Kobe the leader: How he performed in elimination games since 2005.

[ambchang]

So there has been much talk about Kobe being the leader, and as a leader, you are expected to lead by example, and according to Kobe fans, will your team to wins under difficult situations.

What is more difficult than an elimination game in the playoffs? So let’s look at how Kobe shot in elimination games since 2005.
2005:
No games, didn’t make playoffs.

2006:
Game 7 vs. PHO. 8 for 16 FG, including 4 for 8 on 3s and 4 for 5 on FTs for 24 points. People may not know, but this is only one of the two games Kobe shot 50% or more from the field in elimination games since the departure of Shaq. Looks like a great line, only that Kobe refused to shoot after half time for reasons only he would know. Lakers lost, BIG.

2007:
Game 5 vs. PHO. 13 for 33 FG, 2 for 8 3P, 6 for 7 FT for 34 points. Hey, people may have forgotten, but before Pau was the complimentary player, Lamar Odom was the official whipping boy of Laker fans. The Lakers ALWAYS lose because of Lamar, but then again, in this game, Lamar actually shot 13 for 21 on FGA for 33 points. He may have been able to help some more if he saw the ball a little more, but hey, it’s an elimination game, and we KNOW Kobe has to shoot at least a third of the FG, so there you go. Lakers lost.
2008:
Game 6 vs. BOS. 7 for 22 FGA, including 3 for 9 on 3s and 5 for 5 on FTs for 22 points. His complimentary players didn’t step up in this game. In fact, they didn’t even see the ball much as nobody else shot the ball more than 8 times with Kobe getting more than 1/3 of all FGAs. Lakers lost.

2009:
Game 7 vs. HOU. 4 for 12 FGA, including 1-4 on 3s and 5-6 on FTs for 14 points. Whew, are we glad that “complimentary player” Pau Gasol got 10 for 19 for 21 points with 18 rebounds. What a complimentary player! Outdoing the leader yet again. Lakers win.

2010:
Game 7 vs. BOS. Doesn’t’ get any clutcher than this. 6 for 24 from the field, 0 for 6 from 3, and 11 for 15 from the FT line. Wow, really? 15 FTA for a perimeter player? Oh, right, 37 FTA for the lakers in total compared to 17 for the Celtics when the two teams were relatively even for the previous 6 games. Top it off, a huge amount of those 37 FTA came in the 4th quarter. Funny as hell. Anyways, back to topic. 23 high inefficient points. Luckily, complimentary player Pau Gasol shot 6 for 15, for 19 points to go along with 18 rebounds, and MWP shot 7 for 18. Lakers win.

2011:
Game 4 vs. Mavs: 7 for 18, 0 for5 on 3s and 3 for 4 from FT line, for 17 points. Everybody sucked on the Lakers that day, and they were promptly eliminated, swept in fact, by the eventual champions.

2012:
Game 7 vs. Nuggets, 7 for 16 FGA, and 1 for 4 on FTs for 17 points. Smashing! In the same game “complimentary player Pau Gasol shot 9 for 19 for 23 points, and added another 17 rebounds. Lakers win

Game 5 vs. OKC. 18 for 33 FGA, including 1 for 6 on 3s and 5-7 on FTAs for an amazing 42 points. Can’t blame him on this game. Too bad, all of that effort couldn’t get the Lakers past the 2nd round, as the rest of the team only shot 42 FG in total.

2013:
No elimination games, Kobe injured.

So there you have it folks. Great leader, leading by example in the toughest of the tough games. Kudos.

[Thread]

So there has been much talk about Kobe being the leader, and as a leader, you are expected to lead by example, and according to Kobe fans, will your team to wins under difficult situations.

What is more difficult than an elimination game in the playoffs? So let’s look at how Kobe shot in elimination games since 2005.
2005:
No games, didn’t make playoffs.

2006:
Game 7 vs. PHO. 8 for 16 FG, including 4 for 8 on 3s and 4 for 5 on FTs for 24 points. People may not know, but this is only one of the two games Kobe shot 50% or more from the field in elimination games since the departure of Shaq. Looks like a great line, only that Kobe refused to shoot after half time for reasons only he would know. Lakers lost, BIG.

2007:
Game 5 vs. PHO. 13 for 33 FG, 2 for 8 3P, 6 for 7 FT for 34 points. Hey, people may have forgotten, but before Pau was the complimentary player, Lamar Odom was the official whipping boy of Laker fans. The Lakers ALWAYS lose because of Lamar, but then again, in this game, Lamar actually shot 13 for 21 on FGA for 33 points. He may have been able to help some more if he saw the ball a little more, but hey, it’s an elimination game, and we KNOW Kobe has to shoot at least a third of the FG, so there you go. Lakers lost.
2008:
Game 6 vs. BOS. 7 for 22 FGA, including 3 for 9 on 3s and 5 for 5 on FTs for 22 points. His complimentary players didn’t step up in this game. In fact, they didn’t even see the ball much as nobody else shot the ball more than 8 times with Kobe getting more than 1/3 of all FGAs. Lakers lost.

2009:
Game 7 vs. HOU. 4 for 12 FGA, including 1-4 on 3s and 5-6 on FTs for 14 points. Whew, are we glad that “complimentary player” Pau Gasol got 10 for 19 for 21 points with 18 rebounds. What a complimentary player! Outdoing the leader yet again. Lakers win.

2010:
Game 7 vs. BOS. Doesn’t’ get any clutcher than this. 6 for 24 from the field, 0 for 6 from 3, and 11 for 15 from the FT line. Wow, really? 15 FTA for a perimeter player? Oh, right, 37 FTA for the lakers in total compared to 17 for the Celtics when the two teams were relatively even for the previous 6 games. Top it off, a huge amount of those 37 FTA came in the 4th quarter. Funny as hell. Anyways, back to topic. 23 high inefficient points. Luckily, complimentary player Pau Gasol shot 6 for 15, for 19 points to go along with 18 rebounds, and MWP shot 7 for 18. Lakers win.

2011:
Game 4 vs. Mavs: 7 for 18, 0 for5 on 3s and 3 for 4 from FT line, for 17 points. Everybody sucked on the Lakers that day, and they were promptly eliminated, swept in fact, by the eventual champions.

2012:
Game 7 vs. Nuggets, 7 for 16 FGA, and 1 for 4 on FTs for 17 points. Smashing! In the same game “complimentary player Pau Gasol shot 9 for 19 for 23 points, and added another 17 rebounds. Lakers win

Game 5 vs. OKC. 18 for 33 FGA, including 1 for 6 on 3s and 5-7 on FTAs for an amazing 42 points. Can’t blame him on this game. Too bad, all of that effort couldn’t get the Lakers past the 2nd round, as the rest of the team only shot 42 FG in total.

2013:
No elimination games, Kobe injured.

So there you have it folks. Great leader, leading by example in the toughest of the tough games. Kudos.

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[StrengthAndHonor]

1/10

[Mugen]

I don't care about just another fan tbh.

[LkrFan]

Since 2005:

Kobe - 2
TD - 1

[ambchang]

1/10

Kobe shot better than that, give that man his credit.


Since 2005:

Kobe - 2
TD - 1

Also, Gasol 2, TD 1.

[TDMVPDPOY]

how come 04 isnt included? fake ass leader like the spurs fake ass leader

[ambchang]

how come 04 isnt included? fake ass leader like the spurs fake ass leader

Kobe wasn't the leader in 04, he tried to be and shot the Lakers out of the finals, but he still wasn't the leader.

[JamStone]

You care too much. During the NBA playoffs when Kobe is ass back on a hospital bed trying to poke some white trash teenage candystriper, this thread is about as relevant as Russell Westbrook's fashion sense or Derrick Rose's academic resume. Kobe has sucked in big games. He's a selfish chucker with a horrible shooting percentage in those games. I think Kobe's own kids know that. So what's the point right now? He's not playing. He's not newsworthy. Kobe should be ignored like a Kool offer to wager a bet. But for some reason, he's still on people's minds, Kobe fanbois and Kobe haters alike.

For these playoffs, fuck Kobe. He's not a part of it. Let him wallow in his own self pity and his own mamba ego. Stop talking about him and stop paying attention to his stupid fucking tweets. He's no more relevant to NBA conversation right now than my Detroit Pistons.

[Clipper Nation]

ambchang shitting on the Kobetards he's supposed to shit on, tbh....

[Thread]

Kobe wasn't the leader in 04, he tried to be and shot the Lakers out of the finals, but he still wasn't the leader.

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Thread]

So what's the point right now?

Here's the point, and it don't go away just cuz he's in the hospital:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[ambchang]

You care too much. During the NBA playoffs when Kobe is ass back on a hospital bed trying to poke some white trash teenage candystriper, this thread is about as relevant as Russell Westbrook's fashion sense or Derrick Rose's academic resume. Kobe has sucked in big games. He's a selfish chucker with a horrible shooting percentage in those games. I think Kobe's own kids know that. So what's the point right now? He's not playing. He's not newsworthy. Kobe should be ignored like a Kool offer to wager a bet. But for some reason, he's still on people's minds, Kobe fanbois and Kobe haters alike.

For these playoffs, fuck Kobe. He's not a part of it. Let him wallow in his own self pity and his own mamba ego. Stop talking about him and stop paying attention to his stupid fucking tweets. He's no more relevant to NBA conversation right now than my Detroit Pistons.

But Jammie, as students of the game, we have to look at interesting personalities, even when these are fringe top 20 players. Kobe's time is coming to an end, and as a fan of basketball, I am privileged to have watched such a skilled scorer. I want to put some perspective, and give where credit is due. He is probably one of the most difficult player to rank all-time, just as it was for player like John Havlicek. Fantastic longevity on very stacked team throughout their respective careers have warped their legacy.

[JamStone]

You shouldn't give a fuck about Kobe right now. No one should. You started this thread to irk Kobe fanbois. But it's really pointless, especially during the playoffs while Kobe is an invalid spectator nobody should give any attention to.

[Thread]

You shouldn't give a fuck about Kobe right now. No one should. You started this thread to irk Kobe fanbois. But it's really pointless, especially during the playoffs while Kobe is an invalid spectator nobody should give any attention to.

tee, hee. amb gets a sparklin' clean clock out of it.

[ambchang]

You shouldn't give a fuck about Kobe right now. No one should. You started this thread to irk Kobe fanbois. But it's really pointless, especially during the playoffs while Kobe is an invalid spectator nobody should give any attention to.

Why not? I am still giving attention to Magic, Shaq, Barkley, Miller, and Kenny Smith. Hey, I see them (or their tweets) on TV, they are all still in the spotlight.

I want to do an analysis on the other players, but none of them have such a consistent crappiness of elimination games.

[Thread]

Why not? I am still giving attention to Magic, Shaq, Barkley, Miller, and Kenny Smith. Hey, I see them (or their tweets) on TV, they are all still in the spotlight.

I want to do an analysis on the other players, but none of them have such a consistent crappiness of elimination games.

Crawl, motherfucker, crawl!!!

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[StrengthAndHonor]

Jamstone is right. Your timing is just wrong. 16 teams are competing in the playoffs and you create this thread over someone who's not relevant. Its just someone dying for attention. I mean if that's your thing, cool. I personally thought it was weak. You should learn from Mid. Dude always knows when to take a shit on Kobe and his legions always bites :lol

[spurraider21]

Here's the point, and it don't go away just cuz he's in the hospital:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

only pussies and assholes resort to parrot tactics

[ambchang]

Jamstone is right. Your timing is just wrong. 16 teams are competing in the playoffs and you create this thread over someone who's not relevant. Its just someone dying for attention. I mean if that's your thing, cool. I personally thought it was weak. You should learn from Mid. Dude always knows when to take a shit on Kobe and his legions always bites :lol

Well given that the Lakers are facing the Spurs right now, and the talks of Pau being a weak leader popped up, it is only natural to see how Kobe performed as a leader when he was healthy.

Turned out, not very well.

[FkLA]

:cry but theres not a guy Id rather have taking one big shot in a big game he has mamba blood running through his veins:cry

[HI-FI]

2010:
Game 7 vs. BOS. Doesn’t’ get any clutcher than this. 6 for 24 from the field, 0 for 6 from 3, and 11 for 15 from the FT line. Wow, really? 15 FTA for a perimeter player? Oh, right, 37 FTA for the lakers in total compared to 17 for the Celtics when the two teams were relatively even for the previous 6 games. Top it off, a huge amount of those 37 FTA came in the 4th quarter. Funny as hell. Anyways, back to topic. 23 high inefficient points. Luckily, complimentary player Pau Gasol shot 6 for 15, for 19 points to go along with 18 rebounds, and MWP shot 7 for 18. Lakers win.




great analysis as usual. what's funny about this elimination game was I wasn't even shocked by the Laker FT advantage. I knew it was coming. I knew there was no way the league would let MJ 2.0 lose that one, too much marketing at stake.

sure old fart Dale will parrot his usual line, but The Contradiction shows he knows whats up. He needs Stern for that peace of mind.

Kobe's legacy will be a triumph of marketing and media, of style over substance. least with Lebron we have someone who lives up to the hype. and is actually relevant right now, not tweeting to steal attention away from the team.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

:lol ambchang dropping truth bombs on kobe's fan club

[Arcadian]

:lol Notice how only Kobe sympathizers are critical of this thread, calling it "irrelevant" or "bad timing."

...which is merely side-stepping the point. Kobe is overrated as a clutch performer. It might go against your biased intuition, and it might not be breaking news, but it's the truth.

It is relevant. How many Laker fans have been saying "We would win this series with Kobe"? If nothing else, this thread is directed at that group.

[Arcadian]

Since 2005:

Kobe - 2
TD - 1

Actually, if you look at the original post, we were beginning with the 2004-05 season. Duncan won the championship that year. Therefore, the count since 2005 is 2 apiece.

[Thread]

only pussies and assholes

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[Thread]

It is relevant. How many Laker fans have been saying "We would win this series with Kobe"? If nothing else, this thread is directed at that group.

Only pussies & assholes play the injury card.

[Koolaid_Man]

Just thought it worth mentioning that Timmy's had his tongue ring and tramp stamp almost 14 yrs now.
That's a lot of cock work.

[Thread]

Actually, if you look at the original post, we were beginning with the 2004-05 season. Duncan won the championship that year. Therefore, the count since 2005 is 2 apiece.

Or, boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[spurraider21]

only pussies and assholes resort to parrot tactics


I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

case in point

[Thread]

least with Lebron we have someone who lives up to the hype. and is actually relevant right now

CHARGE!!!

[Thread]

Jamstone is right. Your timing is just wrong. 16 teams are competing in the playoffs and you create this thread over someone who's not relevant. Its just someone dying for attention. I mean if that's your thing, cool. I personally thought it was weak.

S&H sockin' it to amb.

LMAO!!!

[Arcadian]

Only pussies & assholes play the injury card.

I agree. So how many cards are you left with, exactly? Is it time the play the "Spurs are better than the Lakers" card yet?

[Thread]

I agree. So how many cards are you left with, exactly? Is it time the play the "Spurs are better than the Lakers" card yet?

I did that months ago.

[LkrFan]

Actually, if you look at the original post, we were beginning with the 2004-05 season. Duncan won the championship that year. Therefore, the count since 2005 is 2 apiece.
"Since 2005" = 2005-2006 season, classhole.

:downspin:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nice job exposing yourself as not having a clue as to what you're talking about.

06 vs Suns and 09 vs Rockets were blowouts.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Take a look at some of these road games between Kobe and Pau the "leader"

2010 WCF

Game 3

Kobe: 36-9-11 on 13-24/2-8/8-8
Pau: 23-9-2 on 11-14/0-0/1-2

Game 4

Kobe: 38-7-10 on 15-22/6-9/2-4
Pau: 15-5-3 on 6-14/0-0/3-5

Game 6

Kobe: 37-6-2 on 12-25/3-8/10-11
Pau: 9-7-2 on 2-9/0-0/5-6

[Deuce Bigalow]

2010 Finals

Game 3

Kobe: 29-7-4 on 10-29/1-7/8-8
Pau: 13-10-4 on 5-11/0-0/3-6

Game 4

Kobe: 33-6-2 on 10-22/6-11/7-8
Pau: 21-6-3 on 6-13/0-0/9-10

Game 5

Kobe: 38-5-4 on 13-27/4-10/8-9
Pau: 12-12-0 on 5-12/0-0/2-3

What a leader MVPau is

[Kulo]

Take a look at some of these road games between Kobe and Pau the "leader"

2010 WCF

Game 3

Kobe: 36-9-11 on 13-24/2-8/8-8
Pau: 23-9-2 on 11-14/0-0/1-2

Game 4

Kobe: 38-7-10 on 15-22/6-9/2-4
Pau: 15-5-3 on 6-14/0-0/3-5

Game 6

Kobe: 37-6-2 on 12-25/3-8/10-11
Pau: 9-7-2 on 2-9/0-0/5-6
Look no further than the next series against us to find the truth, tbh no one said Pau was a "leader" just that Kobe is a shit one.

[Thread]

Look no further than the next series against us to find the truth, tbh no one said Pau was a "leader" just that Kobe is a shit one.

Yeah, that's one the where Pierce lied and then compounded his lie by letting Artest take his pants down & off AFTER The Shovel.

You all wanted him to jack that POS up, miss it and then live to tell. Uh, uh.

[Kulo]

Yeah, that's one the where Pierce lied and then compounded his lie by letting Artest take his pants down & off AFTER The Shovel.

You all wanted him to jack that POS up, miss it and then live to tell. Uh, uh.
Because Pierce is completely relevant to Pau Gasol and Kobe's "leadership" :lol.

[Killakobe81]

So there has been much talk about Kobe being the leader, and as a leader, you are expected to lead by example, and according to Kobe fans, will your team to wins under difficult situations.

What is more difficult than an elimination game in the playoffs? So let’s look at how Kobe shot in elimination games since 2005.
2005:
No games, didn’t make playoffs.

2006:
Game 7 vs. PHO. 8 for 16 FG, including 4 for 8 on 3s and 4 for 5 on FTs for 24 points. People may not know, but this is only one of the two games Kobe shot 50% or more from the field in elimination games since the departure of Shaq. Looks like a great line, only that Kobe refused to shoot after half time for reasons only he would know. Lakers lost, BIG.

2007:
Game 5 vs. PHO. 13 for 33 FG, 2 for 8 3P, 6 for 7 FT for 34 points. Hey, people may have forgotten, but before Pau was the complimentary player, Lamar Odom was the official whipping boy of Laker fans. The Lakers ALWAYS lose because of Lamar, but then again, in this game, Lamar actually shot 13 for 21 on FGA for 33 points. He may have been able to help some more if he saw the ball a little more, but hey, it’s an elimination game, and we KNOW Kobe has to shoot at least a third of the FG, so there you go. Lakers lost.
2008:
Game 6 vs. BOS. 7 for 22 FGA, including 3 for 9 on 3s and 5 for 5 on FTs for 22 points. His complimentary players didn’t step up in this game. In fact, they didn’t even see the ball much as nobody else shot the ball more than 8 times with Kobe getting more than 1/3 of all FGAs. Lakers lost.

2009:
Game 7 vs. HOU. 4 for 12 FGA, including 1-4 on 3s and 5-6 on FTs for 14 points. Whew, are we glad that “complimentary player” Pau Gasol got 10 for 19 for 21 points with 18 rebounds. What a complimentary player! Outdoing the leader yet again. Lakers win.

2010:
Game 7 vs. BOS. Doesn’t’ get any clutcher than this. 6 for 24 from the field, 0 for 6 from 3, and 11 for 15 from the FT line. Wow, really? 15 FTA for a perimeter player? Oh, right, 37 FTA for the lakers in total compared to 17 for the Celtics when the two teams were relatively even for the previous 6 games. Top it off, a huge amount of those 37 FTA came in the 4th quarter. Funny as hell. Anyways, back to topic. 23 high inefficient points. Luckily, complimentary player Pau Gasol shot 6 for 15, for 19 points to go along with 18 rebounds, and MWP shot 7 for 18. Lakers win.

2011:
Game 4 vs. Mavs: 7 for 18, 0 for5 on 3s and 3 for 4 from FT line, for 17 points. Everybody sucked on the Lakers that day, and they were promptly eliminated, swept in fact, by the eventual champions.

2012:
Game 7 vs. Nuggets, 7 for 16 FGA, and 1 for 4 on FTs for 17 points. Smashing! In the same game “complimentary player Pau Gasol shot 9 for 19 for 23 points, and added another 17 rebounds. Lakers win

Game 5 vs. OKC. 18 for 33 FGA, including 1 for 6 on 3s and 5-7 on FTAs for an amazing 42 points. Can’t blame him on this game. Too bad, all of that effort couldn’t get the Lakers past the 2nd round, as the rest of the team only shot 42 FG in total.

2013:
No elimination games, Kobe injured.

So there you have it folks. Great leader, leading by example in the toughest of the tough games. Kudos.

Just last week it was a Team sport ...(yawn) :nope
Oh is that only when it suits your argument? :rollin
How about some of the leaders (YOUR STORY) ... Pau's numbers in those same elimination games ....why don't you :wakeup

:lmao Called this thread the momemt Mercos posted ...

Amb: "But, but I dont hate Achilles ... Im just exposing the truth" ... GTFO Chris Hansen, go catch a predator ...

The Booty Warrior is out there somewhere ... and he got a stiffy with your name on it ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_wWdTryqLY

[Latarian Milton]

stats speak the loudest but sometimes they can be misleading too. kobe's ego has definitely cost the lakers some crucial games but the majority of time he's a decent leader of this team imho. when kobe shoots bad but still takes massive shots, it basically means the rest of team shoot even worse, so it might probably be the best choice to make in that case imho.

[Killakobe81]

I don't care about just another fan tbh.

Mugen for this year I agree with you how is he even relevant right now?

[j-money24]

OP forgot to mention that Kobe grabbed 15 rebounds against the Celtics in game 7... Delusional Spurs fan like always

[Deuce Bigalow]

OP forgot to mention that Kobe grabbed 15 rebounds against the Celtics in game 7... Delusional Spurs fan like always
And he put Gasol's rebounds LMAO

:lmao

[irishock]

The suicide drive
The 15 rebounds
Going up 5-4 on June 17th

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[Thread]

The suicide drive
The 15 rebounds
Going up 5-4 on June 17th

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Yes. It got within view and Bryant grabbed for it, near maniacally, hence the suicide drives. It wasn't what Media wanted. That's why they've never honored the pass to Artest. They wanted him to launch that, miss it and for Boston to win off that miscalculation. They wanted Vuj to march to that ft line and choke. There was no story at victory. Like I've said a dozen times:::Media gets two bites at the apple if Boston wins. They get to laud Boston and beat us half to death. Media gets no bites at the apple if the Lakers win. They won't laud us, and they won't touch Boston with a ten foot pole. Media wanted that for Boston, that would have resurrected the old days and Media would have exploited that to a pitch that I can't even imagine. Bryant knew that without being told, even though I'll gurantee Magic warmed him repeatedly and at length. Fish knew it too. That's why he cold cocked Kobe early in the 2nd quarter and got him straightened out. "I can stop it, and stop them, Kobe, but, I can't take us to it. That's you. You'll have to take us. Get on with it." Bryant's instincts took over then. What's the first thing you learn when you're playing HS school ball? "Stay away from that janitor named Dale." No, not that. When in doubt go to the paint. That's what Kobe did. He played defense and he went to the paint for rebounds and then in the fourth quarter for the 2 drives.

Good memories. I love rolling it over in my mind again, and again, and again.

[jimbo]

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[ambchang]

Take a look at some of these road games between Kobe and Pau the "leader"

2010 WCF

Game 3

Kobe: 36-9-11 on 13-24/2-8/8-8
Pau: 23-9-2 on 11-14/0-0/1-2

Game 4

Kobe: 38-7-10 on 15-22/6-9/2-4
Pau: 15-5-3 on 6-14/0-0/3-5

Game 6

Kobe: 37-6-2 on 12-25/3-8/10-11
Pau: 9-7-2 on 2-9/0-0/5-6


2010 Finals

Game 3

Kobe: 29-7-4 on 10-29/1-7/8-8
Pau: 13-10-4 on 5-11/0-0/3-6

Game 4

Kobe: 33-6-2 on 10-22/6-11/7-8
Pau: 21-6-3 on 6-13/0-0/9-10

Game 5

Kobe: 38-5-4 on 13-27/4-10/8-9
Pau: 12-12-0 on 5-12/0-0/2-3

What a leader MVPau is

Were those elimination games? Why do you want to bring in irrelevant topics to this thread? If you want to talk about how Kobe performed where there is less pressure, you can start a new thread.

I have an idea for the thread title "How Kobe performed when MVPau isn't needed in non-elimination games".

[ambchang]

Just last week it was a Team sport ...(yawn) :nope
Oh is that only when it suits your argument? :rollin
How about some of the leaders (YOUR STORY) ... Pau's numbers in those same elimination games ....why don't you :wakeup

:lmao Called this thread the momemt Mercos posted ...

Amb: "But, but I dont hate Achilles ... Im just exposing the truth" ... GTFO Chris Hansen, go catch a predator ...

The Booty Warrior is out there somewhere ... and he got a stiffy with your name on it ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_wWdTryqLY

Of course it is a team sport. You can see how "leader" Kobe won a vast majority of those games despite playing like crap, and "letting" MVPau or Mr. Kadarshian take over.

[ambchang]

OP forgot to mention that Kobe grabbed 15 rebounds against the Celtics in game 7... Delusional Spurs fan like always

Do you really want me to talk about rebounds? MVPau got 9 OFFENSIVE rebounds off Kobe misses that game. If it wasn't for MVPau, Kobe wouldn't even have 24 shots.

BTW, what happened to the other games. Care to comment on them?

:( In 9 seasons worth of elimination games, Kobe managed to grab 15 rebounds in one of those games
:( Which is still less than MVPau's 18 for the game.
:( Such a leader
:( Those 15 rebounds justifies him shooting like crap in 7 out of the 9 elimination games
:(
:(

[Killakobe81]

Do you really want me to talk about rebounds? MVPau got 9 OFFENSIVE rebounds off Kobe misses that game. If it wasn't for MVPau, Kobe wouldn't even have 24 shots.

BTW, what happened to the other games. Care to comment on them?

:( In 9 seasons worth of elimination games, Kobe managed to grab 15 rebounds in one of those games
:( Which is still less than MVPau's 18 for the game.
:( Such a leader
:( Those 15 rebounds justifies him shooting like crap in 7 out of the 9 elimination games
:(
:(

No Achilles for 6 months still obsessed

[ambchang]

No Achilles for 6 months still obsessed

Hey, the Spurs are playing the Lakers right now, and I am scared poopooless by MVPau, especially now that he is unleashed. Without Kobe to put up 6 for 24 games and taking shots away from MVPau, the Spurs are in danger.

Of course I am obsessed.

[Relevancy]

You know if people wouldn't respond to the OP he'd go away, it seems to me that his posting motive revolves Bryant.

[mercos]

The argument from OP is false to begin with. You don't have to be clutch to be a leader. I don't think Kobe is clutch, as your numbers dictate. A leader can lead by example, or they can lead through intimidation. There are a number of other ways a leader can lead as well. Kobe was hand picked by the Laker organization as leader when they sent Shaq packing. The Kobe hate is clouding some people's vision around here.

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Hey, the Spurs are playing the Lakers right now, and I am scared poopooless by MVPau, especially now that he is unleashed. Without Kobe to put up 6 for 24 games and taking shots away from MVPau, the Spurs are in danger.

Of course I am obsessed.

Count yerself fortunate. With Kobe at 6 for 24 the Celtics ended up dead in the ground. Though upon reflection you suffered as well:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Thread]

The argument from OP is false to begin with. You don't have to be clutch to be a leader. I don't think Kobe is clutch, as your numbers dictate. A leader can lead by example, or they can lead through intimidation. There are a number of other ways a leader can lead as well. Kobe was hand picked by the Laker organization as leader when they sent Shaq packing. The Kobe hate is clouding some people's vision around here.

mercos

[Deuce Bigalow]

Do you really want me to talk about rebounds? MVPau got 9 OFFENSIVE rebounds off Kobe misses that game. If it wasn't for MVPau, Kobe wouldn't even have 24 shots.

BTW, what happened to the other games. Care to comment on them?

:( In 9 seasons worth of elimination games, Kobe managed to grab 15 rebounds in one of those games
:( Which is still less than MVPau's 18 for the game.
:( Such a leader
:( Those 15 rebounds justifies him shooting like crap in 7 out of the 9 elimination games
:(
:(
Yeah lets talk about how Kobe averaged the same amount of rebounds as 7-foot "MVP" Pau in the 2010 WCF.

Lol who cares if he had less rebounds than a 7-footer. Do you know how stupid you sound? Comparing a guard and a PF in rebounds...

[ambchang]

Yeah lets talk about how Kobe averaged the same amount of rebounds as 7-foot "MVP" Pau in the 2010 WCF.

Lol who cares if he had less rebounds than a 7-footer. Do you know how stupid you sound? Comparing a guard and a PF in rebounds...

You brought up rebounds in the first place, that's why I placed it there. But now that MVPau got better numbers :( You are retarded :(

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^Jammie yesterday morning. Mercos this morning, amb.

They busted your ass, sonny-boy.

ha, ha.

[ambchang]

The argument from OP is false to begin with. You don't have to be clutch to be a leader. I don't think Kobe is clutch, as your numbers dictate. A leader can lead by example, or they can lead through intimidation. There are a number of other ways a leader can lead as well. Kobe was hand picked by the Laker organization as leader when they sent Shaq packing. The Kobe hate is clouding some people's vision around here.

I agree with you, and I felt this is a horrible metric to gauge a leader. In fact, we all know Derek Fisher has been the Lakers leader for the longest time. But then Laker fans have long insisted that Kobe is the leader because he led the team in scoring, which, to me, is retarded. However, I took that retarded criteria, and applied it to see how Kobe led, using Laker fan's own criteria, during the toughest of the moments, and the results were that he sucked. He was horrible most of the time, and there really wasn't any two ways about it.

In fact, the more he sucked, the more the Lakers won in those situations, because he wasn't taking shots away from MVPau and Odom.

[ambchang]

^Jammie yesterday morning. Mercos this morning, amb.

They busted your ass, sonny-boy.

ha, ha.

You mean how they can't handle the numbers and went on something irrelevant?

I suppose you parroting the same two of three irrelevant lines over and over again the last two years was actually you thinking you were busting somebody else's ass, which explains why you were doing it.

Here's a tip for you, you weren't.

:( I can't argue so I am piggybacking on somebody else's contributions, just like my idol Kobe.
:( Can't argue the facts, so talking about how the timing of a thread is bad is winning an argument
:( Disagreeing with the original premise without even knowing the history of an argument is busting ass

[Killakobe81]

You care too much. During the NBA playoffs when Kobe is ass back on a hospital bed trying to poke some white trash teenage candystriper, this thread is about as relevant as Russell Westbrook's fashion sense or Derrick Rose's academic resume. Kobe has sucked in big games. He's a selfish chucker with a horrible shooting percentage in those games. I think Kobe's own kids know that. So what's the point right now? He's not playing. He's not newsworthy. Kobe should be ignored like a Kool offer to wager a bet. But for some reason, he's still on people's minds, Kobe fanbois and Kobe haters alike.

For these playoffs, fuck Kobe. He's not a part of it. Let him wallow in his own self pity and his own mamba ego. Stop talking about him and stop paying attention to his stupid fucking tweets. He's no more relevant to NBA conversation right now than my Detroit Pistons.

Amen I refuse to even speak his name ...

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You mean how they can't handle the numbers and went on something irrelevant?

I suppose you parroting the same two of three irrelevant lines over and over again the last two years was actually you thinking you were busting somebody else's ass, which explains why you were doing it.

Here's a tip for you, you weren't.

:( I can't argue so I am piggybacking on somebody else's contributions, just like my idol Kobe.
:( Can't argue the facts, so talking about how the timing of a thread is bad is winning an argument
:( Disagreeing with the original premise without even knowing the history of an argument is busting ass

Neither one has a vested interest in Kobe, or, the Lakers.

[Killakobe81]

LOL amb butthurt because he posts numbers but no one cares ... Sure Achilles has struggled some in big games but all great players do MJ and Magic included ...but somehow that makes Pau laader? But wait K sucked as the leader ...so which is it? Was he the leader or not? And why can't u just admit you despise Achilles Amb? Plenty on here freely admit it and its not like you have any credibility on the subject matter because Stevie Wonder sitting in a basement at night with the lights off can see your hate. I dont like Paul Pierce, Celtic. Great player underrated by some overrated by others. Whenevervi discuss his legacy I freely admit because I'm self aware enough to know its there.

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LOL amb butthurt because he posts numbers but no one cares ... Sure Achilles has struggled some in big games but all great players do MJ and Magic included ...but somehow that makes Pau a leader? But wait Kobe sucked as the leader ...so which is it?

He's incensed over the 5-4 count. That's it. And that's all.

[Clipper Nation]

LOL amb butthurt because he posts numbers but no one cares ...
I care, tbh.... ambchang continues to bring the goods, and nothing but the goods, tbh....

[Killakobe81]

I care, tbh.... ambchang continues to bring the goods, and nothing but the goods, tbh....

CN is in your corner Amb, take heart blind leading the blind ...(hate wise)

Tell me when you eat Ambs ass does he make you use syrup or jelly?

[ambchang]

Neither one has a vested interest in Kobe, or, the Lakers.

LOL, Jammie said multiple times that he is a Kobe fan.

I don't know about mercos though, and I agree with almost everything he said.

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I care, tbh.... ambchang (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=986) continues to bring the goods, and nothing but the goods, tbh....

You're up 1-0. It's easy to love that fuck at this juncture. We'll see how you feel when OKC plants a McVeigh in your ass and detonates it. Then we'll see if you love amb. Then we'll see if you're truly still butt buddies. Then, then we'll see.

[Killakobe81]

LOL, Jammie said multiple times that he is a Kobe fan.

I don't know about mercos though, and I agree with almost everything he said.
Jam is but also has called him out as well ...

[Clipper Nation]

CN is in your corner Amb, take heart blind leading the blind ...(hate wise)

Tell me when you eat Ambs ass does he make you use syrup or jelly?
Damn, B, you're salty as fuck :lol

:cry "Leave my Kirby alooooone!!!" :cry

[ambchang]

I care, tbh.... ambchang continues to bring the goods, and nothing but the goods, tbh....

Thanks CN. Just here to be a good fan of the game, instead of following the masses blindly.

It pains me, you see, to have to bring down a fantastic basketball player like Kobe to let everybody understand the context. I am in no way saying Kobe is a horrible player, in fact, I think he's a fantastic player, and I would like to create discussions as to how people can explain all these consistently pitiful performances. But instead of getting well thought-out responses, I am getting all these accusations and slander. It really breaks my heart to see that bullying and intimidation is the only tactic of the ignorant.

[Killakobe81]

Damn, B, you're salty as fuck :lol

:cry "Leave my Kirby alooooone!!!" :cry

Nope chillin in the breakroom laughing at amb ...your just a kid walking along rosecrans on the way from school and got shot with a stray ...
Amb is a hater but he is way above your level as a poster that's why you giving and he receives

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Thanks CN. Just here to be a good fan of the game, instead of following the masses blindly.

It pains me, you see, to have to bring down a fantastic basketball player like Kobe to let everybody understand the context. I am in no way saying Kobe is a horrible player, in fact, I think he's a fantastic player, and I would like to create discussions as to how people can explain all these consistently pitiful performances. But instead of getting well thought-out responses, I am getting all these accusations and slander. It really breaks my heart to see that bullying and intimidation is the only tactic of the ignorant.

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Killakobe81]

Thanks CN. Just here to be a good fan of the game, instead of following the masses blindly.

It pains me, you see, to have to bring down a fantastic basketball player like Kobe to let everybody understand the context. I am in no way saying Kobe is a horrible player, in fact, I think he's a fantastic player, and I would like to create discussions as to how people can explain all these consistently pitiful performances. But instead of getting well thought-out responses, I am getting all these accusations and slander. It really breaks my heart to see that bullying and intimidation is the only tactic of the ignorant.

See now that ...that is some funny and good shit.
Sad part is deflecting with humor shows you have not come to grips with your addiction...I can help but not if you won't admit you have a problem. Your obsessed with 34 year old mambas with no Achilles. Instead of enjoying a potential Finals run you spend time spewing hate and some unusual homoerotic feelings about Pau. Wait, what? You say you are straight? Couldn't hear ya with your tongue so far up Pau's anus.

[ambchang]

LOL amb butthurt because he posts numbers but no one cares ... Sure Achilles has struggled some in big games but all great players do MJ and Magic included ...but somehow that makes Pau laader? But wait K sucked as the leader ...so which is it? Was he the leader or not? And why can't u just admit you despise Achilles Amb? Plenty on here freely admit it and its not like you have any credibility on the subject matter because Stevie Wonder sitting in a basement at night with the lights off can see your hate. I dont like Paul Pierce, Celtic. Great player underrated by some overrated by others. Whenevervi discuss his legacy I freely admit because I'm self aware enough to know its there.

C’mon KK81, you are better than that, going on wild accusations about me being butthurt and all. Did you see me creating a horribly constructed thread full of cherrypicked stats and horrible analysis to refute how this is a relevant topic at this time? Of course you didn’t, because that is a horrible way to say it.

And judging by the responses from the # of Laker fans, I would say that “no one cares” about these numbers, because it certainly got a lot of guys’ panties in a wad. In fact, it generated an offspin, but horribly constructed new thread intended to bring down Duncan, but only led to the realization of how well Duncan performs under pressure.

Well, it wasn’t well constructed as a thread, but I went on the Laker fan’s premise that Kobe was the leader of those Laker teams, and he sucked. Therefore, he must not have been the leader. In fact, the more he sucked, the more the Lakers won because MVPau drove the Lakers to victory in multiple cases. MVPau was the leader in stats and the true difference maker, and Fisher was the emotional and true team leader.

I am not saying Kobe struggled once in a while. Hell Duncan had some huge blunders in elimination games, but the key is, Duncan got more good ones than bad. Kobe? Well, the reverse is true.

I also don’t get your insistence that I hate Kobe. I don’t. I think he’s a wonderful player. In fact, he would be my #3 all-time 1 on 1 player behind MJ and Wilt, maybe even ahead of them. However, I am not here to blindly praise a player and proclaim him to be more than he is, because it’s unfair, and it actually tarnishes his legacy. A player should be presented and remembered for what he truly is, I don’t want Kobe to be treated by people as a god and ignoring all his foibles, and then years down the road, people discover the truth and destroys his legacy.


CN is in your corner Amb, take heart blind leading the blind ...(hate wise)

Tell me when you eat Ambs ass does he make you use syrup or jelly?

There is no need to insult. When you agree with Thread, do you eat his ass?

[ambchang]

See now that ...that is some funny and good shit.
Sad part is deflecting with humor shows you have not come to grips with your addiction...I can help but not if you won't admit you have a problem. Your obsessed with 34 year old mambas with no Achilles. Instead of enjoying a potential Finals run you spend time spewing hate and some unusual homoerotic feelings about Pau. You say you are straight? Couldn't hear ya with your tongue do far up Pau's anus.

As I explained earlier, not having the great stolen nickname on the Lakers is really worrisome for me, and I still think that if it wasn't for Dumbtoni, the Lakers will EASILY beat the Spurs in a 7-game series. In fact, I still think that the Lakers can beat the Spurs, and I ain't joking.

Pau is a great player, but I don't go into these backdoor shenanigans with great players like Kobestans do with Kobe. I am here to enjoy basketball, not discuss homo-erotic fantasies with Kobe lovers.

[Killakobe81]

C’mon KK81, you are better than that, going on wild accusations about me being butthurt and all. Did you see me creating a horribly constructed thread full of cherrypicked stats and horrible analysis to refute how this is a relevant topic at this time? Of course you didn’t, because that is a horrible way to say it.

And judging by the responses from the # of Laker fans, I would say that “no one cares” about these numbers, because it certainly got a lot of guys’ panties in a wad. In fact, it generated an offspin, but horribly constructed new thread intended to bring down Duncan, but only led to the realization of how well Duncan performs under pressure.

Well, it wasn’t well constructed as a thread, but I went on the Laker fan’s premise that Kobe was the leader of those Laker teams, and he sucked. Therefore, he must not have been the leader. In fact, the more he sucked, the more the Lakers won because MVPau drove the Lakers to victory in multiple cases. MVPau was the leader in stats and the true difference maker, and Fisher was the emotional and true team leader.

I am not saying Kobe struggled once in a while. Hell Duncan had some huge blunders in elimination games, but the key is, Duncan got more good ones than bad. Kobe? Well, the reverse is true.

I also don’t get your insistence that I hate Kobe. I don’t. I think he’s a wonderful player. In fact, he would be my #3 all-time 1 on 1 player behind MJ and Wilt, maybe even ahead of them. However, I am not here to blindly praise a player and proclaim him to be more than he is, because it’s unfair, and it actually tarnishes his legacy. A player should be presented and remembered for what he truly is, I don’t want Kobe to be treated by people as a god and ignoring all his foibles, and then years down the road, people discover the truth and destroys his legacy.



There is no need to insult. When you agree with Thread, do you eat his ass?

Oh amb no need to get sensitive CN is a big boy he can fend for himself. I enjoy our dialogue just asking you to be honest. You can have a thread war with Deuce or whomever but just admit it to me on PM ...we will have our Duncan/Achilles dance someday but not if you can't admit that because what would be the point? I just find it cute you hide your hate in the numbers but when you write that hate is so visceral ...you are like Brothers Mouzone' s boy Lamar hinting for Omar in a gay bar. The disgustis so visceral.

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I still think that if it wasn't for Dumbtoni, the Lakers will EASILY beat the Spurs in a 7-game series. In fact, I still think that the Lakers can beat the Spurs, and I ain't joking.

I'll just bet you do.
I'll just bet you're not.

[Killakobe81]

Boy amb now you like Slim Charles willing to go to war "on that lie" you a soldier amb ... A tramp stamp loving, Achilles hatin warrior

[ambchang]

Oh amb no need to get sensitive CN is a big boy he can fend for himself. I enjoy our dialogue just asking you to be honest. You can have a thread war with Deuce or whomever but just admit it to me on PM ...we will have our Duncan/Achilles dance someday but not if you can't admit that because what would be the point? I just find it cute you hide your hate in the numbers but when you write that hate is so visceral ...you are like Brothers Mouzone' s boy Lamar hinting for Omar in a gay bar. The disgustis so visceral.


Boy amb now you like Slim Charles willing to go to war "on that lie" you a soldier amb ... A tramp stamp loving, Achilles hatin warrior

I don't think my writing spews of hate, but the numbers are the numbers, and I can't really change them. What am I am supposed to do? Cherry pick stats and fudge the numbers to make Kobe look better? It's not my style.

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but the numbers are the numbers, and I can't really change them. What am I am supposed to do?

Exactly, nothing we can do:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Killakobe81]

I don't think my writing spews of hate, but the numbers are the numbers, and I can't really change them. What am I am supposed to do? Cherry pick stats and fudge the numbers to make Kobe look better? It's not my style.

Lol either cut the judgmental tone or stick to just the numbers ...
I don't spew hate just dropping troof bombs BR style!!!

Thought u were better than this ...smh

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Lol either cut the judgmental tone or stick to just the numbers ...
I don't spew hate just dropping troof bombs BR style!!!

But, they adore BR. We're beneath contempt.

[Deuce Bigalow]

When you factor in 00 WCF Game 7 where he led the Lakers in pts, reb, ast, and blks (25-11-7-4 on 9-19) and 02 WCF Game 7 where he had 30-10-7 on 10-26, he's not that bad as you make it out to be.

[ambchang]

When you factor in 00 WCF Game 7 where he led the Lakers in pts, reb, ast, and blks (25-11-7-4 on 9-19) and 02 WCF Game 7 where he had 30-10-7 on 10-26, he's not that bad as you make it out to be.

Yes, he was by far the best second banana of all time.

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Yes, he was by far the best second banana of all time.

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Johnny RIngo]

Yes, he was by far the best second banana of all time.

Not sure about that.

Pippen has 6 sidekick rings.
Kobe has 3 sidekick rings.

6>>>3

Pippen>>>>Kobe.

[ambchang]

Not sure about that.

Pippen has 6 sidekick rings.
Kobe has 3 sidekick rings.

6>>>3

Pippen>>>>Kobe.

But it's a team game, and pippen had Jordan.

Besides, you can make a case Kobe actually has 5 sidekick rings. Just check his win shares.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Yes, he was by far the best second banana of all time.
I dont know about that. '80 Magic has a case. Its between '80 Magic and 01-02 Kobe.

[Deuce Bigalow]

But it's a team game, and pippen had Jordan.

Besides, you can make a case Kobe actually has 5 sidekick rings. Just check his win shares.
Make it then please. Some laughs would be nice.

[ambchang]

Make it then please. Some laughs would be nice.

See win shares thread.

[ambchang]

I dont know about that. '80 Magic has a case. Its between '80 Magic and 01-02 Kobe.

I was talking about an entire career. Magic was undoubtedly the top dog in 2 of the 5, probably 3 of the 5 ships. Kobe was pseudo 1st in two of the 5

[Deuce Bigalow]

See win shares thread.
You are retarded though.

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win shares

Another concoction after the last of the Mohicans (Daddy) rang. Media no longer had a hair shirt to hang on a niqqa so they started in with the new math.

tee, hee.

[ambchang]

You are retarded though.

How so? If Understanding, then using something you don't understand is retarded, what does that make you?

[Fergie The Florists]

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs18/f/2007/137/2/e/nWo_Style_Wallpaper_by_lucapoison.jpg

[Johnny RIngo]

But it's a team game, and pippen had Jordan.

Besides, you can make a case Kobe actually has 5 sidekick rings. Just check his win shares.

Actually, you have a point. The advanced numbers are telling me Gasol was clearly better than him in 2010. 2009 is Kobe's only real title as the best player on his team. Though I wouldn't call that much of an accomplishment considering how weak the competition was that year(lol Nuggets, lol Magic)

[Deuce Bigalow]

How so? If Understanding, then using something you don't understand is retarded, what does that make you?
Clyde Drexler had a higher WS in the Playoffs than Hakeem in 1995. 1995 Hakeem was one of the best Playoff runs of alltime too. Sorry, but that makes WS garbage. And mind telling me what WS is btw? I doubt you got it memorized.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Actually, you have a point. The advanced numbers are telling me Gasol was clearly better than him in 2010. 2009 is Kobe's only real title as the best player on his team. Though I wouldn't call that much of an accomplishment considering how weak the competition was that year(lol Nuggets, lol Magic)
Lets not forget 2001 Playoffs. Kobe 3.8, Shaq 3.7

[ambchang]

Clyde Drexler had a higher WS in the Playoffs than Hakeem in 1995. 1995 Hakeem was one of the best Playoff runs of alltime too. Sorry, but that makes WS garbage. And mind telling me what WS is btw? I doubt you got it memorized.

A. Drexler's run in 1995 was crucial to how well the Rockets did. Sure Hakeem was dominant, but Drexler was no slouch either, averaging 20.5 p, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, and 1.5 steals for the playoffs. In fact, the offense flow of the Rockets, as he had an offense rating of 120 (which is phenomenal).

B. Why do I have to memorize something to use it. Do you have to memorize the sine/cosine tables to use them? Do you have to memorize how your computer processor works to use a computer? Do you have to memorize the workings of a combustion engine to fly a car? Do you have to understand assembly language to use a web browser?

[ambchang]

Clyde Drexler had a higher WS in the Playoffs than Hakeem in 1995. 1995 Hakeem was one of the best Playoff runs of alltime too. Sorry, but that makes WS garbage. And mind telling me what WS is btw? I doubt you got it memorized.


Lets not forget 2001 Playoffs. Kobe 3.8, Shaq 3.7

Of course, the original premise has always been using regular season WS to find the lead, because regular season has more variation, and less opponent specific strategies. I have covered that off clearly in the WS share that caused all types of butt hurt from Laker fans (I apologize for it, because I never realized how sensitive Laker fans are towards anything that is remotely considered as insulting to their Kobe god, and how I exposed the inability for Laker fans to argue as I haven't heard one single rebuttal to the use of those numbers).

This also applies to the Drexler/Hakeem situation in 95.

[nowhereman523]

I give Kobe credit for getting those rebounds in game 7 against Boston.

But other than that, dude shits himself in big moments time and time again.