Don't Blame Pau

[DMC]

16 points, 16 rebounds. Howard had 15 boards as well.

When you have guys who can rebound like that who are on the floor at the same time, why wouldn't you post them up every trip down the floor?

Don't blame Pau. Even Crip knew they should play a post up game. Post post post... of course he doesn't see that when he's on the floor.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i think he had a good game

artest and howard couldve done more, but too bad howard has no real post game, artest can use his size to bully down low but that clown loves to shoot jumpers and hang out at the perimter...

stave blake is very underrated....

[DMC]

i think he had a good game

artest and howard couldve done more, but too bad howard has no real post game, artest can use his size to bully down low but that clown loves to shoot jumpers and hang out at the perimter...

stave blake is very underrated....

The perimeter game has Mike D's filthy fingerprints all over it. Mike cannot run a post game to save his ass.

A good coach would take that team to the Finals and stomp the shit out of the Heat who have no real inside presence.

[Brunodf]

DH/Gasol combined for 1 offensive rebound...

[Thebesteva]

Pau is the Lakers official scape goat

[DMC]

DH/Gasol combined for 1 offensive rebound...
Hard to get long rebounds when Artest is bricking from 28'.

[TDMVPDPOY]

The perimeter game has Mike D's filthy fingerprints all over it. Mike cannot run a post game to save his ass.

A good coach would take that team to the Finals and stomp the shit out of the Heat who have no real inside presence.

funni how the dog of a rapists is tweeting to dump it low post every possession, he says one thing but does the other when his playing...fck the dog rapist

[DMC]

funni how the dog of a rapists is tweeting to dump it low post every possession, he says one thing but does the other when his playing...fck the dog rapist

That's because his ego won't allow him to even think someone else could do what he does, and when he's on the floor he sees himself as always the best option on offense. When he's out, he discounts the rest of the team and his sense slowly returns.

[Koolaid_Man]

16 points, 16 rebounds. Howard had 15 boards as well.

When you have guys who can rebound like that who are on the floor at the same time, why wouldn't you post them up every trip down the floor?

Don't blame Pau. Even Crip knew they should play a post up game. Post post post... of course he doesn't see that when he's on the floor.

0-13 without Kobe..history clear says we're getting swept this year...

can't blame Pau's performance on Kobe now....0-13 is all I have to say

[TDMVPDPOY]

d12 is just a blacker version of fake ass muscle guy blake griffin, get physical with them and they shy away in the shadow like that fake ass leader on the spurs....

spurs should continue to test that fags back and other weak ass injuries his carrying

[DMC]

0-13 without Kobe..history clear says we're getting swept this year...

can't blame Pau's performance on Kobe now....0-13 is all I have to say

Pau's performance was good. So you're right, that has nothing to do with Kobe.

[whitemamba]

The problem tonight was just missing open shots and turnovers, pau had a pretty good game.

[ElNono]

he took 16 shots to get those 16 points though

[100%duncan]

d12 is just a blacker version of fake ass muscle guy blake griffin, get physical with them and they shy away in the shadow like that fake ass leader on the spurs....

spurs should continue to test that fags back and other weak ass injuries his carrying

You seem to love ass.

[Latarian Milton]

lakers starters outperformed spurs starting 5 imho. however, their only got a total of 10 points off the bench while manu himself contributed 18 to them spurs, which cost lakers the game.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lakers starters outperformed spurs starting 5 imho. however, their only got a total of 10 points off the bench while manu himself contributed 18 to them spurs, which cost lakers the game.

matt bonner happen when gasol was doing nothing....

[Thebesteva]

The problem tonight was just missing open shots and turnovers, pau had a pretty good game.

Yup...that's usually the case when a team is not that good and they are on the road. It just seems like those shots fall in @ home compared to road games. I still think this series has only just begun, Spurs fans way too excited. Everything going according to the plan thus far...though I have Spurs in 6, I think this series is gonna be a good one.

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They thought beating Kobe would be eaiser than this.

They'd forgotten about San Antonio. That's how stupid there are, A. & how much they hate Kobe, B.

By late Wednesday nite they won't hate him so much.

[Bynumite]

But... but spurfan led me to believe the Lakers were a better team without Kobe and that Kobe was responsible for Pau's shortcomings, underperformances, the current global wave of earthquakes, the Boston bombings etc. :cry

[Koolaid_Man]

Pau's performance was good. So you're right, that has nothing to do with Kobe.

there's really no way to spin 0-13 and soon to be 0-14 without Kobe...it simply can't be done....at some point you have to get at least 1 win by yourself...this is Pau's perfect opportunity..I 'd prefer at least 2 wins but if not no problem as long as Pau plays well...we'll need him as good trade bait for Rondo...

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/BEGJ4v_zpsa02b35d1.png

[Killakobe81]

there's really no way to spin 0-13 and soon to be 0-14 without Kobe...it simply can't be done....at some point you have to get at least 1 win by yourself...this is Pau's perfect opportunity..I 'd prefer at least 2 wins but if not no problem as long as Pau plays well...we'll need him as good trade bait for Rondo...

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/BEGJ4v_zpsa02b35d1.png

I'm sorry but Kool is right on the 0-13. I know that it is a team sport but I have seen several all-star players like Pau (Pau is not a superstar) will a team to one victory over a better opponent countless times. He says he is healthy. He has NAsh (HOF PG) and Howard (All-star big) so when this swings to Staples he has to lead us to at LEAST ONE VICTORY he just has to. Heck I would even accept a James Worthy vs the Pistons in 1989 type performance even if we get swept, so that he proves his playoff flameouts were a fluke the past two years or he ups his trade value. MAgic and Scott blew their hammies and James tried to carry us in vain, by torching the IMPOSING Pistons front-line, dropping 26 and 40 ...at the Forum ... .

Other examples: Eric "Sleepy" Floyd vs. 1987 (IIRC) Lakers or Worthy vs. the Suns in 1992 you can and should be able to lead your team to ONE WIN ...

[DMC]

there's really no way to spin 0-13 and soon to be 0-14 without Kobe...it simply can't be done....at some point you have to get at least 1 win by yourself...this is Pau's perfect opportunity..I 'd prefer at least 2 wins but if not no problem as long as Pau plays well...we'll need him as good trade bait for Rondo...

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/BEGJ4v_zpsa02b35d1.png

Pretty sure he was swept a couple of times even with Kobe, so...

[ambchang]

I prefer players leading a team to playoffs than those who don't, tbh.

Also, too early to say that the series is done. Far from it. There are many cases where the Lakers were playing better than the Spurs, I am not entirely sure why three first names went away from a Pau/Dwight double post game, the Spurs really had no answers for that, and the Lakers were able to cut a double-digit lead down to 4 points in only a few minutes.

The Lakers are now a much better defensive team, and a low post presence of Pau+Dwight is even making a geriatric Nash and Blake Mamba look like real starter material players. Tells you what a dominant frontline can do for a team.

[Killakobe81]

Pretty sure he was swept a couple of times even with Kobe, so...

Yep this is true well at least once ... I attended Game 3 of that sweep and I saw Phil poking Pau in his ches,t not Achilles ... bedsides Mavs sweep cant recall another sweep since the Pau trade tbh ...
The rumors about some relationship drama affecting Pau's mental state were all over L.A. ...

[Killakobe81]

I prefer players leading a team to playoffs than those who don't, tbh.

Also, too early to say that the series is done. Far from it. There are many cases where the Lakers were playing better than the Spurs, I am not entirely sure why three first names went away from a Pau/Dwight double post game, the Spurs really had no answers for that, and the Lakers were able to cut a double-digit lead down to 4 points in only a few minutes.

The Lakers are now a much better defensive team, and a low post presence of Pau+Dwight is even making a geriatric Nash and Blake Mamba look like real starter material players. Tells you what a dominant frontline can do for a team.

How about players that lead a team to backtoback Finals over a player that cant lead ants to a picnic?
Not saying series is over I EXPECT at least ONE WIN ...
IF I dont get that then I have issues with not only Pau but also Dwight. In fact since he claims to be our leader now my main issue is with Dwight. But, Pau was able to help us win titles as Achilles #2 now he is #2 to Howard and he is getting the ball movement some of you (and Pau) say a Achilles led offense lacks, so lets see what Pau can do ...

[DMC]

Yep this is true well at least once ... I attended Game 3 of that sweep and I saw Phil poking Pau in his ches,t not Achilles ... bedsides Mavs sweep cant recall another sweep since the Pau trade tbh ...
The rumors about some relationship drama affecting Pau's mental state were all over L.A. ...

But ya can't have it both ways. Either Pau is the reason the Lakers win/lose or he's not. When Pau is on, Lakers win b2b. When he's not, Lakers get swept. Kobe was there the whole time.

[Killakobe81]

But ya can't have it both ways. Either Pau is the reason the Lakers win/lose or he's not. When Pau is on, Lakers win b2b. When he's not, Lakers get swept. Kobe was there the whole time.

Wait, what? Of course Pau is a big part of why they win or lose I never said he wasn't. Part of th reason this place was upset at that trade was because we had a mid tier #1 ...in the #2 role THAT was what made it a great trade. Not questioning Pau's value when it is placed properly in context.. YOu guys here overrrate him (some LG fans did too before the past 2 seasons fans there argued Love for Pau was not enough) based on past performance and Kobe hate ...

But agian if he is a HOF and as good as you Amb and others say he is just win one game as the #1 ...heck right now he is still#2 ...just ONE GAME. Not a series, A GAME. (in my Iverson voice)

[Killakobe81]

But ya can't have it both ways. Either Pau is the reason the Lakers win/lose or he's not. When Pau is on, Lakers win b2b. When he's not, Lakers get swept. Kobe was there the whole time.

Oh and they did not get swept lasy year and he was ineffective just the same ...

[ambchang]

How about players that lead a team to backtoback Finals over a player that cant lead ants to a picnic?
Not saying series is over I EXPECT at least ONE WIN ...
IF I dont get that then I have issues with not only Pau but also Dwight. In fact since he claims to be our leader now my main issue is with Dwight. But, Pau was able to help us win titles as Achilles #2 now he is #2 to Howard and he is getting the ball movement some of you (and Pau) say a Achilles led offense lacks, so lets see what Pau can do ...

Correction, three straight finals, not b2b. Pau is da man, just an unbelievable talent able to haul a very good SG to b2b championships and three straight finals. Just a very well-rounded game.

If Pau works off the low post like he's supposed to, the Spurs are screwed. The only thing holding the Lakers back right now is three first names, and outside distractions.

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I'm sorry but Kool is right on the 0-13.

You don't have to be sorry. This is Pau's mistake. Not your's, or Kool's.

Kool was just checkin' assholes.

[ambchang]

KK81, see, you get the all wrong. I am not saying Pau is this transcendental superstar who would will his teams to championships like a Jordan, Shaq, Hakeem or Duncan. He obviously needs help.

Having the best 2nd banana in league history was important.
Having one of the best coaches in league history was obviously important.
Having a versatile SF/PF hybrid who can handle the ball, shoot from outside, and is a general nightmare matchup for any other team was important.
Having a steady hand in Fisher was important.
Having good perimeter defenders in MWP/Artest/Ariza was important.

That's why nobody will ever call Pau a top 10 player, or even top 20, because he needed all this help.

Also, he had quite a few failures when he did NOT have all this help, and it counts as well.

Was Pau great? Depends on how you define great. I tend to think he is. He led his team to two titles. He led the Spanish team to unexpected success. But he is most definitely not one of the best ever.

You have to give credit where credit is due, 16/16/6 games with a perimeter that bad is a good game, if not great. There are no two ways about it.

[Thread]

But ya can't have it both ways. Either Pau is the reason the Lakers win/lose or he's not. When Pau is on, Lakers win b2b. When he's not, Lakers get swept. Kobe was there the whole time.

Pau never won a single playoff game till Kobe him in.

[Brunodf]

How about players that lead a team to backtoback Finals over a player that cant lead ants to a picnic? ...

:toastGasol is the man, lead his team to 3 straight finals

[Thread]

:toastGasol is the man, lead his team to 3 straight finals

Pau couldn't win a single playoff game till Kobe took him in.

[jbspurs]

Do you think Artest can bully Leonard inside the paint?

[Thread]

Do you think Artest can bully Leonard inside the paint?

If he could bully Pierce 23 feet from the rim, anything is possible.

[Killakobe81]

Correction, three straight finals, not b2b. Pau is da man, just an unbelievable talent able to haul a very good SG to b2b championships and three straight finals. Just a very well-rounded game.

If Pau works off the low post like he's supposed to, the Spurs are screwed. The only thing holding the Lakers back right now is three first names, and outside distractions.

:lol:rollin :wakeup

I wont even respond to such ridiculous drivel ...

[Killakobe81]

KK81, see, you get the all wrong. I am not saying Pau is this transcendental superstar who would will his teams to championships like a Jordan, Shaq, Hakeem or Duncan. He obviously needs help.

Having the best 2nd banana in league history was important.
Having one of the best coaches in league history was obviously important.
Having a versatile SF/PF hybrid who can handle the ball, shoot from outside, and is a general nightmare matchup for any other team was important.
Having a steady hand in Fisher was important.
Having good perimeter defenders in MWP/Artest/Ariza was important.

That's why nobody will ever call Pau a top 10 player, or even top 20, because he needed all this help.

Also, he had quite a few failures when he did NOT have all this help, and it counts as well.

Was Pau great? Depends on how you define great. I tend to think he is. He led his team to two titles. He led the Spanish team to unexpected success. But he is most definitely not one of the best ever.

You have to give credit where credit is due, 16/16/6 games with a perimeter that bad is a good game, if not great. There are no two ways about it.

[jeebus]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/monost/2012/03/22/dwight-howard-is-the-black-kevin-love


Dwight Howard is the black Kevin Love.

[Clipper Nation]

Pau was a beast in his prime, leading his team to two titles despite his raping, snitching, egotistical third wheel trying to use him as a scapegoat, tbh..... Lakerfan needs to show some gratitude....

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Pau was a beast in his prime, leading his team to two titles despite his raping, snitching, egotistical third wheel trying to use him as a scapegoat, tbh..... Lakerfan needs to show some gratitude....

Pau didn't win a single playoff game till Kobe took him in.

[Thread]

:lol:rollin :wakeup

I wont even respond to such ridiculous drivel ...

Kool punched him in the stomach this morning and he's been running like a madman ever since.

[ambchang]

Kool punched him in the stomach this morning and he's been running like a madman ever since.

? What did Kool say this morning?

[jimbo]

I blame metta for part of it. Dantoni should start Clark since its not like the starters and kawhi have any offensive chemistry. I'd rather have the extra offense.

[namlook]

But ya can't have it both ways. Either Pau is the reason the Lakers win/lose or he's not. When Pau is on, Lakers win b2b. When he's not, Lakers get swept. Kobe was there the whole time.

Pau is a solid complimentary player. He's just not a lead player. Pau has never won a playoff game without Kobe. 0-13. There's no way to spin that.

[spurraider21]

Kobe can't win a playoff series unless he has a dominant big there to get the rebounds off all his bricks he lays tbh. but at the same time, we must realize Pau cannot win without his Pippen

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^
Pau has never won a playoff game without Kobe. 0-13.

[mercos]

Pau is a very good player, but he is a bit overrated. He couldn't lead Memphis anywhere in his prime. Tim Duncan carried a group of YMCA players that included Danny Ferry to the conference finals in 2001. Pau is not mentally strong, and he is not a leader. In team sports these things matter. Kobe has all of those mental intangibles, and that is why their pairing was so good. I'm definitely not blaming Pau for any of the Lakers failings, but saying he led the Lakers to titles is crazy.

[pad300]

I hope they blame Pau and amnesty his ass. He could be lured to SA on the cheap for some vengeance...

Center: Duncan/Gasol
PF: Splitter/Diaw

Hell of a front line...

[Killakobe81]

Pau is a very good player, but he is a bit overrated. He couldn't lead Memphis anywhere in his prime. Tim Duncan carried a group of YMCA players that included Danny Ferry to the conference finals in 2001. Pau is not mentally strong, and he is not a leader. In team sports these things matter. Kobe has all of those mental intangibles, and that is why their pairing was so good. I'm definitely not blaming Pau for any of the Lakers failings, but saying he led the Lakers to titles is crazy.

Close thread. Great post. Pau has the same drawbacks as David Robinson. Better skill offensively but leap years behind athletically and defensively. But neither were able to truly lead a team to a title on their own. Even though their talent screams #1 option their mindset (i think calling either menatlly weak is wrong) just lends themselves to be a sidekick. And there is nothing wrong with that. Achilles won in that role and as a lead dog ...Pau can not win as a lead dog he is not wired that way and to lessor degree neither was the Admiral ... but Im pretty sure if you gave him Pau's supporting cast he would win .....


ONE DAMN PLAYOFF GAME!!!!

[DMC]

Pau is a solid complimentary player. He's just not a lead player. Pau has never won a playoff game without Kobe. 0-13. There's no way to spin that.

So you were swept because your complimentary player didn't step up, but when you won it's not because of your complimentary player. lol

[DMC]

^

Only pussies and assholes play the injury card.

[DMC]

Oh and they did not get swept lasy year and he was ineffective just the same ...

Would you say the difference between the championship years and the following two years was Pau's performances?

[DMC]

Wait, what? Of course Pau is a big part of why they win or lose I never said he wasn't. Part of th reason this place was upset at that trade was because we had a mid tier #1 ...in the #2 role THAT was what made it a great trade. Not questioning Pau's value when it is placed properly in context.. YOu guys here overrrate him (some LG fans did too before the past 2 seasons fans there argued Love for Pau was not enough) based on past performance and Kobe hate ...

But agian if he is a HOF and as good as you Amb and others say he is just win one game as the #1 ...heck right now he is still#2 ...just ONE GAME. Not a series, A GAME. (in my Iverson voice)

Lakers win: you say Kobe did it

Lakers lose: you say Pau didn't step up

How does that work exactly? If Kobe is the game winner, how does Pau lose it for the Lakers? How does he get the Lakers swept the season following a ring?

[Clipper Nation]

Pau is not mentally strong, and he is not a leader. In team sports these things matter. Kobe has all of those mental intangibles
:lmao

Kirby is a terrible leader, and no "mentally strong" player would flat-out quit the way he did in '06, or demand a trade every time it looks like he's not getting his way, tbh.....

[Thread]

Only pussies and assholes

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[Thread]

:lmao

Kirby is a terrible leader, and no "mentally strong" player would flat-out quit the way he did in '06, or demand a trade every time it looks like he's not getting his way, tbh.....

MJ quit.

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I hope they blame Pau and amnesty his ass. He could be lured to SA on the cheap for some vengeance.

Pau doesn't do vengeance.

It's his religion.

[DMC]

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

You're also a hypocrite
You hypocrite

[Thread]

You're also a hypocrite
You hypocrite

Please.

[Bynumite]

:lmao

Kirby is a terrible leader, and no "mentally strong" player would flat-out quit the way he did in '06, or demand a trade every time it looks like he's not getting his way, tbh.....

Yes, your team has a much better, mentally stronger leader that defers to Jannero Pargo during the biggest game of his career and gets shut down by elite point guards on a regular basis :lmao

Sit down son, flop city ain't going nowhere with CPFlop & the Silverbacks.

[DMC]

Yes, your team has a much better, mentally stronger leader that defers to Jannero Pargo during the biggest game of his career and gets shut down by elite point guards on a regular basis :lmao

Sit down son, flop city ain't going nowhere with CPFlop & the Silverbacks.

But he didn't quit... quitter

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But he didn't quit... quitter

You've nary room. Your Rodman quit.

[pad300]

Pau doesn't do vengeance.

It's his religion.

You guys amnesty his ass, we'll find out if he does vengeance...

[DMC]

You've nary room. Your Rodman quit.

We aint here defending that faggot

[Thread]

We aint here defending that faggot

Nonetheless, you've nary room.

Your Rodman quit. So did your Jackson & your Diaw.

[Thread]

You guys amnesty his ass, we'll find out if he does vengeance...

Please. He'll cry goin' & comin' back. He ain't got a vengeful bone in his entire body. That's why Perkins Powe, Dirk & Chandler beat his brains in, made him cry to the officiating.

[DMC]

Nonetheless, you've nary room.

Your Rodman quit. So did your Jackson & your Diaw.

lol.. comparing your superstar to Jax and Diaw (your Diaw btw).

[Thread]

lol.. comparing your superstar to Jax and Diaw (your Diaw btw).

Crawl, motherfucker, crawl!!!

[DMC]

insert random nonsensical parroted line here

[mercos]

:lmao

Kirby is a terrible leader, and no "mentally strong" player would flat-out quit the way he did in '06, or demand a trade every time it looks like he's not getting his way, tbh.....

You may not like the type of leader he is, but Kobe is a leader. As for his 06 series and trade demands, those are not symptoms of mental weakness. Spoiled brat behavior no doubt, but not something that points towards mental weakness. Kobe has plenty of issues that can be criticized, but his mental capacity is not one of them.

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You may not like the type of leader he is, but Kobe is a leader. As for his 06 series and trade demands, those are not symptoms of mental weakness. Spoiled brat behavior no doubt, but not something that points towards mental weakness. Kobe has plenty of issues that can be criticized, but his mental capacity is not one of them.

There are no excuses for quitting. He quit. We've had to carry that stain for him since then.

The rest of it, I've nary a problem. That's what it took to wake Buss from his inertia. An inertia ironically instituted by Kobe and the rape incident. Kobe woke early from his stupor and took exception to the old man still asleep at the wheel and took off after him hammer & tong. The result was as prescribed:::15 & 16 in short order.

[DMC]

You may not like the type of leader he is, but Kobe is a leader. As for his 06 series and trade demands, those are not symptoms of mental weakness. Spoiled brat behavior no doubt, but not something that points towards mental weakness. Kobe has plenty of issues that can be criticized, but his mental capacity is not one of them.

Explain just how you come to the conclusion that Kobe is a leader.

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Explain just how you come to the conclusion that Kobe is a leader.

He signed off on Jackson's return even though he'd been besmirched by Jackson.
He signed off on Artest's request to come and help even though Artest had been a lifelong arch criminal.
He signed off on Gasol. Then proceeded to beat him unmercifully until he extracted every ounce of goodness from this man.

You want it neat & tidy, like it's presented there in San Antonio. But, its the same there. The process of making sausage being in Texas or California has nary a trace of difference. Winning an NBA Title is filthy work. It's not a game. It's not fun. It wasn't meant to be. Bryant understands that. Magic beat it into him so that when Boston came for us in June of '10 Kobe turned them away and preserved our freedom.

[Koolaid_Man]

But ya can't have it both ways. Either Pau is the reason the Lakers win/lose or he's not. When Pau is on, Lakers win b2b. When he's not, Lakers get swept. Kobe was there the whole time.

Perhaps I wasn't descriptive enough...let me try again:

Pau without Kobe 0-13 with a 0% win percentage
Pau after Kobe took him in is 55-34 for a 62% win percentage
Kobe without Pau is 4-8 for a 33% win percentage

Pau literally cannot win without Kobe...those percentage deltas are similiar to Mavs>Spurs getting a job paying 125k / yr vs his current 25k / yr. It also shows that Pau doubles Kobe's win % by about 31 % by whereas Kobe increases Pau's win percentage by 100% :lol

[mercos]

Explain just how you come to the conclusion that Kobe is a leader.

He is unquestionably in charge on the court, and people follow him. Like I said, you may not like the type of leader he is, or even think he is a bad leader, but its silly to suggest he is not the leader of the Lakers. I'm personally not a fan of the tyrant style of leadership that guys like Kobe and MJ exhibit, but I do recognize it as leadership.

[Killakobe81]

Waiting on the long diatribe from Amb ...
"but, but if you look at winshares in the Finals or True shooting % how can Mercos argue that Pau did not lead the LAkers?" My numbers are Never worong ... answer will not compute

I dunno ... he actually WATCHED both play perhaps ... and has a brain?

[DMC]

He is unquestionably in charge on the court, and people follow him. Like I said, you may not like the type of leader he is, or even think he is a bad leader, but its silly to suggest he is not the leader of the Lakers. I'm personally not a fan of the tyrant style of leadership that guys like Kobe and MJ exhibit, but I do recognize it as leadership.

Argument ad nauseum doesn't explain anything. Saying he's unquestionably that which I just asked you to explain doesn't do anything but repeat the assertion. What makes you think he's in charge on the court, because he demands the ball all the time?

[DMC]

Perhaps I wasn't descriptive enough...let me try again:

Pau without Kobe 0-13 with a 0% win percentage
Pau after Kobe took him in is 55-34 for a 62% win percentage
Kobe without Pau is 4-8 for a 33% win percentage

Pau literally cannot win without Kobe...those percentage deltas are similiar to Mavs>Spurs getting a job paying 125k / yr vs his current 25k / yr. It also shows that Pau doubles Kobe's win % by about 31 % by whereas Kobe increases Pau's win percentage by 100% :lol

You and Dale, calling one playoff game a "win".

The Lakers won b2b when Pau was on. They lost b2b (swept basically) when Pau was not. They hit 3 Finals in a row when Pau was on. This season will be 3 Finals in a row that they will miss because Pau wasn't on.

Pau is the lever.

[DMC]

He signed off on Jackson's return even though he'd been besmirched by Jackson.
He signed off on Artest's request to come and help even though Artest had been a lifelong arch criminal.
He signed off on Gasol. Then proceeded to beat him unmercifully until he extracted every ounce of goodness from this man.

You want it neat & tidy, like it's presented there in San Antonio. But, its the same there. The process of making sausage being in Texas or California has nary a trace of difference. Winning an NBA Title is filthy work. It's not a game. It's not fun. It wasn't meant to be. Bryant understands that. Magic beat it into him so that when Boston came for us in June of '10 Kobe turned them away and preserved our freedom.

Summary: Kobe signs off on all the help he can get because he' such a leader.

Leaders don't hold teams for ransom. They lead by example. Did you hear how, if a book was being written on being a great teammate and team leader, Duncan and Nash would be the co-Authors? Kobe is well known as the bane of the Lakers, not the leader. Fish was the leader, and sans Fish, zero.

[ambchang]

Close thread. Great post. Pau has the same drawbacks as David Robinson. Better skill offensively but leap years behind athletically and defensively. But neither were able to truly lead a team to a title on their own. Even though their talent screams #1 option their mindset (i think calling either menatlly weak is wrong) just lends themselves to be a sidekick. And there is nothing wrong with that. Achilles won in that role and as a lead dog ...Pau can not win as a lead dog he is not wired that way and to lessor degree neither was the Admiral ... but Im pretty sure if you gave him Pau's supporting cast he would win .....


ONE DAMN PLAYOFF GAME!!!!

Tell that to the Spanish national team.

And nobody is comparing Pau to Duncan, that is just retarded.

[ambchang]

You may not like the type of leader he is, but Kobe is a leader. As for his 06 series and trade demands, those are not symptoms of mental weakness. Spoiled brat behavior no doubt, but not something that points towards mental weakness. Kobe has plenty of issues that can be criticized, but his mental capacity is not one of them.

Shooting terribly in every single elimination game is though.

[ambchang]

He is unquestionably in charge on the court, and people follow him. Like I said, you may not like the type of leader he is, or even think he is a bad leader, but its silly to suggest he is not the leader of the Lakers. I'm personally not a fan of the tyrant style of leadership that guys like Kobe and MJ exhibit, but I do recognize it as leadership.


Waiting on the long diatribe from Amb ...
"but, but if you look at winshares in the Finals or True shooting % how can Mercos argue that Pau did not lead the LAkers?" My numbers are Never worong ... answer will not compute

I dunno ... he actually WATCHED both play perhaps ... and has a brain?

KK81, I never realized I made you this butthurt about it, I apologize for it.

But to respond, there is no need for a long answer, the answer is short. Look at Shaq, Pau, Dwight, Smush Parker, then read Phil Jackson's book. Kobe thought he was the leader, there just weren't any followers .... well, maybe you can count the mentally unstable MWP, but that's a short list of teammates.

[Thread]

You and Dale, calling one playoff game a "win".

The Lakers won b2b when Pau was on. They lost b2b (swept basically) when Pau was not. They hit 3 Finals in a row when Pau was on. This season will be 3 Finals in a row that they will miss because Pau wasn't on.

Pau is the lever.

Gasol couldn't win a single playoff game till Kobe took him in.

[Thread]

maybe you can count the mentally unstable MWP, but that's a short list of teammates.

I don't think Pierce counted him.

tee, hee.

[jbspurs]

If he could bully Pierce 23 feet from the rim, anything is possible.


Not Leonard :nope

[Thread]

Not Leonard :nope

- "Promises, promises."

- Ernie "The Cat" Ladd

[jbspurs]

- "Promises, promises."

- Ernie "The Cat" Ladd


Leonard will guard him all the way to the stands!

[DMC]

Gasol couldn't win a single playoff game till Kobe took him in.
So then why are you blaming Pau?

[Koolaid_Man]

So then why are you blaming Pau?

The worst thing a person can do is bring home a bronze medal then refuse to ever play for his country again. Its like draft dodging. Its quite pathetic.

Now back to Gasol 0-13 soon to be 0-14 with out that nigga..

[DMC]

The worst thing a person can do is bring home a bronze medal then refuse to ever play for his country again. Its like draft dodging. Its quite pathetic.

Like welching?


Now back to Gasol 0-13 soon to be 0-14 with out that nigga..
You quit. Then you come back to eat your own vomit.

[Thread]

Then you come back to eat your own vomit.

lmemulatedao!!!

[Koolaid_Man]

Like welching?

You quit. Then you come back to eat your own vomit.

I'm I'm I'm so bad...I'm so bad...I'm so bad...I can suck my own dick :hat

[DMC]

I'm I'm I'm so bad...I'm so bad...I'm so bad...I can suck my own dick :hat

If not you can suck mine.

[Koolaid_Man]

If not you can suck mine.

DMC = Da Micro Cock....why don't you visit my tiny dick dot com :lol

[DMC]

DMC = Da Micro Cock....why don't you visit my tiny dick dot com :lol

Is that the same site as yourtube.com?

[Koolaid_Man]

Is that the same site as yourtube.com?

I've been trying to come up with a moniker for you and now it's settled..from hence forth you shall go by the name Da Mini Cock..I will even take the time to spell it out each and every time :hat

[Koolaid_Man]

DMC - I'm legitimately torn between Da Micro and Da Mini Cock

[spurraider21]

DMC - I'm legitimately torn between Da Micro and Da Mini Cock
Based on your welching reputation, I'm torn between your monicker being Da Mini bank account and Da micro bank account

[DMC]

DMC - I'm legitimately torn between Da Micro and Da Mini Cock

Suck them both, decide later.

[Koolaid_Man]

Suck them both, decide later.

it's virtually impossible to suck a 2 centimeter dick..but I think I'll settle for DMC= Da Mini Cock..because it gives me insult flexibilities :lol

[DMC]

it's virtually impossible to suck a 2 centimeter dick..but I think I'll settle for DMC= Da Mini Cock..because it gives me insult flexibilities :lol

You'll find a way. You always do.

[BatManu20]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)1m (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/327114351607685121)
Three months after hip surgery, Lakers forward Jordan Hill is available and could play in Game 2 against Spurs on Wednesday, sources tell Y!

[Thread]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)1m (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/327114351607685121)
Three months after hip surgery, Lakers forward Jordan Hill is available and could play in Game 2 against Spurs on Wednesday, sources tell Y!




Great news for amb.

tee, hee.

[whitemamba]

Great news for amb.

tee, hee.

i forgot about that nigga. whats with the rush tbh

[Thread]

i forgot about that nigga. whats with the rush tbh

They're tryin' to get payback on Kobe. Against GS, Houston, maybe Denver that woulda been possible, but, not the Spurs. They know better than to get derailed. They're gonna hammer us like trout meat.

[DMC]

The Lakers need at least a couple playoff wins to make their money back on extra games at Staples. If the Spurs let them get those, I believe they won't be able to recover.

[Thread]

The Lakers need at least a couple playoff wins to make their money back on extra games at Staples. If the Spurs let them get those, I believe they won't be able to recover.

The Spurs (themselves, not you turdhounds) are already in the WCF in their collective minds & strategies. They were thrilled to have Kobe scratched. No fucking chance versus even a slimmest of chances. He's out and they're aware of it and can actually count on it and make extended preparations. We think with our hearts. The Spurs are about their business. As they should be.

[Fergie The Florists]

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs18/f/2007/137/2/e/nWo_Style_Wallpaper_by_lucapoison.jpg

[DMC]

MVPau, making his rounds.