Jason Collins comes out of the closet

[Killakobe81]

lol a thread full of jeebotards complaing about gay people
lol religious people incapable of hiding their true colors
lol bible thumpers being the most hateful people in this country

Not just this country ...all countries. Religon based wars have probably killed more people in the course of history than money, land or oil combined.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Not just this country ...all countries. Religon based wars have probably killed more people in the course of history than money, land or oil combined.

Agreed tbh. Religion leads to hatred, genocide, war, greed, corruption, etc.

If jeebotards are so annoyed at the sudden outcry of gay tolerance, they should blame themselves for decades of persecuting gay people and making the LGBT community something people feel sympathy towards.

[Killakobe81]

Jon Jones himself is probably gay as nearly as UFC fighters are. Straight men don't enjoy roling around on the floor with other men while wearing spandex.

LOL ... I know some people have decried this thread. But this thread has had jokes, social commentary, trolling and some decent debate. I dont see why people get so worked up ...people should discuss the religous, social and even comical side of the issue. Gay & lesbians tell the best gay jokes anyways. As long as you dont espouse hate it's all good ...and believe me before college I was a bit of a homophobe ... but my RA my freshmen year was gay and was cool so you realize as long as they don't hit on you who cares? And if you are Christian shouldnt you do your best to "save them"? I dont get hating them ...even if you disagree or don't "understand them".

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

LOL ... I know some people have decried this thread. But this thread has had jokes, social commentary, trolling and some decent debate. I dont see why people get so worked up ...people should discuss the religous, social and even comical side of the issue. Gay & lesbians tell the best gay jokes anyways. As long as you dont espouse hate it's all good ...and believe me before college I was a bit of a homophobe ... but my RA my freshmen year was gay and was cool so you realize as long as they don't hit on you who cares? And if you are Christian shouldnt you do your best to "save them"? I dont get hating them ...even if you disagree or don't "understand them".

In the Christian mind saving gay people is persecuting them, not giving them equal rights, and referring to them as the devil. Idk how many Christians I've heard convince themselves that keeping gay marriage illegal saves gay people and leads them to release their demons.

[Killakobe81]

In the Christian mind saving gay people is persecuting them, not giving them equal rights, and referring to them as the devil. Idk how many Christians I've heard convince themselves that keeping gay marriage illegal saves gay people and leads them to release their demons.

But that is the part of religon I dont like. The my way is the only way. If you love God and God loves his children ...then how can you hate 10% (is it still 10%) of his flock? I also dont like religons that are convinced there is only one true gospel. And decry other faiths even though they believe in God as well. Makes no sense.

And aren't you supposed to hate the sin not the sinner?

[Calispursfan11]

Which team in the NBA has the most gay players tbh?

[Venti Quattro]

So how long before we see Richard Jefferson and Luke Walton admit that they're both gay?

[Killakobe81]

So how long before we see Richard Jefferson and Luke Walton admit that they're both gay?

They already livin' the life. Like Jay once said ..."I got the pictures I seen ya" ...

[Sportcamper]

Which team in the NBA has the most gay players tbh?

:lmao

[SupremeGuy]

lol a thread full of jeebotards complaing about gay people
lol religious people incapable of hiding their true colors
lol bible thumpers being the most hateful people in this countryI can't tell if you're being purposely ironic or not...

Don't you see how stupid you look complaining about intolerance while at the same time calling Christians "jeebotards?"

If you're just trolling or being purposely ironic, my bad, and carry on. lol

[SupremeGuy]

And I think it's pretty weak for a relatively obscure player who's on the brink of retirement to come out. He honestly comes off more like an attention whore than anything else.

[MoSpur]

I don't think Broussard has to spologize to anyone for what he said. Its his RIGHT to believe how he wants. He doesn't have to celebrate someone being gay. Just like Collins has the right to be gay, Broussard has the right to his beliefs. He shouldn't be fired for it either.

[I. Hustle]

Not just this country ...all countries. Religon based wars have probably killed more people in the course of history than money, land or oil combined.


Agreed tbh. Religion leads to hatred, genocide, war, greed, corruption, etc.

If jeebotards are so annoyed at the sudden outcry of gay tolerance, they should blame themselves for decades of persecuting gay people and making the LGBT community something people feel sympathy towards.

LOL For the most part those wars used religion as an excuse. Take religion out of the equation and they will still find a reason to go after each other. Those in power used people like you who only see the pretty shiny things that distract from the bigger picture.

[I. Hustle]

I don't think Broussard has to spologize to anyone for what he said. Its his RIGHT to believe how he wants. He doesn't have to celebrate someone being gay. Just like Collins has the right to be gay, Broussard has the right to his beliefs. He shouldn't be fired for it either.

Exactly. Collins has the right to believe his way and so does Broussard. They both used the media to express themselves and neither should be punished.

[Blake]

But that is the part of religon I dont like. The my way is the only way. If you love God and God loves his children ...then how can you hate 10% (is it still 10%) of his flock? I also dont like religons that are convinced there is only one true gospel. And decry other faiths even though they believe in God as well. Makes no sense.

And aren't you supposed to hate the sin not the sinner?

"hate the sin, not the sinner" is made up bull shit for Christians that want it both ways.

Loving Bible God makes it incredibly clear what to do with teh gheys


Leviticus 20:13

King James Version (KJV)
13*If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Kill dem cock suckers

[Chinook]

Agreed tbh. Religion leads to hatred, genocide, war, greed, corruption, etc.

If jeebotards are so annoyed at the sudden outcry of gay tolerance, they should blame themselves for decades of persecuting gay people and making the LGBT community something people feel sympathy towards.

I don't think anyone on this board seriously expressed anything against the outcry of gay tolerance. I know I haven't been one of the people persecuting gay people. But there's a difference between supporting a gay person's right to be who they are and supporting the suppression of peaceful views to the contrary. I think most of the debate in this thread as over that distinction.

[Chinook]

Not just this country ...all countries. Religon based wars have probably killed more people in the course of history than money, land or oil combined.

No. That's not true. Very few major wars were based in religion. Most were based on conquest. Religion has always been an excuse for people to do what they were going to do anyway. As Marx said, it makes people reluctant to question their lives because they've been taught that this life doesn't matter. They don't look for anything better. Religion is a tool for mind control, but it in and of itself is not the cause of destruction.

[Chinook]

"hate the sin, not the sinner" is made up bull shit for Christians that want it both ways.

Loving Bible God makes it incredibly clear what to do with teh gheys



Kill dem cock suckers

You know, that Leviticus quote almost makes it seem like bisexuality is wrong. It pretty much screams, "Pick a Team!" to me. Not that that makes it better, though.

[Blake]

LOL For the most part those wars used religion as an excuse. Take religion out of the equation and they will still find a reason to go after each other. Those in power used people like you who only see the pretty shiny things that distract from the bigger picture.

The fact they were able to use religion as an excuse does religion no favors.

[ohmwrecker]

That one cracked me up. (no homo)

Yeah, if you gotta be a bigot, at least be funny.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Jeebotards
:lol Trying to play the victim, per par
:lol :cry "Stop persecuting us, let us hate gay people in peace" :cry

[Venti Quattro]

Gay people couldn't be worse than bible thumpers. They are THE WORST kinds of people to be around. It seems like everything that happens to them has something to do with what God planned or what God shuns away.

[Chinook]

Gay people couldn't be worse than bible thumpers. They are THE WORST kinds of people to be around. It seems like everything that happens to them has something to do with what God planned or what God shuns away.

Yeah, thanking god after every accomplishment is the second-worst thing an athlete can say in my opinion after misuing the word "humbling."

[Venti Quattro]

Yeah, thanking god after every accomplishment is the second-worst thing an athlete can say in my opinion after misuing the word "humbling."

There is nothing wrong in that, imo. That is what they believe and that is what powers them to win. If they mean it, then good. If they don't, they can at least continue performing as athletes. What I hate are those people who impose their religious beliefs on others.

[Chinook]

There is nothing wrong in that, imo. That is what they believe and that is what powers them to win. If they mean it, then good. If they don't, they can at least continue performing as athletes. What I hate are those people who impose their religious beliefs on others.

To me, that is much rarer in mainstream media nowadays than atheist imposing their lack of beliefs on others. People who admit they have faith are considered ignorant, and if asked to explain their views, they get attacked. Most people outside the bible belt see bible-thumpers as crazy. The WBC is almost universally panned. That's not the case for people who constantly go around and act like being smart inevitably leads to being atheist.

I mean, David Robinson and Manu Ginobili each have pretty well-defined stances on religion. But that doesn't tend to come out much. Yet people still view Robinson's faith in a bad light.

[Frank Dux]

2013 and people still grasp at reasons to be offended by others coming out the closet. smh...

[jag]

You think you're tolerant and gay-friendly? You're not half as gay-friendly as I am. I'll blow Jason Collins right now while wearing a turtleneck. What you got?

[Mugen]

You think you're tolerant and gay-friendly? You're not half as gay-friendly as I am. I'll blow Jason Collins right now while wearing a turtleneck. What you got?

How is that gay?

[Venti Quattro]

I mean, David Robinson and Manu Ginobili each have pretty well-defined stances on religion. But that doesn't tend to come out much. Yet people still view Robinson's faith in a bad light.

Dennis Rodman disagrees

[blkroadrunners]

I don't think Broussard has to spologize to anyone for what he said. Its his RIGHT to believe how he wants. He doesn't have to celebrate someone being gay. Just like Collins has the right to be gay, Broussard has the right to his beliefs. He shouldn't be fired for it either.

Agreed. He didn't go Tim Hardaway; nothing he said was of hate.

[Chinook]

Dennis Rodman disagrees

I'm sorry. I don't get the reference. Rodman was before my time, although he did play basketball with my brother when they were kids.

[CitizenDwayne]

:lol Jeebotards
:lol Trying to play the victim, per par
:lol :cry "Stop persecuting us, let us hate gay people in peace" :cry

Pretty much what I'm getting from all this

[Killakobe81]

No. That's not true. Very few major wars were based in religion. Most were based on conquest. Religion has always been an excuse for people to do what they were going to do anyway. As Marx said, it makes people reluctant to question their lives because they've been taught that this life doesn't matter. They don't look for anything better. Religion is a tool for mind control, but it in and of itself is not the cause of destruction.

Fine if you say it was just the excuse people were still killed in Gods name ...if some king or emperor had selfish motives doesn't change the fact that the soldiers in the fight tended to cling to religious ones.

[Chinook]

Fine if you say it was just the excuse people were still killed in Gods name ...if some king or emperor had selfish motives doesn't change the fact that the soldiers in the fight tended to cling to religious ones.

You say that as if that supports your previous argument; it doesn't. It's not like soldiers would drop their arms and shake hands if only they realized religion is all bullshit. There were plenty of other ideologies to follow, including racial supremacy, the spread of knowledge or most importantly, promise of a better life (on Earth). For every instance where history pretend people fought for religious reasons, there was another. more powerful reason at play in the minds of everyone, not just the people in power.

As far as I see it, three "major" western wars were fought on religious grounds: The Crusades, the Moorish conquests and the Thirty Year's war. What did the World Wars have to do with religion? Or the Roman and Macedonian conquests, or all the various revolutions (accept the failed English revolution). The Crimean War? Any American war? Haitian independence? Mexican independence? Brazilian Independence? The enslavement of Africans and Native Americans (like the real reason, not some auxiliary reason people tack on later)? The Nigerian Civil War?

War is political -- that's it. It has nothing to do with religion. Ideology in general is part of the political process, but faith has not been a bigger culprit of war than nationalism and greed. Sometimes, faith and nationalism go hand in hand (like with the destruction of Canaan and Aztec conquests), but it's pretty clear that nationalism is guiding religion in that case, not the other way around. Religion is a victim of people's ignorance, not the cause of it.

[Killakobe81]

You say that as if that supports your previous argument; it doesn't. It's not like soldiers would drop their arms and shake hands if only they realized religion is all bullshit. There were plenty of other ideologies to follow, including racial supremacy, the spread of knowledge or most importantly, promise of a better life (on Earth). For every instance where history pretend people fought for religious reasons, there was another. more powerful reason at play in the minds of everyone, not just the people in power.

As far as I see it, three "major" western wars were fought on religious grounds: The Crusades, the Moorish conquests and the Thirty Year's war. What did the World Wars have to do with religion? Or the Roman and Macedonian conquests, or all the various revolutions (accept the failed English revolution). The Crimean War? Any American war? Haitian independence? Mexican independence? Brazilian Independence? The enslavement of Africans and Native Americans (like the real reason, not some auxiliary reason people tack on later)? The Nigerian Civil War?

War is political -- that's it. It has nothing to do with religion. Ideology in general is part of the political process, but faith has not been a bigger culprit of war than nationalism and greed. Sometimes, faith and nationalism go hand in hand (like with the destruction of Canaan and Aztec conquests), but it's pretty clear that nationalism is guiding religion in that case, not the other way around. Religion is a victim of people's ignorance, not the cause of it.

You spinning this way too far ...and we could debate this if you like but I agree wars was probably not the best word choice probably should of said violence. The colonization and destruction of plenty of cultures were like many have said on here fought under thr banner of religon to hide other motives I get that. The need to save and educate cultures that believed in a diffrent Gods has done plenty to decimate cultures and kill or enslave plenty of people. You can call it ideology or nationalism but many colonist and slavers really believed they were saving savages or enlightening them (sound familiar?) the fact that the leaders had political motives means little. How many rank and file soldiers of most wars are dialed in to global politics?

I do come to this place for good debate and you seem very intelligent, but I am a History major and could spend time on the matter but I won't. This is still a place for sports debate (mostly)

To me Saying a war is political and that's it is a little narrow minded just like wars (even the ones you mentioned) were not strictly religous. I'm just pointing out plenty of soldiers find it easier to bare arms when they have a religous reason to do so. Sure nationalism can also be effective but when it comes down to committment to a cause but I dont think you are going to find a stronger reason than faith at least in the ranks of the people doing the killing. The so-called war on terror should remind us of that ...

[midnightpulp]

:lmao Kool having the most posts ITT.

The Lakers get their ass swept, Kobe makes a heroic trek to the bench that inspires the crowd, a lot of off-season speculation to discuss about the Lakers, and the only thing Kool wants to talk about is a faggot.

[Koolaid_Man]

This proves the guy had a political agenda. He comes out to SI but not his Fiance. A few comments from Kool on this:

(1) Considering her looks he got as close to openly dating a man as he could with this chic
(2) He's no hero. He couldn't even be honest with this woman and yet wants us to give him Kudos from being a first openly gay black athlete 'emphasis on black and gay'
(3) RJ left his finance standing at the alter as well with no reason. Memo to women if you've been a fiance for a long dam time and not yet married he's probably undercover :lol

The Down Low: NBA Booty Baller Jason Collin’s Swirly Fiancée Of 8 Years Says She Had No Idea He Was Gay!!
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/jasonsajpg_zps268ce146.jpg

Jason Collins Was Engaged To Carolyn Moos Before Coming Out As Gay Via TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2013/04/30/jason-collins-carolyn-moos-fiancee-gay/) reports:

The woman who was once engaged to NBA star Jason Collins tells TMZ, she had NO CLUE he was gay (http://bossip.com/765761/out-of-the-closet-nba-baller-jason-collins-becomes-first-active-american-gay-athlete-im-a-34-year-old-nba-center-im-black-and-im-gay-43081/) at the time of their relationship … in fact, she only found out last weekend … and she was floored.
Carolyn Moos (who played a few seasons in the WNBA) dated Collins for seven years and was engaged to him until they broke up in 2009 … after Collins pulled the plug on their wedding.
Carolyn tells TMZ, she never once suspected he was gay, so the news is shocking. She says Collins eventually revealed everything last weekend — just days before his big announcement — and said that his homosexuality was the real reason he ended things with her.
At the time of their breakup, Carolyn says Jason gave a bunch of BS reasons for calling it quits … and she could never understand what went wrong, until now.
Carolyn — who’s back on the hunt for Mr. Right — tells us, “It’s very emotional for me as a woman to have invested 8 years in my dream to have a husband, soul mate, and best friend in him. So this is all hard to understand.”
She adds, “I care about [Jason] tremendously and only want the best for him. I want Jason to be happy for a lifetime and stay true to who he really is, inside and out.”
Down low men ain’t isht! Want to take a gander at the bamboozled white girl? Hit the flip to see the woman that Jason lied to and deceived for years…

http://bossip.com/766436/the-down-low-nba-booty-baller-jason-collins-swirly-fiance-of-8-years-says-she-had-no-idea-he-was-gay/

[Chinook]

^ That woman could turn any man gay. :vomit:

[midnightpulp]

This proves the guy had a political agenda. He comes out to SI but not his Fiance. A few comments from Kool on this:

(1) Considering her looks he got as close to openly dating a man as he could with this chic
(2) He's no hero. He couldn't even be honest with this woman and yet wants us to give him Kudos from being a first openly gay black athlete 'emphasis on black and gay'
(3) RJ left his finance standing at the alter as well with no reason. Memo to women if you've been a fiance for a long dam time and not yet married he's probably undercover :lol

The Down Low: NBA Booty Baller Jason Collin’s Swirly Fiancée Of 8 Years Says She Had No Idea He Was Gay!!
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/jasonsajpg_zps268ce146.jpg

Jason Collins Was Engaged To Carolyn Moos Before Coming Out As Gay Via TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2013/04/30/jason-collins-carolyn-moos-fiancee-gay/) reports:

The woman who was once engaged to NBA star Jason Collins tells TMZ, she had NO CLUE he was gay (http://bossip.com/765761/out-of-the-closet-nba-baller-jason-collins-becomes-first-active-american-gay-athlete-im-a-34-year-old-nba-center-im-black-and-im-gay-43081/) at the time of their relationship … in fact, she only found out last weekend … and she was floored.
Carolyn Moos (who played a few seasons in the WNBA) dated Collins for seven years and was engaged to him until they broke up in 2009 … after Collins pulled the plug on their wedding.
Carolyn tells TMZ, she never once suspected he was gay, so the news is shocking. She says Collins eventually revealed everything last weekend — just days before his big announcement — and said that his homosexuality was the real reason he ended things with her.
At the time of their breakup, Carolyn says Jason gave a bunch of BS reasons for calling it quits … and she could never understand what went wrong, until now.
Carolyn — who’s back on the hunt for Mr. Right — tells us, “It’s very emotional for me as a woman to have invested 8 years in my dream to have a husband, soul mate, and best friend in him. So this is all hard to understand.”
She adds, “I care about [Jason] tremendously and only want the best for him. I want Jason to be happy for a lifetime and stay true to who he really is, inside and out.”
Down low men ain’t isht! Want to take a gander at the bamboozled white girl? Hit the flip to see the woman that Jason lied to and deceived for years…

http://bossip.com/766436/the-down-low-nba-booty-baller-jason-collins-swirly-fiance-of-8-years-says-she-had-no-idea-he-was-gay/

You seem very interested in this story?

How come? Do you see Collins as something of a hero to your people (black gay men)?

[Koolaid_Man]

:lmao Kool having the most posts ITT.

The Lakers get their ass swept, Kobe makes a heroic trek to the bench that inspires the crowd, a lot of off-season speculation to discuss about the Lakers, and the only thing Kool wants to talk about is a faggot.

Step 1 - Injury yourself
Step 2 - Have surgery
Step 3 - Take Stitches out....

This is where we're are at this point mid...the other steps enroute to another title soon to come. I have no interest at the moment until I hear we've traded Pau for Rondo, resign Dwight , and signed Josh Smith, and packaged Artest with some filler for Ariza...until then let's just focus on Kobe's stitches coming out..No Pun) .we gonna take this step by step mid...ok:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/6stiches56_n_zpsab314fd5.jpg

[Koolaid_Man]

You seem very interested in this story?

How come? Do you see Collins as something of a hero to your people (black gay men)?

It's quite bootylicious....wished it was your boy that came out..but I suspect he will soon though...real soon...

[CavsSuperFan]

Carolyn Moos is actually quite beautiful…Here is a better picture of her…

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/carolyn-moos-jason-collins/carolyn-moos-jason-collins.jpg

[DeadlyDynasty]

^No, she's not.

[Trill Clinton]

Carolyn Moos is actually quite beautiful…Here is a better picture of her…

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/carolyn-moos-jason-collins/carolyn-moos-jason-collins.jpg


http://i43.tinypic.com/4imotx.png

[Koolaid_Man]

Carolyn Moos is actually quite beautiful…Here is a better picture of her…

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/carolyn-moos-jason-collins/carolyn-moos-jason-collins.jpg

^ :lmao :lmao:lmao you made me spit out my starbucks all over the PC screen...but it was a laugh I needed :toast

[ElNono]

And I think it's pretty weak for a relatively obscure player who's on the brink of retirement to come out. He honestly comes off more like an attention whore than anything else.

ya, it's kinda gay (whoops)

[Clipper Nation]

Carolyn Moos is actually quite beautiful…Here is a better picture of her…

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/carolyn-moos-jason-collins/carolyn-moos-jason-collins.jpg
Ugh, God no.... I'd be surprised if she didn't have a dick....

[HI-FI]

damn Chinook is bullying KillaAchilles ass in the paint, running him off the 3 point line, forcing him to come out of the closet per par fwiw etc.....

i'm sure religion or faith or whatever it's called is a pretext for a war, but let's face it, all wars are all about resources, energy, that's fucking it. Every nigga wants to survive, and if that means screwing over another people or tribe, especially if they are inferior or ultimately seen as a threat to consume those precious resources, then shit goes down. it doesn't make it right, in fact it could very well be wrong and immoral in some grand cosmic scheme, but it's all about energy and resources.


as for Jason Collins girl, I hope she didn't take any loads in her ass courtesy of Collins. she might want to get an HIV test, i'm just saying....

[Killakobe81]

damn Chinook is bullying KillaAchilles ass in the paint, running him off the 3 point line, forcing him to come out of the closet per par fwiw etc.....

i'm sure religion or faith or whatever it's called is a pretext for a war, but let's face it, all wars are all about resources, energy, that's fucking it. Every nigga wants to survive, and if that means screwing over another people or tribe, especially if they are inferior or ultimately seen as a threat to consume those precious resources, then shit goes down. it doesn't make it right, in fact it could very Ewell be wrong and immoral in some grand cosmic scheme, but it's all about energy.


as for Jason Collins girl, I hope she didn't take any loads in her ass courtesy of Collins. she might want to get an HIV test, i'm just saying....

LOL leave it to this queer to come and mess up a fine discussion by sucking off Chinook ...
Tim Hardaway shuns you and Broussard condemns you to eternal damnation ...in case u missed it assclown

I conceded my poor word choice ...have no problem admitting Chinook wrote
well and cares deeply for the subject matter. More than I do ...if it means I got owned
In the all important opinion of the NBA forum ...so be it

[HI-FI]

LOL leave it to this queer to come and mess up a fine discussion by sucking off Chinook ...
Tim Hardaway shuns you and Broussard condemns you to eternal damnation ...in case u missed it assclown

I conceded my poor word choice ...have no problem admitting Chinook wrote
rll and cares deeply for the subject matter. Motre than I do if it means I got owned
In the all important opinion of the NBA forum so be it

it's cool bro, i have no problems with your sexual orientation, people's sexuality is very far down my list of concerns. i'm sure there's a ton of gay guys in the league or any sports league. I think it would be an advantage for gay people, because they enjoy all the physical contact and postgame showers, probably hoping for a gay version of Debbie Does Dallas. I wouldn't be shocked if there's a lot of gay scouts as well, it might be a tactical advantage to pour over hours and hours of tape like that.

I just thought it was hilarious how Chinook came in here and pointed out something obvious, which is it's all about the resources. Communist Russia, ancient Rome, they were some of the best at taking over other countries and it certainly wasn't about religion.

[HI-FI]

enough with my joking with KillaAchilles, I mean no disrespect.

but thinking about it, wouldn't an all gay team be a great team on paper? first you would have the liberal media on your side, constantly rooting for you. you wouldn't have to worry about lockerroom division over sexuality since they would be on the same team(s). Other teams would be really uncomfortable with their Detroit Bad Boys level of play. shit, if I was the owner, I would even hire a few nigs who were HIV positive just to really make other teams uncomfortable. Plus if dudes get sick with mysterious cancers that tend to affect certain demographics, you could reserve the amnesty clause for only the troublemakers.

I think the problem with making this work though is having a fanbase that would support an all gay team. Castro District Cruisers would be a formidable team in this league.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

I will present the non NBA response.

328890320009981952
:lol

So that explains how Jason Collins lasted 12 years in the NBA despite the fact that he doesn't have any basketball skills.

[Homeland Security]

You say that as if that supports your previous argument; it doesn't. It's not like soldiers would drop their arms and shake hands if only they realized religion is all bullshit. There were plenty of other ideologies to follow, including racial supremacy, the spread of knowledge or most importantly, promise of a better life (on Earth). For every instance where history pretend people fought for religious reasons, there was another. more powerful reason at play in the minds of everyone, not just the people in power.

As far as I see it, three "major" western wars were fought on religious grounds: The Crusades, the Moorish conquests and the Thirty Year's war. What did the World Wars have to do with religion? Or the Roman and Macedonian conquests, or all the various revolutions (accept the failed English revolution). The Crimean War? Any American war? Haitian independence? Mexican independence? Brazilian Independence? The enslavement of Africans and Native Americans (like the real reason, not some auxiliary reason people tack on later)? The Nigerian Civil War?

War is political -- that's it. It has nothing to do with religion. Ideology in general is part of the political process, but faith has not been a bigger culprit of war than nationalism and greed. Sometimes, faith and nationalism go hand in hand (like with the destruction of Canaan and Aztec conquests), but it's pretty clear that nationalism is guiding religion in that case, not the other way around. Religion is a victim of people's ignorance, not the cause of it.
I just want to state that this person is not me, in case anybody was wondering if I created another name to post thoughtful erudite stuff now that Extra Stout is retired and I only use my crazy stupid negro and genocidal authoritarian trolls.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

To me, that is much rarer in mainstream media nowadays than atheist imposing their lack of beliefs on others. People who admit they have faith are considered ignorant, and if asked to explain their views, they get attacked. Most people outside the bible belt see bible-thumpers as crazy. The WBC is almost universally panned. That's not the case for people who constantly go around and act like being smart inevitably leads to being atheist.

I mean, David Robinson and Manu Ginobili each have pretty well-defined stances on religion. But that doesn't tend to come out much. Yet people still view Robinson's faith in a bad light.
:lmao David Robinson's faith doesn't come out much? Really? He's alienated teammates by trying to shove his bible down their throat.

[Homeland Security]

I think the problem with making this work though is having a fanbase that would support an all gay team. Castro District Cruisers would be a formidable team in this league.Just scuttle the plans to have the Warriors move back across the Bay and put an all-gay expansion team in SF instead.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol Jeebotards
:lol Trying to play the victim, per par
:lol :cry "Stop persecuting us, let us hate gay people in peace" :cry
:lmao

:crythe war on Christianity continues:cry
:cryletting gay people marry is violating my freedom of religion:cry

[Chinook]

I just want to state that this person is not me, in case anybody was wondering if I created another name to post thoughtful erudite stuff now that Extra Stout is retired and I only use my crazy stupid negro and genocidal authoritarian trolls.

Thanks, I guess. I'm not familiar with your previous work.

[DeadlyDynasty]

:lmao David Robinson's faith doesn't come out much? Really? He's alienated teammates by trying to shove his bible down their throat.
and devalued fans' memorabilia by writing scripture on it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I don't think anyone on this board seriously expressed anything against the outcry of gay tolerance.
Of course you don't, you're a jeebotard and jeebotards can do mental hoolahoops to convince themselves nothing they say is hateful towards gays.


I know I haven't been one of the people persecuting gay people.
Judging by your posts ITT, I strongly doubt that. Lemme guess, you think gay marriage should be illegal but you also think you're helping gay people by not letting them marry?


But there's a difference between supporting a gay person's right to be who they are and supporting the suppression of peaceful views to the contrary.
Christians have supported violence and suppression of views they disagree with for centuries, jeebotards sanctimoniously complaining about being able to :cryfreely express their views:cry is irony at its finest.

[Blake]

and devalued fans' memorabilia by writing scripture on it.

He probably adds hundreds of dollars of value with every John 3 16, tbh.

Ask Timothy J.C. Tebow. Americans eat that shit up with a holy shovel.

[Chinook]

:lmao David Robinson's faith doesn't come out much? Really? He's alienated teammates by trying to shove his bible down their throat.

If it does, I must have missed it. I admit, that surely can be possible, since I was not cognizant of basketball for most of the Robinson era. He may have been worse before Duncan was there.

But I'll bring up Ray Lewis as another example, since I did follow his entire career. He did apparently clash with some teammates over his faith (Chris McAlister chief among them), but the majority were either okay with it or enjoyed it. But hell if the NFL forum and media in general didn't lash out at him for being openly Christian. I know he had the Atlanta thing in 2001, so most people think he's a hypocrite, but he's been a model citizen for 13 years, and people still attack him based on his mentions of religion.

Tebow is another example. He gets ridiculed for his faith, when the fact that he's a bad quarterback should be enough. I enjoy the jokes about both of them just fine, but I don't remember the last time anyone tried to get on someone for being atheist.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If it does, I must have missed it. I admit, that surely can be possible, since I was not cognizant of basketball for most of the Robinson era. He may have been worse before Duncan was there.
When Duncan was drafted he said something along the lines of how he wasn't gonna tell Duncan how to live his life the way he did with Rodman.


But I'll bring up Ray Lewis as another example, since I did follow his entire career. He did apparently clash with some teammates over his faith (Chris McAlister chief among them), but the majority were either okay with it or enjoyed it. But hell if the NFL forum and media in general didn't lash out at him for being openly Christian. I know he had the Atlanta thing in 2001, so most people think he's a hypocrite, but he's been a model citizen for 13 years, and people still attack him based on his mentions of religion.
:lmao "Model citizen except for when he stabbed someone to death!"
Most people think he's a hypocrite because he is one. He stabbed someone to death and pretends to be a deeply religious, peaceful person.


Tebow is another example. He gets ridiculed for his faith, when the fact that he's a bad quarterback should be enough. I enjoy the jokes about both of them just fine, but I don't remember the last time anyone tried to get on someone for being atheist.
That's because atheists don't use a national stage to shove their beliefs down people's throat. This is a classic example of a jeebotard trying to equate Christianity with atheism. People get ridiculed because they believe in illogical bullshit. Being an atheist isn't remotely comparable to being a jeebotard.

[Homeland Security]

I was going to make some reflective post about DoK's stereotypical college-student know-it-all-ism, but I won't because who gives a fuck as long as his posts are entertaining.

[Chinook]

Of course you don't, you're a jeebotard and jeebotards can do mental hoolahoops to convince themselves nothing they say is hateful towards gays.

I'm not a Christian. You think I am because I defend them. Just like people used to call anybody who spoke up for gay rights gay. Don't you see the hypocrisy there? It's one extreme or the other with people. Either religion has to rule their lives or be mocked and downtrodden. We can't just accept it as a part of people's lives that works for individuals but shouldn't be the basis of government.


Judging by your posts ITT, I strongly doubt that. Lemme guess, you think gay marriage should be illegal but you also think you're helping gay people by not letting them marry?

I don't think gay marriage should be illegal at all. It's no one's god-damned business who anyone else marries. It's not like the divorce rates in this country are so high because of gay people. Religious nuts should look in the mirror before trying to blame others. I don't even think marriage is a religious institution to begin with. I had a friend tell me marriage was invented before sex, and I laughed him out of the room.


Christians have supported violence and suppression of views they disagree with for centuries, jeebotards sanctimoniously complaining about being able to:cryfreely express their views:cry is irony at its finest.

Yes, they have. And that's why the Bible should not be used as a guide for society. People need to learn to think for themselves and not do what a book written by people who lived thousands of years ago and who didn't give a damn about them say. Following any ideology too strongly leads to close-mindedness and oppression. I don't really respect anyone that hides behind a book when they do something wrong.

But that's not the point. We have a free society, and to keep it we need to step up and protect all rights. People have a right to their opinions, and they have a right to express them, so long as they do so in a civil way. I don't support people harassing others because they don't conform to their beliefs. That especially goes for people who are made to feel bad because of things they can't control, like their sexuality. But it also goes for people who get ridiculed for believing what they believe while not hurting others. It needs to go both ways.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm not a Christian. You think I am because I defend them. Just like people used to call anybody who spoke up for gay rights gay. Don't you see the hypocrisy there? It's one extreme or the other with people. Either religion has to rule their lives or be mocked and downtrodden. We can't just accept it as a part of people's lives that works for individuals but shouldn't be the basis of government.
The difference is my extreme is a response to their extreme. If Christians kept their bullshit to themselves and didn't try to lump it into government, I wouldn't be so obnoxious and condescending with my atheism.


I don't think gay marriage should be illegal at all. It's no one's god-damned business who anyone else marries. It's not like the divorce rates in this country are so high because of gay people. Religious nuts should look in the mirror before trying to blame others. I don't even think marriage is a religious institution to begin with. I had a friend tell me marriage was invented before sex, and I laughed him out of the room.
Rest assured, the people you're defending ITT would consider you faggot loving overtolerant libtard for having this^ opinion.


Yes, they have. And that's why the Bible should not be used as a guide for society. People need to learn to think for themselves and not do what a book written by people who lived thousands of years ago and who didn't give a damn about them say. Following any ideology too strongly leads to close-mindedness and oppression. I don't really respect anyone that hides behind a book when they do something wrong.
Even though "hiding behind a book for doing something wrong" is a description that fits Ray Lewis perfectly?


But that's not the point. We have a free society, and to keep it we need to step up and protect all rights. People have a right to their opinions, and they have a right to express them, so long as they do so in a civil way. I don't support people harassing others because they don't conform to their beliefs. That especially goes for people who are made to feel bad because of things they can't control, like their sexuality. But it also goes for people who get ridiculed for believing what they believe while not hurting others. It needs to go both ways.
You're right. We're all entitled to our opinions. I'm entitled to the opinion jeebotard Christians are destroying this country while being an extremely stupid and hateful group. Ridiculing people for something they CHOOSE to believe is also way different than ridiculing people for their sexual orientation.

By your logic, we should respect the views Nazis and have and not ridicule them because they're free to believe what they want.

[Chinook]

When Duncan was drafted he said something along the lines of how he wasn't gonna tell Duncan how to live his life the way he did with Rodman.

So what's wrong with that? How is that forcing beliefs onto others. Duncan and Robinson ended up being great friends. I don't how that applies, except maybe that Robinson had learned his lesson by then.


:lmao "Model citizen except for when he stabbed someone to death!"
Most people think he's a hypocrite because he is one. He stabbed someone to death and pretends to be a deeply religious, peaceful person.

I specifically mentioned the last 13 years, because that has been the time that he's been this way. He could have stabbed someone to death, THEN became religious. It happens, you know. And that's not even getting into the fact that all he did was lie to the police and hang out with the wrong crowd.


That's because atheists don't use a national stage to shove their beliefs down people's throat. This is a classic example of a jeebotard trying to equate Christianity with atheism. People get ridiculed because they believe in illogical bullshit. Being an atheist isn't remotely comparable to being a jeebotard.

No, atheists use crappy peer-pressure tactics and sub-media tactics instead. It's the same thing with most mainstream ideas of progressivism. They pretend like atheism is the logical theory, and theist lack the intelligence to realize it. But that's not true. Religion is non-factual, but it's not illogical. Atheism is neither more logical or factual; it's just an answer to a metaphysical question that has no conclusive evidence either way. So committing yourself to either side is equally intellectually irresponsible.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So what's wrong with that? How is that forcing beliefs onto others. Duncan and Robinson ended up being great friends. I don't how that applies, except maybe that Robinson had learned his lesson by then.
My point was prior to Duncan he'd shoved his beliefs down the throat of other teammates.


I specifically mentioned the last 13 years, because that has been the time that he's been this way. He could have stabbed someone to death, THEN became religious. It happens, you know. And that's not even getting into the fact that all he did was lie to the police and hang out with the wrong crowd.
So in order to prevent himself from stabbing people he needs a false prophet as a crutch to believe in. Sounds like someone who should be euthanized tbh.


No, atheists use crappy peer-pressure tactics and sub-media tactics instead.
You mean logical and scientific evidence?


It's the same thing with most mainstream ideas of progressivism. They pretend like atheism is the logical theory, and theist lack the intelligence to realize it. But that's not true. Religion is non-factual, but it's not illogical. Atheism is neither more logical or factual; it's just an answer to a metaphysical question that has no conclusive evidence either way. So committing yourself to either side is equally intellectually irresponsible.
Evolution and the Big Bang theory are what is created based off all available evidence. Just because you can't conclusively say it's true doesn't mean it's just as illogical or faith based as jeebotardism. Committing yourself to the side that presents scientific evidence and actual research rather than the side that presents a book is a lot more intellectually responsible.

Saying atheism isn't more factual than theism demonstrates a gross amount of stupidity and blind defense of jeebotardism.

[Chinook]

Damn, multi-quotes are exhausting.


The difference is my extreme is a response to their extreme. If Christians kept their bullshit to themselves and didn't try to lump it into government, I wouldn't be so obnoxious and condescending with my atheism.

I think it's fair to attack the people who are trying to push their religion into government. It's their right to do so, but it's your right to push back. But that's the fault of those people who don't care about the separation of church and state. It's not the fault of someone who just sits at home and reads their bible in peace. There are a lot more of the latter in the country than the former, yet they get lumped together.


Rest assured, the people you're defending ITT would consider you faggot loving overtolerant libtard for having this^ opinion.

I'm not trying to curry their favor. I think the problem with all of these issues is that the debate is structured incorrectly. No one wants to reach a consensus on any of these issues. It's just black and white with everyone. Someone should be trying to really figure out what the issues are so we can stop arguing in circles.


Even though "hiding behind a book for doing something wrong" is a description that fits Ray Lewis perfectly?

Ray isn't hiding behind a book, at least not in the sense that I meant it. He doesn't use the bible to justify what he did. He doesn't say, "Well, you know, the Good Book says that obstructing justice is all right so long as it's your homies." People who commit hate crimes then cite Leviticus are who I mean.


You're right. We're all entitled to our opinions. I'm entitled to the opinion jeebotard Christians are destroying this country while being an extremely stupid and hateful group. Ridiculing people for something they CHOOSE to believe is also way different than ridiculing people for their sexual orientation.

By your logic, we should respect the views Nazis and have and not ridicule them because they're free to believe what they want.

I'm not trying to disrespect your view. I'm challenging it through civil discussion. I believe that's the way these things should be handled. I agree that you can have whatever opinion of anyone that you want. I don't care to change it. But my objection is not so much with your behavior (indeed, I wasn't even talking to you originally) as much as it is with people boycotting Chick Fil 'A or attacking Oscar Scott Card for being against gay marriage when that had nothing to do with the products they were selling. Card wasn't writing in his books that everyone should kill gay people. People shouldn't have to agree with all of our view for us to treat them with respect. It's 2013, and we should be able to just say, "I disagree with your views, but I still appreciate the contributions you make."

[DPG21920]

DoK is way off base IMO. Too many bad arguments to keep count here. He hates religion so much then goes on and on about how religious people are biased. IMO, the "it's so cool to bash religion" crowd is one of the more obnoxious, close-minded group out there. They are like the hipsters of debate.

That logic of "well if religious people didn't want gays to celebrate, they shouldn't have persecuted them" argument is even more funny considering DoK essentially hates minorities and thinks that they shouldn't have programs like affirmative action and such even though they have been and continue to be persecuted.

I have religious beliefs but I definitely support gay marriage and people being open about it. I don't agree with it, but I don't hold it against anyone. Much like I have great friends with different religious beliefs, political views and other major differences.

[DPG21920]

Also, Nazi's? You can only respect other's views until it infringes on their basic human rights. If your intent is to harm (be it physically or mentally) that is not "respecting someone's difference of opinion' and of course should be fought against.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That logic of "well if religious people didn't want gays to celebrate, they shouldn't have persecuted them" argument is even more funny considering DoK essentially hates minorities and thinks that they shouldn't have programs like affirmative action and such even though they have been and continue to be persecuted.
:lol ad-hominem logical fallacy
:lol Christians being unable to logically attack my argument

[DPG21920]

Also lol at DoK citing Robinson like it's common. It's so uncommon you would be ultra hard-pressed to find many examples like DRob in all of sports. It's not common at all and DRob is a rare bread in that regard.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Also, Nazi's? You can only respect other's views until it infringes on their basic human rights. If your intent is to harm (be it physically or mentally) that is not "respecting someone's difference of opinion' and of course should be fought against.
Christians have been infringing on the rights of others for decades, gays being the current prominent example.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Also lol at DoK citing Robinson like it's common. It's so uncommon you would be ultra hard-pressed to find many examples like DRob in all of sports. It's not common at all and DRob is a rare bread in that regard.
I didn't cite Robinson, I responded to a post about him.

[DPG21920]

:lol ad-hominem logical fallacy
:lol Christians being unable to logically attack my argument

No, that's exactly what you do when you say things like Nazi's and "maybe if you didn't want this you shouldn't have been so mean!".

So do you love minorities and believe in all of their programs and griping?

[Chinook]

My point was prior to Duncan he'd shoved his beliefs down the throat of other teammates.

All right. I have no reason to disagree with you. As I said, before my time.


So in order to prevent himself from stabbing people he needs a false prophet as a crutch to believe in. Sounds like someone who should be euthanized tbh.

If how you characterized the situation were accurate, I'd agree with you.


You mean logical and scientific evidence?

Evolution and the Big Bang theory are what is created based off all available evidence. Just because you can't conclusively say it's true doesn't mean it's just as illogical or faith based as jeebotardism. Committing yourself to the side that presents scientific evidence and actual research rather than the side that presents a book is a lot more intellectually responsible.

Saying atheism isn't more factual than theism demonstrates a gross amount of stupidity and blind defense of jeebotardism.

I agree with the mainstream scientific theories. Evolution was one of my majors in college. But those theories aren't evidence for atheism; their evidence against the creation theories presented by religions. Nothing about evolution or the big bang theory exclude the idea of a god; in fact, they'd both make just as much if not more sense by including a god in the theory.

I don't want to get too into this, as this is crazy-off topic now. But logically speaking, we know that we are machines, that the whole universe is pretty well organized system on a mathematical level. Why is evidence showing how we were created evidence against the idea that we were created? It'd be like robots being able to prove they how they were built and taking that as evidence of not being made by intelligent forces. I know they can see us, and we can't see god and all that. But if humans were long extinct when the robots found out, they may have the same reaction. There was an interesting episode of Futurama about that, actually, if you have ever watched the show. I think that those are the reasons why we have to keep an open mind in all this.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

No, that's exactly what you do when you say things like Nazi's and "maybe if you didn't want this you shouldn't have been so mean!".

So do you love minorities and believe in all of their programs and griping?
Nothing here disputes the fact you just displayed a textbook example of an ad-hominem argument.

[HI-FI]

I was going to make some reflective post about DoK's stereotypical college-student know-it-all-ism, but I won't because who gives a fuck as long as his posts are entertaining.

He is really pretentious, but is entertaining whenever the bible and buttfucking are brought up. It just sends him over the edge.

Try to appreciate him now while you can. Unless the HIV vaccine is developed in time, DoK might end up another statistic of natural selection I'm afraid.

[DPG21920]

Guys like DoK are the modern day bible thumpers.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Guys like DoK are the modern day bible thumpers.

That's telling me.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

He is really pretentious, but is entertaining whenever the bible and buttfucking are brought up. It just sends him over the edge.

Try to appreciate him now while you can. Unless the HIV vaccine is developed in time, DoK might end up another statistic of natural selection I'm afraid.

The only people getting sent over the edge are the ones like you having nightmares about a society accepting of gay people :lol

:lol "You must be gay the way you support gay marriage!"

[HI-FI]

The only people getting sent over the edge are the ones like you having nightmares about a society accepting of gay people :lol

:lol "You must be gay the way you support gay marriage!"
this -1

[Killakobe81]

enough with my joking with KillaAchilles, I mean no disrespect.

but thinking about it, wouldn't an all gay team be a great team on paper? first you would have the liberal media on your side, constantly rooting for you. you wouldn't have to worry about lockerroom division over sexuality since they would be on the same team(s). Other teams would be really uncomfortable with their Detroit Bad Boys level of play. shit, if I was the owner, I would even hire a few nigs who were HIV positive just to really make other teams uncomfortable. Plus if dudes get sick with mysterious cancers that tend to affect certain demographics, you could reserve the amnesty clause for only the troublemakers.

I think the problem with making this work though is having a fanbase that would support an all gay team. Castro District Cruisers would be a formidable team in this league.

It's all good it's why I threw out the gay slurs because again I think ... it's a good dialogue.
If you go back and look at my posts in this thread ...
I have called for a "star gay player to come out ...
I have defended bible thumpers rights to disagree ..
I have mocked Collins as an "active" player ...
I have also made a few gay jokes ...

If people get too sensitive or trenchedin to their owm mores ...then the shit gets boring ...

And that Collins is the Jackie Robinson of sucking cock even the most enlightened have to admit that is funny ...crass but funny.

[Killakobe81]

But even if DOK is a bible thumper he has a right to live that way same as JAson Collins ...even more right ..since he wont be going to hell!



Joking ...

[thunderup]

DoK is way off base IMO. Too many bad arguments to keep count here. He hates religion so much then goes on and on about how religious people are biased. IMO, the "it's so cool to bash religion" crowd is one of the more obnoxious, close-minded group out there. They are like the hipsters of debate.

That logic of "well if religious people didn't want gays to celebrate, they shouldn't have persecuted them" argument is even more funny considering DoK essentially hates minorities and thinks that they shouldn't have programs like affirmative action and such even though they have been and continue to be persecuted.

I have religious beliefs but I definitely support gay marriage and people being open about it. I don't agree with it, but I don't hold it against anyone. Much like I have great friends with different religious beliefs, political views and other major differences.
:tu

[Koolaid_Man]

DoK is way off base IMO. Too many bad arguments to keep count here. He hates religion so much then goes on and on about how religious people are biased. IMO, the "it's so cool to bash religion" crowd is one of the more obnoxious, close-minded group out there. They are like the hipsters of debate.

That logic of "well if religious people didn't want gays to celebrate, they shouldn't have persecuted them" argument is even more funny considering DoK essentially hates minorities and thinks that they shouldn't have programs like affirmative action and such even though they have been and continue to be persecuted.

I have religious beliefs but I definitely support gay marriage and people being open about it. I don't agree with it, but I don't hold it against anyone. Much like I have great friends with different religious beliefs, political views and other major differences.

^ then what do you have against Welshers...sounds like we are ONE

[TheSullyMonster]

I think it's fair to attack the people who are trying to push their religion into government. It's their right to do so, but it's your right to push back. But that's the fault of those people who don't care about the separation of church and state. It's not the fault of someone who just sits at home and reads their bible in peace.


The quiet ones who just sit at home and read their bible still get some blame for giving money to organizations like 'focus on the family' and voting for for politicians trying to eliminate the separation of church and state.

[Koolaid_Man]

no homo...but Collins is an ugly Mofo..why couldn't it have at least been a handsome dude representing the gay blacks

[Koolaid_Man]

uhh oh....


Collins Gave Okafor Advance Notice Of Announcement Apr 30, 2013 12:02 AM EDT


Emeka Okafor was one of a select group of people that was informed of Jason Collins' announcement of his sexuality on Monday.
Okafor said Collins was "calm, collected and cool" during their conversation.
"I'm happy for him and I congratulated him," Okafor told Yahoo! Sports on Monday. "While it's a great thing, it's tough not knowing how it will be perceived. Whenever you're the first there is always that uncertainty.
"He called me right before the article came out and told me. But before that I didn't know. I told him that I thought it was a very brave thing that he's doing."
Okafor believes there would be no issue with Collins returning to the Wizards next season.
"We all get along so great," Okafor said. "Jason was part of the group. I thought the only difference is him coming out saying he's gay. He's still the same person. He still has the same rapport with us. Everything is going to be the same."
Okafor expects Collins to continue his NBA career.
"For a gay athlete to come out and announce that he's gay is a huge deal," Okafor said. "The majority of us don't have that pressure or are harboring a secret that others might look down upon. We don't have to put on an act and pretend like we are the same as the next person when we're different. You may be punished because of that difference. The effort of him coming out and being the first one, I think it is [noteworthy]. Should it be a big deal? That's a bigger question that goes into the times we are in.
"We would like to say no, but that's just the way things are right now. With Jason's help, I think he's going to make it so later on it won't be a big deal and when the next person comes out we don't really care. People will say, ‘I'm gay,' and we'll say, ‘OK. So what. Put on a jersey, let's go.' That's a point that he's trying to get it to."

[SupremeGuy]

Guys like DoK are the modern day bible thumpers.Pretty much. It's painfully ironic.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

no homo...but Collins is an ugly Mofo..why couldn't it have at least been a handsome dude representing the gay blacks

:lol Koolaids_Man! So when you and your gym "partner" are rolling around on the ground do you say "no homo"? :lol when your legs are wrapped around his waist do you make eye contact? :lol

[ElNono]

I don't want to get too into this, as this is crazy-off topic now. But logically speaking, we know that we are machines, that the whole universe is pretty well organized system on a mathematical level. Why is evidence showing how we were created evidence against the idea that we were created? It'd be like robots being able to prove they how they were built and taking that as evidence of not being made by intelligent forces. I know they can see us, and we can't see god and all that. But if humans were long extinct when the robots found out, they may have the same reaction. There was an interesting episode of Futurama about that, actually, if you have ever watched the show. I think that those are the reasons why we have to keep an open mind in all this.

The actual logical conclusion to that would be "we don't know who created what, more scientific research on this area is needed". Filling up the gaps with fairy tales about a giant ark, a sea separated by an old man with a staff, some mind-controlled bears killing children, etc is not serious, tbh...

[TDMVPDPOY]

this is why i never back down on a guy lowposting or any postup for position....

[AaronY]

This country and world is a disgrace
Tax me out the wazoo, give foreigners all kinds of money
Said foreigners subsequently blow up runners, provide them with lawyers free of charge
Some lousy basketball player comes out the closet, we must be open minded and celebrate all things gay
Someone else with religious beliefs speaks about their beliefs, lets shit on them
Only in America can you be treated better as a bomb wielding Muslim than someone who is really into the bible
Repent before the god damned locusts come and the frogs fall from the sky

[NRHector]

This country and world is a disgrace
Tax me out the wazoo, give foreigners all kinds of money
Said foreigners subsequently blow up runners, provide them with lawyers free of charge
Some lousy basketball player comes out the closet, we must be open minded and celebrate all things gay
Someone else with religious beliefs speaks about their beliefs, lets shit on them
Only in America can you be treated better as a bomb wielding Muslim than someone who is really into the bible
Repent before the god damned locusts come and the frogs fall from the sky

I wish I was that little kid

[AaronY]

Me too imho...

[AaronY]

He'll probably never be as happy again as he was right there. It's sad in a way.

[NASpurs]

a. You're a dumbshit for using that word.
b. if you read Jason's article, he says his twin brother is not gay.

lol sensitive faggot

[AaronY]

Of course the liberal media is going to praise this situation with Jason Collins, it fits the agenda. It's interesting to see how someone like this gets treated vs. a Tim Tebow, who openly professes to be a Christian. Anyone who can't see the double standard in that comparison is blind or chooses to be. Anyone who disagrees will be labeled as a "hater". You cannot "disagree" with the gay lifestyle these days and not be labeled.


This NBA player professes that hes "gay" and next thing you know Michelle Obama is tweeting about him, Obama gives him a phone call, all of the major media outlets go out of their way to write glorious articles about how brave he is. Yet, a man like Tim Tebow, that has openly held a pro-life stance, his religious beliefs, ect. gets a bad reputation in the media for holding such views. The media is a joke these days. I'm not saying there is not a conservative media, im just saying the Liberal media is so quick to jump on other people and discriminate but when something like this story comes up its GOLDEN.


I know this will rustle most of the atheist posters here, however, this is true and you know it.

[Clipper Nation]

Who gives a shit about who the liberal media idolizes? Yes, there is a conservative media, and they slurped Tebow non-stop during the peak of his popularity.... I seem to recall Tebow being talked about constantly on Faux News, usually because :cry some mean old lib'rul bashed him for being a Christian :cry or some shit like that.... anyway, someone like Jason Collins being slurped is just the left's version of that, tbh.....

[AaronY]

How awesome would it be if Collins was really a straight dude but he blew all his money on coke and strippers, and so he came up with this as a way to get a job. Be like the plot of a Wayans brothers movie

[SupremeGuy]

The media's double standard and bigotry are pretty disgusting. Collins tells the World that he likes dicks and balls in his mouth and ass, and he gets praised like a fucking faggot hero. Tebow goes around telling people that he's a Christian and they try to make him sound like he's out there bombing Americans like some bitch muslim.

The people I really feel sorry for are the people that can't even come up with their own opinions and just follow whatever narrative the media tells them to follow.

Kind of reminds me of the difference between Lakers media coverage and Spurs media coverage. The Spurs beat the living shit out of the Lakers, embarrass them, and all I've heard the media talk about is about how the Lakers failed to live up to their potential this season. Almost nothing at all about how the Spurs just completely dominated them. But, that's the narrative. When the Spurs beat a large market teams, it's always about how the large market team failed and barely ever about how the Spurs were just better. That shit works on stupid people and basically convinces them that anytime the Spurs win, it's basically because we got lucky or some bullshit. lol It's pretty damn lame.

[Chinook]

The actual logical conclusion to that would be "we don't know who created what, more scientific research on this area is needed". Filling up the gaps with fairy tales about a giant ark, a sea separated by an old man with a staff, some mind-controlled bears killing children, etc is not serious, tbh...

Theism and religion aren't the same thing. Theism hinges on a premise; it doesn't propose any different explanation beyond that premise.

[Chinook]

The quiet ones who just sit at home and read their bible still get some blame for giving money to organizations like 'focus on the family' and voting for for politicians trying to eliminate the separation of church and state.

The people who do the former are still pretty rare, but they and the people who do the later are still following their rights without violating anyone else's. The have the freedom of assembly as much as we do.

[LkrFan]

Who is the next player to come out? My guess is Bonnie Griffin. He looks like a manicure getting mufucka tbh. :lol

[NRHector]

He'll probably never be as happy again as he was right there. It's sad in a way.

Little fucker knew what he was doing

[lakerhaterade]

On todays Inside the NBA, there was an eerie awkwardness that came with the showing of Shaq backing down the big 7 foot fruit in his Lakers/Heat yesterdays. The guys were like, "(chuckle,chuckle) that was an offensive foul shaq", to which Shaq replied, "those were strong moves".

you jus kant say whteber tings u want anymo in dese sitches tbh

[AaronY]

The media's double standard and bigotry are pretty disgusting. Collins tells the World that he likes dicks and balls in his mouth and ass, and he gets praised like a fucking faggot hero. Tebow goes around telling people that he's a Christian and they try to make him sound like he's out there bombing Americans like some bitch muslim.

The people I really feel sorry for are the people that can't even come up with their own opinions and just follow whatever narrative the media tells them to follow.

Kind of reminds me of the difference between Lakers media coverage and Spurs media coverage. The Spurs beat the living shit out of the Lakers, embarrass them, and all I've heard the media talk about is about how the Lakers failed to live up to their potential this season. Almost nothing at all about how the Spurs just completely dominated them. But, that's the narrative. When the Spurs beat a large market teams, it's always about how the large market team failed and barely ever about how the Spurs were just better. That shit works on stupid people and basically convinces them that anytime the Spurs win, it's basically because we got lucky or some bullshit. lol It's pretty damn lame.
Don't think I could've said it better.


This is just infuriating. When I read this, Tim Tebow is exactly where my mind went. I'm not really a Tebow fan on the field, but I have tremendous respect for him being so open and vocal about his faith. Unfortunately he's the subject of more jokes than I can count, meanwhile Jason Collins will probably be praised for his "courage", or something along those lines.


A few years ago, talk began of putting foot-washing basins in airports for Muslims, and the Christians who spoke up where called bigots.


They began showing videos about same-sex couples to 2nd and 3rd graders, and the Christian parents who didn't want their children seeing that were dragged through the mud by the media.


Dr. Kermit Gosnell - an abortion doctor - is on trial for murder, yet I've heard next to nothing about it outside of the Bott Radio Network (a Christian network for those of you not familiar with it). And President Obama spoke at Planned Parenthood's national conference. He said it's "not going anywhere" instead of condemning Dr. Gosnell - who has prior connections with the organization!


My local newspaper printed a slander-oozing article about the Sheriff, claiming he displays the 10 Commandments along with other historical documents - which is perfectly legal - but accuse him of doing so for religious reasons...as if he is a horrible human being for displaying the Word of God in that building! The article was titled Our View: Sheriff wraps himself in biblical flag.






WHY IS THIS COUNTRY TOLERANT OF EVERYONE EXCEPT CHRISTIANS???!!!


Still, we reap what we sow, and those who sow tainted seeds, will reap rotten fruit. All we can do is to do our best to live as examples to the world.


"Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." - Matthew 5:14-16

[Woo Bum-kon]

I have religious beliefs but I definitely support gay marriage and people being open about it. I don't agree with it, but I don't hold it against anyone. Much like I have great friends with different religious beliefs, political views and other major differences.

I hope you aren't a Christian, then, because God definitely doesn't support gay marriage.

And Bible thumpers are the modern day Bible thumpers.

[Spurs da champs]

Funny how the overwhelming majority in this country are Christians & they're trying to play the victim card, when they have never been through the discrimination of minorities like Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims & gays have.

Such selfish/hateful idiots you are.

BTW the hate for Tebow is not he is a Christian, it's how flamboyant he is in showing it. Get your head out your asses!

[Woo Bum-kon]

:cry we Christians are being persecuted, even though we have been the majority in this country for hundreds of years :cry
:cry why can't I shove my religion and it's shitty values down people's throats without being criticized for it :cry

[benefactor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzO1r3GDMHo

[SupremeGuy]

Funny how the overwhelming majority in this country are Christians & they're trying to play the victim card, when they have never been through the discrimination of minorities like Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims & gays have.

Such selfish/hateful idiots you are.

BTW the hate for Tebow is not he is a Christian, it's how flamboyant he is in showing it. Get your head out your asses!I'm Hispanic and Agnostic, and I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Chinook]

I do think Collins is cheapening everything the gay-rights movement is trying to accomplish by pretending to be a social activist now.

What I'd like to see instead of SI articles is just a guy hanging out with his boyfriend, and the media catches him and asks if he's gay, and he says, "Oh, yeah." And then for the media to say, "Do your teammates know?" And him say, "A couple, yeah. It really just doesn't comes up. It's no big deal." I'd have mad respect for that guy for being straight-up (don't mind the pun) instead of cowering for years and then pretending like he's ready to lead.

[jag]

DoK getting his Nero on. His obsession with Christianity is bordering on bizarre.

[Koolaid_Man]

I do think Collins is cheapening everything the gay-rights movement is trying to accomplish by pretending to be a social activist now.

What I'd like to see instead of SI articles is just a guy hanging out with his boyfriend, and the media catches him and asks if he's gay, and he says, "Oh, yeah." And then for the media to say, "Do your teammates know?" And him say, "A couple, yeah. It really just doesn't comes up. It's no big deal." I'd have mad respect for that guy for being straight-up (don't mind the pun) instead of cowering for years and then pretending like he's ready to lead.

Jason did the right thing by not coming out. It would have been selfish of him to come out and disrupt his teammates...they would have never been able to focus because of his Booty Ballin ass. He would have been a distraction...I hope the Lakers pick him up as Dwights back-up...Once again all eyes will be on LA...it would be hilarious...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

DoK getting his Nero on. His obsession with Christianity is bordering on bizarre.
Almost as bizarre as Christianity's obsession with gay people, tbh.

[jag]

Almost as bizarre as Christianity's obsession with gay people, tbh.

Touche. But as far as you're concerned aren't Christians inherently illogical and extremist? What's your excuse?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Touche. But as far as you're concerned aren't Christians inherently illogical and extremist? What's your excuse?
My excuse is that I'm inherently obsessed with logic and reasoning thus I can't help myself from shitting on religion at every opportunity.

[Blake]

DoK getting his Nero on. His obsession with Christianity is bordering on bizarre.

Christianity does our society no good. It's extremely easy to make arguments that it brings us all down.

The only thing I truly hate more than Christianity is home owners associations.

If christianity is illogical and extreme, then it needs to be snuffed.

[NASpurs]

Do Blake and Woo Bum-kon/Redzero rummage through Spurstalk for religion threads? Those faggots crusade to topple down Christianity on Spurstalk is hilarious. :lmao

[Chinook]

Jason did the right thing by not coming out. It would have been selfish of him to come out and disrupt his teammates...they would have never been able to focus because of his Booty Ballin ass. He would have been a distraction...I hope the Lakers pick him up as Dwights back-up...Once again all eyes will be on LA...it would be hilarious...

Maybe practicing against Collins could teach Howard to stop banging so hard in the post.

[NASpurs]

:cry I have a big voice on the internet and I'll show you my logic and try to belittle your outdated beliefs :cry

[NASpurs]

Christianity does our society no good. It's extremely easy to make arguments that it brings us all down.

The only thing I truly hate more than Christianity is home owners associations.

If christianity is illogical and extreme, then it needs to be snuffed.

The priest who fingered your butthole did a number on you :lol

[Killakobe81]

I do think Collins is cheapening everything the gay-rights movement is trying to accomplish by pretending to be a social activist now.

What I'd like to see instead of SI articles is just a guy hanging out with his boyfriend, and the media catches him and asks if he's gay, and he says, "Oh, yeah." And then for the media to say, "Do your teammates know?" And him say, "A couple, yeah. It really just doesn't comes up. It's no big deal." I'd have mad respect for that guy for being straight-up (don't mind the pun) instead of cowering for years and then pretending like he's ready to lead.

Though articulate Collins has never lead even going back to HS ...(he went to a rival school in the SF valley). Not saying his motives are selfish or if he is an attention whore ... but my guess he would not be their communities first choice . Funny thing is my cousin just remembered his prom date went to HS with Collins and dated one of them ...he is not sure of which one though ...
Let me come at this from another perspective not mentioned... (i dont think)
You want to live an alternate lifestyle? cool. Do you, be happy. Bible sin or not. Because heteros sin all the time.
But what I don't like is when a romp ranger hides his true self, sleeps with women to fit in ...but on the "down low" are smoking sausages and taking the Hershey highway ...

That is the part that is scary to me, not some dude, hittin' on me tbh ... but a chick thinking a dude is straight, messes with him and then passes on his cooties to some straight dude. Dat shit aint right.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Do Blake and Woo Bum-kon/Redzero rummage through Spurstalk for religion threads? Those faggots crusade to topple down Christianity on Spurstalk is hilarious. :lmao
Using the word "crusade" when trying to victimize Christianity is about as unintentionally hilarious as it gets, tbh.

[Chinook]

Though articulate Collins has never lead even going back to HS ...(he went to a rival school in the SF valley)
Funny thing is my cousin just remembered his prom date went to HS with Collins and dated one of them ...he is not sure of which one.
Let me come at this from another perspective not mentioned...
You want to live an alternate lifestyle cool. Do you, be happy. Bible sin or not. Because heteros sin all the time.
But what I don't like is when a romp ranger hides his true self, sleeps with women to fit in ...but on the "down low" are smoking sausages and taking the Hershey highway ...

That is the part that is scary to me, not some dude, hittin' on me tbh ... but a chick thinking a dude is straight messes with him and then passes on his cooties to some straight dude.

:lol You sound like Trill Clinton in the Kerry Rhodes thread.

Why is it that I wouldn't be as upset about dating a woman who lezzes out on the down-low...

[jag]

My excuse is that I'm inherently obsessed with logic and reasoning thus I can't help myself from shitting on religion at every opportunity.

Your logic and reasoning has led you to an obsession? Seems destructive.

[NASpurs]

Using the word "crusade" when trying to victimize Christianity is about as unintentionally hilarious as it gets, tbh.

That's the point bro. I picked my words on purpose.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Your logic and reasoning has led you to an obsession? Seems destructive.
It's a combination of that and how much Christianity has destroyed America, just in my lifetime.

I also am a big fan of defending people's civil rights, which inherently makes me hostile towards Christianity.

[Blake]

The priest who fingered your butthole did a number on you :lol

so you're trying to make fun of me for ripping on a religion that forgives child molesters?

That's not very hilarious.

[Chinook]

It's a combination of that and how much Christianity has destroyed America, just in my lifetime.

I also am a big fan of defending people's civil rights, which inherently makes me hostile towards Christianity.

Yet you attack Christians' civil rights...

You can replace Christians with Hispanics and you'd fit right in on Fox News.

[Killakobe81]

:lol You sound like Trill Clinton in the Kerry Rhodes thread.

Why is it that I wouldn't be as upset about dating a woman who lezzes out on the down-low...

That was meant to be tongue in cheek ... but seriously ... that is bit worrisome.
Of course you can be with a woman that experiments with a lez or cheats with some dude and have the same result, but I think you factor that risk.
But that woman who believes or wants to believe her man is straight is not only being lied to but being put at some considerable risk if their sex is unprotected.
All unprotected sex has risks but at least that women is anticipating that, not some other stuff ...just saying.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That's the point bro. I picked my words on purpose.
So lets see if I get this right...

When atheists crusade - They run around and argue about it on the internet
When Christians crusade - They go around with swords and murder anyone who doesn't convert to Christianity

Yup, atheists are the bad ones when it comes to crusading.

[Blake]

That's the point bro. I picked my words on purpose.

Gosh you're slick!

[Blake]

That's the point bro. I picked my words on purpose.

Gosh you're slick!

[NASpurs]

so you're trying to make fun of me for ripping on a religion that forgives child molesters?

That's not very hilarious.

You can be Christian and not be a fan of religion.

[Killakobe81]

And what is a Kerry Rhodes thread? NFL forum?

[jag]

It's a combination of that and how much Christianity has destroyed America, just in my lifetime.

I also am a big fan of defending people's civil rights, which inherently makes me hostile towards Christianity.

You sound just as extreme as the people you so passionately hate for their extremism. That's the irony of it all. There is nothing logical about an obsession rooted in hatred.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yet you attack Christians' civil rights...

You can replace Christians with Hispanics and you'd fit right in on Fox News.
Once again you're falsely equating someone's beliefs with someone's race/sexual orientation. Attacking someone for beliefs they choose is much different than attacking someone for the traits they're born with.

I would also love to hear how I'm infringing on the civil rights of Christians.

[NASpurs]

Gosh you're slick!

Thanks! I knew you would like it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You sound just as extreme as the people you so passionately hate for their extremism. That's the irony of it all. There is nothing logical about an obsession rooted in hatred.
What about what I've said is extreme? Be specific.

Apparently stuff I say on a message board makes me as extreme as people who blow up abortion clinics and protest funerals, tbh.

[Chinook]

That was meant to be tongue in cheek ... but seriously ... that is bit worrisome.
Of course you can be with a woman that experiments with a lez or cheats with some dude and have the same result, but I think you factor that risk.
But that woman who believes or wants to believe her man is straight is not only being lied to but being put at some considerable risk if their sex is unprotected.
All unprotected sex has risks but at least that women is anticipating that, not some other stuff ...just saying.

I was kidding with my comment as well. I wouldn't be okay with my girlfriend sleeping around on me with anyone. I was just playing with the double-standard a lot of guys have with homosexuality.

I agree about undercover relationships in general. They cause a lot of problems, and I am definitely not in the business of defending gay people who do it.

[NASpurs]

So lets see if I get this right...

When atheists crusade - They run around and argue about it on the internet
When Christians crusade - They go around with swords and murder anyone who doesn't convert to Christianity

Yup, atheists are the bad ones when it comes to crusading.

We all know people used Christianity as a tool for other gains than conversion. Thinking otherwise is funny. :lol

[Trill Clinton]

:lol You sound like Trill Clinton in the Kerry Rhodes thread.

Why is it that I wouldn't be as upset about dating a woman who lezzes out on the down-low...

:lol:wakeup

[Blake]

You can be Christian and not be a fan of religion.

I'm not a fan of a religion that forgives child molesters. In this case, that would be Christianity.

[Blake]

You can be Christian and not be a fan of religion.

I'm not a fan of a religion that forgives child molesters. In this case, that would be Christianity.

[jag]

What about what I've said is extreme? Be specific.

Are you asking me or are you asking yourself?


The difference is my extreme is a response to their extreme.

[Chinook]

Once again you're falsely equating someone's beliefs with someone's race/sexual orientation. Attacking someone for beliefs they choose is much different than attacking someone for the traits they're born with.

I would also love to hear how I'm infringing on the civil rights of Christians.

If what you say about the difference is true, then the 14th Amendment wouldn't protect against discrimination based on beliefs. This country sees religious freedom as a sacred right, and they thought so even before they protected race and sexual orientation.

You're infringing on Christians' rights as much as most of the people you're attacking are infringing on gay people's rights. Calling someone else stupid, misguided, evil, whatever, or saying that their belief system is bad is not an attack on civil rights, so neither or nor vocal anti-gay activists are doing anything wrong.

Voting against measures such as marriage is also not violating civil rights. If it were, we wouldn't vote on it in the first place. It's saying that anyone who votes against the legalization of marijuana is violating the pot-smokers' civil rights. We have a democratic process, and most people on both sides are using it.

[Killakobe81]

I was kidding with my comment as well. I wouldn't be okay with my girlfriend sleeping around on me with anyone. I was just playing with the double-standard a lot of guys have with homosexuality.

I agree about undercover relationships in general. They cause a lot of problems, and I am definitely not in the business of defending gay people who do it.

Just read his Kerry Rhodes and I dont agree with everything or the numbers though I have never really looked in to it (not a stats guy outside of sports either) ...
And No I dont think it should be a double standard if you cheat especially with no protection you put your partner at risk ...gay or straight.
But some women that have been burnt not only have those risks but also it really effs with their mind.
Where I agree with Trill is not that Jason needed to come out, but just dont get married, engaged or be intimate with women.
If you need an excuse to fit in, if you dont want to be outed ...play the religous card and say you are saving it for marriage ... until you are ready to be out the closet.
Sleeping with a woman for appearance sake while you pillow bitin' on the down low is reprehensible.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Are you asking me or are you asking yourself?
I was agreeing with what that post responded to for the hell of it.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you'll continue to dance around having to find something specific I said that's extreme.

[DPG21920]

It's a combination of that and how much Christianity has destroyed America, just in my lifetime.

I also am a big fan of defending people's civil rights, which inherently makes me hostile towards Christianity.

:lmao . "I just use the word be@ner & n*gger as terms of endearment!"

[Blake]

We all know people used Christianity as a tool for other gains than conversion. Thinking otherwise is funny. :lol

lol I see what you did there, implying that Jesus is a tool.

you slick wordsmith you

[Blake]

We all know people used Christianity as a tool for other gains than conversion. Thinking otherwise is funny. :lol

lol I see what you did there, implying that Jesus is a tool.

you slick wordsmith you

[Chinook]

Just read his Kerry Rhodes and I dont agree with everything or the numbers though I have never really looked in to it (not a stats guy outside of sports either) ...
And No I dont think it should be a double standard if you cheat especially with no protection you put your partner at risk ...gay or straight.
But some women that have been burnt not only have those risks but also it really effs with their mind.
Where I agree with Trill is not that Jason needed to come out, but just dont get married or be intimate.
If you need an excuse to fit in if you dont want to be outed ...play the religous card and say you are saving it for marraige until you are ready to be out the closet.
Sleeping with a woman for appearance sake while you pillow bitin' on the down low is reprhensible.

One of my closest friends from college is doing that right now. It's pretty funny, in a sad kind of way. I'm waiting how long it takes until he pulls a Te'o.

You saw what Collin's ex said. She spent years wondering what was wrong with her. For her, finding out he was gay later was sort of cathartic. I agree, though, gay people shouldn't involves others without their knowledge. It's not fair to them, and it takes away a lot of my sympathy for the gay people who do it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If what you say about the difference is true, then the 14th Amendment wouldn't protect against discrimination based on beliefs.
So by this logic I'd be discriminating if I owned a business and chose not to hire somebody for being a neo-nazi, correct?


country sees religious freedom as a sacred right, and they thought so even before they protected race and sexual orientation.
It also sees separation of Church and State as important.


infringing on Christians' rights as much as most of the people you're attacking are infringing on gay people's rights. Calling someone else stupid, misguided, evil, whatever, or saying that their belief system is bad is not an attack on civil rights, so neither or nor vocal anti-gay activists are doing anything wrong.
No, I'm not advocating laws that imply Christians should have to pay 60% more in taxes just for being Christian.


Voting against measures such as marriage is also not violating civil rights. If it were, we wouldn't vote on it in the first place. It's saying that anyone who votes against the legalization of marijuana is violating the pot-smokers' civil rights. We have a democratic process, and most people on both sides are using it.
I personally believe making drug consumption illegal is a violation of civil rights, people should be allowed to do whatever they want with their body.

[NASpurs]

I'm not a fan of a religion that forgives child molesters. In this case, that would be Christianity.

And Christianity is also supposed to forgive all types of sins, so what's your point?

The higherups covering it up is where it's fucked up, not so much the forgiving.

[NASpurs]

lol I see what you did there, implying that Jesus is a tool.

you slick wordsmith you

:lol look at this dude twisting words around, how cute

[jag]

I was agreeing with what that post responded to for the hell of it.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you'll continue to dance around having to find something specific I said that's extreme.

The fact that you've already admitted to being obsessed, obnoxious, condescending and extreme, should speak for itself.

[Trill Clinton]

Where I agree with Trill is not that Jason needed to come out, but just dont get married, engaged or be intimate with women.
If you need an excuse to fit in, if you dont want to be outed ...play the religous card and say you are saving it for marriage ... until you are ready to be out the closet.
Sleeping with a woman for appearance sake while you pillow bitin' on the down low is reprehensible.


:tu

[NASpurs]

Blake must have some kind of service that texts his phone when someone starts a religious thread here. Fucking loser. :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The fact that you've already admitted to being obsessed, obnoxious, condescending and extreme, should speak for itself.
2nd post now where you can't find specific context from me that's extreme. That should speak for itself :lol

[Killakobe81]

One of my closest friends from college is doing that right now. It's pretty funny, in a sad kind of way. I'm waiting how long it takes until he pulls a Te'o.

You saw what Collin's ex said. She spent years wondering what was wrong with her. For her, finding out he was gay later was sort of cathartic. I agree, though, gay people shouldn't involves others without their knowledge. It's not fair to them, and it takes away a lot of my sympathy for the gay people who do it.

But that is part of my point, she probably questioned her looks or her sexual prowess and yes that comes as a relief later but she had to deal with it then.
And yes, I think that is sad for your friend. The few gay guys I played sports with (track & hoops) (As far as I know) all waited for college to come out. Our HS sports teams was pretty homophobic ...
Too bad he could not find that support in college ...

So not to keep this all serious since we know at least 10% of most groups has someone LGBT ... how many post here and is anyone BRAVE enough to be the Jason Collins of this forum ...or will they wait until they are no longer an active poster?


Kidding ...

[Blake]

If what you say about the difference is true, then the 14th Amendment wouldn't protect against discrimination based on beliefs. This country sees religious freedom as a sacred right, and they thought so even before they protected race and sexual orientation.

You're infringing on Christians' rights as much as most of the people you're attacking are infringing on gay people's rights. Calling someone else stupid, misguided, evil, whatever, or saying that their belief system is bad is not an attack on civil rights, so neither or nor vocal anti-gay activists are doing anything wrong.

Voting against measures such as marriage is also not violating civil rights. If it were, we wouldn't vote on it in the first place. It's saying that anyone who votes against the legalization of marijuana is violating the pot-smokers' civil rights. We have a democratic process, and most people on both sides are using it.

the constitution has given us room to trample on basic human rights before. Nothing new.

[DPG21920]

DoK's go to jab of "Well, you can't be Christian AND support gay marriage" is silly. What he is showing through a lack of knowledge (which I am sure if we asked him, he's spent more time watching The Pats play than studying Christianity) is that he doesn't understand the fundamental principal of Christianity. Free will & choice. No where in the bible does it say we should judge others for their choices. It says God will judge them. It also says people have their own free will to believe or not. When you understand that, you can certainly see how one can "support" Gay marriage and still be a Christian.

My job as a Christian is not to judge or harm - that is not my responsibility. My role is to be a good person in accordance to the bible and leave the judging to God. I can support people's rights to make decisions on their own and still respect and care about them while maintaining my values. It's not like I'm donating money to force Gay marriage through. But I firmly believe they should be allowed to get married if they want and support the fact they are fully able to make their own decisions.

I'm not even what you would call a devout Christian (meaning I go to church every week or something like that), but that is what I have learned.

It would be like me saying someone can't be a big defender of Civil Rights while simultaneously calling people be@ners and n*ggers.

[I. Hustle]

I find it hilarious that a person with the name KillaBobe is having a more intelligent conversation than the person named Blake.

Blake: Christian crusades killed people!

Dude, it's 2013. Might as well hate all white people for enslaving blacks, jews and mexicans since you are lumping people together.

Sometimes you sound kind of smart Blake and other times...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

DoK's go to jab of "Well, you can't be Christian AND support gay marriage" is silly. What he is showing through a lack of knowledge (which I am sure if we asked him, he's spent more time watching The Pats play than studying Christianity) is that he doesn't understand the fundamental principal of Christianity. Free will & choice. No where in the bible does it say we should judge others for their choices. It says God will judge them. It also says people have their own free will to believe or not. When you understand that, you can certainly see how one can "support" Gay marriage and still be a Christian.

My job as a Christian is not to judge or harm - that is not my responsibility. My role is to be a good person in accordance to the bible and leave the judging to God. I can support people's rights to make decisions on their own and still respect and care about them while maintaining my values. It's not like I'm donating money to force Gay marriage through. But I firmly believe they should be allowed to get married if they want and support the fact they are fully able to make their own decisions.

I'm not even what you would call a devout Christian (meaning I go to church every week or something like that), but that is what I have learned.

It would be like me saying someone can't be a big defender of Civil Rights while simultaneously calling people be@ners and n*ggers.
If every Christian held those beliefs, I wouldn't have a problem with Christianity at all and wouldn't care. Unfortunately, most Christians in this country oppose gay marriage. The only reason why there's a sudden change of heart from politicians on the issue is because enough of generation Y can vote now and generation Y is considerably more atheist than any previous religion in America.

[Chinook]

So by this logic I'd be discriminating if I owned a business and chose not to hire somebody for being a neo-nazi, correct?

Yes. Especially if that didn't affect their work. Like if they didn't help minorities costumers or something, then that's one thing. But if they just hate non-Aryans and say nothing about it while at work, then you would be doing something wrong if you discriminated them.


It also sees separation of Church and State as important.

You do realize that the Establishment Clause (AKA the part of the Constitution that creates the separation) was made protect religion, and not to curtail it, right? Yes, the point of it is to keep the government from telling people what to believe, whether that is a majority religion or an atheistic view. It doesn't say that individuals can't use their religious beliefs when cast votes for initiatives.


No, I'm not advocating laws that imply Christians should have to pay 60% more in taxes just for being Christian.

I bet if you polled Christians you'd see that most of them don't wait to tax gay people more, either.


I personally believe making drug consumption illegal is a violation of civil rights, people should be allowed to do whatever they want with their body.

By definition, it's not a civil right until it gets accepted into government. It's a natural right, perhaps, which is a different story. The reason why the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s wasn't under the same restriction is because the 14th Amendment had already given black people entitlement to the rights they were seeking. Abolition was not a civil-rights struggle, because blacks hadn't yet been given civil rights.

Where this applies to gay marriage is that marriage isn't a natural right, just like voting isn't. So there isn't technically a civil right to be protected yet. We have to grant it by voting for it. If gay marriage were legalized, but some agency failed to recognize it, THEN it would be a denial of civil rights. Simply protesting a change of law is perfectly inline with civil code.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Oh, okay. When God talked about all those people he wanted dead, he didn't mean he wanted his followers to kill them.

When God said to bring unruly children to the edge of town and stone them to death, he actually meant that he would be the one doing the stoning.

When God said to slaughter an entire city and take the young girls as captives, he actually meant that he would destroy the cities and take sex slaves.

It all makes so much sense now.

[Blake]

And Christianity is also supposed to forgive all types of sins, so what's your point?

That I'm not a fan of the religion of christianity.


The higherups covering it up is where it's fucked up, not so much the forgiving.

No, you forgiving a child molester is just as fucked up as covering it, if not more so.

[Chinook]

the constitution has given us room to trample on basic human rights before. Nothing new.

I just posted a response to a similar observation. I don't know if DoK's critique is the same as yours, though.

[Blake]

I find it hilarious that a person with the name KillaBobe is having a more intelligent conversation than the person named Blake.

Blake: Christian crusades killed people!

Dude, it's 2013. Might as well hate all white people for enslaving blacks, jews and mexicans since you are lumping people together.

Sometimes you sound kind of smart Blake and other times...

Nobody is born Christian. It's a choice.

You don't sound smart at all here.

[NASpurs]

That I'm not a fan of the religion of christianity.



No, you forgiving a child molester is just as fucked up as covering it, if not more so.

So forgiveness is where your problem with Christianity lies?!?! That's a pathetic excuse to hate something.

So who should be despised more, the people who *forgives* the molester or the person who molests?

[Killakobe81]

DoK's go to jab of "Well, you can't be Christian AND support gay marriage" is silly. What he is showing through a lack of knowledge (which I am sure if we asked him, he's spent more time watching The Pats play than studying Christianity) is that he doesn't understand the fundamental principal of Christianity. Free will & choice. No where in the bible does it say we should judge others for their choices. It says God will judge them. It also says people have their own free will to believe or not. When you understand that, you can certainly see how one can "support" Gay marriage and still be a Christian.

My job as a Christian is not to judge or harm - that is not my responsibility. My role is to be a good person in accordance to the bible and leave the judging to God. I can support people's rights to make decisions on their own and still respect and care about them while maintaining my values. It's not like I'm donating money to force Gay marriage through. But I firmly believe they should be allowed to get married if they want and support the fact they are fully able to make their own decisions.

I'm not even what you would call a devout Christian (meaning I go to church every week or something like that), but that is what I have learned.

It would be like me saying someone can't be a big defender of Civil Rights while simultaneously calling people be@ners and n*ggers.

Great post DPG that is why you my huckleberry ...
And I dont pretend to know all of DOK's views on the subject ... but I dont get why people have an issue with DOK's views on SOME Christians thoughts on same sex unions or Broussard's interpretation of the bible.You just said what YOU learned about faith and Christianity, even though my beliefs are closer to yours ... I have HEARD plenty of Christians share views similar to Broussard. and are adamantly against gay rights including marriage. Remember marriage is supposed to be a "holy union" and plenty of christians feel that same sex marriage directly opposes the sanctity of marriage.

The bible has many interpretations. Sevent Day Adventists focus on Sabbath, same book diffrent emphasis. And I have attended many churches I typically go where my women have led me so I have attended Catholic service, Kingdom Hall and Baptist Methodist and non -denominational. Some consider hompsexuality an abomination others are more open.

Tough to paint Christians with a broad stroke tbh ... that is wher I think DOk is a bit misguided but some extremists fit what he says. Again did not read all of his posts ...

[Woo Bum-kon]

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Wow, DPG is so right! Look at all those passages where God didn't tell his followers to kill people! Not once in the Bible, indeed.

[jag]

2nd post now where you can't find specific context from me that's extreme. That should speak for itself :lol

Maybe I'm wrong relative to what you consider moderate behavior. That would of course require you to display this type of obsessive behavior on a regular basis. If that's the case, I can't help but wonder to what degree your reasoning and judgement has been clouded by your chronic obsessive hatred.

[ambchang]

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/jason-collins-former-fiancee-carolyn-moos-had-no-170001023.html

Didn't Jefferson break off his marriage as well? Makes you wonder.

[Chinook]

But that is part of my point, she probably questioned her looks or her sexual prowess and yes that comes as a relief later but she had to deal with it then.
And yes, I think that is sad for your friend. The few gay guys I played sports with (track & hoops) (As far as I know) all waited for college to come out. Our HS sports teams was pretty homophobic ...
Too bad he could not find that support in college ...

So not to keep this all serious since we know at least 10% of most groups has someone LGBT ... how many post here and is anyone BRAVE enough to be the Jason Collins of this forum ...or will they wait until they are no longer an active poster?


Kidding ...

Oh he would have had plenty of support here in Philly. He used to hang out with the LGBT community for "research." It's back in rural Texas that he'd have issues. We've never really spoken about it, as I don't think it's that big of a deal. He's sort of a fake bible-thumper, though, which as an extra wrinkle of irony.

I was agreeing with you on the effect down-low relationships could have by citing Collins' ex. It's good that she feels better now, but Collins' was a punk (not pun intended) for making her feel that way in the first place with his lie.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yes. Especially if that didn't affect their work. Like if they didn't help minorities costumers or something, then that's one thing. But if they just hate non-Aryans and say nothing about it while at work, then you would be doing something wrong if you discriminated them.
:lmao saying I'd be wrong if I didn't hire Nazis.


You do realize that the Establishment Clause (AKA the part of the Constitution that creates the separation) was made protect religion, and not to curtail it, right? Yes, the point of it is to keep the government from telling people what to believe, whether that is a majority religion or an atheistic view. It doesn't say that individuals can't use their religious beliefs when cast votes for initiatives.
This post is how I know you're a jeebotard. Separation of Church and State was created by secular founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson who warned against Christianity growing in America.


I bet if you polled Christians you'd see that most of them don't wait to tax gay people more, either.
Most Christians oppose gay marriage, thus most Christians support higher taxes for gay couples. Opposing gay marriage is inherently believing gays should be taxed more.


By definition, it's not a civil right until it gets accepted into government. It's a natural right, perhaps, which is a different story. The reason why the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s wasn't under the same restriction is because the 14th Amendment had already given black people entitlement to the rights they were seeking. Abolition was not a civil-rights struggle, because blacks hadn't yet been given civil rights.

Where this applies to gay marriage is that marriage isn't a natural right, just like voting isn't. So there isn't technically a civil right to be protected yet. We have to grant it by voting for it. If gay marriage were legalized, but some agency failed to recognize it, THEN it would be a denial of civil rights. Simply protesting a change of law is perfectly inline with civil code.
This is such bullshit. Civil rights aren't granted based off what the American people vote on. If they were, we'd still have segregated public schools because the only thing that stopped that was Brown v. Board of Education going against the majority opinion because segregation was unconstitutional. What is/isn't a civil right according to the constitution is a never ending discussion and it's not decided by which side has a simple majority. If it was, the state of Mississippi would still have legal slavery.

Saying abolition wasn't a civil rights struggle might be one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Maybe I'm wrong relative to what you consider moderate behavior. That would of course require you to display this type of obsessive behavior on a regular basis. If that's the case, I can't help but wonder to what degree your reasoning and judgement has been clouded by your chronic obsessive hatred.
:lmao my reasoning and judgement is clouded because I don't believe in a magical man in the sky

[Gay Robot]

So not to keep this all serious since we know at least 10% of most groups has someone LGBT ... how many post here and is anyone BRAVE enough to be the Jason Collins of this forum ...or will they wait until they are no longer an active poster?





I'll be your Jason Collins!!

[jag]

:lmao my reasoning and judgement is clouded because I don't believe in a magical man in the sky

Your continued use of straw man arguments isn't very logical. I expect more from you.

[Blake]

I just posted a response to a similar observation. I don't know if DoK's critique is the same as yours, though.

yeah, I'm avoiding the tldr posts. Sorry.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Your continued use of straw man arguments isn't very logical. I expect more from you.
I felt like using an inflammatory strawman since you're incapable of finding specific context from me that's extreme.

After that I'd love to hear how my logic and judgement is clouded.

[Killakobe81]

I'll be your Jason Collins!!

You wont be "mine" :lol

But Im willing to be your agent.

I will get you a cover story with ESPN THE MAG ... (SI has been done)
An interview with Bill simmons ...
A spot on the Today show ...
A book deal ...
OXygen movie deal ...
And you will grand marshal the BAY area LGBT PRIDE parade ...

You in?:rollin

[Gay Robot]

You wont be "mine" :lol

But Im willing to be your agent.

I will get you a cover story with ESPN THE MAG ... (SI has been done)
An interview with Bill simmons ...
A spot on the Today show ...
A book deal ...
OXygen movie deal ...
And you will grand marshal the BAY area LGBT PRIDE parade ...

You in?:rollin

Oh, you'll know when I'm in. I prefer you to be in though.

[Pelicans78]

DoK's go to jab of "Well, you can't be Christian AND support gay marriage" is silly. What he is showing through a lack of knowledge (which I am sure if we asked him, he's spent more time watching The Pats play than studying Christianity) is that he doesn't understand the fundamental principal of Christianity. Free will & choice. No where in the bible does it say we should judge others for their choices. It says God will judge them. It also says people have their own free will to believe or not. When you understand that, you can certainly see how one can "support" Gay marriage and still be a Christian.

My job as a Christian is not to judge or harm - that is not my responsibility. My role is to be a good person in accordance to the bible and leave the judging to God. I can support people's rights to make decisions on their own and still respect and care about them while maintaining my values. It's not like I'm donating money to force Gay marriage through. But I firmly believe they should be allowed to get married if they want and support the fact they are fully able to make their own decisions.

I'm not even what you would call a devout Christian (meaning I go to church every week or something like that), but that is what I have learned.

It would be like me saying someone can't be a big defender of Civil Rights while simultaneously calling people be@ners and n*ggers.

That's your intrepretation of Christianity. Doesn't mean that's what the actual intrepretation. It can be intrepreted many different ways. But you make a great point overall. I do think that supporting gay marriage in this country is not a big deal regardless of religion because this constitution is not based on any religious laws. This is about a free society based on the constitution so there's not a reason why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

[Chinook]

This post is how I know you're a jeebotard. Separation of Church and State was created by

Did you forget to finish that line? And no, I'm still not any more Christian than I was before.


Most Christians oppose gay marriage, thus most Christians support higher taxes for gay couples. Opposing gay marriage is inherently believing gays should be taxed more.

Again, that's a false assumption. I don't think most Christians care enough either way. And opposing gay marriage doesn't inherently mean that one believes gay couples shouldn't have the same civil rights.


This is such bullshit. Civil rights aren't granted based off what the American people vote on. If they were, we'd still have segregated public schools because the only thing that stopped that was Brown v. Board of Education going against the majority opinion because segregation was unconstitutional. What is/isn't a civil right according to the constitution is a never ending discussion and it's not decided by which side has a simple majority. If it was, the state of Mississippi would still have legal slavery.

Saying abolition wasn't a civil rights struggle might be one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.

The courts upheld the 14th Amendment when the desegregated the schools. We had already voted for it, so we didn't need to do it again. That's how the Supreme Court works. It interprets our Constitution to see what rights it grants us. It doesn't just make up new ones. So the courts are there to see which civil rights were being violated in every case.

When the Supreme Court says gay marriage is legal, then we don't have to try to vote on it all the time, because we would have already voted for the rights used to legalize gay marriage. Until then, voting against it is not doing anything against the Constitution and is therefore not a matter of attacking civil rights. Essentially, a court case is someone saying their civil rights have been violated, and the court looks to see if that's the case. If they rule against the person, they are claiming that the person's didn't have a right to whatever they lost.

Abolition WASN'T a civil-rights struggle. Black people DIDN'T have civil rights until after the 13-15th amendments were passed. That's why the government had to pass new amendments to the Constitution in the first place. Now if, by saying that it wasn't a "civil-rights struggle", you think I meant that it wasn't a struggle to get civil rights, then that's one thing. It was that. But it wasn't a struggle to enforce already present civil rights.

[Chinook]

yeah, I'm avoiding the tldr posts. Sorry.

That's fine. Pretty much said that rights theory is really complicated and people often mix up when rights are being violated or not.

[Killakobe81]

Oh, you'll know when I'm in. I prefer you to be in though.

:lol

Collins would like to discuss the "ins and outs" with you ...
Me? I just want you for the money to be made ...

[Blake]

So forgiveness is where your problem with Christianity lies?!?! That's a pathetic excuse to hate something.

So who should be despised more, the people who *forgives* the molester or the person who molests?

Forgiveness is part of the many logical fallacies of Christianity.

I don't really hate Christianity itself any more than I hate Santa Claus. But if people tried to tell me I need to believe in Santa and that Santa thinks gays should be executed, then I would direct my hate towards Santa as well.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Did you forget to finish that line? And no, I'm still not any more Christian than I was before.
My computer is fucking up. I'd bet money that you're a Christian who's saying you're not a Christian to improve your credibility as an unbiased observer. It's a trick I've seen countless times.


Again, that's a false assumption. I don't think most Christians care enough either way. And opposing gay marriage doesn't inherently mean that one believes gay couples shouldn't have the same civil rights.
Opposing gay marriage means you oppose gay couples being able to file their tax return jointly which means you support gay couples paying up to 60% more in taxes than straight couples. These are simple facts.



The courts upheld the 14th Amendment when the desegregated the schools. We had already voted for it, so we didn't need to do it again. That's how the Supreme Court works. It interprets our Constitution to see what rights it grants us. It doesn't just make up new ones. So the courts are there to see which civil rights were being violated in every case.

When the Supreme Court says gay marriage is legal, then we don't have to try to vote on it all the time, because we would have already voted on it. Until then, voting against it is not doing anything against the Constitution and is therefore not a matter of attacking civil rights. Essentially, a court case is someone saying their civil rights have been violated, and the court looks to see if that's the case. If they rule against the person, they are claiming that the person's didn't have a right to whatever they lost.

Abolition WASN'T a civil-rights struggle. Black people DIDN'T have civil rights until after the 13-15th amendments were passed. That's why the government had to pass new amendments to the Constitution in the first place. Now if, by saying that it wasn't a "civil-rights struggle", you think I meant that it wasn't a struggle to get civil rights, then that's one thing. It was that. But it wasn't a struggle to enforce already present civil rights.
:lmao when has a civil rights struggle ever been about "enforcing already present civil rights", it's always been about when someone is getting civil rights. 20 years from now, we'll be referring to this time as the civil rights movement for gay people and I'll be able to laugh at all the dumbshits who had an epiphany sometime during this period and flip flopped on the issue.

[DPG21920]

What about what I've said is extreme? Be specific.

Apparently stuff I say on a message board makes me as extreme as people who blow up abortion clinics and protest funerals, tbh.

I can find something extreme you said. You said you're a big defender of civil rights. That's extremely funny.

[Blake]

DoK's go to jab of "Well, you can't be Christian AND support gay marriage" is silly. What he is showing through a lack of knowledge.

Fundamentally, you can't.

If you want to disregard direct orders from God to kill the gays, that's fine, but then what's the point of being a Christian?

[I. Hustle]

Nobody is born Christian. It's a choice.

You don't sound smart at all here.

That didn't have anything to do with what I said.

You are lumping together a group and hating them based on crusades from hundreds of years ago (by catholics and their pope) and people like the Westboro peeps with others who don't believe the way they do. Regardless of them being born that way or choosing to believe that way you still have no idea what you are talking about.
Speaking about choices, you have the choise to not talk about things that you really don't know about.

[DPG21920]

My computer is fucking up. I'd bet money that you're a Christian who's saying you're not a Christian to improve your credibility as an unbiased observer. It's a trick I've seen countless times.


Opposing gay marriage means you oppose gay couples being able to file their tax return jointly which means you support gay couples paying up to 60% more in taxes than straight couples. These are simple facts.

.

:lmao what the hell. Paranoid.

[Killakobe81]

My computer is fucking up. I'd bet money that you're a Christian who's saying you're not a Christian to improve your credibility as an unbiased observer. It's a trick I've seen countless times.


Opposing gay marriage means you oppose gay couples being able to file their tax return jointly which means you support gay couples paying up to 60% more in taxes than straight couples. These are simple facts.



:lmao when has a civil rights struggle ever been about "enforcing already present civil rights", it's always been about when someone is getting civil rights. 20 years from now, we'll be referring to this time as the civil rights movement for gay people and I'll be able to laugh at all the dumbshits who had an epiphany sometime during this period and flip flopped on the issue.

I kinda get SOME of what you are expressing. But if a Christian believes with ever fiber of their being that sam-sex marriage is a sin, how could they NOT vote against it?
Maybe you are right some day we may look at this different, but I dont have an issue with someone that votes based on their religous morals ...is that any worse that someone that votes based strictly on part lines or selfish financial reasons instead of the greater good?

[Killakobe81]

Fundamentally, you can't.

If you want to disregard direct orders from God to kill the gays, that's fine, but then what's the point of being a Christian?

Direct orders? Where is that part? would be interesting to discuss ...

[I. Hustle]

Forgiveness is part of the many logical fallacies of Christianity.

I don't really hate Christianity itself any more than I hate Santa Claus. But if people tried to tell me I need to believe in Santa and that Santa thinks gays should be executed, then I would direct my hate towards Santa as well.

Again, you assume that ALL Christians believe that way.

[jag]

I felt like using an inflammatory strawman since you're incapable of finding specific context from me that's extreme.

After that I'd love to hear how my logic and judgement is clouded.

I have already addressed both of these things.


Maybe I'm wrong relative to what you consider moderate behavior. That would of course require you to display this type of obsessive behavior on a regular basis. If that's the case, I can't help but wonder to what degree your reasoning and judgement has been clouded by your chronic obsessive hatred.

I'm not sure what direction you're trying to go here. You admit to being extreme and obsessive then retract your statements and ask me to provide evidence. You clamor on about certain religious groups and challenge people to logically attack your arguments, all while you continue to make intentionally illogical arguments.


If you think this type of obsession rooted in hatred is moderate behavior then so be it. If you don't think you're obsessed then so be it.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Again, you assume that ALL Christians believe that way.

No, only the intellectually consistent do.

[Chinook]

My computer is fucking up. I'd bet money that you're a Christian who's saying you're not a Christian to improve your credibility as an unbiased observer. It's a trick I've seen countless times.

No. I have a semi-fundie father, so I had my fill of Christianity really early. I don't really have many Christian friends, other than the one I mentioned upthread that's trying to belief his way to heterosexuality. I am a theist, though, and I believe therefore in religious freedom. I'm a deist, so I am a functional atheist when it comes to most extensions of religion. I don't believe in things like prayer or good and evil. I still celebrate Christmas with my family and like to hear the songs, but I don't into a fervor over them. They're just songs expressing culture, and I find that interesting.


Opposing gay marriage means you oppose gay couples being able to file their tax return jointly which means you support gay couples paying up to 60% more in taxes than straight couples. These are simple facts.

I don't think so. That's why it's such a murky issue. Civil Unions seem to get shot down by gay people, not by religious folks. They claim it's about using the word. Who knows for sure. Different people take different stances. Some are bigots, others just believe in the sanctity of marriage, whatever that means. That's why there needs to be a discussion so everyone can see where the issues are.


:lmao when has a civil rights struggle ever been about "enforcing already present civil rights", it's always been about when someone is getting civil rights. 20 years from now, we'll be referring to this time as the civil rights movement for gay people and I'll be able to laugh at all the dumbshits who had an epiphany sometime during this period and flip flopped on the issue.

Every civil rights case that ends with a court ruling or enforcement law and not a constitutional amendment is one enforces already existent rights. Do you not understand the Civil Rights Movement at all. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 didn't give black people rights, they just added enforcement to the rights already granted by the amendments. Black people HAD the right to vote after the 15th Amendment was passed. Jim Crow just denied it to them.

People are calling this a civil rights movement now, and it's inappropriate. There was a gay civil rights movement already. This is something else. I support it, because I don't think anyone has the authority to tell anyone else who they can marry, so long as they're consenting adults. But that's not because anyone has a civil right to it.

[z0sa]

DoK calling himself a civil right activist is the highlight of this thread and maybe his posting career :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I have already addressed both of these things.



I'm not sure what direction you're trying to go here. You admit to being extreme and obsessive then retract your statements and ask me to provide evidence. You clamor on about certain religious groups and challenge people to logically attack your arguments, all while you continue to make intentionally illogical arguments.


If you think this type of obsession rooted in hatred is moderate behavior then so be it. If you don't think you're obsessed then so be it.
I admit I'm obsessed with shitting on religion and I'm obnoxious towards it, you can argue the obsession itself is extreme but none of my specific views are that extreme imo. It's not like I'm advocating Churches should be forced to hold a marriage ceremony for gay couples.

I've also said I wouldn't be so obsessed with it if it didn't have such a strong influence on policy. Gay marriage opposition isn't even the most bothersome part of Christianity to me, climate change is.

[ElNono]

Theism and religion aren't the same thing. Theism hinges on a premise; it doesn't propose any different explanation beyond that premise.

They both hinge on the same non-scientific premise: the deity. Scientifically speaking, their value is garbage and it's a showstopper to address the actual logical conclusion ("more scientific research on this area is needed").

I personally recognize that religion can be a psychological crutch that in some instances help people. Be it through fear ("god is punishing you for doing X"), intimidation (the whole what you do will land you in 'paradise'/'hell' ), etc, for some people it works.

As such a tool, I think there's some usefulness there.

[Blake]

That didn't have anything to do with what I said.

You are lumping together a group and hating them based on crusades from hundreds of years ago (by catholics and their pope) and people like the Westboro peeps with others who don't believe the way they do. Regardless of them being born that way or choosing to believe that way you still have no idea what you are talking about.
Speaking about choices, you have the choise to not talk about things that you really don't know about.

You're the one that compared religion to race.

I'm well aware that Christians like to pick out the feel good parts of the Bible and ignore the "bear eats kids for making fun of bald prophet" parts.

[DPG21920]

DoK: you're a relatively smart guy. You honestly don't see how your opinion might be cloudy when self-admittedly say you passionately hate something? Being obnoxious aside (which is ironic because bible thumpers are obnoxious & you hate them), when you hate something so much in addition to having a lack of knowledge (I might just be making assumptions, but I doubt you have really studied or been a part of Christianity) you come off sounding just like those you hate. It's like SA210 hijacked your account with the links to things like evil bible.com and with random accusations of people lying to gain favor. If you stepped back and saw someone arguing like you are about a different topic you'd smash them.

Not only that - you hate minorities (from what most would gather), yet you claim to be into civil rights. This all makes little sense.

[Blake]

Direct orders? Where is that part? would be interesting to discuss ...

Pretty sure this is the second time I've posted this here:

Leviticus 20

13*If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an*abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their*blood*shall be upon them.

[Ricky Davis]

I'm really happy for Jason Collins. He's a hero to a lot of people and his courage is inspiring.

Hopefully one day this won't be such a big deal.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/130429024012-jason-collins-profile-single-image-cut.jpg

[AaronY]

Pretty sure this is the second time I've posted this here:

Leviticus 20

13*If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an*abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their*blood*shall be upon them.
Lets not start posting all the retarded shit in the bible..well be here all day.

[AaronY]

Favorite bible quote is #4 here: http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

3 is great too

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

DoK: you're a relatively smart guy. You honestly don't see how your opinion might be cloudy when self-admittedly say you passionately hate something? Being obnoxious aside (which is ironic because bible thumpers are obnoxious & you hate them), when you hate something so much in addition to having a lack of knowledge (I might just be making assumptions, but I doubt you have really studied or been a part of Christianity) you come off sounding just like those you hate.
My hatred towards Christianity stems from the effect it has had on society and more specifically America during my lifetime, regardless of the actual religion itself and what its intent is. One reason why I ridicule it so much and scoff it is because from what I've read about Jesus, modern day Christianity is a total bastardization of his teachings. I highly doubt Jesus would have any kind of issue with gay marriage or vote for "Christians" like Ronald Reagan and George Bush.

I think Judaism and Islam are perhaps even more backwards than Christianity, but you don't see me complaining about them because they little to no effect on America's values and beliefs.


Not only that - you hate minorities (from what most would gather), yet you claim to be into civil rights. This all makes little sense.
My use of racial slurs indicates it, however whottt you said about me being against affirmative action and shit wasn't true. My opinion towards affirmative action is that it should be expanded to cover any race/gender based completely off financial need.

[NASpurs]

One reason why I ridicule it so much and scoff it is because from what I've read about Jesus, modern day Christianity is a total bastardization of his teachings. I highly doubt Jesus would have any kind of issue with gay marriage or vote for "Christians" like Ronald Reagan and George Bush.


That's cool with me personally. I'm a Christian and I feel the same way. I'm a spiritual Christian but not religious because it's been tainted beyond the teachings of Jesus for the personal gain of the Church and people in power. Even my father who was a priest isn't religious anymore. He's a devout Christian (spiritually) but not religious.

[Trill Clinton]

Pretty sure this is the second time I've posted this here:

Leviticus 20

13*If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an*abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their*blood*shall be upon them.


where is the direct order from God in that verse that he wants christians to kill sinners? God is the ultimate judge, not man. god isn't responsible for our free will choices, but we will pay the penalty for them because sin( in this case homosexuality) has its consequences. i pray when that day comes, the blood that is upon them is the blood of jesus, amen.

[AaronY]

Lawlz, The Lord ordered little kids dead for making fun of bald people (dead srs http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm) in the bible..I'm sure he wants you to burn Fags too, so get to work true believer

[jag]

where is the direct order from God in that verse that he wants christians to kill sinners? God is the ultimate judge, not man. god isn't responsible for our free will choices, but we will pay the penalty for them because sin( in this case homosexuality) has its consequences. i pray when that day comes, the blood that is upon them is the blood of jesus, amen.

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[ElNono]

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:lol

[AaronY]

More fun Bible quotes:

Kill everyone in a city if just one of its inhabitants is promoting a different religion:

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Stone any non-virgin who tries to get married:

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

i can't even understand the logic behind this one might need a bible scholar to help me..they're moving the ark of the covenant and its wobbling and about to fall over, so a guy tries to help out and grab it to hold it steady..God burns him to ash lol

The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals. When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB) lol pouty lol phaggot..tantruming because he didn't get his way

[DPG21920]

Ugly sight when GNSF tries to fit in.

[Trill Clinton]

Lawlz, The Lord ordered little kids dead for making fun of bald people (dead srs http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm) in the bible..I'm sure he wants you to burn Fags too, so get to work true believer

okay, i will first start with you. i will burn the sin from your flesh and hope you turn from your homosexual ways, amen.

[AaronY]

Lol personal attacks..naturally

[I. Hustle]

"Ugh, why can't Christians just accept that everyone is different?! They are so stupid for not believing like me!"


LOL

[I. Hustle]

oh

/thread

[DPG21920]

Lol trying so hard

[DPG21920]

Aaron - just be yourself and you will be bolded

[midnightpulp]

DoK: you're a relatively smart guy. You honestly don't see how your opinion might be cloudy when self-admittedly say you passionately hate something? Being obnoxious aside (which is ironic because bible thumpers are obnoxious & you hate them), when you hate something so much in addition to having a lack of knowledge (I might just be making assumptions, but I doubt you have really studied or been a part of Christianity) you come off sounding just like those you hate. It's like SA210 hijacked your account with the links to things like evil bible.com and with random accusations of people lying to gain favor. If you stepped back and saw someone arguing like you are about a different topic you'd smash them.

Not only that - you hate minorities (from what most would gather), yet you claim to be into civil rights. This all makes little sense.

I think DoK just hates dem illegals, because much like he feels that Christianity influences policy for the worst, he also feels the ever growing illegal alien demographic is influencing policy for the worst, with how politicians are shamelessly pandering to them for easy votes.

[AaronY]

Lol trying so hard
Itt I made about 8 low brow dick jokes and then copypasta'd a bunch of religious rants and bible quotes..if anything my posts were lazy and half-assed to be totally honest

[Blake]

Lets not start posting all the retarded shit in the bible..well be here all day.

You just couldn't help yourself, could you. I know, I've been there.

It's like Avante. He's retarded, but I can't help but talk to him. It's just too crazy funny to ignore altogether.

[Trill Clinton]

again, true christians, christians who understand the word of God(not the westboro baptist church) do not judge others. we understand the ultimate judge is God. homosexuals are free to live their lives as they wish but at some point in time, they will have to answer to God's judgement. i am in no position to tell a man/woman how they should or shouldn't live their life...i think most christians feel the same way.

[AaronY]

Blake likes me! I'm fitting in! I'm fitting in! Woohoo!!!

[I. Hustle]

Trill... you forgot to logout and log back in as Angel_luv

[Blake]

again, true christians, christians who understand the word of God(not the westboro baptist church) do not judge others. we understand the ultimate judge is God. homosexuals are free to live their lives as they wish but at some point in time, they will have to answer to God's judgement. i am in no position to tell a man/woman how they should or shouldn't live their life...i think most christians feel the same way.

God already judged the gay. He said they were an abomination and must be killed.

What part of this is hard for you to grasp?

[NASpurs]

again, true christians, christians who understand the word of God(not the westboro baptist church) do not judge others. we understand the ultimate judge is God. homosexuals are free to live their lives as they wish but at some point in time, they will have to answer to God's judgement. i am in no position to tell a man/woman how they should or shouldn't live their life...i think most christians feel the same way.

But... but... their argument is that the Westboro followers are the true Christians because they follow the Bible to the literal word! And those of us who are more open minded Christans are less "Christian" because we nitpick the good parts of the Bible and avoid the bad.

:cry :cry wah...

[Blake]

But... but... their argument is that the Westboro followers are the true Christians because they follow the Bible to the literal word! And those of us who are more open minded Christans are less "Christian" because we nitpick the good parts of the Bible and avoid the bad.

:cry :cry wah...

why do you think you're more of a Christian for avoiding the bad parts?

Serious question.

[DPG21920]

Blake. You just said Christians had explicit direct orders to kill gays & your passage absolutely didnt say that. It's not avoiding the bad parts - it's knowing that its not we who do the judging.

[DPG21920]

Blake likes me! I'm fitting in! I'm fitting in! Woohoo!!!

Not a good thing tbh. Be yourself. Develop your sense of humor & originality. Those things are big deciding factors on who gets bolded.

[Blake]

Blake. You just said Christians had explicit direct orders to kill gays & your passage absolutely didnt say that. It's not avoiding the bad parts - it's knowing that its not we who do the judging.

Is there a language translation problem here? I don't understand why this is difficult to comprehend.

God judged and said the gay is an abomination. What do you think "they shall surely be put to death" means?

[DemonLuv]

Stop Blake

you're making me wet.

[NASpurs]

why do you think you're more of a Christian for avoiding the bad parts?

Serious question.

Yeah, you don't seem to understand that us more open minded individuals follow more the teachings of Jesus and his way of thinking than anything else. I really doubt Jesus would approve of the flak that homosexuals get, would approve of going to wars in his name and approve of the state of the Church today. I'm not trying to sound like I'm preaching but it's more of a state of mind. "Love your neighbor as yourself". This involves... wait for it... another wordsmith moment... evolving with the times if we're truly going to love one another.

[AaronY]

Lawlz..dpg with the spurstalk guidance counselor schtick..does anyone fall for this nonsense?

[DPG21920]

Is there a language translation problem here? I don't understand why this is difficult to comprehend.

God judged and said the gay is an abomination. What do you think "they shall surely be put to death" means?

No no no buddy. You said there were clear explicit & direct orders for people to kill. No where in there does it say I should kill a gay person if I'm a believer.

[Blake]

Not a good thing tbh. Be yourself. Develop your sense of humor & originality. Those things are big deciding factors on who gets bolded.

DPG works in the Spurstalk HR department. If anyone were to know these things, it would be him.

[Blake]

No no no buddy. You said there were clear explicit & direct orders for people to kill. No where in there does it say I should kill a gay person if I'm a believer.

Leviticus quotes God on his laws.

He says to kill gays.

God killed gays himself.

These are facts and cannot be disputed.

But keep trying. :tu

[NASpurs]

Why do people always bring Old Testament laws when trying to talk with Christians? Jesus died on the cross and that ended the things concerning old Israeli laws.

[Blake]

Yeah, you don't seem to understand that us more open minded individuals follow more the teachings of Jesus and his way of thinking than anything else. I really doubt Jesus would approve of the flak that homosexuals get, would approve of going to wars in his name and approve of the state of the Church today. I'm not trying to sound like I'm preaching but it's more of a state of mind. "Love your neighbor as yourself". This involves... wait for it... another wordsmith moment... evolving with the times if we're truly going to love one another.

Where was Jesus when God was lighting up Sodom and Gomorrah?

Jesus was lying when he said he is the alpha and omega then. Total beta move to not talk back to his daddy.

[AaronY]

DPG works in the Spurstalk HR department. If anyone were to know these things, it would be him.
I'm actually impressed with Dpg in one respect..he has a tremendous ability to pull into his little self-absorbed vortex..it's like if a ship is going along and it comes across a planet with like the gravity of fifty earths, and its sucks the ship and locks it in...he had that Mavs>spurs locked in orbit for a while..he holds them there like satellites..I've seen guys go into threads to talk about like music or how they like their hamburgers or whatever and then they get sucked into three page back and forth dance with the guy...I'm not even kidding when I say it's impressive

[Blake]

Why do people always bring Old Testament laws when trying to talk with Christians? Jesus died on the cross and that ended the things concerning old Israeli laws.

Because Christians worship that same God that made those laws.

[Blake]

I'm actually impressed with Dpg in one respect..he has a tremendous ability to pull into his little self-absorbed vortex..it's like if a ship is going along and it comes across a planet with like the gravity of fifty earths, and its sucks the ship and locks it in...he had that Mavs>spurs locked in orbit for a while..he holds them there like satellites..I've seen guys go into threads to talk about like music or how they like their hamburgers or whatever and then they get sucked into three page back and forth dance with the guy...I'm not even kidding when I say it's impressive

I usually suck people in for one or two pages. Maybe if I get original, I can reach the 3-4 page mark on a more consistent basis.

[Koolaid_Man]

I'm actually impressed with Dpg in one respect..he has a tremendous ability to pull into his little self-absorbed vortex..it's like if a ship is going along and it comes across a planet with like the gravity of fifty earths, and its sucks the ship and locks it in...he had that Mavs>spurs locked in orbit for a while..he holds them there like satellites..I've seen guys go into threads to talk about like music or how they like their hamburgers or whatever and then they get sucked into three page back and forth dance with the guy...I'm not even kidding when I say it's impressive

^ it's Napoleon Syndrome / Complex

[NASpurs]

Because Christians worship that same God that made those laws.

Since you like to quote scriptures:

Galatians 6:2


2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.




The law of Christ is different from the Jewish laws.