Church of Baynesis

[Pop]

I'm a believer :elephant.

Tonight he was +3, his D really fueled the comeback attempt imo.

I mean you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that playing the turd towers together is asking to take it up the ass. I'm not sure what's going on in Pop's brain at this point even if he did tank that game but this isn't what this thread is about.

Baynes should be the backup center, bar none.

[Sean Cagney]

Who gives a shit, in the playoffs POP will play Bonner over him and we know it. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to prove the turd TOWERS SUCK, yet they are still a problem in 013 after years here. Pop has lost it, he will play Baynes next year or later in a series when it is too late.

[Poolboy5623]

Too late now.. pop didn't get him on the floor and now he will rot on the bench. Hell if it were up to me, I'd play him over diaw in certain situations..but definitely over blair. If anything just for his shot altering presence on d. I'm fine with Bonner, as long as he can be hidden on defense. If he has to guard anyone good(is anyone not good in the playoffs?), game over..

[Poolboy5623]

I vote you change title to, "church of bayne"..in honor of the the dark night movie, which was about as badass as baynes himself.

[Pop]

I vote you change title to, "church of bayne"..in honor of the the dark night movie, which was about as badass as baynes himself.

I wanted to simply write Baynes but the forum changed his name automatically tbh.

[capek]

Who gives a shit, in the playoffs POP will play Bonner over him and we know it. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to prove the turd TOWERS SUCK, yet they are still a problem in 013 after years here. Pop has lost it, he will play Baynes next year or later in a series when it is too late.

Yep :bang

[SenorSpur]

Too late now.. pop didn't get him on the floor and now he will rot on the bench. Hell if it were up to me, I'd play him over diaw in certain situations..but definitely over blair. If anything just for his shot altering presence on d. I'm fine with Bonner, as long as he can be hidden on defense. If he has to guard anyone good(is anyone not good in the playoffs?), game over..

I agree that Baynes should garner floor time over both Diaw and Bonner in certain situations, but we all know it's not happening - not this year anyway. And by the way, there is no way to hide Bonner in any defense.

[letmk]

I called for giving Baynes 10 minutes after RRT. Unfortunately for a coach like Pop, that's never i his plan. To be honest, I don't know whether Baynes can help the Spurs in the playoffs. But I do know that Blair and Bonner can not. So why not give this true bigman a chance?

[Sean Cagney]

I called for giving Baynes 10 minutes after RRT. Unfortunately for a coach like Pop, that's never i his plan. To be honest, I don't know whether Baynes can help the Spurs in the playoffs. But I do know that Blair and Bonner can not. So why not give this true bigman a chance?
Because it is POP, he will beat a dead horse into the ground for years and think it will work! I don't get it either.

[letmk]

Because it is POP, he will beat a dead horse into the ground for years and think it will work! I don't get it either.

Or if Pop doesn't think Baynes can help this year, then why not try Birdman or KMart? Both of them are playing very well and for very little money. I just feel so sad to see Timmy cannot even get decent help to fight for #5. In the end, if LeBron proves himself to be the true GOAT contender and the Heat sweep everybody, that's still more acceptable than not even having a chance to challenge.

[Sean Cagney]

Or if Pop doesn't think Baynes can help this year, then why not try Birdman or KMart? Both of them are playing very well and for very little money. I just feel so sad to see Timmy cannot even get decent help to fight for #5. In the end, if LeBron proves himself to be the true GOAT contender and the Heat sweep everybody, that's still more acceptable than not even having a chance to challenge.

I would have cut Blairs ass and Had Bonner gone years ago, and yes Birdman and K Mart would have helped more than those f in bums! The sad thing is it is 013 and we are still talking about BONNER OR BLAIR and who will help more! Good lord it's sad.

[spurraider21]

i'm pretty upset over how Baynes was brought along. Why did we buy him out midseason, bring him over right now if we didn't intend on using him at all? They could have waited until the offseason and let him keep getting big minutes in Europe if thats what they wanted. I know he's not ready to be the first big off the bench, but in matchups, he should be getting 10-15 minutes per game, especially with Boris banged up

[bluebellmaniac]

i'm pretty upset over how Baynes was brought along. Why did we buy him out midseason, bring him over right now if we didn't intend on using him at all? They could have waited until the offseason and let him keep getting big minutes in Europe if thats what they wanted. I know he's not ready to be the first big off the bench, but in matchups, he should be getting 10-15 minutes per game, especially with Boris banged up

Someone else would have grabbed him. At the time we signed him, bigs were falling like King Kong off the Empire State building all over the league. Could you imagine if he was signed by the Lakers? He's worth the buyout. Bigs just are. His time will come. That time will be next year. We are not in desperation mode. We can afford patience. Stay calm...

[TJastal]

Someone else would have grabbed him. At the time we signed him, bigs were falling like King Kong off the Empire State building all over the league. Could you imagine if he was signed by the Lakers? He's worth the buyout. Bigs just are. His time will come. That time will be next year. We are not in desperation mode. We can afford patience. Stay calm...

Just how many more years do you think Duncan will play at an all star level?? :lol

I would credit his resurgence to finally having some size next to him. Something Baynes has alot of. 2nd unit is too small for many matchups around the league.

I just don't get this whole "patient" approach people seem to be mired in.. once Manu & Tim retire and the team is in rebuild mode then sure.. but now???? .... smh...

[jag]

Baynes is ok. He's not ready though. He doesn't know the offense and he doesn't know the defense. He can wing it in glorified pick-up games like last night but the playoffs are a different story. He needs more time with the team (practice and games) and right now the Spurs don't have the time available to let him learn.

Some of the same arguments were made about Splitter last year. The major difference is that last year Pop had a lot more time to work Splitter into the lineup and he still didn't use him. Splitter also had the experience of his rookie year under his belt. Baynes has been with the team since late January, basically February. There's only so much you can expect. If he ever seems meaningful minutes in the playoffs, it's because something has gone terribly wrong.

[TJastal]

I think we had this argument a few weeks ago. Some of us believe his size alone negates the drawback of the lack of system knowledge.
Add in the fact that he gives the team alot of needed athleticism also.

Now consider the fact that Diaw, Blair, & Bonner are all undersized and not defensive stalwarts and the argument for Baynes this season gets even stronger.

[weeks]

Because it is POP, he will beat a dead horse into the ground for years and think it will work! I don't get it either.

that's the problem with this 'pounding the rock' mentality
it too often sets you up for years of wasting your time trying to inflate a tire with a hole in it

[weeks]

Baynes is ok. He's not ready though. He doesn't know the offense and he doesn't know the defense..

knowing it doesn't seem to help many of the others very much

[ThaBigFundamental21]

To be honest Baynes looks pretty damn raw out there. But that signals to the argument he should have been used all year in preparation for the playoffs. Now Diaw is out likely at least part of the first round, and we haven't developed any other big man depth. Pretty stupid on Pop's part tbh. Having another 7 footer would really help our D especially against the more athletic teams. Denver, Clippers, OKC, Miami. All the big boys in the playoffs TBH. And I don't have to state how good it would be to have another big against Memphis, or even the Fakeshow.

[TJastal]

To be honest Baynes looks pretty damn raw out there. But that signals to the argument he should have been used all year in preparation for the playoffs. Now Diaw is out likely at least part of the first round, and we haven't developed any other big man depth. Pretty stupid on Pop's part tbh. Having another 7 footer would really help our D especially against the more athletic teams. Denver, Clippers, OKC, Miami. All the big boys in the playoffs TBH. And I don't have to state how good it would be to have another big against Memphis, or even the Fakeshow.

Eventually the popsuckers and apologists will come to realize and admit Pop dicked over the Baynes situation just like he did Splitter and essentially pissed away the last best chance at #5 by being way too conservative and stubborn... might take awhile though.. I'm sure there will be plenty of "patience" preachers in the meantime.

[jermaine]

All I know is im tired of everyone going up so soft. Tiago an Blair with those stupid ass hook/push shots. Leanord an Duncan is the only ones tryna finish like a grown man. I keep saying look at Javele Mcgee. He just patrole the paint on defense an sit around the rim on offense to get a ally hoop or put back dunk. Now if why cant THE GREAT POP-A-BITCH do that with Baynes. You cant tell me he doesn't see that Blair an Bonner lineup doesn't work. An if im not mistaken, Baynes has somewhat of a midrange shot. All the while Tiago cant even back dont a small ass wing. Fucking pathetic

[silverblk mystix]

Eventually the popsuckers and apologists will come to realize and admit Pop dicked over the Baynes situation just like he did Splitter and essentially pissed away the last best chance at #5 by being way too conservative and stubborn... might take awhile though.. I'm sure there will be plenty of "patience" preachers in the meantime.



Can I have some of what you ingested?


The day these morons admit anything - it will rain pink cotton unicorns - in every part of the planet.


:lmao

[TJastal]

knowing it doesn't seem to help many of the others very much
Confucius say ... one must know system to defend rim......or have name "Blair" or "Bonner".

[letmk]

Every argument has to be assessed in the context. Very few, if there is any, posters are saying Baynes WILL work. But the bottom line is Bonner and Blair will NOT work. Simply put, unknown result >> known failure.

[loveforthegame]

Baynes is still a little uncomfortable out there but how nice is it to see someone actually clog the lane, box out, be close enough to a player attacking the basket to foul him? Instead of having to watch player after player either shoot over Bonner/Blair or blow right by them for the easy lay up.

Baynes still has work to do no question but what he offers even on the most ugliest nights is still more than Bonner/Blair.

[look_at_g_shred]

Did it occur to some of you who say that Baynes is not ready or doesn't know the system yet is because he has been shoved behind Bonner and Blair's minutes. Whenever Pop does decide to put him in, he always shows me something good.

[Gagnrath]

Look folks I hate to be a Bonner Apologist, but he's not that bad. He's 6'10" Hardly undersized, the problem is he isn't very athletic is lead footed and has a weak bases. He actually has decent handles for a center, and a good shooting stroke, he doesn't make bad decisions often. The problem really lies in that he is a second unit guy/specialist that should have been playing next to a big SF that could bang and an athletic second bigman. His job would be to pull the other teams big out of the paint, and his weaknesses inside where he lacks strength would have been mitigated. The problem was he never really next to a super athletic big, (Duncan isn't bad but isn't a pre-bad back robinson, or howard by any means) Bowen never was the player on offense to use the extra space and RJ is/was passive. Manu did benefit from the extra space. Now put in a slow guy to start with that is now older (he's 33 folks) and he seems really bad. At no time was he ever really supposed to be a starter though the spurs were forced to do that for awhile, and the idea of having him as the primary back-up big next to someone undersized, was never good, and with blair's defensive issues a poor idea became horrid.

I guess guys I understand that Bonner never accomplished alot here nor was he great in the play-offs but he was also used most of the time as something everyone knew he wasn't including pop and he did everything with-in his power to help the spurs win during those years, just being the primary center/pf sub of a contending team wasn't ever in his power. Being #4/change of pace is/was, however remember he's getting old in NBA terms as well.

[SenorSpur]

It appears to me that Pop's strategy is flawed and perhaps even somewhat hypocritical. Pop prioritizes good health and rest over practically everything else. Having the core guys rested and healthy is a sound strategy. At the same time, it does occasionally mean sacrificing some regular season games. If Pop is going to sacrifice some regular season games to make this happen, why not play young and new talent in the process? Insteady, Pop chooses to bury new talent on the bench, at the expense of getting them ready for the playoffs. It's the same strategy he used with George Hill, in his rookie year and Tiago Splitter also in his rookie year. He's now doing the same with Aron Baynes, when it's obvious that Baynes could provide some relief andd contributions which the Turd Towers clearly cannot. Meanwhile, he's given Nando De Colo, in his first year, every opportunity to command and win the backup PG role. That's certainly fine, but why isn't Pop being consistent with his philosophy. It's mind-boggling trying to figure out just what he's doing.

[Gagnrath]

On the Baynes topic, he is definitely not ready to be primary big off the bench, especially without having had time to play with Manu (wouldn't have happened this year even if he could have had all of blairs minutes this year.) That said, if Boris isn't right we have allready pointed out that Bonner isn't that guy and Blair is done so throw Baynes into the fire, hope Splitter resigns, Duncan can be at this level next year, Danny and Kahwi both grow at a respectable rate, and we can find a decent Manu replacement, and chalk this year up as injuries, and seasoning for Kawhi, Splitter, Green unless lightening strikes in the play-offs.

[ChumpDumper]

Eventually the popsuckers and apologists will come to realize and admit Pop dicked over the Baynes situation just like he did Splitter and essentially pissed away the last best chance at #5 by being way too conservative and stubborn... might take awhile though.. I'm sure there will be plenty of "patience" preachers in the meantime.Baynes = championship

[jermaine]

I know basketball aint no car an all, but feel yhe similarities! If a mechanic is tryna but the last bolt in a engine to get in running right an he keep using a 1/4 an 1/3 wrench an neither is getting the job done cuz their to small. An he has a tool box with new fresh tools like a 9/16, why not use all your dam tools to get the fucking job done. Dont keep your fucking customers upset cuz you cant finish the job cuz you keep trying the same small shit.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

It appears to me that Pop's strategy is flawed and perhaps even somewhat hypocritical. Pop prioritizes good health and rest over practically everything else. Having the core guys rested and healthy is a sound strategy. At the same time, it does occasionally mean sacrificing some regular season games. If Pop is going to sacrifice some regular season games to make this happen, why not play young and new talent in the process? Insteady, Pop chooses to bury new talent on the bench, at the expense of getting them ready for the playoffs. It's the same strategy he used with George Hill, in his rookie year and Tiago Splitter also in his rookie year. He's now doing the same with Aron Baynes, when it's obvious that Baynes could provide some relief andd contributions which the Turd Towers clearly cannot. Meanwhile, he's given Nando De Colo, in his first year, every opportunity to command and win the backup PG role. That's certainly fine, but why isn't Pop being consistent with his philosophy. It's mind-boggling trying to figure out just what he's doing.

BINGO!!! Great stuff!!!

[silverblk mystix]

Baynes = championship



Can I have some of what you ingested?


The day these morons admit anything - it will rain pink cotton unicorns - in every part of the planet.

[jermaine]

Can I have some of what you ingested?


The day these morons admit anything - it will rain pink cotton unicorns - in every part of the planet.
How do you know Baynes= championship isn't so!?! But we all do know Bonner an Blair equals up to. So why not try something different this time around.

[silverblk mystix]

How do you know Baynes= championship isn't so!?! But we all do know Bonner an Blair equals up to. So why not try something different this time around.

Was referring to the apologists/popsuckers...you got it backwards...

they know who they are

[ChumpDumper]

How do you know Baynes= championship isn't so!?! SBM is trying to label people.

It's his thing.

[spurraider21]

Someone else would have grabbed him. At the time we signed him, bigs were falling like King Kong off the Empire State building all over the league. Could you imagine if he was signed by the Lakers? He's worth the buyout. Bigs just are. His time will come. That time will be next year. We are not in desperation mode. We can afford patience. Stay calm...
I'm not panicking lol. Didnt know bigs were being grabbed the way you claim, though that would explain it. Still, I think he at least should have been given the opportunity to play. At least in limited minutes. For instance, Blair usually gets a DNP, same with bonner. When they do come in, it's for about 5 minute spurts. Baynes could have auditioned for those roles. He has shown in limited minutes he will protect the rim

[Fabbs]

I think we had this argument a few weeks ago. Some of us believe his size alone negates the drawback of the lack of system knowledge.
Add in the fact that he gives the team alot of needed athleticism also.

Now consider the fact that Diaw, Blair, & Bonner are all undersized and not defensive stalwarts and the argument for Baynes this season gets even stronger.
Man From Nazr joined the team with 23 regular season games left in 2005.
Went on to play all 23 playoff games at 23 minutes per game in a Legit Championship 2005.
So much for Popsuckers and their **system** excuse.

We all know that was the end of the Spurs as we knew them as Dipstick :pop: and his ruination plan began summer '05.

[ChumpDumper]

Nazr had been a first round pick and in the NBA like six seasons before joining the Spurs.

[hater]

fuck it. after seeing Bonner and Blair out there in the 1st half. I'm all for playing the goofy whiteboy, or even bring some of the toros. Fuck, Bonner/Blair are absolutely fucking useless.

gotttttttadddmmdmdmdmmdmdmdmmd!!! :pctoss :pctoss :pctoss

[taps]

This thread is sbm fabs tj lifeblood
I keep thinking about blairs situation with the russian team during the lockout.

[TheGoldStandard]

Pop = Overrated. It's pretty easy to make the playoffs each year when you have Tim Duncan, David Robinson and Manu on your team and Parker seemed like a happy accident. There really isn't a player that Pop coached up and made a better player, all our role players are castoffs from teams that didn't have the likes of Duncan, Robinson, Manu or Parker to lead the team and Danny Green didn't even sniff the court when he was in Cleveland.

[jermaine]

I know I might be blind, but I dont see anything different that the Spurs do that sooo spectacular on defense that makes them stand out from anyone else. Our offense is basic p&r or p&p. I mean with all this Baynes dont know the system stuff is killing me. I could see if we was destroying teams. But we're not! 14 to 0 in the 1st qtr an we still lose. Fucking sad.

[TJastal]

Nazr had been a first round pick and in the NBA like six seasons before joining the Spurs.

Oh right... 1st round pick. Got it. And that just worked out great for him didn't it? Let's not forget he also had a spurs assistant coach teaching him the spurs culture all those years too. Clearly you are right as always.

[DesignatedT]

wtf is "Baynesis"

[ChumpDumper]

Oh right... 1st round pick. Got it. And that just worked out great for him didn't it? Let's not forget he also had a spurs assistant coach teaching him the spurs culture all those years too. Clearly you are right as always.Yeah, I'm right that Nazr was a first round pick and played in the NBA for about six seasons.

What part of that are you disputing?

[TJastal]

Yeah, I'm right that Nazr was a first round pick and played in the NBA for about six seasons.

What part of that are you disputing?

No dispute here. Clearly being a 1st round pick with nba credentials allowed Nazr to pick up the spurs' system as quickly as he did. Baynes couldn't possibly pull that off even with practically double the amount of games. Thanks for setting us straight once again. I don't know what we would do without your superior wisdom in the forum..... :pray:

[ChumpDumper]

No dispute here. Clearly being a 1st round pick with nba credentials allowed Nazr to pick up the spurs' system as quickly as he did.He didn't really pick up the system at all, but he had six seasons of NBA experience. If you don't know what that means, I am not at all surprised. Your problem.

[Nero5]

You know for all of the talk of 'the system' let me point out...the 'system' is not working at the moment. Pop has contracted his playing group and now they older guys are banged up and hurt. 'The system' cannot cover for this, the last game against denver was a shocker and that used 'the system'.

[TJastal]

He didn't really pick up the system at all, but he had six seasons of NBA experience. If you don't know what that means, I am not at all surprised. Your problem.

And Baynes has played professionally for 4 years overseas. Next.

[UZER]

It appears to me that Pop's strategy is flawed and perhaps even somewhat hypocritical. Pop prioritizes good health and rest over practically everything else. Having the core guys rested and healthy is a sound strategy. At the same time, it does occasionally mean sacrificing some regular season games. If Pop is going to sacrifice some regular season games to make this happen, why not play young and new talent in the process? Insteady, Pop chooses to bury new talent on the bench, at the expense of getting them ready for the playoffs. It's the same strategy he used with George Hill, in his rookie year and Tiago Splitter also in his rookie year. He's now doing the same with Aron Baynes, when it's obvious that Baynes could provide some relief andd contributions which the Turd Towers clearly cannot. Meanwhile, he's given Nando De Colo, in his first year, every opportunity to command and win the backup PG role. That's certainly fine, but why isn't Pop being consistent with his philosophy. It's mind-boggling trying to figure out just what he's doing.

:tu was about to post something similar, but just read this. you stole my thunder!

Also, spurs have not won since PJ left. Probably the last guy that could get into Pops ear.

[Capt Bringdown]

I think we had this argument a few weeks ago. Some of us believe his size alone negates the drawback of the lack of system knowledge.
Add in the fact that he gives the team alot of needed athleticism also.

Now consider the fact that Diaw, Blair, & Bonner are all undersized and not defensive stalwarts and the argument for Baynes this season gets even stronger.

Stop being so sensible. Spurs role players must be 100% ready and have no weaknesses before we even remotely consider their positive potential.

[ChumpDumper]

And Baynes has played professionally for 4 years overseas. Next.Still angry about your player evaluations, eh?

Next.

Again, I have no objections to trying Baynes -- my problem is your takes are truly terrible.

[Pop]

With Boris being out for the first part of the playoffs at the very least, Baynes is our last hope.

It's him or the turd towers.

Unleash that beast already, guy even has a jumper so he can play with both Tim and Splitter the softy.

[Pop]

If Pop was serious about the focus on D this year he will have no choice but to play Baynes or else that means that it was just lip service.

[boutons_deux]

Baynes hasn't shown great pick up on his rotations, but certainly one on one, altering shots, and rebounding, he's been better than Blair.

If wonder if Pop plays Baynes who then makes great contributions the way playoff Geo Hill did, then have Pop regret AGAIN not giving Aron more time in the season, as he did regret with GH.

[Baam]

I don't know why this guy is not playing anymore tbh.

Only held the opposite team to 4 points in like 8 minutes last time he played, and unlike Manu who was going up vs a Dleague backcourt he was actually guarding a top 10 player.

Feels like rebounding is really huge in this series, Splitter is averaging 2.8 rebounds per game, I don't see how Baynes is not the back up center at the very least when we're getting outrebounded by a small ball team.

But then again after Boris was the hero of game 1 vs the Warriors playing center, killing Bogut on O with his range and switching on Curry as well as anyone Pop went with Bonner in game 2...

I don't get it.

[TrainOfThought5]

Youre going to be slandered for your opinion... and I dont personally believe that Baynes is the answer, but i do believe that change MUST be made if Splitts comes out limp again in game 5.

[Baam]

Baynes is gonna be the biggest upgrade this season, a true backup center who can rebound and has a jumper like Timmy...

People get excited about Beli but they underestimate what we lose with Neal tbh, when healthy he was such an offensive force...

[TXstbobcat]

I am kind of excited to see how good he plays in summer league.

[BackHome]

Yeah I can't wait to see him and Richards on the floor together this summer it will be fun to watch.