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boutons_deux
04-16-2013, 07:40 AM
Top Bush-Era Officials Sound False Alarm Of Obama Plot To Use U.N. To Take Guns (http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/04/15/1867561/yoo-bolton-arms-trade-treaty/)


Two top Bush-era officials have joined forces to pen an article falsely warning citizens of the strict gun laws the Obama administration will put into place via ceding to the authority of the United Nations.John Yoo and John Bolton — the former Justice Department official responsible for the “Bush torture memos (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/06/23/252116/john-yoo-war-powers-resolution/)” and the former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. respectively — took to the pages of the Wall Street Journal on Monday sounding the alarm (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324504704578413110123095782.html) against the sneaky way the Obama administration will come for Americans’ guns: the United Nations. In particular, the recently passed (http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/04/02/1808661/un-nra-att-passes/) Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) is, according to Yoo and Bolton, the vehicle that the White House means to use to go around Congress and the Constitution itself to violate citizens’ Second Amendment rights.

Yoo and Bolton see in the text of the ATT (http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/docs/Draft_ATT_text_27_Mar_2013-E.pdf) — drafted to regulate the $70 billion arms trade and keep tanks and fighter jets out of the hands of frequent human rights violators — a clear and easy way for the Obama administration to get everything the authors believe to be the end goals of the gun violence debate in the U.S. without the approval of the American people:


But the new treaty also demands domestic regulation of “small arms and light weapons.” The treaty’s Article 5 requires nations to “establish and maintain a national control system (http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/04/15/1867561/yoo-bolton-arms-trade-treaty/#),” including a “national control list.” Article 10 requires signatories “to regulate brokering” of conventional arms. The treaty offers no guarantee for individual rights, but instead only declares it is “mindful” of the “legitimate trade and lawful ownership” of arms for”recreational, cultural, historical, and sporting activities.” Not a word about the right to possess guns for a broader individual right of self-defense.
Gun-control advocates will use these provisions to argue that the U.S. must enact measures such as a national gun registry, licenses for guns and ammunition sales, universal background checks (http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/04/15/1867561/yoo-bolton-arms-trade-treaty/#), and even a ban of certain weapons. The treaty thus provides the Obama administration with an end-run around Congress to reach these gun-control holy grails.


Their article syncs with other conservatives dire warnings (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/04/12/1857321/gop-congressman-warns-background-checks-will-lead-to-a-genocide-like-in-rwanda/) of a new “national gun registry,” despite precisely zero proposals from Democrats to enact one. The portion of the treaty Yoo and Bolton cite does not include specifics on what a “national control list” looks like, and refers to the export of arms and their components. This in turn does not imply the type of Federal individual ownership list Republicans fear and Vice President Joe Biden has made clear (http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/03/biden-cites-the-blackhelicopter-crowd-159882.html?hp=r11) isn’t soon coming.

Already, though, the Federal government implements many of the provisions of the Arms Trade Treaty, requiring no new enabling legislation. The Department of Justice’s Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms, and Tobacco already keeps regulates and tracks (http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/firearms/121611-firearms-commerce-2011.pdf) the import of firearms into the United States, despite the best efforts (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/atf-obama-gun-reform-control-alcohol-tobacco-firearms) of Republicans to choke off its authority. And as the American Bar Association points out in a White Paper (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/612012-aba-white-paper.html) on the ATT, the export of firearms and other weapons is not covered under citizens’ Second Amendment rights.

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http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/04/15/1867561/yoo-bolton-arms-trade-treaty/

As always, nothing but the highest quality, trustworthy people on the Repug/neo-con side. :lol

BobaFett1
04-16-2013, 08:43 AM
Liberals like you rather save a tree than a solider.:lmao

boutons_deux
04-16-2013, 08:52 AM
Liberals like you rather save a tree than a solider.:lmao

so you, typical for the ignorant bubba, have nothing to say on the OP?

BobaFett1
04-16-2013, 09:14 AM
so you, typical for the ignorant bubba, have nothing to say on the OP?

Just seeing you still blame Bush for your problems. I bet you still live at home and cannot find a job cause of Bush.

boutons_deux
04-16-2013, 09:19 AM
Just seeing you still blame Bush for your problems. I bet you still live at home and cannot find a job cause of Bush.

you ignorant fuck. Criminal blame is being placed on dubya, dickhead, rummy for THEIR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. has nothing to do with "my problems"

BobaFett1
04-16-2013, 09:22 AM
you ignorant fuck. Criminal blame is being placed on dubya, dickhead, rummy for THEIR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. has nothing to do with "my problems"

Listen I know you are a dumbass but Bush is not president anymore get over it. Move along lets look at Obama cover up on Beneghazi and Fast Furious. I am sure he knew nothing right?

boutons_deux
04-17-2013, 11:13 AM
The Other Face Of Political Violence

the decade of political violence organized and executed by the American government, and concerning the subsequent shameful abandonment by the current administration of its affirmative moral obligation to let the American people know fully what had been done in their name, and too often with their tacit and overt consent, and the degree to which we are all complicit in outright extrajudicial barbarism.


The sweeping, 577-page report says that while brutality has occurred in every American war, there never before had been "the kind of considered and detailed discussions that occurred after 9/11 directly involving a president and his top advisers on the wisdom, propriety and legality of inflicting pain and torment on some detainees in our custody." The study, by an 11-member panel convened by theConstitution Project, a legal research (http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/post-911-torture-report-041613#) and advocacy group, is to be released on Tuesday morning.

The United States Of America tortured people. It tortured a lot of people. It lied about torturing people. It lied about torturing a lot of people. It tortured on its own, and it subcontracted the job to countries with more experience at it, since the United States never had made torture a policy before. Within the government, the theory and practiced of torture was discussed by a bunch of bloodthirsty legal aesthetes the banality of whom would have shocked Hannah Arendt. Godwin be damned, these were people who acted like tiny Heydrichs at their own personal Wannsee, and they dragged us all into a moral abyss with them because not enough of us cried "Stop!" loudly enough even to prevent the re-election of the president who'd countenanced it.

But the report's main significance may be its attempt to assess what the United States government did in the years after 2001 and how it should be judged. The C.I.A. not only waterboarded prisoners, but slammed them into walls, chained them in uncomfortable positions for hours, stripped them of clothing and kept them awake for days on end. The question of whether those methods amounted to torture is a historically and legally momentous issue that has been debated for more than a decade inside and outside the government. The Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel wrote a series of legal opinions from 2002 to 2005 concluding that the methods were not torture if used under strict rules; all the memos were later withdrawn. News organizations have wrestled with whether to label the brutal methods unequivocally as torture in the face of some government officials' claims that they were not.

Simply put, the "government officials" were liars. I don't know when it became journalistic protocol to give the benefit of the doubt to people who lie to us, but that was not a good day for the First Amendment. But the final offense against democracy was not John Yoo's, or Dick Cheney's, or even that of old President C-Plus Augustus. It belongs to Barack Obama and his people.

Read more: Post 9/11 Torture Report - The Other Face Of Political Violence - Esquire (http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/post-911-torture-report-041613#ixzz2Qjnn9kBI) http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/post-911-torture-report-041613#ixzz2Qjnn9kBI

boutons_deux
04-17-2013, 11:15 AM
Listen I know you are a dumbass but Bush is not president anymore get over it. Move along lets look at Obama cover up on Beneghazi and Fast Furious. I am sure he knew nothing right?

Nazis aren't in power anymore, but the world hunted down Nazi war criminals for 70 years.

dubya, dickhead, etc are liars, murderers, war criminals, crimes against humanity, just like Nazis.

BobaFett1
04-17-2013, 09:35 PM
Nazis aren't in power anymore, but the world hunted down Nazi war criminals for 70 years.

dubya, dickhead, etc are liars, murderers, war criminals, crimes against humanity, just like Nazis.

If you think our ex president is truely a war criminal you have lost it,:loser