Marc Gasol won Defensive Player of the Year today.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

The rumor is Tim Duncan wasn't even in the top 5.

[Kuestmaster]

fail. so much fail.

[justinandimcool]

oh no we lost the defensive player championship :( :( :(

[Mugen]

The rumor is Tim Duncan wasn't even in the top 5.

:lmao

[ThaBigFundamental21]

This is the NBA in a nutshell.

[Robz4000]

Ya'll are acting like this is a surprise. Prolly gonna be a meltdown when no one on the Spurs makes an All-NBA team this year too.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Figured. Not even in the top 5 though? What a bunch of clown shoe jabronies.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

And Luke Babbitt got a vote for Sixth Man. This is real life.

[Brazil]

:lol

[Raven]

Shameful.

[spurraider21]

So Tim Duncan leads the league in defensive rating, is a superior rebounder and rim protector than Marc Gasol, and he's not expected to come in the top 5?
I'm fine with Marc winning. You can make a great case for him.
- His team's defensive rating difference with him on/off the court is over 7 while Tim's is around 4.5
- He gives up a lower PER to his opponent than Duncan does (however, PER includes stuff like steals/blocks/FT% which have nothing to do with how good Tim's defense is)
- We bring up the fact that Tim anchors an elite defense, well so does Marc

Personally (and admittedly, bias is there) i'd have gone with Tim, but what bothers me is his projected placement in the voting. I'm mad that this was probably his best shot at getting DPOY and now his career with undeservingly go without one, but I'm even more upset with the overall voting results, though nobody will remember that. Now I'm starting to think he won't even make the All defensive 1st team. Center will now undoubtedly be Marc, with the forwards likely to be LeBron and Ibaka. Tim's season deserves better than that

[Brunodf]

:lolFat Gasol can't lead his own team in rebounds/stls/DRtg
:lolHas Conley/T.Allen and a top 5 rebounder on his team
:lol2 rebs vs Monkeyballers

[ThaBigFundamental21]

I just hold out that Tim can have another great year next season, Also, with some of the money we are expected to free up we get some more quality, athletic, young players who help our team and Defense get better. That;s an awful lot of hope, but that's why I'm a fan tbh. I always have faith as long as Tim and Pop are around.

[GrandeDavid]

Marc Gasol has cement in his sneaks. What a weak soss award that has lost all credibility.

[Johnny RIngo]

If Timmy wasn't in the top 5 who the hell was? Duncan's probably the most disrespected all-time great defensive player. When he was leading the league in the impact stats in the early 2000s, they opted to give the award to guys like Wallace who had the better boxscore numbers. When Tim's beasting in the boxscore stats, they instead give it to the guy who has the better impact numbers. Ridiculous bias.

Then again, this is the same NBA that gave Kobe 10+ defensive selections when he hasn't been a good defender for more than a decade now.

[Brunodf]

If Timmy wasn't in the top 5 who the hell was? Duncan's probably the most disrespected all-time great defensive player. When he was leading the league in the impact stats in the early 2000s, they opted to give the award to guys like Wallace who had the better boxscore numbers. When Tim's beasting in the boxscore stats, they instead give it to the guy who has the better impact numbers. Ridiculous bias.
Wut?

[Solid D]

Marc has performed quite well. With that said, it's a sportswriter & broadcaster award.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Marc Gasol has cement in his sneaks. What a weak soss award that has lost all credibility.

This is right on par with Tyson Chandler getting the award last year, for literally doing nothing.

[Johnny RIngo]

I just hold out that Tim can have another great year next season, Also, with some of the money we are expected to free up we get some more quality, athletic, young players who help our team and Defense get better. That;s an awful lot of hope, but that's why I'm a fan tbh. I always have faith as long as Tim and Pop are around.

Dude, Duncan wouldn't even finish top 5 in his PRIME...what makes you think they're going to give it to him now. They gave a fucking DPOY to Camby despite the fact that Nuggets were a horrific defensive team when he was there. The award became a joke as soon coaches were allowed to influence the results with their campaigning BS(Carlisle is notorious for this)

[Cane]

May the basketball gods damn those media voters

[z0sa]

Sad, but the award lost all merit a long time ago.

[will_spurs]

Duncan being one of the best defensive players ever and never getting this award... should tell you all need to know about this award. It's an award for scrubs like Camby, Chandler, Wallace or even Bowen... who have little to no recognition outside of this and will never contend for the real award (MVP). It's a consolation prize. In other words, Duncan is too good to be of DPOY caliber. Giving it to him would almost be a slap in the face.

[Budkin]

Nothing new here. Remember when Ben Wallace beat Bruce Bowen every single year even after he was way past his prime? Duncan's old and boring. Therefore he will not be considered.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Camby takes a lot of heat. But IMHO he was a good defender. Honestly the Nuggets were a terrible Defensive team. Camby's award in similar to the Duncan situation. Mediocre Defensive teams with one good Defensive big. Sad part is Camby got the award on a worse Defensive team. Tim is clearly a better Defensive player than Camby as well, with the Spurs being a better Defensive team than the Nuggets. Duncan just got hosed this year. That is absolutely the only way to look at it. Even if we are being homers, Tim was the better defensive player.

[Budkin]

Duncan being one of the best defensive players ever and never getting this award... should tell you all need to know about this award. It's an award for scrubs like Camby, Chandler, Wallace or even Bowen... who have little to no recognition outside of this and will never contend for the real award (MVP). It's a consolation prize. In other words, Duncan is too good to be of DPOY caliber. Giving it to him would almost be a slap in the face.

Bowen didn't win a single DPOY. Not one. Laughable.

[letmk]

I'm okay with Marc Gasol winning the award. But Tim not even recognized in top 5 is just plain stupid.

[Johnny RIngo]

Camby takes a lot of heat. But IMHO he was a good defender. Honestly the Nuggets were a terrible Defensive team. Camby's award in similar to the Duncan situation. Mediocre Defensive teams with one good Defensive big. Sad part is Camby got the award on a worse Defensive team. Tim is clearly a better Defensive player than Camby as well, with the Spurs being a better Defensive team than the Nuggets. Duncan just got hosed this year. That is absolutely the only way to look at it. Even if we are being homers, Tim was the better defensive player.

The Nuggets weren't even a top ten defense the year Camby won. In fact, Denver's defense IMPROVED when he left and Nene became the defensive anchor. Spurs this year are a top ten defense. I don't see how the situations are comparable.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

The Nuggets weren't even a top ten defense the year Camby won. In fact, Denver's defense IMPROVED when he left and Nene became the defensive anchor. Spurs this year are a top ten defense. I don't see how the situations are comparable.

You are actually right lol. The more of my post I wrote, I started to see there weren't many similarities at all. The only thing similar is I feel they were both good Defensive bigs on mediocre Defensive teams.

[will_spurs]

The only thing similar is I feel they were both good Defensive bigs on mediocre Defensive teams.

Mediocre? Aren't the Spurs 3rd in defense this year? That can't be attributed only to Tim (however much I like him).

[dunkman]

Pippen never won the award, and its difficult to argue he wasn't the best ever wing defender.

[benefactor]

oh no we lost the defensive player championship :( :( :(
:cry awards are so important :cry

[spurraider21]

Wut?

impact numbers aka comparing team's defensive stats with that player on/off the court

[superjames1992]

Let's save the outrage about Timmy not being in the top five until we actually know this is the case, tbh...

[superjames1992]

And, really, this is the San Antonio Spurs. Who gives a hoot? NBA Title or bust. DPOY titles don't mean jack.

[racm]

Duncan being one of the best defensive players ever and never getting this award... should tell you all need to know about this award. It's an award for scrubs like Camby, Chandler, Wallace or even Bowen... who have little to no recognition outside of this and will never contend for the real award (MVP). It's a consolation prize. In other words, Duncan is too good to be of DPOY caliber. Giving it to him would almost be a slap in the face.

I remember once reading in a Zach Lowe article that KG's minutes hurt his All-Star case. Duncan's minutes hurt his MVP case.


And, really, this is the San Antonio Spurs. Who gives a hoot? NBA Title or bust. DPOY titles don't mean jack.

I'm pretty sure Timmy prefers his 3 Finals MVPs to his two season MVPs.

[100%duncan]

Who cares the goal is the :lobt2:

[Solid D]

The NBA coaches vote on the NBA All-Defensive Team each year. The top 5 vote-getters make the First Team. Tim Duncan holds the NBA record for the most total selections with 13.

[crc21209]

The fact that Bowen or TD NEVER won the award in the 03'-08' years is pretty damn sad. But, that's the media for you....

[capek]

...And the DPOY award remains dead to me. No surprise there. :flipoff

[racm]

The fact that Bowen or TD NEVER won the award in the 03'-08' years is pretty damn sad. But, that's the media for you....

Tbh Ben Wallace deserved those DPOYs. Camby didn't, though.

[benefactor]

The NBA coaches vote on the NBA All-Defensive Team each year. The top 5 vote-getters make the First Team. Tim Duncan holds the NBA record for the most total selections with 13.
http://i.imgur.com/32Ghn.gif

[exstatic]

This is the NBA MEDIA in a nutshell.

fify

[exstatic]

It's a media award. There was a time in the last few years when the DPOY didn't even make the coach-voted NBA ALL Defense first team. :lol

[russellgoat]

:( Duncan didn't won an award he didn't deserved :(

[Proxy]

:cry awards are so important :cry

You have a favorite player and you like to see them get the recognition you think they deserve... there's nothing wrong with that, imho.

[dbreiden83080]

Ya'll are acting like this is a surprise. Prolly gonna be a meltdown when no one on the Spurs makes an All-NBA team this year too.

No both Tim and Tony will be on 1 of the 3.. It's basically impossible for that not to happen..

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Mediocre? Aren't the Spurs 3rd in defense this year? That can't be attributed only to Tim (however much I like him).

NO. They were number 3, until the final few weeks. Their D dropped to 11th to finish the year, which tells you they really stunk towards the end.

[dbreiden83080]

Duncan is one of the best big men to ever play D the DPOY means nothing. 8 times he was first team all D and 5 times he was 2nd team and he'll make one of those 2 teams again this year..

[ThaBigFundamental21]

You have a favorite player and you like to see them get the recognition you think they deserve... there's nothing wrong with that, imho.

Thank you. Especially for a player that is nearing the end and has never got an award he deserves. You know what other award is pretty nice, a Larry O'brien trophy.

[mercos]

Sucks that Duncan didn't get it this year, but it is stunning that he has never won the award. The fact that no Spur won it during our years of defensive dominance just shows the award is a joke.

[benefactor]

You have a favorite player and you like to see them get the recognition you think they deserve... there's nothing wrong with that, imho.

It's a media award. There was a time in the last few years when the DPOY didn't even make the coach-voted NBA ALL Defense first team. :lol

[Supreme_Being]

I bet timmy doesn't give two shits about who won dpoy

[SpursFanaticInVegas]

Marc Gasol has cement in his sneaks. What a weak soss award that has lost all credibility.

Im trying to wrap my head around the thought process of some of these writers. Do they know what DEFENSE is?

[Ice009]

You are actually right lol. The more of my post I wrote, I started to see there weren't many similarities at all. The only thing similar is I feel they were both good Defensive bigs on mediocre Defensive teams.

Camby didn't even guard Tim in the playoffs that season. The Nuggets had Nene guard Tim for that whole playoff series. That is a joke for a defensive player of the year, can't even guard the other teams best big man. Fair enough if Camby was a guard, but he was supposed to be a mobile big. lol, total joke of an award. Camby wasn't even that good of a defender like you're saying he is.

Bruce or Tim should have wont he award that year hands down. This season Tim should have won the award hands down.

I actually like the Grizzlies, love that they are a defense first team, but this has kind of pissed me off.

[Ice009]

Tbh Ben Wallace deserved those DPOYs. Camby didn't, though.

Why did Ben Wallace deserve it? Because he sucked on offense and couldn't do anything else except rebound and play defense? Is that why he deserved it? Much better winner than Camby, but still didn't deserve that many of those awards IMO. The Pistons played solid defense 1 through 5, Spurs mainly relied on TD and Bruce.

[Brunodf]

And the DPOY Fat Gasol gets his shit pushed again.
CP3 scored 8 straight points to end the game(6 in PnRs over Gasol)

[Timmy4ever]

fuk this award.

[The Reckoning]

The NBA coaches vote on the NBA All-Defensive Team each year. The top 5 vote-getters make the First Team. Tim Duncan holds the NBA record for the most total selections with 13.


and boom goes the dynamite

[tuncaboylu]

Not important.

[Horse]

Whoever is voting should be required to have league pass. Fucking morons!

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Anyone know if this becomes official tomorrow? The announcement. I still can't get over this.

[TheGoldStandard]

Pretty shitty that a nearly 37 year old man has better stats than the would be Defensive Player of the year which is an individual honor not a team honor and yet doesn't get the nod.. For shame.

[spurraider21]

...And the DPOY award remains dead to me. No surprise there. :flipoff

Marcus Camby




:lmao

[ohmwrecker]

Meh . . . better than Larry Sanders. I didn't think Duncan had a real shot anyway.

[Richie]

Duncan coming in 6th, not far behind Noah and Allen. Ibaka way too high.

At least he's probably guaranteed an all defensive nod.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

What a joke. The official results are freakin AWFUL!!! God damn sham.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

http://espn.go.com/nba/conversations/_/id/9207559/marc-gasol-memphis-grizzlies-wins-defensive-player-year-honors

[bklynspursfan]

Lebron and Ibaka have no place in the top 3.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Duncan finishes 6th.

[007nites]

No worries Tim will win it next season at age 38.

[superbigtime]

I said earlier this season how disgusted I'd be if Tim didn't win DPOY. Was right. Shoulda gotten top 3 I mean come on. I don't get it.

[Stabula]

Responding to this thread is the same feeling I get when I have diarrhea.