand that.

Actually, calling these faggots girly men is an insult to girls. My Mother, wife, both surviving sisters, and my daughter all have their CHL's and shot perfect scores on their tests.

[Cane]

If History Channel's show Top Shot taught me anything..... it's that only elite spec ops soldiers and goddam kids that were trained for lifelong competition shooting can shoot worth a damn

[CosmicCowboy]

If History Channel's show Top Shot taught me anything..... it's that only elite spec ops soldiers and goddam kids that were trained for lifelong competition shooting can shoot worth a damn


Learned everything he know about shooting from "reality TV"

:lmao :lmao:lmao

Sad, really.

[spursncowboys]

Go ahead and post and have the last word pissant.

I'm bored with your stupidity. /Boutons Lite
Atleast B_D is filled with so much rage. Blake is just ignorant and uninformed.

[TSA]

Atleast B_D is filled with so much rage. Blake is just ignorant and uninformed.

Unfortunately these same traits ended his marriage and led his love astray.

[mavs>spurs]

domesticated aryan dog

i've heard of dogs being gunshy, not men

[boutons_deux]

Atleast B_D is filled with so much rage. Blake is just ignorant and uninformed.

The Great Boutons is brilliant and well informed, which you pisses off you right-wing assholes.

[mavs>spurs]

this board has a few borderline psychotic narcissists tbh gratz

[Cane]

Learned everything he know about shooting from "reality TV"

:lmao :lmao:lmao

Sad, really.

Tbh that was a shot against Top Shot although those bow and arrow tests don't lie

[Blake]

Not at all.

You popped off about CHL holders hitting bystanders, I'm telling you they are much better shots than LEO's.

I see you declined the challenge.

I never said a word about LEOs. You still haven't said why you popped off about LEOs.

[Blake]

Unfortunately these same traits ended his marriage and led his love astray.

That's ignorant and uninformed.

Not that it matters

[Blake]

Blake is just ignorant and uninformed.

Did you ever figure out how to calculate gas price increases by percent?

[TSA]

I never said a word about LEOs. You still haven't said why you popped off about LEOs.So who do you want taking the shot?

[Blake]

So who do you want taking the shot?

If both are on the scene in the same position, I'd want a trained LEO.

Who do you want taking the shot?

[CosmicCowboy]

If both are on the scene in the same position, I'd want a trained LEO.

Who do you want taking the shot?

Both. Double taps too.

[Blake]

So you're ok with a citizen possibly getting in the way of officers trained in these matters.

yay.

[CosmicCowboy]

i'm OK with two good guys taking out a bad guy. Yep.

[spursncowboys]

Both. Double taps too.
Hearts and minds. Two in the chest, one in the head.

[pgardn]

I would like to be able to defend my neighborhood.

All I ask for is one small nuclear device.

Ima hopin the NRA, or perhaps North Korea, will take my cause up. Thoughts... No, please don't.

[Blake]

i'm OK with two good guys taking out a bad guy. Yep.

Why stop at two