No Joey Crawford in these playoffs

[romsho]

Looks like Joey Crawford didn't make the cut for this years playoffs. So much for that.

http://www.nbastuffer.com/2013_NBA_Playoffs_Referee_Stats.html

[Budkin]

Thank God

[Spur|n|Austin]

Looks like Joey Crawford didn't make the cut for this years playoffs. So much for that.

http://www.nbastuffer.com/2013_NBA_Playoffs_Referee_Stats.html


Good riddance, Elmer.

http://i.imgur.com/RmT8y.gif

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm still not sure I'd read too much into that, but the assignment of officials in these playoffs has been very different from past years.

As I noted yesterday in Fabbs' Lakers/referee conspiracy thread, so far, the officials have actually worked in crews that stay intact over a couple of games (or more). Over the weekend, there were 8 crews that worked games:


MIA/MIL (Crew 1): Bennett Salvatore, James Capers, Sean Corbin
NYK/BOS (Crew 2):Monty McCutchen, Bill Spooner, Gary Zielinski
IND/ATL (Crew 3): Derrick Stafford, David Jones, Rodney Mott
BRK/CHI (Crew 4): Ken Mauer, Ed Malloy, Sean Wright
OKC/HOU (Crew 5): Ron Garretson, Tony Brothers, Zach Zarba
SAS/LAL (Crew 6): Danny Crawford, Marc Davis, Jason Phillips
DEN/GST (Crew 7): Mike Callahan, David Guthrie, Tom Washington
LAC/MEM (Crew 8): Scott Foster, John Goble, Bill Kennedy

In the Game 2's over the last 3 days, 7 of those crews have worked together again once and the crew for tonight's Spurs/Lakers Game 2 will work it's 3rd game together:


MIA/MIL: Garretson, Brothers, Zarba (Crew 5)
NYK/BOS: Stafford, Jones, Mott (Crew 3)
IND/ATL: Mauer, Malloy, Wright (Crew 4)
BRK/CHI: McCutchen, Spooner, Zielinski (Crew 2)
OKC/HOU: D. Crawford, Davis, Phillips (Crew 6)
SA/LAL: Callahan, Guthrie, Washington (Crew 7)
DEN/GST: Foster, Goble, Kennedy (Crew 8)
LAC/MEM: Callahan, Guthrie, Washington (Crew 7)


I have researched this going back as far as 1985, and can't find an instance in which the league has stayed this true to the crew concept on a consistent basis. It's very much like the way baseball maintains a crew concept (though, obviously, in baseball, the crew just stays with the series). But it's very much unlike the way the NBA has typically assigned officials.

Usually, by the end of the Round 1 Game 2's, we've seen pretty much all of the officials we're going to see during the playoffs. Last year, for example, there were 36 officials who worked in the playoffs; 34 of them worked in either Game 1 or Game 2 of the first round and the lone exceptions each worked only 1 game in the entirety of the playoffs (Violet Palmer worked Game 4 of the Indiana/Orlando series; Eddie F. Rush worked Game 3 of the New York/Miami series).

Also, the number of officials who've traditionally worked the first round has generally hovered around that 36 number:


2012 -- 36
2011 -- 34
2010 -- 33
2009 -- 35
2008 -- 35
2007 -- 35

This year, we've seen 24 officials work through the Game 2's, meaning that we're 12 officials short of the numbers that historically have been used. I don't know that there are actually 10-12 officials who are good enough to be trusted with playoff games beyond this point (usually, the league gives playoff games to younger, inexperienced officials within the Games 1 and 2 and has them out of the picture by the end of the second weekend of the playoffs at the latest). But there are a few who are conspicuously absent so far, including Joey, Leon Wood, and Michael Smith.

We'll see if the crew thing continues into the Game 3s and 4s. My guess at this point is that there's probably change coming, and I'd guess that part of that change will be Joey coming back into the mix. But it's fascinating that we're 5 days and 16 games into these playoffs and haven't seen him call any games.

[racm]

If Joey gets to call either Game 3 or 4 in LA... :lmao

[FromWayDowntown]

If Joey gets to call either Game 3 or 4 in LA... :lmao

I'd much rather have Joey call a playoff road game than a playoff home game, tbh.

[racm]

I'd much rather have Joey call a playoff road game than a playoff home game, tbh.

And he also likes screwing the Lakers over.

[Mugen]

I'd much rather have Joey call a playoff road game than a playoff home game, tbh.

Amen.

[elec99]

Mike Callahan:
2012-2013 season, 61 regular season games, .574 % home team victories.

[spurspokesman]

Keep Joey away, point blank period.

[Phenomanul]

Excellent analysis FWD... :tu

It's not like the league to change the methodology of ref assignments without so much as a press release from league executives....

[ElNono]

Officials for today's games:



Game
Official 1
Official 2
Official 3
Alternate


Atlanta @ Indiana
Ken Mauer
Ed Malloy
Sean Wright
Gary Zielinski


Houston @ Oklahoma City
Danny Crawford
Marc Davis
Jason Phillips
Mark Lindsay


L.A. Lakers @ San Antonio
Mike Callahan
David Guthrie
Tom Washington
Pat Fraher



They were included in FWD's excellent analysis, but I wanted to single them out.

[FvckMavs]

Mike Callahan:
2012-2013 season, 61 regular season games, .574 % home team victories.

I want to what is the percentage of home team victories in all regular season games then.

[UZER]

Good riddance, Elmer.

http://i.imgur.com/RmT8y.gif

:lol never seen that!

[Drom John]

Mike Callahan:
2012-2013 season, 61 regular season games, .574 % home team victories.

Callahan favors the visitors.
2012-2013 season, all games, .605% home team victories.

[Brunodf]

:danceclub:huddle:

[FromWayDowntown]

Callahan favors the visitors.
2012-2013 season, all games, .605% home team victories.

Sort of true in playoff games, too.

Since 2007, all home teams in all playoff series are 350-160 (.686)

Home teams are 41-24 in Callahan's 65 playoff games (.631) during that span. Home teams are 7-1 in David Guthrie's 8 prior games (.875) and are 38-21 in Tom Washington's 59 games (.644).

So, generally, tonight's crew would seem to give the road team an above-average chance.

[superbigtime]

Get bent, Joey

[milkyway21]

no Joey Crawford? thanks God for that ! :angel

[FromWayDowntown]

Joey has Game 3 tonight in Chicago.

And the crews have changed with the start of Game 3s.

[romsho]

Joey has Game 3 tonight in Chicago.

And the crews have changed with the start of Game 3s.

That truly sucks. What a tease. You laid it out well...I was hoping you were wrong.

[Rapper]

what a good news

[FromWayDowntown]

Joey has Game 3 tonight in Chicago.

And the crews have changed with the start of Game 3s.

I went back and looked at this again, and the crew changes for tonight are actually relatively minor; in each game tonight at least two of the officials have worked together in earlier games in this round:

MIA/MIL -- Foster, Kennedy, Scott Wall (Foster and Kennedy working their third game together; Wall substituting for John Goble)
BRK/CHI -- J. Crawford, Capers, Corbin (Capers and Corbin working their second game together; J. Crawford substituting for Salvatore)
LAC/MEM -- Garretson, Brothers, Eric Lewis (Garretson and Brothers working their third game together; Lewis substituting for Zarba)

Still not sure how long this curious consistency lasts; remarkably, having gone to this concept through 16 first round games, the league has enjoyed a first playoff week that has been devoid of any significant officiating controversy.

[TampaDude]

Good riddance, Elmer.

http://i.imgur.com/RmT8y.gif

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I'm laughing so hard right now I can't breathe!!! :lmao

[exstatic]

And he also likes screwing the Lakers over.

Brent Barry says "WTF?"

[Zzakk's Garage]

Just watched the replay of Nets/Bulls game and JC threw up the tip then fished in his stinky pocket for a pissy whistle.
Crap.
That means at least one game we'll lose unfairly.

[sammy]

LOL! Priceless!

[Sec24Row7]

Just watched the replay of Nets/Bulls game and JC threw up the tip then fished in his stinky pocket for a pissy whistle.
Crap.
That means at least one game we'll lose unfairly.


Now he is working Houston/OKC which means we will not see him tomorrow.

[bayareaspursfan]

Pretty sure he will be reffing if we make it to the finals...

[Phenomanul]

So that's all it was? A small break from the action... well that sucks.

[exstatic]

Yeah, he's back to being Stern's bagman tonight.

[JRHernandez88]

Things are actually going our way this year!!!

http://imageshack.us/a/img707/8058/timmydscream.png

[DesignatedT]

3 technicals by Crawford tonight :lol

[RD2191]

Crawford doesn't fuk around with them techs.

[Sean Cagney]

Crawford doesn't fuk around with them techs.

He is an idiot with a short temper. He tries to make the game about him at times with his ego! I wish he would just go away.

[KenziE]

He is an idiot with a short temper. He tries to make the game about him at times with his ego! I wish he would just go away.

THIS

[exstatic]

Things are actually going our way this year!!!

http://imageshack.us/a/img707/8058/timmydscream.png

Somebody doesn't read the threads. :lol:lmao

[JRHernandez88]

Somebody doesn't read the threads. :lol:lmao
word

[Russ]

He's in Memphis tonight.

[TheGoldStandard]

We need to fine refs for bogus calls.

[Budkin]

Fuck why is that shitface back?

[SpursRock20]

Maybe it's just nitpicking but I really don't like anything about how this guy refs. Don't even like how he does jumpballs. He tries to throw the ball up when the jumpers least expect it almost everytime. Anyone else notice this?

[Clipper Nation]

If only :depressed

[Sean Cagney]

He's in Memphis tonight.

YEP just came in here to say that, bald fuck is out there tonight.
Fuck why is that shitface back?

:(

[TheGoldStandard]

He's throwing Tech's left and right. I'd love to see a player just T him up and have a prop whistle.

[Sec24Row7]

How many has he given tonight? 4?

[cjw]

After tonight's debacle, no way he advances just like the two LA teams.

[Sean Cagney]

After tonight's debacle, no way he advances just like the two LA teams.
WHO BADLO??????? He will get us later.

[RD2191]

Damn. Joey was techin everyone tonight. Ejecting people left and right.

[lefty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E4TmZG-gWI

[Sec24Row7]

Joey is done for the playoffs after tonights game.

[DesignatedT]

The NBA seriously has to do something about this guy. It doesn't even matter if he's right or wrong now, the response is the same. He's really bad for the league.

[ElNono]

47 freebies for Memphis tonight.... it's like they thought they were in Oklahoma or something... ridiculous.

[houston spurs fan]

Once again, Joey tries to be a star...

[MB3//]

After tonight's game there's absolutely no reason he should be reffing in the next round.

[capek]

I didn't get to what the Memphis game because I was at the Rockets game, could someone some up how shitty Joey was tonight? I saw a replay on SC of him tossing CP3 which seemed pretty questionable, but sounds like he was godaweful tonight.

[TheGoldStandard]

He was auditioning for a spot in any OKC game.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

No Crawford in the playoffs? WTF are you talking about?

[Sec24Row7]

I didn't get to what the Memphis game because I was at the Rockets game, could someone some up how shitty Joey was tonight? I saw a replay on SC of him tossing CP3 which seemed pretty questionable, but sounds like he was godaweful tonight.


He threw out ZBo too... hah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p3A3_Y9lMQ&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPCk_ZOTxIM&feature=player_embedded

[TheGoldStandard]

Someone needs to lay hands on that mother fucker

[ElNono]

ZBo got ejected for talking shit to Griffin on the bench... Joey thinks he's the star of the game... GTFO baldie

[Robz4000]

As bad as he's been, there's no way he won't be reffing in the next round. He's Stern's best lackey when it comes to fixing games.

[Sean Cagney]

ZBo got ejected for talking shit to Griffin on the bench... Joey thinks he's the star of the game... GTFO baldie

YEP as usual this punk thinks he is the star of the fucking game! GO FIGURE! BALDO does this routinely! He tries to take over the game and thinks he is the star. They need to get rid of this old fucking bald fucker already.

[rudwick]

He threw out ZBo too... hah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p3A3_Y9lMQ&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPCk_ZOTxIM&feature=player_embedded
I'm no fan of Joey, but I agree with both of those calls:
CP3 makes a thug non-basketball chickenshit blindside hit to Gasol's midsection. I think most here would be pissed if it was Timmy or Tiago he did it to.
ZBo turns around during foul shots to yell shit at the Clipper bench. There was already wrestling earlier. That's how fights get started in garbage time of elimination games.

[KaiRMD1]

I expect Joey Crawford to not see another game in the playoffs unless Stern needs him to choke on a whistle especially after tossing two stars like that.

[Captivus]

Barnes :lol
Same mistake, 2 times!!

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Nice thread, obviously you didn't do your homework dipshit.

[davidbowie]

change the damn title

[Spur Bank]

I'm no fan of Joey, but I agree with both of those calls:
CP3 makes a thug non-basketball chickenshit blindside hit to Gasol's midsection. I think most here would be pissed if it was Timmy or Tiago he did it to.
ZBo turns around during foul shots to yell shit at the Clipper bench. There was already wrestling earlier. That's how fights get started in garbage time of elimination games.
This.

Really don't like the guy, but those were both technical fouls. I wouldn't even call either of them questionable (possibly ZBo's, because we don't know exactly what he said). I actually give Crawford some credit for doing the right thing in both cases.

[FromWayDowntown]

There's zero chance that Joey is out after Round 1. In fact, since he was a crew chief for all of his round 1 games, the substantially greater likelihood is that he'll be one of the 12 Finals officials -- again, just like every year since 1986; with the exception of 2007, when he was suspended for the entire playoffs, Joey's worked every Finals for almost 30 years. If he's out before the Finals, it will be a major development.

[ElNono]

There's zero chance that Joey is out after Round 1. In fact, since he was a crew chief for all of his round 1 games, the substantially greater likelihood is that he'll be one of the 12 Finals officials -- again, just like every year since 1986; with the exception of 2007, when he was suspended for the entire playoffs, Joey's worked every Finals for almost 30 years. If he's out before the Finals, it will be a major development.

:depressed

If the reffing on that game didn't give the league pause, I doubt any other game will, so you definitely might be onto something there.

[chapnis]

There's zero chance that Joey is out after Round 1. In fact, since he was a crew chief for all of his round 1 games, the substantially greater likelihood is that he'll be one of the 12 Finals officials -- again, just like every year since 1986; with the exception of 2007, when he was suspended for the entire playoffs, Joey's worked every Finals for almost 30 years. If he's out before the Finals, it will be a major development.

Interesting, the last time Crawford didn't ref the playoffs the Spurs won.

[letmk]

This guy is a joke. Period.

[FromWayDowntown]

:depressed

If the reffing on that game didn't give the league pause, I doubt any other game will, so you definitely might be onto something there.

Since the league went to 3 man officiating crews in 1988-89, it has had 3 Finals Game 7's (the ultimate NBA game in any season) -- Rockets/Knicks in 1995; Spurs/Pistons in 2005; and Lakers/Celtics in 2010. Joey has worked all 3 of those games. In 2010, the league assigned him to an unprecedented (during this era) 3rd Finals game to have him be the crew chief that night. That was after his suspension, so it was after his questionable judgment and insufferably gigantic ego had been on it's greatest public display and brought the greatest public consequence. The league seems to believe that Joey is, despite his faults, one of its best officials.

[Sean Cagney]

This guy is a joke. Period.
I don't even know why he is out there, period. Fuck his bald bitch fucking ass, you are not a star you old fuck!!!!!!!!!!! Go away already.

He got banned for 07 playoffs for Ejecting Tim from the bench laughing! Why did they let this bitch back in? He is a clown.

[FromWayDowntown]

Joey's got Game 2 in New York tonight.

[Russ]

Joey's got Game 2 in New York tonight.

As the Commish would say:

Joey always answers the call

Of a big market threatened by a small

[Mel_13]

Joey will be the crew chief for Game 6.

Guaransheed.

[FromWayDowntown]

Joey will be the crew chief for Game 6.

Guaransheed.

That would seem to be what the schedule says.

The rotation is settled enough that the assignments of Callahan's crew to MIA/CHI and Danny Crawford's crew to OKC/MEM tonight were predictable yesterday.

With Mauer and McCutchen having worked on Tuesday night, and Callahan and Danny Crawford working Wednesday night, it leaves Joey Crawford and Scott Foster to work on Thursday night.

Foster worked SA/GST Game 4 and hasn't yet worked a game in NY/IND, so Foster seems likely to be going there leaving Joey (who has worked one game in every series other than SA/GST) to be the crew chief for Game 6 of SA/GST.

I'd be absolutely shocked if it wasn't Joey.

If there's a Game 7, I'd expect that one to be assigned to either Danny Crawford or Monty McCutchen.

[Mel_13]

:lol

Ok, FWD.

I had noticed that Joey was the only one of the six 2nd round crew chiefs that had yet to work a SAS/GSW game. Just left out that detail to provide fuel for the conspiracy theorists.

[capek]

With all the pressure cooker bombs going off around the country, why couldn't one go off in the vacinity of Joey Crawford? :depressed

[mudyez]

I like that we get Joey. Isn't he a Muslim that will eat Jackson alive?

[capek]

idk, he looks like a deranged Buddha, or maybe more like one of those evil lizard aliens that some wackos worship.

[easjer]

Obviously, this will fuel any number of tinfoil hat people. The schedule is sound enough, but even so, SIGH. I hate him. It's not enough for me to craft a new floppy summer creation out of tinfoil, but it's unfortunate.

[mudyez]

Not concerned at all...I rather have him in GS than in a possible game 7 at home.

[rmt]

Not concerned at all...I rather have him in GS than in a possible game 7 at home.

This. Pop needs to play Diaw and Splitter more so that TD isn't gassed at the end of the game. Spurs need to take care of business in GS so there's no game 7.

[mudyez]

This. Pop needs to play Diaw and Splitter more so that TD isn't gassed at the end of the game. Spurs need to take care of business in GS so there's no game 7.

Not sure but Joey also seems to be the kind if Ref that wants to say: "F*** the crowd, I'm not changing anything just because you boo me!" , isn't he?

[temujin]

Joey Crawford should not referee any basketball games, much less playoffs.

[urunobili]

I just hope that the NBA keeps him out of any Spurs meaningful games...

[romsho]

If it must be Joey Crawford, a road game...and not a deciding game either, is the better option.

[Obstructed_View]

It's amazing that he's learned nothing after being suspended. He still makes everything about himself. He was theatrically teeing up Lebron the other day and it never occurred to him that Nazr might retaliate from the hit. He was standing right there and then had the chutzpah to throw Nazr out. He should be working MLB games.

[Spurs R Us]

Looks like we get Joey tonight.

San Antonio @ Golden State Joe Crawford Sean Corbin Derrick Stafford Gary Zielinski

[bklynspursfan]

Tim Kawakami ‏@timkawakami (https://twitter.com/timkawakami)41s (https://twitter.com/timkawakami/status/335057905931931648)
Warriors-Spurs Game 6 officials: Joe Crawford, Sean Corbin, Derrick Stafford... GSWs' first Joey game of the playoffs.


Pivotal Game 6.... :bang

[Mel_13]

Joey will be the crew chief for Game 6.

Guaransheed.

[FromWayDowntown]

Kawakami's tweet underplays the "first Joey game" for the Warriors thing.

The last time Joey called a Warriors playoff game? April 29, 1994 at Phoenix.

The last time Joey called a playoff game in Oakland? April 23, 1992 against Seattle.

Joey has called a previous playoff game between the Spurs and Warriors, though -- Game 2 of the 1991 First Round series, a Warriors' win in San Antonio.

[romsho]

Might as well get it over with now. Just in case, a Game 7 at home a far worse option.

[Outlier]

Oh great. **** Joey Crawford. This is going 7 games now. Damnit.

[Darius McCrary]

Saw this coming a MILE away

[jon123spurs]

Great just fucking great.

[SpurPadre]

I wonder what our record is in Joey Crawford-reffed games post-TD ejection incident?

[hater]

game 7 set for Sunday :pctoss

[Poolboy5623]

Yeah..I just picked up Texas chainsaw 3d...I was going to wait until after the game to watch...now, I'll probably start it at halftime(if I can even make it that long)..

[FromWayDowntown]

I wonder what our record is in Joey Crawford-reffed games post-TD ejection incident?

By my count, the Spurs are 15-10 with Joey in the regular season since the start of 2007-08 and 3-5 in the playoffs.

[SpurPadre]

By my count, the Spurs are 15-10 with Joey in the regular season since the start of 2007-08 and 3-5 in the playoffs.

3-5 in the playoffs? Fuck. Oh well, it'll be 5 on 6 tonight, then. Manu's not going to get any calls whenever he hits the floor and TD better expect Bogut to get away with alot more shit. We have to shoot lights out tonight.

[moisaenz]

3-5 in the playoffs? Fuck. Oh well, it'll be 5 on 6 tonight, then. Manu's not going to get any calls whenever he hits the floor and TD better expect Bogut to get away with alot more shit. We have to shoot lights out tonight.

We will miss jack for this, he takes no bs not even from refs.

[FromWayDowntown]

At the end of the day, if you're going to win a title (or even reach the Finals), you're almost necessarily going to have to find a way to win a game that Joey Crawford calls.

[Drachen]

idk, he looks like a deranged Buddha, or maybe more like one of those evil lizard aliens that some wackos worship.

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss258/Drachen808/Conan-The-Barbarian-Thulsa-Doom-james-earl-jones-snake_zpsa486e68f.jpg

[suitedkings]

http://i.imgur.com/9iZT6.gif

[Spurs9]

:lmao

[Hoops Czar]

By my count, the Spurs are 15-10 with Joey in the regular season since the start of 2007-08 and 3-5 in the playoffs.
And between 2001 and 2010, the Spurs were 3-6 when playing on the night of a full moon. Can you say coincidence? I know people want to make excuses for why the Spurs haven't won since 2007 but singling out a ref is a real stretch. For what it's worth, the Spurs actually have a winning record with Crawford since 2001and should the Spurs fail to close out the series, it'll be on them and them alone.

[FromWayDowntown]

And between 2001 and 2010, the Spurs were 3-6 when playing on the night of a full moon. Can you say coincidence? I know people want to make excuses for why the Spurs haven't won since 2007 but singling out a ref is a real stretch. For what it's worth, the Spurs actually have a winning record with Crawford since 2001and should the Spurs fail to close out the series, it'll be on them and them alone.

Undoubtedly. I started on a follow up that basically said that the Spurs winning percentages in Joey's games are within a game or two of their overall percentages, even after 2007. And Joey's presence didn't stop the Spurs from closing out the Clippers at Staples last year.

There's a fairly reasonable frustration with Joey Crawford, but trying to elevate that to causation is a hard step to make reasonably.

[milkyway21]

:smchode:

[Obstructed_View]

I have a lot bigger problem with the ref who called the carrying violation on Kawhi, called the screen out of bounds violation on Kawhi, and called the blocking foul on Gary Neal from the other side of the floor when the ref nearest the play swallowed his whistle.

[milkyway21]

I don't think Joey Crawford is a bad ref but his effect on Duncan is a big question...and it might change his game.

Road game + Joey Crawford..well, good luck to us people

[hater]

The good news: JOey Crawford acts as a lone wolf. Answers to noone including NBA and Stern

The bad news: He hates Duncan's guts :lol

[KenziE]

wow cliff jumpers already in before the game what a bunch of pussies on this forum

[Budkin]

IMO the guy should not even be in the league anymore for the shit he pulled with Duncan.

[spursince#99]

I almost hate you idiotic posters on this forum, but I actually have a future.

[Rapper]

Why the league allows him to officate spurs game??

[FromWayDowntown]

Game 3 2013 WCF:

Joey Crawford
Ron Garretson
Derrick Stafford

[SA210]

:pctoss

[Dingle Barry]

I don't mind getting him on the road tbh.

[TampaDude]

Game 3 2013 WCF:

Joey Crawford
Ron Garretson
Derrick Stafford

Yeah, I just saw that, too. I figured we'd get Joey sooner or later. It's actually a good thing for us. Joey won't let the Grizz get away with any bullshit.

[Warlord23]

Joey hasn't been that bad in this year's playoffs tbh. When he's the crew chief, the foul % b/w home and road teams is even, and the home team has a 55.6% winning percentage. He's also middle of the pack in terms of total fouls called per game.

http://www.nbastuffer.com/2013_NBA_Playoffs_Referee_Stats.html
(http://www.nbastuffer.com/2013_NBA_Playoffs_Referee_Stats.html)

Stafford and Garretson as part of the crew (not as the crew chief) aren't that bad either

[Das Texan]

I'd much rather have Joey on the road than at home 100 days out of 100.

[polandprzem]

Rather a good crew.

depends on a Joey day though

[houston spurs fan]

I'd much rather have Joey on the road than at home 100 days out of 100.
I agree. He is more apt to do something stupid to antagonize the home crowd. Better on road than at home...

[Russ]

I'd much rather have Joey on the road than at home 100 days out of 100.

Agreed.

Most of the ref travesties against the Spurs have come at home. .04 in '04, the non-call (by Joey) when Fisher fouled Brent Barry on the three in '08, Joey's ejection of TD for laughing -- all at home.

Bottom line, you can't afford to lose playoff home games, but road games are not quite as essential.

[mudyez]

I'm a big Joey fan if we are on the road!

[Penya]

Agreed.

Most of the ref travesties against the Spurs have come at home. .04 in '04, the non-call (by Joey) when Fisher fouled Brent Barry on the three in '08, Joey's ejection of TD for laughing -- all at home.

Bottom line, you can't afford to lose playoff home games, but road games are not quite as essential.

Duncan's ejection happened in Dallas IIRC.

[Uriel]

Joey Crawford was the lead official in the horribly officiated ROAD game 6 in OKC last year! :depressed

[Russ]

Joey Crawford was the lead official in the horribly officiated ROAD game 6 in OKC last year! :depressed

On the other hand, they blew a home game first.


Duncan's ejection happened in Dallas IIRC.

Close enough.

[ajballer4]

They cant be any worse than the Game 2 crew

[Budkin]

Game 2 was probably the most horribly called game of the playoffs.

[EVAY]

I cannot abide Stafford.

Granted, there are not many that I do like, but Derrick Stafford is among the worst, imo.

And the game 2 guy who gave us the worst was not the crew chief but one of the other guys.

No, this is a bad ref line-up for us.

And I had promised myself a nice glass of McAllan 18 year old single malt if we won tonight. Bummer.

[FvckMavs]

Actually Joel did ok in Game 6 in OKC last year. It's Bill Kennedy who sucked! He was also the one officiated game 2 with Memphis this year.


Joey Crawford was the lead official in the horribly officiated ROAD game 6 in OKC last year! :depressed

[superbigtime]

Agreed.

Most of the ref travesties against the Spurs have come at home. .04 in '04, the non-call (by Joey) when Fisher fouled Brent Barry on the three in '08, Joey's ejection of TD for laughing -- all at home.

Bottom line, you can't afford to lose playoff home games, but road games are not quite as essential.

fish foul on BB was gm one WCF after Spurs beat Nola in Semis, was on the road in LA.

[Mel_13]

fish foul on BB was gm one WCF after Spurs beat Nola in Semis, was on the road in LA.

Game 4 at home:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3416412

[Dunc n Dave]

fish foul on BB was gm one WCF after Spurs beat Nola in Semis, was on the road in LA.

:nope

[T Park]

Crawford was the lead official in game 6 vs GS as well.....

Go to bed conspiracy theorists ...

[ThaBigFundamental21]

It doesn't matter where the game is dipshits. If Crawford is going to fuck us over, he is going to fuck us over wherever he wants. We should all be very afraid after what happened in game 2. Tim Duncan, 3 fouls in 29 seconds. No free throws to end the 3rd Qtr, not a single free throw in the 4th. Only attempts in OT were intentional fouls. That is flat out fuckin scary, and how no one see this outside of Spurs fans is even more troubling. The media doesn't even bring it up...For 7 and a half quarters in this series the Spurs ran the Grizzlies right out of the gym. This looked like a surprising monumental mismatch. I don't think anyone honestly saw us smacking Memphis around that easily. Winning the series, yes. Making them look like they don't belong on the court with us, no. Then all of a sudden, the refs start helping Memphis? Absolutely every call goes to the Grizz, literally. Not even debatable, we literally didn't get Ft's for almost 2 full Qtrs. How does a team not get FT's in an NBA game in that long of a time span? As Spurs fans we should be prepared to see an "interesting" officiating job tonight. The Spurs are too classy to say a word though. Get ready...

[exstatic]

Joey hasn't been that bad in this year's playoffs tbh. When he's the crew chief, the foul % b/w home and road teams is even, and the home team has a 55.6% winning percentage. He's also middle of the pack in terms of total fouls called per game.

http://www.nbastuffer.com/2013_NBA_Playoffs_Referee_Stats.html
(http://www.nbastuffer.com/2013_NBA_Playoffs_Referee_Stats.html)

Stafford and Garretson as part of the crew (not as the crew chief) aren't that bad either

It's not the calls, it's the no-calls.

[exstatic]

It doesn't matter where the game is dipshits. If Crawford is going to fuck us over, he is going to fuck us over wherever he wants. We should all be very afraid after what happened in game 2. Tim Duncan, 3 fouls in 29 seconds. No free throws to end the 3rd Qtr, not a single free throw in the 4th. Only attempts in OT were intentional fouls. That is flat out fuckin scary, and how no one see this outside of Spurs fans is even more troubling. The media doesn't even bring it up...For 7 and a half quarters in this series the Spurs ran the Grizzlies right out of the gym. This looked like a surprising monumental mismatch. I don't think anyone honestly saw us smacking Memphis around that easily. Winning the series, yes. Making them look like they don't belong on the court with us, no. Then all of a sudden, the refs start helping Memphis? Absolutely every call goes to the Grizz, literally. Not even debatable, we literally didn't get Ft's for almost 2 full Qtrs. How does a team not get FT's in an NBA game in that long of a time span? As Spurs fans we should be prepared to see an "interesting" officiating job tonight. The Spurs are too classy to say a word though. Get ready...

I believe the thinking is it's better to be fucked by JC on the road, where you're not very likely to win in any case, rather than have him dry hump us at home and take away HCA.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

I believe the thinking is it's better to be fucked by JC on the road, where you're not very likely to win in any case, rather than have him dry hump us at home and take away HCA.

I can see that logic, my take was a little harsh in calling people dipshits. I just feel we are going to get dicked whenever the NBA chooses to do so, be it home our road. Yeah I don't want to lose HCA. But if the NBA has it out for us, we are going down be it home, or road...We just have to hope there is justice on this planet and the better team will win. It's clear that team is the Spurs. I have faith we are going to win this series with how good we have looked so far. In order to lose there is going to have to be some serious ref intervention. It will likely start to get obvious and controversial, then again, that has never stopped the NBA before. Just ask the Kings, Mavs, Blazers, or our Spurs. The list can continue.

[Das Texan]

its really too bad steve javie's back went all fucked up and forced him to retire.


speaking of refs.


did knick bavetta retire finally? i havent seen that old ass fossil all playoffs, and hope that doesnt change this year.

[iminol]

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/775039575.jpg?1369589208

- Wine Joey after the game?
- Fuck you, Pop.

[Beaverfuzz]

Dick is still reffing, might not be in the playoffs but he was doing regular season games earlier.

I think Joey's crew did fine, they missed stuff going both ways.

[FromWayDowntown]

Dick Bavetta was not assigned to any playoff games this year. His playoff workload has been gradually decreasing:

Bavetta last worked the Finals in 2008; last worked the conference finals in 2009; last worked the conference semifinals in 2010; and only worked a total of 5 first round games in 2011 and 2012.

This is the first year since at least 1984 that Bavetta hasn't worked at least one playoff game.

I wouldn't be surprised if he retired at the end of this season. He wasn't even really a crew chief during the regular season (he worked 3 total games as a crew chief and was the only official to have been a chief for at least 1 game who didn't get a playoff assignment), but he did get to lead a crew on the last night of the season in a completely meaningless game between the Cavs and Bobcats. It would make some sense that the league let him go out as a crew chief, expecting him to retire. We'll see I guess.

[romsho]

Game 4- McCutcheon, Brothers, Zarba, Phillips

[Warlord23]

McCutcheon seems fine as crew chief. Brothers and Zarba however as crew members have given home teams +10 ppg ... Won't be surprised if the Grizz get away with murder in the paint

[Brunodf]

:bangBrothers.

[hooperflash]

Rumors are he's gonna officiate the ECF Game 7, can we get a source? Can't find one so far, if true, then we'll see the Heat Thursday :lol

[Kuestmaster]

Rumors are he's gonna officiate the ECF Game 7, can we get a source? Can't find one so far, if true, then we'll see the Heat Thursday :lol

Don't count on it. He likes to screw the home team and the superstars.

[FromWayDowntown]

Rumors are he's gonna officiate the ECF Game 7, can we get a source? Can't find one so far, if true, then we'll see the Heat Thursday :lol

I think that's what the typical scheduling of referees at ths stage of the playoffs suggests.

By the way, the last time there was a Game 7 in the conference finals round and a Finals Game 7 in the same year was 2005 (DET @ MIA, DET @ SA). As it turned out, the referees who worked Game 7 of the ECF also worked Game 7 of the Finals together -- Joey Crawford, Dick Bavetta, Eddie F. Rush.