Let’s hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American

[DarrinS]

more specifically, a white American man

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_am erican/


This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read





As we now move into the official Political Aftermath period of the Boston bombing — the period that will determine the long-term legislative fallout of the atrocity — the dynamics of privilege will undoubtedly influence the nation’s collective reaction to the attacks. That’s because privilege tends to determine: 1) which groups are — and are not — collectively denigrated or targeted for the unlawful actions of individuals; and 2) how big and politically game-changing the overall reaction ends up being.

This has been most obvious in the context of recent mass shootings. In those awful episodes, a religious or ethnic minority group lacking such privilege would likely be collectively slandered and/or targeted with surveillance or profiling (or worse) if some of its individuals comprised most of the mass shooters. However, white male privilege means white men are not collectively denigrated/targeted for those shootings — even though most come at the hands of white dudes.

Likewise, in the context of terrorist attacks, such privilege means white non-Islamic terrorists are typically portrayed not as representative of whole groups or ideologies, but as “lone wolf” threats to be dealt with as isolated law enforcement matters. Meanwhile, non-white or developing-world terrorism suspects are often reflexively portrayed as representative of larger conspiracies, ideologies and religions that must be dealt with as systemic threats — the kind potentially requiring everything from law enforcement action to military operations to civil liberties legislation to foreign policy shifts.

“White privilege is knowing that even if the bomber turns out to be white, no one will call for your group to be profiled as terrorists as a result, subjected to special screening or threatened with deportation,” writes author Tim Wise. “White privilege is knowing that if this bomber turns out to be white, the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came, just to ensure that others like him or her don’t get any ideas. And if he turns out to be a member of the Irish Republican Army we won’t bomb Dublin. And if he’s an Italian-American Catholic we won’t bomb the Vatican.”


Because of these undeniable and pervasive double standards, the specific identity of the Boston Marathon bomber (or bombers) is not some minor detail — it will almost certainly dictate what kind of governmental, political and societal response we see in the coming weeks. That means regardless of your particular party affiliation, if you care about everything from stopping war to reducing the defense budget to protecting civil liberties to passing immigration reform, you should hope the bomber was a white domestic terrorist. Why? Because only in that case will privilege work to prevent the Boston attack from potentially undermining progress on those other issues.

To know that’s true is to simply consider how America reacts to different kinds of terrorism.

Though FBI data show fewer terrorist plots involving Muslims than terrorist plots involving non-Muslims, America has mobilized a full-on war effort exclusively against the prospect of Islamic terrorism. Indeed, the moniker “War on Terrorism” has come to specifically mean “War on Islamic Terrorism,” involving everything from new laws like the Patriot Act, to a new torture regime, to new federal agencies like the Transportation Security Administration and Department of Homeland Security, to wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to mass surveillance of Muslim communities.

By contrast, even though America has seen a consistent barrage of attacks from domestic non-Islamic terrorists, the privilege and double standards baked into our national security ideologies means those attacks have resulted in no systemic action of the scope marshaled against foreign terrorists. In fact, it has been quite the opposite — according to Darryl Johnson, the senior domestic terrorism analyst at the Department of Homeland Security, the conservative movement backlash to merely reporting the rising threat of such domestic terrorism resulted in DHS seriously curtailing its initiatives against that particular threat. (Irony alert: When it comes specifically to fighting white non-Muslim domestic terrorists, the right seems to now support the very doctrine it criticized Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry for articulating — the doctrine that sees fighting terrorism as primarily “an intelligence-gathering, law-enforcement, public-diplomacy effort” and not something more systemic.)

Enter the Boston bombing. Coming at the very moment the U.S. government is planning to withdraw from Afghanistan, considering cuts to the Pentagon budget, discussing civil liberties principles and debating landmark immigration legislation, the attack could easily become the fulcrum of all of those contentious policy debates — that is, depending on the demographic profile of the assailant.

If recent history is any guide, if the bomber ends up being a white anti-government extremist, white privilege will likely mean the attack is portrayed as just an isolated incident — one that has no bearing on any larger policy debates. Put another way, white privilege will work to not only insulate whites from collective blame, but also to insulate the political debate from any fallout from the attack.

It will probably be much different if the bomber ends up being a Muslim and/or a foreigner from the developing world. As we know from our own history, when those kind of individuals break laws in such a high-profile way, America often cites them as both proof that entire demographic groups must be targeted, and that therefore a more systemic response is warranted. At that point, it’s easy to imagine conservatives citing Boston as a reason to block immigration reform defense spending cuts and the Afghan War withdrawal and to further expand surveillance and other encroachments on civil liberties.

If that sounds hard to believe, just look at yesterday’s comments by right-wing radio host Laura Ingraham, whose talking points often become Republican Party doctrine. Though authorities haven’t even identified a suspect in the Boston attack, she (like other conservatives) seems to already assume the assailant is foreign, and is consequently citing the attack as rationale to slam the immigration reform bill.

The same Laura Ingraham, of course, was one of the leading voices criticizing the Department of Homeland Security for daring to even report on right-wing domestic terrorism. In that sense, she perfectly embodies the double standard that, more than anything, will determine the long-term political impact of the Boston bombing.

[boutons_deux]

if it's a white bubba rabid with anti-govt hate rabble, he'll be a loner, an outlier, unrelated to the Repug/VRWC/hate-media spewing govt hate and rabble rousing non stop for decades, and urelated to 100s of white racist/supremacist groups.

"He's an American, it's ok, all is forgiven. just a good ol' boy hating govt like all of us have been programmed to do"

if it's a Muslim, then it's necessarily a plugged-in member of the world-wide, coordinated, Muslim jihad that will reqire CIA to drone to death 1000s more innocents, and BigMedia, corporations, CIA, NSA, FBI, and the police state rape deeper Americans' privacy.

[clambake]

who do you hope did it, darrin?

[DarrinS]

who do you hope did it, darrin?


I just hope they find whoever did it.

[clambake]

good answer.

[Th'Pusher]

Darrin was disappointed that the Saudi was cleared.

[CosmicCowboy]

Probably a young black guy with baggy pants wearing a hoodie.

[boutons_deux]

No Rush to Judgment in Boston

The U.S. news media appears to have learned some painful lessons from past experiences about jumping to conclusions after terrorist incidents, and most pundits as well as journalists demonstrated more professional restraint in their coverage of the Boston Marathon bombing on Monday, the Patriots Day holiday in Massachusetts.

While there was speculation about a possible attack by Middle East terrorists, spurred by the questioning of a Saudi national, there were also timely observations about the significance of the date for American right-wing extremists.

http://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/boston-marathon-bombing-300x199.jpg (http://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/boston-marathon-bombing.jpg)

Shortly after two bombs exploded near the finish line of the Boston Marathon on April 15, 2013, people help remove the injured from the scene. (Photo credit: Aaron “tango” Tang via Wikipedia)

Not only is April 15 known as Tax Day because of the federal filing deadline,

but Patriots Day in Massachusetts honors the Minutemen who battled the British on April 19, 1775, the start of the Revolutionary War. Some right-wing extremists have hijacked such patriotic symbolism to justify violent attacks on the federal government.

Timothy McVeigh’s bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City was on April 19, 1995, which also was the second anniversary of the fiery conclusion of the Waco siege which began 50 days earlier when a heavily armed Christian sect engaged in a deadly shootout with federal agents arriving to serve a warrant to search for illegal guns.

Given the intense passions about gun control and the other significance of Patriots Day, the hesitancy to immediately blame “Muslim terrorists” represented an improvement over the recklessness that was common at such moments, especially in the 1990s when some “terrorism experts” regularly pointed their fingers in the wrong directions.

In flipping the channels on Monday evening and Tuesday morning, I did encounter some silly chatter criticizing President Barack Obama for not immediately condemning the twin bombings in Boston as “terrorism.” Obama apparently was being circumspect in his brief speech to the nation on Monday evening and did not want to enflame the situation with speculation.

The definition of terrorism is a violent act directed against civilians to achieve a political goal. While the Boston bombing was clearly a violent attack on civilians, it wasn’t immediately clear what the motivation was since no individual or group had credibly claimed responsibility for the attack.


In the absence of known motivation, one could not rule out the possibility of a single perpetrator acting out of personal rage or simply insanity, which might fall outside the rubric of terrorism. So, Obama’s caution appeared well-placed, since a presidential declaration prejudging some act as terrorism could have legal ramifications.

The pundit chatter over his choice of words, therefore, represented an example of a contrived “controversy,” sadly the sort of silliness that the news media seemed to be avoiding with its more careful handling of the tragedy in Boston.

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/04/16/no-rush-to-judgment-in-boston/

[DarrinS]

Darrin was disappointed that the Saudi was cleared.

Nope, just wouldn't be surprised if perp was Muslim.

Also wouldn't be surprised if it's just some right-wing (or left-wing) wacko.

[Spurminator]

more specifically, a white American man

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_am erican/

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read


What exactly do you disagree with? Seems like you're just reacting to the headline.

[DarrinS]

What exactly do you disagree with? Seems like you're just reacting to the headline.


I disagree that our response to 9/11 was because the perps were non-white and Muslim. I think it has more to do with precedent, the scale of the attack, and the large size of the organization.

In constrast, the attacks by groups like ELF are usally small in scale and they have a small membership.


Do you these FBI's most wanted terrorists are on this list because of the color of their skin?

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/@@wanted-group-listing

[TeyshaBlue]

I think Darrin has a valid point. OP is 5 gallons of stupid in a 3 gallon bucket.

[TeyshaBlue]

There's not enough internet to list the asinine logic fail of:
“White privilege is knowing that even if the bomber turns out to be white, no one will call for your group to be profiled as terrorists as a result, subjected to special screening or threatened with deportation,” writes author Tim Wise. “White privilege is knowing that if this bomber turns out to be white, the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came, just to ensure that others like him or her don’t get any ideas. And if he turns out to be a member of the Irish Republican Army we won’t bomb Dublin. And if he’s an Italian-American Catholic we won’t bomb the Vatican.”"

[boutons_deux]

"the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came, just to ensure that others like him or her don’t get any ideas. And if he turns out to be a member of the Irish Republican Army we won’t bomb Dublin. And if he’s an Italian-American Catholic we won’t bomb the Vatican."


All true. What's the problem?

white power, aka "The Man", and white privilege are indisputable.

Because America is becoming less Euro-American, and more Hispanic and Asian, the bubba whities are freaking out, paranoid marans, esp the high school grads and dropouts who are getting beat out and left out by the educated non-EA's taking the few good jobs.

[DarrinS]

ruh-roh



CNN Correspondent John King, a Boston native, said authorities have a clear video image of a “dark-skinned male” placing a bag at the second bomb site outside of the Forum restaurant on Boylston Street and then leaving the area before that explosion.

[rjv]

well they have someone in custody now

[lefty]

og course he is dark skinned :lol

[Wild Cobra]

og course he is dark skinned :lol
Yep, in my search for a name, all I find is "no name released so far" and "dark skinned suspect."

This Caucasian must have a real good tan.

[TeyshaBlue]

"the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came, just to ensure that others like him or her don’t get any ideas. And if he turns out to be a member of the Irish Republican Army we won’t bomb Dublin. And if he’s an Italian-American Catholic we won’t bomb the Vatican."


All true. What's the problem?

white power, aka "The Man", and white privilege are indisputable.

Because America is becoming less Euro-American, and more Hispanic and Asian, the bubba whities are freaking out, paranoid marans, esp the high school grads and dropouts who are getting beat out and left out by the educated non-EA's taking the few good jobs.




The problem is it's fucking retarded. Which is, of course, draws you to it like files on shit.:lmao

Nevermind the conflation of bombing a foreign target vs a domestic target. Nevermind you can't tie the ridiculous meme "white privilege" to the actions of the bombing. Nevermind the rest of your scared shitless schtick.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol boutons
lol simpleton

[boutons_deux]

you can't tie the ridiculous meme "white privilege"

nearly all of the bubba militia assholes are anti-govt, even "sovereign" WHITE supremacists

OKC bombing was white guys, attacking the govt.

[DarrinS]

Why is identifying someone as a "dark-skinned male" controversial?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/john-king-boston-bombing-dark-skinned-male-ifill_n_3102195.html


:lmao When did we become this damned politically correct?




CNN's John King caused some controversy on Wednesday when he said that a potential suspect in the Boston bombings was a "dark-skinned male."

King was the first to report that law enforcement officials had identified a suspect in Monday's bloody attacks.

"I want to be very careful about this, because people get very sensitive when you say these things," he said. "I was told by one of these sources who is a law enforcement official that this is a dark-skinned male."

He said that there had been a further description given, but he was refraining from sharing it with viewers.

"There are some people who will take offense for even saying that," he said. "I understand that."

"We can't say whether the person spoke with a foreign accent, or an American accent?" Wolf Blitzer asked. "That would be premature."

King repeated that he was only going to use the "dark-skinned male" description, saying that sometimes information did not turn out to be true.

"I'm making a personal judgment—forgive me, I think it's the right judgment—not to try to inflame tensions," King said. "They say it's a dark-skinned male."

[TeyshaBlue]

you can't tie the ridiculous meme "white privilege"

nearly all of the bubba militia assholes are anti-govt, even "sovereign" WHITE supremacists

OKC bombing was white guys, attacking the govt.




And this has exactly, what to do with the Boston bombing?

Nothing. Fucking retard.

[TeyshaBlue]

Why is identifying someone as a "dark-skinned male" controversial?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/john-king-boston-bombing-dark-skinned-male-ifill_n_3102195.html


:lmao When did we become this damned politically correct?

Considering the anti-Muslim hysteria after the OKC bombing coupled with the lunacy of the NY Post coverage, it seems that some circumspection is in order.

[ChumpDumper]

Why is identifying someone as a "dark-skinned male" controversial?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/john-king-boston-bombing-dark-skinned-male-ifill_n_3102195.html


:lmao When did we become this damned politically correct?I'd say it was when innocent people started getting gunned down because they were mistakenly associated with Muslim terrorists, you idiot.

[DarrinS]

Considering the anti-Muslim hysteria after the OKC bombing coupled with the lunacy of the NY Post coverage, it seems that some circumspection is in order.

I agree with this --- IF the description is wrong.

[boutons_deux]

And this has exactly, what to do with the Boston bombing?

Nothing. Fucking retard.

I didn't say any of your whitie right-wing assholes did the Boston bombing, forum policeman, stalker, GFY

BUT

the white, anti-govt, sovereign, supremacists spout a lot violent rhetoric. Like Nugent telling Barry to suck Nugent's gun, etc, etc.

they are as big a suspect as Muslims, and in fact a much bigger threat than Muslims.

If any Muslim groups spouted anti-govt violent rhetoric like whitie marans do, you and the FBI would be all over their case.

[TeyshaBlue]

Ok, so it's just another place for your scared shitless maran's stuff. Got it.

lol stalker.

lol simpleton.

[DarrinS]

hmmm.

Now this description emerges.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/04/17/authorities-appeals-for-help-solving-boston-marathon-bombings/

"The person seen on the video is described as being a white male and was wearing a white baseball hat, grey hoodie and a black jacket, CBS News reported."

“According to my sources, the man can be seen placing the backpack on the ground and he is on a cell phone call at the time,” Orr said. “While he’s on the phone, I’m told, an explosion takes place at the finish line of the race course. As soon as that blast went off, this man then, according to my sources, can be seen leaving that area and kind of just mingling in the crowd.”



Note: This description is NOT controversial

[Drachen]

hmmm.

Now this description emerges.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/04/17/authorities-appeals-for-help-solving-boston-marathon-bombings/

"The person seen on the video is described as being a white male and was wearing a white baseball hat, grey hoodie and a black jacket, CBS News reported."

“According to my sources, the man can be seen placing the backpack on the ground and he is on a cell phone call at the time,” Orr said. “While he’s on the phone, I’m told, an explosion takes place at the finish line of the race course. As soon as that blast went off, this man then, according to my sources, can be seen leaving that area and kind of just mingling in the crowd.”



Note: This description is NOT controversial


I know of at least 2 businesses in san antonio NW side (one of which went out of business after that) that had molotov cocktails thrown into them after 9/11 because the owners had a certain brown look to them. Now, I was only 15 at the time of the OKC bombing and maybe I wasn't aware of such retaliatory crimes, but I would be interested to hear about the similar situations after that event happening to guys who looked like Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

If none existed, or if they were on a much smaller scale than they were after 9/11, this could possibly be the reasoning why one is controversial and the other isn't.

[benstanfield]

What is important to note here is that American culture has an almost neurotic impulse to distinguish itself from anyone who commits these types of crimes - to establish the perpetrator as somehow deranged, or ideologically "not one of us". The effect of this is that Americans never challenge their core capitalist ideology; they never question whether their culture somehow perpetuates or colludes with such violence on an ideological level.

[Trill Clinton]

great article. bouy time we speak openly and honestly abouy these white domestic male terrorists who bomb federal buildings, shoot up innocent school children, movie goers and now bombing races.

white male privilege has run its course and its time we profile them like we do minorities before we have another tragedy.

[Avante]

At first I thought is was another radical Islamic fundamentalist, then it dawned on me that they are so far gone they blow thenmselves up also.

[ChumpDumper]

At first I thought is was another radical Islamic fundamentalist, then it dawned on me that they are so far gone they blow thenmselves up also.You're an idiot.

[cheguevara]

:lmao thinking the guy who placed the bombs is the sole responsible. Ppl don't learn. Ppl still think the JFK killing was all planned and executed by Oswald alone :lmao

what pathetic fucks the general american public are tbh

:lmao thinking 1 guy can not only build and carry but place 2 bombs and fire them almost simultaneously in broad daylight :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

It could be one person or more than one.

The real idiots are the ones who have their minds completely made up according to whatever propaganda they regularly push.

[cheguevara]

It could be one person or more than one.

The real idiots are the ones who have their minds completely made up according to whatever propaganda they regularly push.

and how does believing it was more than one person fuel my propaganda?

[ChumpDumper]

and how does believing it was more than one person fuel my propaganda?You got it backwards.

[cheguevara]

You got it backwards.

ok how does my propaganda fuel my belief it was more than 1 person?

[ChumpDumper]

ok how does my propaganda fuel my belief it was more than 1 person?Like so:


:lmao thinking the guy who placed the bombs is the sole responsible. Ppl don't learn. Ppl still think the JFK killing was all planned and executed by Oswald alone :lmao

what pathetic fucks the general american public are tbh

:lmao thinking 1 guy can not only build and carry but place 2 bombs and fire them almost simultaneously in broad daylight :lmao

[cheguevara]

disagree.

I posted why I believe it was more than 1 person, by using common sense. You are free to disagree thou. :tu

[TeyshaBlue]

Like so:

lol...pwnt

[TeyshaBlue]

:lmao thinking the guy who placed the bombs is the sole responsible. Ppl don't learn. Ppl still think the JFK killing was all planned and executed by Oswald alone :lmao

what pathetic fucks the general american public are tbh
Cute non sequitur


:lmao thinking 1 guy can not only build and carry but place 2 bombs and fire them almost simultaneously in broad daylight :lmao

Backpack + timers + legs.

It's not rocket science.

[ChumpDumper]

disagree. I can't expect you to understand how propaganda has affected you.

[mavs>spurs]

liberal america is openly racist against whites, specifically white men. these are things we already knew.

[cheguevara]

I can't expect you to understand how propaganda has affected you.

propaganda is what CNN and other news networks spew daily and you eat that up. I can't expect you to understand that either. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

propaganda is what CNN and other news networks spew daily and you eat that up. I can't expect you to understand that either. :tuGive me an example.

[TeyshaBlue]

Me and my terrorist buddies used to set off salvos of tennis ball cannons when I was about 10. We could each fire about 5 at a time. Even we could figure that out.

Ya'll are probably too young to know bout them, tho.:depressed

[cheguevara]

Give me an example.



http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/addul-rahman.jpg


He wasn't the target.

Bet you don't know who was.


what do you know! the hellfire missile aimed and launched itself! :lmao

:lmao :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao :lmaoThat isn't an example at all.

There was no reason to target the kid himself. There was quite compelling reasons to target the actual target of that strike.

I'm fairly certain you don't know who any of these people were, so I don't see how you think you can discuss this at all.

[cheguevara]

That isn't an example at all.

There was no reason to target the kid himself. There was quite compelling reasons to target the actual target of that strike.


:lol you think that because the media made you believe it. I'm fairly certain you don't realize and I don't expect you to understand how much you been affected by the propaganda.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol you think that because the media made you believe it. I'm fairly certain you don't realize and I don't expect you to understand how much you been affected by the propaganda.OK, name the person in the picture and explain why he was targeted over the other person who was killed in that strike, whom you will also name.

Seems like a piece of cake for you.

Go right ahead.

[cheguevara]

I would love to. Unfortunately you already seem to be sold to the media propaganda that he was not a target and that this type of collateral damage is acceptable when we are killing them. Those 2 tenets of the "war on terror" US propaganda, unfortunately, you already have them ingrained deep inside you. But again, I don't expect you to realize this or understand it.

[ChumpDumper]

I would love to. Unfortunately you already seem to be sold to the media propaganda that he was not a target and that this type of collateral damage is acceptable when we are killing them. Those 2 tenets of the "war on terror" US propaganda, unfortunately, you already have them ingrained deep inside you. But again, I don't expect you to realize this or understand it.If you can't even name them, just say so.

Ignorance is not a crime.

[cheguevara]

I have nothing, so I'll go ahead and ask random questions everyone knows the answer to. Maybe I'll win that way.

:rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

If you know the answer, just post the names and your rationale for the US's targeting one over the other.

You could have done this several times over by now since you know all this off the top of your head.

[cheguevara]

I'll keep insisting. God knows I have all the time in the world. This question game is all I got after all.

:rolleyes

[TeyshaBlue]

lol che not having a clue what he's talking about. Again.

[ChumpDumper]

I mean shit, I had to look up the names. It's not a source of shame. You could have spent this time googling instead of stonewalling.

[cheguevara]

I mean shit, I had to look up the names.

good. now that that's out of the way. Is his death acceptable to you?

[symple19]

I'll never understand why people allow themselves to get regularly humiliated by Chump. I'm glad they do, though, because its an amazing source of quality entertainment

[ChumpDumper]

good. now that that's out of the way. Is his death acceptable to you?Who?

There are two people at issue here. You'll have to give me a name.

[symple19]

Oh, and SA, you Che troll sucks

[cheguevara]

Who?

There are two people at issue here. You'll have to give me a name.

try to keep up.

never mentioned 2 people. Posted a pic of the person in question. Yes or No? is his death acceptable to you?

[ChumpDumper]

try to keep up.

never mentioned 2 people. Posted a pic of the person in question. Yes or No? is his death acceptable to you?Who is the person in the picture?

We are talking about two people who were killed in the same strike. I don't know which name goes to which face. Help me out here by giving the name of the person in the picture.

[cheguevara]

Who is the person in the picture?

:lol I thought you googled it


We are talking about two people who were killed in the same strike.

no we're not. you are.


I don't know which name goes to which face.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:lol I thought you googled itYes, I found two names of people killed in the same strike.


no we're not. you are.If you are only talking about one person here, give me his name so we can be on the same page.

[cheguevara]

:lmao you seemed to know who you were talking about when you posted this


He wasn't the target.



I mean shit, I had to look up the names.


Who is the person in the picture?
I don't know which name goes to which face.


give me his name so we can be on the same page.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-l4CjYAGqhfQ/UMd-pnQXFkI/AAAAAAAAGmU/DGEL06fg2c0/s1600/epicfail.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, and SA, you Che troll sucksPretty sure SA210 knew one of the names.

[ChumpDumper]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-l4CjYAGqhfQ/UMd-pnQXFkI/AAAAAAAAGmU/DGEL06fg2c0/s1600/epicfail.jpgSo you don't know either name?

That's OK. I don't know why you acted like you did.

[cheguevara]

He wasn't the target.


Who is the person in the picture?



:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[SA210]

:lmao you seemed to know who you were talking about when you posted this









http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-l4CjYAGqhfQ/UMd-pnQXFkI/AAAAAAAAGmU/DGEL06fg2c0/s1600/epicfail.jpg



:lmao:rollin ultimate pwnage

And I knew the dumpster couldn't keep my name out of his mouth or quit me (the meltdown that che caused made him mention my name), I was right lol

[SA210]

still :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Chump: 2
SA210: -2

Reason: circle jerking over a meme with smilies.

[SA210]

:cry I'm here to circle jerk and protect my idol Cummdumpster :cry

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Chump: 2
SA210: -4

Reason lack of originality, timing or coordination. General lack of skill.

[ChumpDumper]

So I'm the only one who knows both people?

I'd feel pretty superior about it if it hadn't been so damn easy.

[cheguevara]

:lmao:rollin ultimate pwnage

meh, nothing to be proud about really.

sadly same way he doesn't realize the effect of media propaganda on his poor trains of thought, he most likely doesn't realize and never will that he's just been undressed, digested and shitted out on the same thread

[Nbadan]

White privilege is knowing that even if the Boston Marathon bomber turns out...


White privilege is knowing that even if the Boston Marathon bomber turns out to be white, his or her identity will not result in white folks generally being singled out for suspicion by law enforcement, or the TSA, or the FBI.
White privilege is knowing that even if the bomber turns out to be white, no one will call for whites to be profiled as terrorists as a result, subjected to special screening, or threatened with deportation.

White privilege is knowing that if the bomber turns out to be white, he or she will be viewed as an exception to an otherwise non-white rule, an aberration, an anomaly, and that he or she will be able to join the ranks of Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols and Ted Kaczynski and Eric Rudolph and Joe Stack and George Metesky and Byron De La Beckwith and Bobby Frank Cherry and Thomas Blanton and Herman Frank Cash and Robert Chambliss and James von Brunn and Robert Mathews and David_Lane and Michael F. Griffin and Paul Hill and John Salvi and James Kopp and Luke Helder and James David Adkisson and Scott Roeder and Shelley Shannon and Wade Michael Page and Byron Williams and Kevin Harpham and William Krar and Judith Bruey and Edward Feltus and Raymond Kirk Dillard and Adam Lynn Cunningham and Bonnell Hughes and Randall Garrett Cole and James Ray McElroy and Michael Gorbey and Daniel Cowart and Paul Schlesselman and Frederick Thomas and Paul Ross Evans and Matt Goldsby and Jimmy Simmons and Kathy Simmons and Kaye Wiggins and Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe and David McMenemy and Bobby Joe Rogers and Francis Grady and Demetrius Van Crocker and Floyd Raymond Looker, among the pantheon of white people who engage in politically motivated violence meant to terrorize and kill, but whose actions result in the assumption of absolutely nothing about white people generally, or white Christians in particular.

And white privilege is being able to know nothing about the crimes committed by most of the terrorists listed above — indeed, never to have so much as heard most of their names — let alone to make assumptions about the role that their racial or ethnic identity may have played in their crimes.

White privilege is knowing that if the Boston bomber turns out to be white, we will not be asked to denounce him or her, so as to prove our own loyalties to the common national good. It is knowing that the next time a cop sees one of us standing on the sidewalk cheering on runners in a marathon, that cop will say exactly nothing to us as a result.

http://thewizardofox.tumblr.com/post/48255319713/white-privilege-is-knowing-that-even-if-the-boston

[Thread]

Let's hope this time the perp gets a trial and not murdered in cold blood like Bin Laden was. That's convenient and I have a MIL I'd like to be able to do likewise, but, it's not kosher. But, it's Hussein Obama so you know, it's okay.

[spursncowboys]

So...Che Guevara is a paranoid libertarian? :shootme

[ChumpDumper]

So...Che Guevara is a paranoid libertarian? :shootmeUltimate pwnage!

[RandomGuy]

more specifically, a white American man

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_am erican/


This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read

Hmmm.

Summarize the main idea of the article in a few sentences of your own.

I don't think you understand the thrust of the piece.

[RandomGuy]

I disagree that our response to 9/11 was because the perps were non-white and Muslim. I think it has more to do with precedent, the scale of the attack, and the large size of the organization.

In constrast, the attacks by groups like ELF are usally small in scale and they have a small membership.


Do you these FBI's most wanted terrorists are on this list because of the color of their skin?

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/@@wanted-group-listing

For the most part yes.

Problem though is that inter-racial events tend to cause people to freak out more, especially if the victim is white and the attackers black or hispanic, or said to be.

e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Central_Park_Five

[RandomGuy]

disagree.

I posted why I believe it was more than 1 person, by using common sense. You are free to disagree thou. :tu

WOW...
Begging the question fallacy
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/begging-the-question.html

Common Sense fallacy
http://corkskeptics.org/2011/05/03/the-common-sense-fallacy/

and....

Argument from ignorance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

All rolled up into one bit. A trifecta of bad reasoning.

Well played sir!

[CosmicCowboy]

The bombs were clearly intended to target whites. By the time the bombs went off all the blacks had already finished,

[TeyshaBlue]

Hmmm.

Summarize the main idea of the article in a few sentences of your own.

I don't think you understand the thrust of the piece.
As if the article didn't stand on it's own vapidity.


“White privilege is knowing that even if the bomber turns out to be white, no one will call for your group to be profiled as terrorists as a result, subjected to special screening or threatened with deportation,” writes author Tim Wise. “White privilege is knowing that if this bomber turns out to be white, the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came, just to ensure that others like him or her don’t get any ideas. And if he turns out to be a member of the Irish Republican Army we won’t bomb Dublin. And if he’s an Italian-American Catholic we won’t bomb the Vatican.”

I'm actually dumber for having read that tripe.

[RandomGuy]

I mean shit, I had to look up the names. It's not a source of shame. You could have spent this time googling instead of stonewalling.


I found them. Started with the URL of the jpeg, but found the kid in the picture and the "apparent" intended target. Took me about 3 or 4 minutes.

[RandomGuy]

meh, nothing to be proud about really.

sadly same way he doesn't realize the effect of media propaganda on his poor trains of thought, he most likely doesn't realize and never will that he's just been undressed, digested and shitted out on the same thread

That would sound a lot less hollow if you actually could type up a name to go with the picture. That you can't, even though it is in the URL of the picture itself is hilarious in it's stupidity.

[LnGrrrR]

Let's hope this time the perp gets a trial and not murdered in cold blood like Bin Laden was. That's convenient and I have a MIL I'd like to be able to do likewise, but, it's not kosher. But, it's Hussein Obama so you know, it's okay.

Agreed Culb.

[LnGrrrR]

The bombs were clearly intended to target whites. By the time the bombs went off all the blacks had already finished,


I'll admit, I snickered.

[boutons_deux]

Murdoch's shit paper NY Post incriminates a brownie

NY Post Publishes Front-Page Photo Falsely Linking High School Track Athlete to Boston Bombing

The New York Post published a front-page photo of a high school track athlete named Salah Barhoun, 17, sprayed with the headline “Bag Men,” linking two almost assuredly innocent people to the Boston marathon bombing. Seeing his face all over social media, Barhoun immediately went to the police.

Members of the Reddit Internet community originally identified the men in the photo as potential suspects, but quickly found one of their Facebook profiles, which seem to exonerate the two. As Gawker (http://gawker.com/5994955/?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow) reported, Barhoun, wearing a blue tracksuit in the Post’s cover photo, turns out to be a Moroccan-American middle-distance runner who likes Subway restaurants and The Hunger Games. At one point, he was planning to run in the marathon, but when he couldn't, went to watch instead.

Realizing that he was now being labeled a terrorist, Barhoun changed his Facebook name and posted some clarification his page.

Going to the court rightnow !! Shit is real . But u will see guys I’m did not do any thing
…
Back home ! Everything is fake but god is with me . (sic)


Even without Reddit’s amateur investigations, the men in the photo would still most likely have been cleared. CBS’ John Miller (http://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-ny-post-boston-marathon-suspect-photos-reddit-bombing-2013-4) noted today that the Post’s cover photo is not the same one he’s seen and that authorities plan to release later today.

http://www.alternet.org/media/ny-post-publishes-front-page-photo-falsely-linking-high-school-track-athlete-boston-bombing

[ChumpDumper]

I found them. Started with the URL of the jpeg, but found the kid in the picture and the "apparent" intended target. Took me about 3 or 4 minutes.the fact that the very people who act like they know the most about drone strikes actively resist educating themselves about drone strikes tells me everything I need to know about them

[Drachen]

The bombs were clearly intended to target whites. By the time the bombs went off all the blacks had already finished,

Maybe this was a way to save social security by only hitting the boomers or higher crossing the finish line

[Wild Cobra]

Maybe this was a way to save social security by only hitting the boomers or higher crossing the finish line
Yep, those young 49 year Boomers can kick the ass of a gen X'er any day.

[Drachen]

Yep, those young 49 year Boomers can kick the ass of a gen X'er any day.

stick to your candid appraisals of situations if you want to try humor again.

[Wild Cobra]

stick to your candid appraisals of situations if you want to try humor again.
Stick it up your ass. It's silly to think that with the youngest of the boomers, at 49, they are all finishing the race first. It is less silly to think boomers are better than Gen X.

[Spurminator]

I hope the NY Post gets its pants sued off.

[ChumpDumper]

Stick it up your ass. It's silly to think that with the youngest of the boomers, at 49, they are all finishing the race first. It is less silly to think boomers are better than Gen X.Eh, the boomers squandered this nation's wealth cultivated the culture of entitlement for generations to come.

Good job. :tu

And yeah, WTF is up with the NY Post doubling down on horrible journalism? It's like Wild Cobra is the editor in chief this week.

[cheguevara]

That would sound a lot less hollow if you actually could type up a name to go with the picture. That you can't, even though it is in the URL of the picture itself is hilarious in it's stupidity.

:lmao concluding that refusing to answer a question = ignorance

with those powers of deduction, you should be a journalist for CNN :lol

I only play question games when I feel like it. Not that I expect you to understand the intricacies of making decisions on your own. God knows the mainstream media has spoonfed your decision making throughout most of your life.

[TeyshaBlue]

:lmao concluding that refusing to answer a question = ignorance

with those powers of deduction, you should be a journalist for CNN :lol

I only play question games when I feel like it. Not that I expect you to understand the intricacies of making decisions on your own. God knows the mainstream media has spoonfed your decision making throughout most of your life.
lol coward.

[hater]

let's hope it's a chinese tbh

lol

[cheguevara]

I'm a coward.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol coward

[cheguevara]

I'm still a coward X infinity

:lol

[DarrinS]

FBI releases photos and video

http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston


M80DXI932OE

[TeyshaBlue]

:lol

lol coward.

[RandomGuy]

:lmao concluding that refusing to answer a question = ignorance

with those powers of deduction, you should be a journalist for CNN :lol

I only play question games when I feel like it. Not that I expect you to understand the intricacies of making decisions on your own. God knows the mainstream media has spoonfed your decision making throughout most of your life.

"I could have answered, I just chose not to".

uh-huh.

Well meant and freely given:

Playing such games establishes some intellectual credibility, even if you might think it is silly. The lack of intellectual credibility is why most people assign the theories you seem to be promoting very little importance.

FWIW, I am bothered by the drone program and find it to be unacceptable to me. I agree with you for the most part on this.

Such strikes should be carried out under VERY limited circumstances. Further, beyond the ethical and legal challengesI think our current regimin is ultimately harming our best interests in teh long run.

[RandomGuy]

FBI releases photos and video

http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston


M80DXI932OE

Interesting.

My "these look like infowars.com devotees" sense is tingling.

That would be ironic, hilarious, and disturbing all at once. I wonder what Alex Jones' erratic followers would make of that. By "wonder" I mean I know exactly what they would make of that, i.e. total validation of their worldview.

[Spurminator]

Backwards hats just became even less cool.

[cheguevara]

"I could have answered, I just chose not to".

uh-huh.

Well meant and freely given:

Playing such games establishes some intellectual credibility, even if you might think it is silly. The lack of intellectual credibility is why most people assign the theories you seem to be promoting very little importance.

FWIW, I am bothered by the drone program and find it to be unacceptable to me. I agree with you for the most part on this.

Such strikes should be carried out under VERY limited circumstances. Further, beyond the ethical and legal challengesI think our current regimin is ultimately harming our best interests in teh long run.

fair enough. I automatically assume anyone with over 1000 posts here is intellectually capable of using a google search. No need to verify this. I have no problem obliging most time, but when I don't feel like it, I won't. Especially since I know the poster was playing one of his famous question games.

That picture was posted in another thread where said poster automatically replied "he was not a target". After called out on it, the poster preidctably employed his last resort, the question game.

[vy65]

brown people are so fucked

[RandomGuy]

fair enough. I automatically assume anyone with over 1000 posts here is intellectually capable of using a google search. No need to verify this. I have no problem obliging most time, but when I don't feel like it, I won't. Especially since I know the poster was playing one of his famous question games.

That picture was posted in another thread where said poster automatically replied "he was not a target". After called out on it, the poster preidctably employed his last resort, the question game.

Juvenile boys are not targeted for drone strikes by any reading I have ever done of the criteria for targeting. Given no contravening evidence "he was not a target" it is a fair assumption/statement to make.

The onus would be on the person to prove that a juvenile boy was specifically targeted.

[cheguevara]

Juvenile boys are not targeted for drone strikes by any reading I have ever done of the criteria for targeting. Given no contravening evidence "he was not a target" it is a fair assumption/statement to make.

The onus would be on the person to prove that a juvenile boy was specifically targeted.

one could easily argue, if you aim a hellfire rocket at a group of people or a building with people, are they not all targets? if they aren't, then that means you are knowingly killing non-targets.

to me the 'is not a target' means nothing. The civilian was in the crosseye of the shooter and the shooter still fired. 'he was not a target' lmao that is nothing but bullshit military/media propaganda.

we finally arrive at my point, the automatic regurgitation of 'he was not a target' is proof that media propaganda is part of the poster's psyche.

[ChumpDumper]

one could easily argue, if you aim a hellfire rocket at a group of people or a building with people, are they not all targets? if they aren't, then that means you are knowingly killing non-targets.

to me the 'is not a target' means nothing. The civilian was in the crosseye of the shooter and the shooter still fired.Took you almost a full day to come up with that excuse for not knowing the people involved?

E for effort, I guess.

[cheguevara]

um ok..




He wasn't the target.



I mean shit, I had to look up the names.



Who is the person in the picture?
I don't know which name goes to which face.



give me his name so we can be on the same page.

[ChumpDumper]

um ok..Hey, you don't know anything about this. It's not a crime. It's just pretty infantile to actively refuse to know anything about it after spouting off.

Hell, I could be totally wrong about who is in the picture. I didn't look it up the way RG did.

[cheguevara]

It's just pretty infantile to actively refuse to know anything about it after spouting off.




He wasn't the target.



Who is the person in the picture?



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg/300px-Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg

[SA210]

one could easily argue, if you aim a hellfire rocket at a group of people or a building with people, are they not all targets? if they aren't, then that means you are knowingly killing non-targets.

to me the 'is not a target' means nothing. The civilian was in the crosseye of the shooter and the shooter still fired. 'he was not a target' lmao that is nothing but bullshit military/media propaganda.

we finally arrive at my point, the automatic regurgitation of 'he was not a target' is proof that media propaganda is part of the poster's psyche.


:tu

[ChumpDumper]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg/300px-Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpgSo who do you think the guy in the picture is?

Let's verify your knowledge and compare it to who I think it is.

[spursncowboys]

I'll admit, I snickered.
Same. BTW how do you get through the military block at work to go on ST? I'm having trouble.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Same. BTW how do you get through the military block at work to go on ST? I'm having trouble.
Have you tried proxy servers? Whenever something is blocked at work I use a proxy server.

[RandomGuy]

one could easily argue, if you aim a hellfire rocket at a group of people or a building with people, are they not all targets? if they aren't, then that means you are knowingly killing non-targets.

to me the 'is not a target' means nothing. The civilian was in the crosseye of the shooter and the shooter still fired. 'he was not a target' lmao that is nothing but bullshit military/media propaganda.

we finally arrive at my point, the automatic regurgitation of 'he was not a target' is proof that media propaganda is part of the poster's psyche.

One could easily argue a lot of things.

In this case though, I am somewhat inclined to agree with you as well.

If you want to define "targeted" as anyone who was considered "acceptable collateral damage", then you should have said so in the beginning. Heck, Chump might even buy into that, if put in a non-hand wavy way.

I would ask you both, let's say there is a guy who is on record as advocating the mass killing of Americans, and has taken part, in some small way, in at least one plot, according to the best available intelligence.

What would be acceptable to either of you in terms of collateral damage? Chump? Che?

What do we do about someone who is almost unreachable in a lawless sympathetic coutnry, but not worth a Bin Laden style manhunt?

[RandomGuy]

Same. BTW how do you get through the military block at work to go on ST? I'm having trouble.

Many smart phones can act as internet portals, depending on where you are. A laptop or the phone itself will work.

[spursncowboys]

Have you tried proxy servers? Whenever something is blocked at work I use a proxy server.
Yeah I found one a while back that worked and I can't find it. All the others don't.

[spursncowboys]

Many smart phones can act as internet portals, depending on where you are. A laptop or the phone itself will work.
I do use it sometimes but get tired of autocorrect on swype

[cheguevara]

FBI releases photos and video

http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston


M80DXI932OE

:lmao FBI and the rest resorting to Social Media to solve their crimes

What ever happened to good old fashioned investigative work, forensic and working the field and going by the book?

this fucking internet generation is fucking pathetic. Fucking FBI agents combing the internet for clues when they should be combing the streets :lmao

sad times we live in

seriously, just because the american public and Dronebama want heads to roll, they have to go social media on this? Russian Intelligence student Popovich is not pleased

[spursncowboys]

atleast they didn't use wikepedia

[Samuel Eto'o]

:lmao FBI and the rest resorting to Social Media to solve their crimes

What ever happened to good old fashioned investigative work, forensic and working the field and going by the book?

this fucking internet generation is fucking pathetic. Fucking FBI agents combing the internet for clues when they should be combing the streets :lmao

sad times we live in

seriously, just because the american public and Dronebama want heads to roll, they have to go social media on this? Russian Intelligence student Popovich is not pleased

You act like the FBI just sent this out and then sat back in their chairs and refreshed their twitter page for the rest of the day. Why wouldn't they use every source at their disposal, especially when one of those sources is hundreds of people with cameras at the scene they could have a key to breaking the case as soon as possible.

Seriously, you are one of the dumbest fucking people whose existence I have ever been aware of.

[cheguevara]

You act like the FBI just sent this out and then sat back in their chairs and refreshed their twitter page for the rest of the day. Why wouldn't they use every source at their disposal, especially when one of those sources is hundreds of people with cameras at the scene they could have a key to breaking the case as soon as possible.


:rolleyes and as soon as posible, the real terrorists might be far, far from here. There was a time when criminal investigations were kept in the DL

but go ahead and believe the PIs working out of their PJs at home can break the case :lmao

do you even know how a criminal investigation works? it is based on physical evidence and leads, not "@"dickhead tweeting the pic of a brownie in a backpack :lol

[cheguevara]

atleast they didn't use wikepedia

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

:rolleyes and as soon as posible, the real terrorists might be far, far from here. There was a time when criminal investigations were kept in the DL

but go ahead and believe the PIs working out of their PJs at home can break the case :lmao

do you even know how a criminal investigation works? it is based on physical evidence and leads, not "@"dickhead tweeting the pic of a brownie in a backpack :lolOK, tell us how you would run this criminal investigation.

[BobaFett1]

:lol

cheguevara you were was captured by CIA-assisted Bolivian forces and summarily executed. How you get out of that?>

[Samuel Eto'o]

:rolleyes and as soon as posible, the real terrorists might be far, far from here. There was a time when criminal investigations were kept in the DL

:lol how are they supposed to get it on the "DL" that they are investing a fucking bombing.




do you even know how a criminal investigation works? it is based on physical evidence and leads,



Exactly. If someone was filming their friend cross the finish line and happened to catch a good glimpse of the suspect, then that tape is evidence.

[cheguevara]

OK, tell us how you would run this criminal investigation.

thank you. someone gets it. As I said, leave that to the professionals and all the pseudo ivestigators go back to what they're good at, tweeting and theorizing on Kardasian's next STD infection

[cheguevara]

:lol how are they supposed to get it on the "DL" that they are investing a fucking bombing.



Exactly. If someone was filming their friend cross the finish line and happened to catch a good glimpse of the suspect, then that tape is evidence.

sure don't get me wrong. I agree social media has its uses, but tweeting every break in the case and posting pictures of random fools is just going to help the bad guys IMO.

[ChumpDumper]

thank you. someone gets it. As I said, leave that to the professionals and all the pseudo ivestigators go back to what they're good at, tweeting and theorizing on Kardasian's next STD infectionBut wait, those are the professionals asking for information -- something they do in every high profile case with hundreds of possible witnesses.

The difference between this investigation and others really hasn't been established other than the delivery method of some of the tips.

[cheguevara]

But wait, those are the professionals asking for information -- something they do in every high profile case with hundreds of possible witnesses.

The difference between this investigation and others really hasn't been established other than the delivery method of some of the tips.

IMO the way they are using this new delivery method is not really a 1 way delivery method anymore. It is more like a conversation, and the speed of it makes it almost like a real time conversation. That's my point. It's completely different. COuld it affect the investigation? sure, the amount of new leads each day could make investigators abandon loose ends that they would have pursued without social media

[ElNono]

You can't win... if they keep it in the down low, then it's "What's the government hiding?"... if they go public... "LOL, amateurs"

[ChumpDumper]

IMO the way they are using this new delivery method is not really a 1 way delivery method anymore. It is more like a conversation, and the speed of it makes it almost like a real time conversation. That's my point. It's completely different. COuld it affect the investigation? sure, the amount of new leads each day could make investigators abandon loose ends that they would have pursued without social mediaNot terribly different from opening a hotline or posting a web address for tips, which has been done for years.

[TDMVPDPOY]

But wait, those are the professionals asking for information -- something they do in every high profile case with hundreds of possible witnesses.

The difference between this investigation and others really hasn't been established other than the delivery method of some of the tips.

so why does the public has access to such images and video footage ahead of the investigators and already ahead of the investigating, using that as evidence and source for lead?

remember the good old days where they would go off on assumptions and base it on that...

[cheguevara]

Not terribly different from opening a hotline or posting a web address for tips, which has been done for years.

when have media outlets posted images of a hotline/web tip before they even reach the FBI?

[ChumpDumper]

so why does the public has access to such images and video footage ahead of the investigators and already ahead of the investigating, using that as evidence and source for lead?What is your proof the public had the images and video before the investigators.

Sure they posted all their pictures of anyone with a backpack that day first; no one is denying their premature ejaculation.

[ElNono]

when have media outlets posted images of a hotline/web tip before they even reach the FBI?

really?

http://www.foxrio2.com/42542/state-increases-reward-for-one-of-texas-most-wanted/

[ChumpDumper]

when have media outlets posted images of a hotline/web tip before they even reach the FBI?When they get them first.

[cheguevara]

When they get them first.

on a daily, no hourly basis?

[ElNono]

really?

http://www.foxrio2.com/42542/state-increases-reward-for-one-of-texas-most-wanted/

EDIT: Missed the "before they even reach the FBI" part... disregard

[Drachen]

This is pretty fucking funny that someone is complaining very loudly about the way investigations have always taken place since, all of a sudden, that person realized that the internet is fast.

[ChumpDumper]

on a daily, no hourly basis?Yes.

[cheguevara]

Yes.

examples?

[ChumpDumper]

examples?Pretty much any breaking story on 24-hour news channels with live coverage at the scene.

You've really never seen a witness to a crime talk to the media?

[cheguevara]

thankfully it seems I am not alone:

http://mashable.com/2013/04/18/boston-bombings-wild-west-of-social-media/

It has been three days since the devastating bombings at the Boston marathon. No suspects have been named or are in custody. The web has begun to consume itself, gnawing on its own tail in search of comfort and answers. Until authorities find the bastards who did this, it should be a harmless exercise. But it’s not.

As I write this, Reddit users are frantically trying to stamp out a fire they started. What seemed like a good idea at the time — crowdsourcing an investigation of video and photo forensic evidence — has spun out of control.

A recent post on the site gives you an idea of where things are:

“the two Males that the media have claimed the FBI are looking for are local guys and appear to be innocent. PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY MORE ON THEM, ESPECIALLY LINKS TO NEWS SITES THAT IDENTIFIES THEM.

Since shortly after the bombings occurred at the finish line of the Boston marathon Monday, Redditors have used the subreddit “FindBostonBombers” to examine countless images for clues. As a public event, there’s probably a far greater supply of amateur photos, videos, Instagrams and even Vines that can tell authorities something about the tragic event. In fact, that was one of my first questions that day. I worried about how people could get their media to the FBI. YouTube quickly set up a space for people to upload videos. This was a good and very smart move.

On Reddit, however, you can see the problem almost immediately. From another post in the subreddit:

Image overlay of white hat and blue jogging suit suspects standing at Ground Zero

What’s wrong with that post? The use of the word “suspect.” For some Redditors, everyone in these photos is a potential suspect, and they’re quickly targeting people and then launching social media investigations. :lmao :lmao

[cheguevara]

:lmao CNN :lmao

Reddit went into overdrive trying to catch these monsters before the FBI. Meanwhile, the media was playing a different game of "First."

As I mentioned earlier, there are, at the time of this writing, still no official suspects nor is anyone in custody. But for a few hours Wednesday, social media, primarily Twitter, was bursting with conflicting information about whether the FBI had anyone in custody.

CNN kicked it off by inaccurately reporting the FBI had collared a suspect.

Social media did the rest. No one wants to be the second source to share this information, so thousands on social media, mostly Twitter, began sharing the news. It took almost an hour and a half for CNN to reverse its earlier report. The FBI even put out a statement begging the media to "exercise caution."

Up until that moment, Twitter was a sea of confusion. Tweets stating suspects were in custody were followed by ones stating that information was untrue, only to be followed by others insisting it was.

[Drachen]

thankfully it seems I am not alone:

http://mashable.com/2013/04/18/boston-bombings-wild-west-of-social-media/

It has been three days since the devastating bombings at the Boston marathon. No suspects have been named or are in custody. The web has begun to consume itself, gnawing on its own tail in search of comfort and answers. Until authorities find the bastards who did this, it should be a harmless exercise. But it’s not.

As I write this, Reddit users are frantically trying to stamp out a fire they started. What seemed like a good idea at the time — crowdsourcing an investigation of video and photo forensic evidence — has spun out of control.

A recent post on the site gives you an idea of where things are:

“the two Males that the media have claimed the FBI are looking for are local guys and appear to be innocent. PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY MORE ON THEM, ESPECIALLY LINKS TO NEWS SITES THAT IDENTIFIES THEM.

Since shortly after the bombings occurred at the finish line of the Boston marathon Monday, Redditors have used the subreddit “FindBostonBombers” to examine countless images for clues. As a public event, there’s probably a far greater supply of amateur photos, videos, Instagrams and even Vines that can tell authorities something about the tragic event. In fact, that was one of my first questions that day. I worried about how people could get their media to the FBI. YouTube quickly set up a space for people to upload videos. This was a good and very smart move.

On Reddit, however, you can see the problem almost immediately. From another post in the subreddit:

Image overlay of white hat and blue jogging suit suspects standing at Ground Zero

What’s wrong with that post? The use of the word “suspect.” For some Redditors, everyone in these photos is a potential suspect, and they’re quickly targeting people and then launching social media investigations. :lmao :lmao


Oh, I thought that you were mad at the way that the FBI was conducting the investigation not that you were mad that a bunch of people took it upon themselves to start looking. Maybe we have been arguing past each other this whole time.

[cheguevara]

Oh, I thought that you were mad at the way that the FBI was conducting the investigation not that you were mad that a bunch of people took it upon themselves to start looking. Maybe we have been arguing past each other this whole time.

yes and no. My point is the resources that are being used to crunch the data from social media(because the software to do automatically this does not exist yet) could possibly be used in a more efficient way.

[ElNono]

yes and no. My point is the resources that are being used to crunch the data from social media(because the software to do automatically this does not exist yet) could possibly be used in a more efficient way.

it's called crowdsourcing, and it's much more common than you seemingly think. It's also much older than the bombings, and has been used for all sort of stuff. From solving crimes to solving shredded-paper competitions from DARPA.

look it up

[DarrinS]

yes and no. My point is the resources that are being used to crunch the data from social media(because the software to do automatically this does not exist yet) could possibly be used in a more efficient way.

Facial recognition software is very good -- so good that Google image search no longer uses it out of privacy concerns.

[DarrinS]

it's called crowdsourcing, and it's much more common than you seemingly think. It's also much older than the bombings, and has been used for all sort of stuff. From solving crimes to solving shredded-paper competitions from DARPA.

look it up


Yep

[cheguevara]

:rolleyes

again look up stovepiping. that issue has not been solved and the more data the more it affects automatic monitoring/investigations

shit, it's partially responsible for 911

[ElNono]

Stovepiping has nothing to do with automated processing or the amount of data. You can have one single unit of data (ie: a report) that contains false data, and because it was not vetted, wrong decisions are made with it.

Automated processing of vast amounts of data has actually become darn good (like Darrin said, face recognition, even on moving subjects, has become amazingly good), but everyone, including LE, knows it's not a flawless method, and after the automated process has combed through the mass, actual vetting by a human isn't out of the question.

But there's no indication here that the FBI isn't doing their due diligence. As a matter of fact, from what I've seen so far, the FBI suspects don't match neither the Reddit alleged suspects nor the Alex Jones alleged suspects.

[LnGrrrR]

Same. BTW how do you get through the military block at work to go on ST? I'm having trouble.

Not blocked on the AF networks yet. They allow most bulletin boards actually. And DoK, proxies ARE blocked... hell, that's one of the first things they should block at your work. If you can use website proxies, your IT guy sucks. :lol

[cheguevara]

Stovepiping has nothing to do with automated processing or the amount of data. You can have one single unit of data (ie: a report) that contains false data, and because it was not vetted, wrong decisions are made with it.

Automated processing of vast amounts of data has actually become darn good (like Darrin said, face recognition, even on moving subjects, has become amazingly good), but everyone, including LE, knows it's not a flawless method, and after the automated process has combed through the mass, actual vetting by a human isn't out of the question.

But there's no indication here that the FBI isn't doing their due diligence. As a matter of fact, from what I've seen so far, the FBI suspects don't match neither the Reddit alleged suspects nor the Alex Jones alleged suspects.

um so because their suspects don't match reddit/whoever's they are doing the right job? Nobody knows for sure. And in the past there are examples of major errors (911) have these errors been completely solved? nope, there is no evidence of that. So is there a possibility these errors could happen again? yes.

and the issue with stovepiping has to do with compartmentalization of data specifically. each agency has their own silo and rarely share it with anyone else

[BobaFett1]

Something tells me everyone in the govt, including Deval Patrick, Obama, and DHS, had fore-knowledge of this attack...but because this event is so huge the chance was taken to go ahead and let it happen and they would try to find these guys, whoever they might be, before they could plant anything or the bombs went off. This would account for the "para-military" looking individuals, which the FBI won't even acknowledge, who were photographed in the area, as well as the dog sweeps and increased police presence.

[LnGrrrR]

it's called crowdsourcing, and it's much more common than you seemingly think. It's also much older than the bombings, and has been used for all sort of stuff. From solving crimes to solving shredded-paper competitions from DARPA.

look it up

That shredded paper challenge was insane. I dloaded it just to take a look, opened the sixth challenge, and said, "Nope, not smart enough." :D

[ElNono]

um so because their suspects don't match reddit/whoever's they are doing the right job? Nobody knows for sure.

I said they're doing their due diligence. What I'm merely pointing out is that they apparently didn't think the 'social media' leads were credible enough to warrant looking for those guys.

The outcome of the investigation will determine if they did a good job or not.


And in the past there are examples of major errors (911) have these errors been completely solved? nope, there is no evidence of that. So is there a possibility these errors could happen again? yes.

There's always margins for error and there always will be. This isn't a novel argument. What technology allows is to tackle much bigger problems than what you could tackle in the past. But it's no silver-bullet. Even the best automated systems have error margins.

Technologically speaking, we're lightyears ahead of 2001, and there's plenty of evidence that the government has kept up on that aspect (increased use of cross-databases, surveillance, internet monitoring, etc).

All that said, it's very difficult to stop determined people from doing harm. I don't know that I would characterize that as a 'major error'. Mind reading still doesn't exist.


and the issue with stovepiping has to do with compartmentalization of data specifically. each agency has their own silo and rarely share it with anyone else

That's more of a case where the intelligence is classified (like in 911). This is a different case, where the public did have access to photos and videos.

[cheguevara]

I said they're doing their due diligence.

how do you know for sure? truth is nobody knows for sure.



The outcome of the investigation will determine if they did a good job or not.

yes and no. But let's assume we agree for now.




Technologically speaking, we're lightyears ahead of 2001, and there's plenty of evidence that the government has kept up on that aspect (increased use of cross-databases, surveillance, internet monitoring, etc).


yessir but the volume of data today is lightyears bigger than in 2001 and keeps growing exponentially

[ElNono]

how do you know for sure? truth is nobody knows for sure.

due diligence - noun

1: the care that a reasonable person exercises to avoid harm to other persons

They could've easily taken the 'social media' suspects and ran with it. The fact that they didn't, IMO, is an indicator that they're being careful in what they're doing and who they're seeking information about.

Which is the right thing to do. Conversely, what the NYPost did, printing a picture of a poor kid that had nothing to do with it is not doing your due-diligence.


yessir but the volume of data today is lightyears bigger than in 2001 and keeps growing exponentially

I don't know about that. You would have to make a compelling case that people took exponentially more photos or videos of the 2001 Boston Marathon than they did in, say, 2012.

What we do have is much faster communication and much more accessibility to all that data. But we also have much better ways to handle that data.

Technologically speaking, 'big data', as it's known now in the tech sector, wasn't much in the radar outside of companies like Google back in 2001.

Nowadays, it's a well known and researched subject and there's many more companies and technology developed to tackle it. From deep packet inspection to massive databases, it's an area that has actually developed at a big pace in the past decade.

There's obviously much more work to be done, but the current state of the art was simply unthinkable a decade ago.

[Winehole23]

Something tells me everyone in the govt, including Deval Patrick, Obama, and DHS, had fore-knowledge of this attack...Infowars?

[Winehole23]

a hunch?

[baseline bum]

:cry hopes dashed :cry

[CosmicCowboy]

Breaking news bombers are from Chechnya.


An Associated Press alert has stated that the Boston bomb suspects are from Russia from the region near Chechnya and lived in US at least 1 year.

The Boston bomb suspect who is still being searched for has been identified as 19-year-old Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, from Cambridge, Massachusetts, reported AP.

“The two suspects are believed to be from Chechnya or Turkey. The two men are not students, are legal permanent residents of the US,” reported CBS News.

NBC meanwhile reported that the two suspects are allegedly brothers.

[CosmicCowboy]

Other brother killed in shootout...1 police killed? MIT campus police?

[Wild Cobra]

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Misc/BostonBomber_zps672cc3ef.png (http://vk.com/id160300242)

[CosmicCowboy]

World view...Islam

[Wild Cobra]

World view...Islam
Go figure, huh...

[CosmicCowboy]

Suspects in MIT shooting are marathon bombers

WATERTOWN, Mass. —One suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings was killed early Friday morning, while the second suspect was being sought following the killing of an MIT Police officer and an attack on police officers in Watertown that involved grenades, other explosives and gunfire.
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The Associated Press reported that the suspects were from a Russia region near Chechnya, and had lived in the United States for at least 1 year.

The man known as suspect No. 2, the man seen in widely-distributed FBI surveillance photos wearing the white hat, is the suspect being sought. The Associated Press identified him as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge.

Sources called the situation "fluid and dangerous."

"We believe this to be a terrorist," Ed Davis said at an early morning news conference. "We believe this to be a man who came here to kill people."

The two bombing suspects were chased into Watertown following the fatal shooting of an MIT Police officer and the carjacking of another person.

During the pursuit, grenades and other explosives were thrown from car by the suspects and gunfire was exchanged in the area of Dexter and Laurel streets.

"A bomb went off with a huge cloud of smoke, with another bomb and then it was even more chaos on the corner where they kept firing. And there was a black Mercedes SUV that stormed through the corner and hit a police cruiser. And right after that occurred, I saw a police officer, he had his foot on the dead suspect with the gun pointed at him," said Mike Julakis, who lives on Dexter Avenue in Watertown.

Doctors at Beth Israel-Deaconess Medical Center, while not confirming they treated the bombing suspect, said the man, who was pronounced dead at 1:35 a.m., had blast wounds.






Read more: http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/Boston-Marathon-suspect-killed-second-sought-after-Watertown-explosions-gunfire/-/11971628/19812240/-/8jn3t7/-/index.html#ixzz2QuMtovPE

[Wild Cobra]

Grenades...

A lot of good more gun control laws would have done!

[Wild Cobra]

OMG...

His followers were 12 when i took the clip, they are now at 38!

[Wild Cobra]

I'm starting to wonder if that's a fake page. This was added to the "send gifts." Not that alone, but the image was updated yesterday...

http://vk.com/images/gifts/48/101.png

[DarrinS]

Wow. That was quick

[CosmicCowboy]

Apparently they were planting more bombs.

[CosmicCowboy]

Hope they catch the other one alive.

So would torture be appropriate to find out where they hid all the bombs?

[spursncowboys]

Not blocked on the AF networks yet. They allow most bulletin boards actually. And DoK, proxies ARE blocked... hell, that's one of the first things they should block at your work. If you can use website proxies, your IT guy sucks. :lol
It's funny that they don't block facebook here but block forums. My main job right now is to help with AER loans and they have priceline and websites like that blocked. Makes me want to sing the Army song. God bless officers!

[LnGrrrR]

It's funny that they don't block facebook here but block forums. My main job right now is to help with AER loans and they have priceline and websites like that blocked. Makes me want to sing the Army song. God bless officers!

If it's for official use, you should be able to submit an exception to policy for it. Try going to the website, and there should be information on why it's blocked and how to generate the exemption.

[ChumpDumper]

Hope they catch the other one alive.

So would torture be appropriate to find out where they hid all the bombs?You watched too much 24.

[CosmicCowboy]

You watched too much 24.

:lol


shoot him in the knee!

[ElNono]

This is why you need to ship all those damn immigrants back home, tbh... crazy people

[RandomGuy]

IMO the way they are using this new delivery method is not really a 1 way delivery method anymore. It is more like a conversation, and the speed of it makes it almost like a real time conversation. That's my point. It's completely different. COuld it affect the investigation? sure, the amount of new leads each day could make investigators abandon loose ends that they would have pursued without social media

With the exception in this case tha the video released did seem to lead to the people who did it.

[CosmicCowboy]

With the exception in this case tha the video released did seem to lead to the people who did it.

Sounds like the video release panicked them into making stupid mistakes.

[ElNono]

Yeah, can't complain about the FBI this time... they seemed to nail the right guys on those pics

[BobaFett1]

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-12-31-jackbauer.jpg

[spursncowboys]

If it's for official use, you should be able to submit an exception to policy for it. Try going to the website, and there should be information on why it's blocked and how to generate the exemption.
My s6 are the epitome of lazy a-holes. Plus they have some butter bar to protect them.

[cheguevara]

:lmao thinking the guy who placed the bombs is the sole responsible. Ppl don't learn. Ppl still think the JFK killing was all planned and executed by Oswald alone :lmao

what pathetic fucks the general american public are tbh

:lmao thinking 1 guy can not only build and carry but place 2 bombs and fire them almost simultaneously in broad daylight :lmao

I should be a consultant for the FBI :lmao

[cheguevara]

btw, El Che would suggest the FBI to look into the possibility, these kids were either framed or got help from a major organization. Stay tuned.

[Nbadan]

http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/image/suspect-2

Dzhokar Tsarnaev, age 19

[Wild Cobra]

Why are you all racists? Those of you who hoped he was "white?"

I keep trying to remind you all, it has nothing to do with skin color, but the content of your character. It has to do with how parents raise their kids and the groups they hang out with.

Besides, not all of those with the faith of Islam have dark skin.

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you all racists?lol black surgeons

[DMX7]

I keep trying to remind you all, it has nothing to do with skin color, but the content of your character.


Ok, Dr. King! ROFL!!!


lol black surgeons

:rollin

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why are you all racists? Those of you who hoped he was "white?"

I keep trying to remind you all, it has nothing to do with skin color, but the content of your character. It has to do with how parents raise their kids and the groups they hang out with.

Besides, not all of those with the faith of Islam have dark skin.

This same brain came up with:


Hispanics tend to accel rather well in this nation after a generation or two. They have work ethics. Blacks tend not to. Hatred of what happened in times of slavery seems to be the key reason they don't accel. The ones that get past the past, and actually use work ethics to build a better future, without letting their prejudices hold them back, do in fact accel.


Well, in my experience, far more blacks speak poorly than white. Being in the Army for 11 years, I saw a good mix of people from all over. I say there's a significant difference.

[DMX7]

accel?

[boutons_deux]

accel?

military vets are the most literate, educated group. :)

[DarrinS]

military vets are the most literate, educated group. :)

Wow

[Wild Cobra]

LOL...

The idiot doesn't realize accel is short for accelerate, and one definition of accelerate is advance.

I don't make fun of the BS words people use around here, or ghetto slang. I must really own these people for them to have to always attack me.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Too bad the word is excel which is the root of excellent. Or are you saying that black people are cars?

Is this the part where you call me presumptive?

[Wild Cobra]

Too bad the word is excel which is the root of excellent. Or are you saying that black people are cars?

Is this the part where you call me presumptive?
They both work.

What type of a twit, other than you, has to find any cause to degrade others?

What a pathetic life you must live.

[Wild Cobra]

ac·cel·er·ate (k-sl-rt)
v. ac·cel·er·at·ed, ac·cel·er·at·ing, ac·cel·er·ates
v.tr.
1. To increase the speed of.
2. To cause to occur sooner than expected.
3. To cause to develop or progress more quickly: a substance used to accelerate a fire.
4.
a. To reduce the time required for (an academic course, for example); compress into a shorter period.
b. To make it possible for (a student) to finish an academic course faster than usual.
5. Physics To change the velocity of.
v.intr.
1. To move or act faster. See Synonyms at speed.
2. To engage in an academic program that progresses faster than usual.

If I were to use "excel" which means to be superior, then they would have argued a different point. For what I meant, accel is a better choice than excel.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:cry

Crying about people being mean to other people around here is fun but it does make you seem the whiny bitch.

It's pretty damn obvious that you substituted a homophone of the correct word. Now you are doing your typical dissembling bullshit. I don't degrade you. I just point out how you are degrading yourself.

[Bill_Brasky]

They both work.

What type of a twit, other than you, has to find any cause to degrade others?

What a pathetic life you must live.
No they don't. Excel is the proper verb to use there. Nobody ever has used the word "accel", because its not a real word.

[Wild Cobra]

Crying about people being mean to other people around here is fun but it does make you seem the whiny bitch.

It's pretty damn obvious that you substituted a homophone of the correct word. Now you are doing your typical dissembling bullshit. I don't degrade you. I just point out how you are degrading yourself.
Bye Fuzzy. I fail to understand why cretins like you insist on changing the topic of a thread. Again, you must live a very pathetic life to have to find fault in others all the time, to boost your ego.

[Wild Cobra]

No they don't. Excel is the proper verb to use there. Nobody ever has used the word "accel", because its not a real word.
OK, why don't you complain about all the ghetto slang that is said? Those aren't real words.

[Clipper Nation]

Why are you all racists?... I keep trying to remind you all, it has nothing to do with skin color, but the content of your character.


I don't like most black people. There are very few who I have met that grew up in a cultural setting I have any respect for. Most I have met are out right thugs, and lack integrity. I could say I don't like black people, but there are some exceptions. If I based all my decisions on statistics, I would stay clear of blacks.

[Wild Cobra]

Wow.

Another asshole.

Can you say "cultural setting?"

[Clipper Nation]

Wow.

Another asshole.

Can you say "cultural setting?"
Saying "I don't like most black people" one minute and "it's not about skin color" the next is laughable, B.... you can't have it both ways - either it IS about race with you or it isn't, in which case you should probably drop your beef with black surgeons....

[Wild Cobra]

Saying "I don't like most black people" one minute and "it's not about skin color" the next is laughable, B.... you can't have it both ways - either it IS about race with you or it isn't, in which case you should probably drop your beef with black surgeons....
My God.

Read that statement I made slowly and with an open, rather than racial mindset. You cannot choose a separate sentence from the context of the paragraph. To do so either shows lack of intelligence, or biased cherry picking.

[Wild Cobra]

What is my beef with black surgeons anyway? I don't have one. That was about trusting the credentials of a person performing delicate job, if they were in such a position because of quotas.

Again, you either lack intelligence, or you are biased in your view of my statement.

[DMX7]

Another fine moment for Wild Cobra.

[Wild Cobra]

Another fine moment for Wild Cobra.
Are you going to join the ignoranus gang?

[baseline bum]

Shit, Dzokhar has no reason to talk since there is no death penalty in Massachusetts. No matter whether he cooperates or not, he's getting a life sentence. He's too smart to get intimated by the police. More reason why I wish they would have just wasted his sorry ass yesterday.

[Clipper Nation]

My God.

Read that statement I made slowly and with an open, rather than racial mindset. You cannot choose a separate sentence from the context of the paragraph. To do so either shows lack of intelligence, or biased cherry picking.
Except the paragraph was all about black people in particular, you were singling out one race for your judgemental ranting.....

If it truly wasn't about race with you, then you we wouldn't be arguing context since you wouldn't have written about your dislike of black people specifically....

[Wild Cobra]

Except the paragraph was all about black people in particular, you were singling out one race for your judgemental ranting.....

If it truly wasn't about race with you, then you we wouldn't be arguing context since you wouldn't have written about your dislike of black people specifically....
Go back to that thread for your answers. I'm done with you idiots. Time to ignore you cretins.

[DarrinS]

Shit, Dzokhar has no reason to talk since there is no death penalty in Massachusetts. No matter whether he cooperates or not, he's getting a life sentence. He's too smart to get intimated by the police. More reason why I wish they would have just wasted his sorry ass yesterday.

Should've thrown one of his own grenades in the boat. Then again, I suppose several people were filming from their windows.

[DMX7]

Shit, Dzokhar has no reason to talk since there is no death penalty in Massachusetts. No matter whether he cooperates or not, he's getting a life sentence. He's too smart to get intimated by the police. More reason why I wish they would have just wasted his sorry ass yesterday.

If he faces federal charges, the feds can take him out of the state and seek it.

[redzero]

Go back to that thread for your answers. I'm done with you idiots. Time to ignore you cretins.

So, it's idiotic to point out contradicting claims?

[BobaFett1]

If he faces federal charges, the feds can take him out of the state and seek it.

Trust me he is not gonna die in jail.

[ploto]

:cry hopes dashed :cry
Actually the younger brother is a white American citizen.

[DMX7]

People just ASSume WC is a racist, but he simply believes blacks couldn't possibly become surgeons on their own without quotas and affirmative action. Nothing racist about that.

[Creepn]

LOL white skinned bomber and Cobra brings out the "it's all about the content of character" card now despite the fact he hates most blacks he never met.

[admiralsnackbar]

Travon Martin says "hi."

[boutons_deux]

Islamaphobe jumps on the media bandwagon

Peter King: Treat bomber as enemy combatant because ‘battlefield now in the U.S.’http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/fox_fns_king_combatant_130421c-615x345.jpg

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