Jason Collins comes out of the closet

[MoSpur]

First active professional athlete in the three major sports to come out as far as I can remember.

[Findog]

Good for him. One day this won't be a big deal.

[DisAsTerBot]

:tu

[AaronY]

Shame he's such a scrub..would have been an infinitely more interesting story if some all star came out

[Mugen]

Good for him.

[Killakobe81]

Shame he's such a scrub..would have been an infinitely more interesting story if some all star came out

I agree just a blip on the radar tbh ...
But maye he gives someone with a bigger name the stones to come out ... we shall see.

[NASpurs]

So is Jarron Collins a fag too?

[td4mvp2k]

when will durant and westbrick come out?

[Spur|n|Austin]

Atta kid.

[NASpurs]

Richard Jefferson is kicking that closet door down and is going to look fabulous coming out of it. He's going to run with this Jason Collins announcement.

[Trill Clinton]

good, first kerry now jason. hopefully this leads to more of these downlow athletes coming out as well. niggas are tainting the pussy population.

[MoSpur]

I agree that its not a big deal because he's not an All Star. Just like Amaechi coming out. I didn't even know who that dude was until he came out. I think it opens the door for other athletes to slowly come out. I could care less either way to be honest.

[I. Hustle]

I agree that its not a big deal because he's not an All Star. Just like Amaechi coming out. I didn't even know who that dude was until he came out. I think it opens the door for other athletes to slowly come out. I could care less either way to be honest.

You mean you could care less than you do right now? So you do kind of care then?

[MoSpur]

I don't care if the guy is gay or straight. Its a story because he's the first to come out apparently

[jeebus]

Magic Johnson's son is salivating

[Fabbs]

when will durant and westbrick come out?
A Multiflamer told me of his frustration with so many married men unable/unwilling to come out.
He claims there are many.
NBA alone i could see Derek Fisher as one of the most obvious.
Kobe bats 50/50 i think.
Glen Davis is single i think.

A lot of refs probably are too. Altho their coming out could lead to being serviced for calls scandal.

[AaronY]

I don't care if the guy is gay or straight. Its a story because he's the first to come out apparently
Nothing gets by you, man

[Fabbs]

when will durant and westbrick come out?
Will be like when Clay Aikens came out.
Merely a formality.

[timvp]

His career was probably over before this. Now he'll probably land on the Mavs so Cuban can milk some of the exposure, IMO.

Either way, "active" is a stretch.

And dem Nets of the earlier aughts had some fun ... Collins, Jefferson, Kittles, Lucious, dat lips tattoo, etc.

[Findog]

Shame he's such a scrub..would have been an infinitely more interesting story if some all star came out

He will make it easier for the next person to come out until it's no longer an issue or a story when someone does.

[MoSpur]

Forgot Jefferson and Collins played together on that team.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Wait, Kerry Kittles is gay too?

[jag]

It takes almost as much courage to come out of the closet like this, as it does for someone to get on all fours and take a big one in the backdoor.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Forgot Jefferson and Collins played together on that team.

I wonder who was the catcher. Probably Richard.

[rjv]

props to kobe for standing up for collins on his twitter page. yes, he used an insensitive epithet a year ago but i never thought that to be anything more than heat of the moment vernacular

[urunobili]

he doesn't have team... "active" is relative

[jeebus]

I wonder how many news agencies or magazines and whatnot will refer to him as "NBA star" Jason C:lolllins.

[jag]

People want athletes to come out simply for the reality TV aspect of it all. I'm not sure why a person's sexuality (gay or straight) needs to be public knowledge.

[z0sa]

Who?

[Killakobe81]

Weak sauce dude is a free agent and is probably done. He just pulled a John Amechi tbh
Still took courage but waiting for a under contract player to do it and Jag is right it is no ones business but could do wonders for their cause.
If a LeBron, Durant or even a Rondo level player came out.

[DPG21920]

lol purposely omitting Kobe ^

[Jacob1983]

When is a super star or all star going to come out? No one cares when it's a spare that comes out of the closet.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Didn't know he was still in the league, but props to him for speaking up.

[Killakobe81]

lol purposely omitting Kobe ^

In case you missed the memo huckleberry I won't mention Achilles until AFTER THE FINALS ARE OVER ...damn you read to miuch in to shit if he came out even better he has more fans worldwide .lol obsessed

[ElNono]

It takes almost as much courage to come out of the closet like this, as it does for someone to get on all fours and take a big one in the backdoor.

:lol robinlopez.gif, etc

[ChumpDumper]

When is a super star or all star going to come out? No one cares when it's a spare that comes out of the closet.Let me guess: you don't care about it at all and will post about it until you die proving you don't care.

[Budkin]

Good for him... who gives a shit who you wanna fuck.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Let me guess: you don't care about it at all and will post about it until yo die proving you don't care.
:corn:

[Koolaid_Man]

First active professional athlete in the three major sports to come out as far as I can remember.

Now we can finally put this picture in it's proper context....mount it way high upon the mantle

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/duncancoll7_o_zps1a573a76.jpg


Maybe he will inspire other big men to come on out
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/Duncan%20dunks/DuncanandRobinson.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/Duncan%20dunks/n10028910_33171855_3891.jpg

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http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/ooo6_o_zps3def2fd2.jpg

[Koolaid_Man]

shoulder to shoulder with Hardaway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFP9rCnXR54

[I. Hustle]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/Swo0sh/RonArtestandPaulPiercegoliptolip.jpg

[Dunc n Dave]

So does this mean that Dick Jefferson might actually be straight? a couple of years before he joined the Spurs there was a source that said one of the Nets players was gay and everyone assumed it was Dick back then. Turns out it may have been Collins all along instead of Jefferson that they were talking about...

[jag]

it is no ones business but could do wonders for their cause.


How so?

[NASpurs]

shoulder to shoulder with Hardaway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFP9rCnXR54

Your pics are being posted left and right and this is where you come out from hiding? :lmao

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Heeeey! Koolaid_Man! you mmgay practicing faggot where you been? How you taking the sweep tbh

[Koolaid_Man]

Heeeey! Koolaid_Man! you mmgay practicing faggot where you been? How you taking the sweep tbh

It was a once in a lifetime season...so no big deal...Buss dies, Kobe's down, Nash, Pau, Dwight all injured for significant stretches..3 coaches in the same year....I have my excuses..which just happen to be valid...:hat

[Jacob1983]

How long will it be until he does a commercial for Logo?

[midnightpulp]

It was a once in a lifetime season...so no big deal...Buss dies, Kobe's down, Nash, Pau, Dwight all injured for significant stretches..3 coaches in the same year....I have my excuses..which just happen to be valid...:hat

7 points, 5TOs and destroyed by Aron Baynes.

No excuse for that, faggot.

Your boy Daawhite is a mental midget of the lowest order.

[BatManu20]

Good for him. Someday this will be a non story.

[Clipper Nation]

When's Magic finally going to drop the act and come out?

[Fpoonsie]

Evidently, Collins' NBA career was on tha DL, too.

[AaronY]

Evidently, Collins' NBA career was on tha DL, too.
rofl

[ElNono]

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[Fpoonsie]

Faried's prolly a faggot, too.

[HarlemHeat37]

Faried's prolly a faggot, too.

He was raised by dykes, tbh..

[Robz4000]

Props to him. :tu

[jeebus]

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I will present the non NBA response.

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[capek]

Good for him. One day this won't be a big deal.

:tu

[irishock]

I've nothing against faggots really. If you like sucking cock that's ur own damn problem.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I will present the non NBA response.


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:lmao

[I. Hustle]

I will present the non NBA response.

328890320009981952

That one cracked me up. (no homo)

[HarlemHeat37]

:lmao

:lmao:lmao..

[NASpurs]

:lmao


:lmao:lmao..

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[AaronY]

So the blacks had Jackie Robinson; class act, MVP level player, key guy on a contender and the gays have Jason Collins; unemployed scrub whose main skill is flopping. I'd feel pretty gipped if I was a gay dude right now...Liberace, Ricky Martin, Clay Aiken, George Michael, and now Jason Collins... once again they get the short end of the stick

[NASpurs]

So the blacks had Jackie Robinson; class act, MVP level player, key guy on a contender and the gays have Jason Collins; unemployed scrub whose main skill is flopping. I'd feel pretty gipped if I was a gay dude right now...Liberace, Ricky Martin, Clay Aiken, George Michael, and now Jason Collins... once again they get the short end of the stick

Tom Cruise? John Travolta?

I mean, I don't know what the names I'm throwing out there are supposed to prove but it's supposed to prove something I think...

[Killakobe81]

How so?

If a player with clout were to come out, I think it would force SOME players and fans to look at things froma different perspective.
If we abandon the PC world we live in ...sports is uber macho, and very homophobic.
Players that are less macho are "soft", weak and #ags or homos ... MJ even used a gay slander to break down Kwame.
Look at the Ruthgers coach video. Being soft right or wrong is considered a gay trait.
But if one the very best in the sport Lebron, Durant, Steph Curry, Westbrook, Achilles or CP3 were to come out while STLLL PLAYING it could help break down some of those pre-concieved notions or stereo-types. Will it change the worst of the bunch? No.

My uncle one of the most macho guys I know lettered in Football and basketball in HS had a child-hood friend that came out years later. He stopped by his house to visit with him and my uncle refused. His wife and his mom (my gran) begged him said he was being ignorant but he said "what would we have in common to talk about" and said if they went to a bar he would be picking up chicks and his friend would be hitting in the bartender. Or he would want to watch sports and his old friend soap operas. People still think of homosexuals as being effeminate ..

I think having an uber-male like Lebron come out (not that he is) would help their cause ...

[AaronY]

Tom Cruise? John Travolta?

Must have missed when they came out...funny, because you think it would it would have been a big news story..

[Killakobe81]

BTW went to SI.com they are sooooooo eager to have a major player come out.
They giving this story way to much hype. Dude is done. He is a free agent, limited skill set and limited mobility big. He is gonna retire.Sure, he is still brave but he probably figured he was not going back in to another lockeroom anyway.

Not hating but if he did this 5 years ago I would be impressed. All this warrants is a golf clap. John Amechi already did this ... Collins just did it a bit closer to his playing days.

My guess is this dude (smart guy btw) writes a book, does Oprah, grand marshalls (do they have those?) a Pride parade etc. and Never sniffs another NBA team ...

[NASpurs]

Must have missed when they came out...funny, because you think it would it would have been a big news story..

You don't remember hearing about Travolta being sued by his alleged gay lover? That shit was all over the news.

[MarioSpeedwagon]

So the blacks had Jackie Robinson; class act, MVP level player, key guy on a contender and the gays have Jason Collins; unemployed scrub whose main skill is flopping. I'd feel pretty gipped if I was a gay dude right now...Liberace, Ricky Martin, Clay Aiken, George Michael, and now Jason Collins... once again they get the short end of the stick

:lol

[jeebus]

grand marshalls (do they have those?) a Pride parade
I'm not sure but I believe they use sailor terminology for their parades. He'd be the captain of the parade and would have a bunch of seamen squirting around and doing his bidding.

[Killakobe81]

I'm not sure but I believe they use sailor terminology for their parades. He'd be the captain of the parade and would have a bunch of seamen squirting around and doing his bidding.

LOL
Well finaly read whole article and he is marching in a parde in June ...but I guess a bigger deall will be made by that time.

[Trainwreck2100]

So at one point him and RJ were on the same team

[jeebus]

So at one point him and RJ were on the same team
nigga, they still are on the same team, if you know what I mean.

[Trainwreck2100]

nigga, they still are on the same team, if you know what I mean.
they bat on the same side of the field

[Trainwreck2100]

they kick into the same endzone

[Fpoonsie]

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Can't believe Marc didn't even FAVORITE this shit.

[Thebesteva]

Who took a bigger dick in the ass? Collins or Jim Buss this year?

[Quadzilla99]

Can't wait for the discrimination lawsuit when this scrub can't get on a team

[Fpoonsie]

Can't wait for the discrimination lawsuit when this scrub can't get on a team

Exactly. He knew exactly what he was doing when he played this hand.

[AaronY]

Ugh.. the joke was about almost how most if not all of the gay male celebrities who've publicly come out of the closet suck at what they do or are nothing to be so proud of or throw your weight behind. I don't know if this NASpurs is some gay rights crusader looking for a fight or just half a fukken moron that I need to explain it in such detail

[Quadzilla99]

Ugh.. the joke was about almost how most if not all of the gay male celebrities who've publicly come out of the closet suck at what they do or are nothing to be so proud of or throw your weight behind. I don't know if this NASpurs is some gay rights crusader looking for a fight or just half a fukken moron that I need to explain it in such detail

I see what you did there bro. I thought it was funny.

[Thebesteva]

BOSTON GAY PRIDE PARADE
We Want Jason Collins
To LEAD 2013 March (http://www.tmz.com/2013/04/29/jason-collins-gay-boston-pride-grand-marshal/)
EXCLUSIVE
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/04/29/0429-jason-collins-boston-pride-getty-3.jpg
Well, that was quick ... TMZ has learned Jason Collins has officially been asked to lead Boston's pride parade this summer, hours after the NBA star announced that he's gay.

A rep for parade tells TMZ, “Boston Pride is formally inviting Jason Collins to be a Marshal in the 2013 Boston Pride Parade ... Boston Pride is proud that our annual celebration helped to inspire Jason Collins to make his groundbreaking decision to come out."

You'll recall ... Collins told Sports Illustrated that the Boston Pride parade was one of the main reasons he came out, claiming he always wanted to participate ... but couldn't because he was scared of public scrutiny.

Collins said he planned to march this year on June 8th -- but now he could be getting the VIP treatment instead ... which may or may not involve a bunch of half-naked men dancing in briefs.


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[Quadzilla99]

Exactly. He knew exactly what he was doing when he played this hand.

Yeah, the outrage when he's unemployed next year will definitely be a little more than it would have been; http://www.talk-sports.net/nba/fan.club.aspx/Jason_Collins

[AaronY]

I see what you did there bro. I thought it was funny.
thx brah

[jeebus]

Yeah, the outrage when he's unemployed next year will definitely be a little more than it would have been; http://www.talk-sports.net/nba/fan.club.aspx/Jason_Collins
I think he'll get a job next season; probably with the warriors for obvious reasons. plus it's not like the nba is full of centers who are skilled at what they do. expect a one year vet minimum deal with a lot of fanfare.

[LnGrrrR]

Well, good for him. It's a start.

[MarioSpeedwagon]

I think he'll get a job next season; probably with the warriors for obvious reasons. plus it's not like the nba is full of centers who are skilled at what they do. expect a one year vet minimum deal with a lot of fanfare.

I also suspect gays will learn the beneffits of his skill set. Lol @ at the idea of them celebrating like crazy during one of his successful flops

[IronMaxipad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G4PTUPXdfE0

what a fag.

[Trainwreck2100]

lol Brousard trying to get out of sideline duty

[AaronY]

I also suspect gays will learn the beneffits of his skill set. Lol @ at the idea of them celebrating like crazy during one of his successful flops
They'll basically be like a bunch of little league dads, lobbying for their scrub kid to get playing time....taking out their anger on the coach when he gets a dnp. Then cheering like mad when he gets into the game and does anything even remotely positive

[PingPong]

Shame he's such a scrub..would have been an infinitely more interesting story if some all star came out

Howard, that's your chance! :lol

[Sec24Row7]

Broussard just killed his career.

[Killakobe81]

BOSTON GAY PRIDE PARADE
We Want Jason Collins
To LEAD 2013 March (http://www.tmz.com/2013/04/29/jason-collins-gay-boston-pride-grand-marshal/)
EXCLUSIVEy
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/04/29/0429-jason-collins-boston-pride-getty-3.jpg
Well, that was quick ... TMZ has learned Jason Collins has officially been asked to lead Boston's pride parade this summer, hours after the NBA star announced that he's gay.

A rep for parade tells TMZ, “Boston Pride is formally inviting Jason Collins to be a Marshal in the 2013 Boston Pride Parade ... Boston Pride is proud that our annual celebration helped to inspire Jason Collins to make his groundbreaking decision to come out."

You'll recall ... Collins told Sports Illustrated that the Boston Pride parade was one of the main reasons he came out, claiming he always wanted to participate ... but couldn't because he was scared of public scrutiny.

Collins said he planned to march this year on June 8th -- but now he could be getting the VIP treatment instead ... which may or may not involve a bunch of half-naked men dancing in briefs.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2RsomNjWo (http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz2RsomNjWo)
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I called dat shit
Anybody go to one of these?
My old job we had home depot as a client and had a booth at a diversity day celebration in GA we got so many complaints had to get legal involved clients were pissed, NBA LOCKER rooms not only pace discrimination lives

[Killakobe81]

BOSTON GAY PRIDE PARADE
We Want Jason Collins
To LEAD 2013 March (http://www.tmz.com/2013/04/29/jason-collins-gay-boston-pride-grand-marshal/)
EXCLUSIVEy
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/04/29/0429-jason-collins-boston-pride-getty-3.jpg
Well, that was quick ... TMZ has learned Jason Collins has officially been asked to lead Boston's pride parade this summer, hours after the NBA star announced that he's gay.

A rep for parade tells TMZ, “Boston Pride is formally inviting Jason Collins to be a Marshal in the 2013 Boston Pride Parade ... Boston Pride is proud that our annual celebration helped to inspire Jason Collins to make his groundbreaking decision to come out."

You'll recall ... Collins told Sports Illustrated that the Boston Pride parade was one of the main reasons he came out, claiming he always wanted to participate ... but couldn't because he was scared of public scrutiny.

Collins said he planned to march this year on June 8th -- but now he could be getting the VIP treatment instead ... which may or may not involve a bunch of half-naked men dancing in briefs.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2RsomNjWo (http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz2RsomNjWo)
Visit the TMZ Store: http://tmzstore.com (http://tmzstore.com/)


I called dat shit
Anybody go to one of these?
My old job we had home depot as a client and had a booth at a diversity day celebration in GA we got so many complaints had to get legal involved clients were pissed, NBA LOCKER rooms not only pace discrimination lives

[AaronY]

You can say that again

[irishock]

Jason Kidd ‏@RealJasonKidd (https://twitter.com/RealJasonKidd)2h (https://twitter.com/RealJasonKidd/status/328929863329259520)
Jason's sexuality doesn't change the fact that he is a great friend and was a great teammate. @jasoncollins34 (https://twitter.com/jasoncollins34)

[jeebus]

Broussard just killed his career.
Good. one less faggot with an opinion at bspn

[YoMamaIsCallin]

So is Jarron Collins a fag too?

a. You're a dumbshit for using that word.
b. if you read Jason's article, he says his twin brother is not gay.

[MarioSpeedwagon]

a. You're a dumbshit for using that word.
b. if you read Jason's article, he says his twin brother is not gay.

I thought people were born gay tho...

[gameFACE]

It was bound to happen one of these years. Good for him. Pretty safe time for him to do it since he most likely won't play anymore. It will be interesting to see if someone does give him a contract next year as a 'back-up' center. (Sorry Jason, couldn't pass that one up)

Lol Chris Broussard.

[MarioSpeedwagon]

Broussard just killed his career.
Lets all keep our fingers crossed

[Fpoonsie]

I thought people were born gay tho...

Would seem Jason got the short end of the stick in utero, then proceeded to shove it up his ass.

[BUMP]

:lmao Fpoonsie running wild in this thread

[LkrFan]

:lol robinlopez.gif, etc
Nice gift s:loln. Congrats, btw.

[JudynTX]

You can tell who the homophobes are up in here.

Manu seems to be ok with it.


Manu Ginobili · 949,974 like this
3 minutes ago ·

All my respect and support to Jason Collins. Thanks to his courage perhaps someday an athlete's sexual preference will be irrelevant. Congratulations.

[hater]

:lmao wow lots of in closet homosexuality in this thread. Koolaid even got his pants down posting youtubes. (quietly steps out and slowly closes door)

[AaronY]

You can tell who the homophobes are up in here.

Gay jokes are funny...go spread your cheeks and pinch a new thread into that festering cesspool that is the political forum if you want to engage in some serious, socio-political commentary on this subject

[Spurminator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G4PTUPXdfE0

what a fag.

What was the question? Seems like an odd response, but then he questions his Christianity at the end which leads me to believe the original question was about his Christianity for some strange reason.

[MarioSpeedwagon]

Would seem Jason got the short end of the stick in utero, then proceeded to shove it up his ass.

HOLY SHIT :lmao

[irishock]

a. You're a dumbshit for using that word.
b. if you read Jason's article, he says his twin brother is not gay.

Get the fuck back upstairs

[jag]

To me this just seems like a guy at the end of his lackluster career trying to get some spotlight. I apologize for not thinking he's a hero, or treating him like he just saved a school bus full of children from an explosion, after beating cancer.

[jag]

And lol all the people hyping this saying the exact same thing: "hopefully one day this won't be such a big deal. In the meantime, let's make this the biggest story in the sports world."

[AaronY]

And lol all the people hyping this saying the exact same thing: "hopefully one day this won't be such a big deal. In the meantime, let's make this the biggest story in the sports world."
The best is the all the women on the internet and elsewhere getting offended by the gay jokes...literally the same type of people who are huge fans of generic blonde jokes. Says all you need to know and then some about their comedic sensibilities

[jeebus]

And lol all the people hyping this saying the exact same thing: "hopefully one day this won't be such a big deal. In the meantime, let's make this the biggest story in the sports world."
I'm still waiting for the first WNBA player to come out as straight imo

[Trainwreck2100]

a. You're a dumbshit for using that word.
b. if you read Jason's article, he says his twin brother is not gay.

Lol :cry he said faggot :cry

[DeadlyDynasty]

eww gross

[Trill Clinton]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G4PTUPXdfE0

what a fag.

daaaaaamn, the gay mafia is about to fuck this high yellow niggas life up.

[Trainwreck2100]

eww gross

dude I know right? That's not what penises are for.

[manufan10]

I'm still waiting for the first WNBA player to come out as straight imo

:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

To me this just seems like a guy at the end of his lackluster career trying to get some spotlight. I apologize for not thinking he's a hero, or treating him like he just saved a school bus full of children from an explosion, after beating cancer.


And lol all the people hyping this saying the exact same thing: "hopefully one day this won't be such a big deal. In the meantime, let's make this the biggest story in the sports world."

:lol..

[irishock]

Whether it's a free country or not, you should be free to act as you want to do as long as it's not violent. No matter what it is. I came here in a Cookie Monster shirt because I wanted to, and I was going to wear the pants. But I thought you guys were going to judge me. I was going to wear the hat too. But I thought you guys would judge me. I didn't want Mitch [Kupchak] to judge me. So that's why I didn't wear the hats and the pants. But I should've wore it. You should be free to do and act how you want to act.

-Artest :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm a rare case of a person growing up in the hood that has never been a homophobe, I rarely use the word faggot, tbh, but fuck, Gay rights groups have quickly taken the crown of irritation, tbh..they have surpassed PETA and feminists..

Why do we need Gay athletes to come out of the closet, tbh?..what difference does it make if the public is aware of their sexual preference and fetishes?..

If they want to spread awareness for homosexuality, that's fine, but why is there so much pressure and such a demand for Gay athletes?..are homosexuals planning on a global takeover, tbh?..

It's 2013, the average Gay man isn't afraid to come out of the closet, tbh..they don't need Gay athletes to influence common folks..

[rayjayjohnson]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/basketball/im-gay-and-in-the-nba-basketball-star-makes-historic-announcement-20130430-2ipim.html

:lol australian media

:lol 'basketball star'
:lol 'High-profile NFL players, most notably Chris Kluwe...', :lol punter about to get cut by the vikings

[lefty]

Twin brother's reaction:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mag...her-jason-gay/ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/news/20130429/jarron-collins-reaction-brother-jason-gay/)

Quote:


I won't lie. I had no idea. We talked, he answered my questions, I hugged him and I digested what he had told me. At the end of the day, this is what matters: He's my brother, he's a great guy, and I want him to be happy. I'll love him and I'll support him and, if necessary, I'll protect him.

[tomtom]

It's sad how many homophobes there are on this board.

[MarioSpeedwagon]

lol "homophobe" what a pseudoscientific buzzword. Some people just don't like gays thats the way it is. Lol @ at the idea that there has to be some kind of psychological condition or that its a sign of some kind of mental abnormality. gmafb

[JohnnyMax]

gay role players = no effect on me
gay super stars = im not rooting for them, i am not having a gay dude as my favorite player

[FkLA]

Quote:


I won't lie. I had no idea. We talked, he answered my questions, I hugged him and I digested what he had told me. At the end of the day, this is what matters: He's my brother, he's a great guy, and I want him to be happy. I'll love him and I'll support him and, if necessary, I'll protect him.




:cry beautiful quote tbh :cry (srs) (no homo)

[LkrFan]

This might just be the ammunition Timmy D needs to finally come out of his closet. Jason Collins might be a trend setter. :lol

[rayjayjohnson]

It's sad how many homophobes there are on this board.

portland fans have been defending gays since before it was cool tbh

[irishock]

This might just be the ammunition Timmy D needs to finally come out of his closet. Jason Collins might be a trend setter. :lol

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[Gay Robot]

If only Steph came out too.
http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/fn2/feeds/Associated%20Press/2012/12/30/660/371/371cdda4b7732424250f6a706700e174.jpg?ve=1

[LkrFan]

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Shouldn't she have on a pearl necklace and pair of kate spade new york 'shawna' sunglasses? :lol

[YoMamaIsCallin]

I thought people were born gay tho...

Depends on what you mean by "born". There's a lot more that goes into a 2 year old than just the genes they received from their parents. Lots of formative activities in the womb and in the preverbal stage of development. Read all about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation

When you say "I was born that way" what you really mean is you can't remember not being that way. But most people don't start maintaining an active personal history in your brain until you're 2 or so, when you develop a cognitive self. And most adults remember little or nothing of their history befor the age of 5. So when gay people overwhelmingly say "I was born that way" they are telling the truth as they know it.

Bottom line: identical twins are more likely to have the same sexual orientation than fraternal twins or brothers, but not overwhelmingly so. Apparently factors in the womb and in early development also come into play.

[whitemamba]

faggot

[YoMamaIsCallin]

lol "homophobe" what a pseudoscientific buzzword. Some people just don't like gays thats the way it is. Lol @ at the idea that there has to be some kind of psychological condition or that its a sign of some kind of mental abnormality. gmafb

No, you don't have some irrational phobia, but you do seem to have an irrational hate. People who have irrational hatreds that they believe are just fine to express and act upon are, technically speaking, dumbshits.

[dunkman]

?

[irishock]

faggot

[Jacob1983]

A gay athlete coming out will never be the biggest story in the world or in sports. The biggest sports story in the world or at least in America is if the Chicago Cubs win the World Series. Chicago would probably shut down for at least a week if the Cubs ever break their curse.

And again, if being gay is normal then why is there such a big deal in American society when a famous person especially an athlete comes out as a homosexual? If it's normal, then no one should give a fuck or care. It shouldn't even be a story. This spare is probably having money problems so he figures that if he says he is a homosexual then Oprah will give him a nice book and tv interview deal. It's always about money.

[Clipper Nation]

This might just be the ammunition Timmy D needs to finally come out of his closet. Jason Collins might be a trend setter. :lol

Considering how hard he took it up the ass from B:lolnner and Baynes this series, Dwight's the gay one, tbh....

[jag]

I'm a rare case of a person growing up in the hood that has never been a homophobe, I rarely use the word faggot, tbh, but fuck, Gay rights groups have quickly taken the crown of irritation, tbh..they have surpassed PETA and feminists..

Why do we need Gay athletes to come out of the closet, tbh?..what difference does it make if the public is aware of their sexual preference and fetishes?..

If they want to spread awareness for homosexuality, that's fine, but why is there so much pressure and such a demand for Gay athletes?..are homosexuals planning on a global takeover, tbh?..

It's 2013, the average Gay man isn't afraid to come out of the closet, tbh..they don't need Gay athletes to influence common folks..

It's such a big deal because hopefully one day it won't be such a big deal.

[Jacob1983]

Gayness should not be discussed in sports. I mean are guys discussing how many women they have fucked and/or raped (Kobe, Big Ben, LT) during games?

[hater]

it's all a masterplan from the White House propaganda machine tbh

"let's keep these dumbshit liberals concentrated on gay rights and the dumbfuck cons concentrated on their gun rights. "

wish ppl would wake up...

[DPG21920]

I just think the inevitable "wait, you don't absolutely love gays?!! Well then you're a bigot or an idiot sir!" type of stuff will get annoying. I fully support people living their life how they want and have male and female gay friends that I've known/continue to know but I have my own beliefs as well.

As long as you don't hate people or push your beliefs down their throats, you shouldn't have to celebrate their lifestyle to be open-minded and supportive.

[CitizenDwayne]

Nice publicity grab, Jason. Now your entire career won't be enshrouded in obscurity.

[Koolaid_Man]

His career was probably over before this. Now he'll probably land on the Mavs so Cuban can milk some of the exposure, IMO.

Either way, "active" is a stretch.

And dem Nets of the earlier aughts had some fun ... Collins, Jefferson, Kittles, Lucious, dat lips tattoo, etc.


tbh if a team is smart they'd sign Jason straight away (no pun) :lol...I'm being real with you now...fact is with him the line-up no one will want to touch that when he's posting up or if he's trying to guard you...and if an opposing player hit that nigga upside the head his own teammates would turn on him...signing this dude could be the ultimate game changer...Rodman used to do this shit to Zo...and it drove Zo nuts...Zo told him once: "You're a sick muthafucker"....basically Rodman would get his dick hard and then when Zo backed into him he askd him did he feel his meat...:lol

Kool with the Lakers please sign Jason Collins Campaign :toast

[Koolaid_Man]

He could also increase ticket sales..imagine a lineup of

Collins
Dwight
Kobe
Nash
J-Smith

[Koolaid_Man]

Nice publicity grab, Jason. Now your entire career won't be enshrouded in obscurity.

^this....what I'm about to say next I don't totally agree with but as a black man I can joke about it....I found it curious that Jason would start off by saying "I'm Black"...and then "I'm Gay"....because being black and gay is literally like THE worse thing a person can be....ostracized by everyone...actually being fat, black, and gay is the ultimate worse...Magic's son gets away with it because he's rich

[Koolaid_Man]

7 points, 5TOs and destroyed by Aron Baynes.

No excuse for that, faggot.

Your boy Daawhite is a mental midget of the lowest order.

I fully expect Dwight to be awesome next year...once he signs that contract...that nigga gonna be monkey balling it up and you know it...we just gotta find a way to dump Gasol for Rondo, get Ariza back in some package deal and sign Josh Smith....am I smoking crack or what :hat

Kobe
Dwight (new contract)
Rondo
Josh Smith
Ariza

[Jacob1983]

But why is this an issue? What does it have to do with playing a game? Basketball is a game in which there is a winner and a loser. Whichever team has the most points in regulation/overtime, wins the game. There shouldn't be any discussion of gayness or straightness. If there has to be a discussion on gayness, then why not a discussion on masturbation in the NBA? Do you see read about straight NBA players talking about who they bang?

Who cares? The guy is a spare and needs a paycheck. That's what it's about folks. I think it's funny how he is a free agent. Why didn't he announce this during the season?


And people act like someone has been murdered or raped when they hear "faggot" or "homo" said. Are you serious? I got called a pussy a million times in high school but I didn't kill myself or cry about it. You've got to be thick skinned in this world.

[Koolaid_Man]

I think having an uber-male like Lebron come out (not that he is) would help their cause ...

:lol I feel ya dawg

[CitizenDwayne]

I got called a pussy a million times in high school

Ah. Now it all makes sense

[Koolaid_Man]

But why is this an issue? What does it have to do with playing a game? Basketball is a game in which there is a winner and a loser. Whichever team has the most points in regulation/overtime, wins the game. There shouldn't be any discussion of gayness or straightness. If there has to be a discussion on gayness, then why not a discussion on masturbation in the NBA? Do you see read about straight NBA players talking about who they bang?

Who cares? The guy is a spare and needs a paycheck. That's what it's about folks. I think it's funny how he is a free agent. Why didn't he announce this during the season?


And people act like someone has been murdered or raped when they hear "faggot" or "homo" said. Are you serious? I got called a pussy a million times in high school but I didn't kill myself or cry about it. You've got to be thick skinned in this world.

I agree with you...that nigga is genius...broke, ugly, and gay...let's see....market my faggotry...it's ingenious tbh...

and to all the players like Kobe (my nigga) being PC about it...the ultimate question to his NBA peers who've come out in support is:

Q. So Jason Collins is gay? and you support him...would you go to a gay party with me this weekend. Or
Q. Would you suck a dick in support of Jason to show people it's alright...

None of them niggas except Faried would do it

[Koolaid_Man]

Everyone NBA player supporting this cat only doing so to see if they can cash in on being generous to a gay...I see all through that shit...

They all feel secretly like Tim Hardaway tbh:


"You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known," Hardaway said. "I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."

Hardaway was a guest of Miami Herald columnist Dan Le Betard on the Miami radio show Sports Talk 790 and was asked how he would deal with a gay teammate. When asked if he would accept an active player's coming out, such as that of retired NBA center John Amaechi, Hardaway replied: "First of all, I wouldn't want him on my team.

"And second of all, if he was on my team, I would, you know, really distance myself from him because, uh, I don't think that's right. And you know I don't think he should be in the locker room while we're in the locker room. I wouldn't even be a part of that," he said.

Hardaway later apologized for the remarks during a telephone interview with Fox affiliate WSVN in Miami.

"Yes, I regret it. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said I hate gay people or anything like that," he said. "That was my mistake."

[Chinook]

I just think the inevitable "wait, you don't absolutely love gays?!! Well then you're a bigot or an idiot sir!" type of stuff will get annoying. I fully support people living their life how they want and have male and female gay friends that I've known/continue to know but I have my own beliefs as well.

As long as you don't hate people or push your beliefs down their throats, you shouldn't have to celebrate their lifestyle to be open-minded and supportive.

I agree with you completely. The amount of societal pressure being put on people who openly state their opposition to gay marriage and/or homosexuality is sickening. People misunderstand the idea of tolerance all the time. A person isn't tolerant if they think something is perfectly acceptable. They are tolerant if they disagree with it but still support its right to exist. People should have a right to respectfully disagree with a life style if they choose.

[NRHector]

This might just be the ammunition Timmy D needs to finally come out of his closet. Jason Collins might be a trend setter. :lol

Howard came out last night after the first tech

[FkLA]

I agree with you completely. The amount of societal pressure being put on people who openly state their opposition to gay marriage and/or homosexuality is sickening. People misunderstand the idea of tolerance all the time. A person isn't tolerant if they think something is perfectly acceptable. They are tolerant if they disagree with it but still support its right to exist. People should have a right to respectfully disagree with a life style if they choose.

There is no reason to 'not believe' in homosexuality. Or to 'disagree/oppose' homsexuality. It exists and its part of this world, thats like if gay people said they dont believe in heterosexuality. Homophobic is just another word for ignorant tbh.

[J_Paco]

There is no reason to 'not believe' in homosexuality. Or to 'disagree/oppose' homsexuality. It exists and its part of this world, thats like if gay people said they dont believe in heterosexuality. Homophobic is just another word for ignorant tbh.


Exactly, beautifully put. Homosexuality is only argued against because of people's inherent fear (lack of understanding) or because the religious doctrine they subscribe to. We need to get beyond these ways of thinking and appreciate people for who they are and not who they sleep with. Props to Mr. Collins for finding his truth and sharing it with the world. Maybe we can get beyond it eventually and other players can be left alone about their own sexual orientation.

Maybe bullshit like "no homo" and constantly insulting a player through his questioned sexual preference (Richard Jefferson) can stop around here.

[HarlemHeat37]

Exactly, beautifully put. Homosexuality is only argued against because of people's inherent fear (lack of understanding) or because the religious doctrine they subscribe to. We need to get beyond these ways of thinking and appreciate people for who the are and not who they sleep with. Props to Mr. Collins for finding his truth and sharing it with the world. Maybe we can get beyond it eventually and other players can be left alone about their own sexual orientation.

Left alone?:lol..

Gay activists are pressuring closet homosexual athletes to come out, along with prematurely playing the victim card..heterosexuals haven't been pressuring them to reveal themselves, tbh..

[Chinook]

There is no reason to 'not believe' in homosexuality. Or to 'disagree/oppose' homsexuality. It exists and its part of this world, thats like if gay people said they dont believe in heterosexuality. Homophobic is just another word for ignorant tbh.

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to believe it's not right (religious and otherwise). I don't subscribe to them, but that doesn't mean that view doesn't have a right to exist. Lots of things exist in this world that people don't believe are right, which is why we have morals in the first place. Homophobia is not ignorant, nor are other types of intolerance. They may indeed be irrational, but that's not the same thing as ignorant.

Ideas should not be controlled by society. People should be allowed to believe what they want. What we should instead focus on is the legal protections for multiple view points to be respected. So long as people respectfully disagree with homosexuality, they deserve to have their beliefs respected.

[HarlemHeat37]

Personally, and I believe most people feel the same way, if a player was a nice contributor for my team and I enjoyed playing basketball with him, I couldn't care less if he enjoys hanging out with Magic's son on Saturday nights, tbh..

[Koolaid_Man]

Exactly, beautifully put. Homosexuality is only argued against because of people's inherent fear (lack of understanding) or because the religious doctrine they subscribe to. We need to get beyond these ways of thinking and appreciate people for who they are and not who they sleep with. Props to Mr. Collins for finding his truth and sharing it with the world. Maybe we can get beyond it eventually and other players can be left alone about their own sexual orientation.

Maybe bullshit like "no homo" and constantly insulting a player through his questioned sexual preference (Richard Jefferson) can stop around here.

I don't give a shit what your gay ass has to say...and I could care less what dude is fucking you...all I know is that you showing your ass on the court and clowning around when I'm trying to win the dam game I reserve the right to call you a "flaming faggot" in the immortal words of MJ to Kwame...:lol face it...us niggas took the word and turn it into terms of endearment...why don't yall do the same...I can picture it now:

"Yo what up dawg, what up my nigga, my faggot"... :lmao

[Chinook]

Left alone?:lol..

Gay activists are pressuring closet homosexual athletes to come out, along with prematurely playing the victim card..heterosexuals haven't been pressuring them to reveal themselves, tbh..

Exactly. I am just fine with people doing whatever they want. There's no reason for anyone to come out. If they do, I don't think about them any differently, which is what they should want. I don't think of them as a hero, because no one should care that they came out. I'd only care if my girlfriend came out, because then it would affect me directly.

[AaronY]

Thread really sucked a dick the last few pages...got like so gay its unbelievable...Fpoonsie come back and save it plz tyia

[J_Paco]

Left alone?:lol..

Gay activists are pressuring closet homosexual athletes to come out, along with prematurely playing the victim card..heterosexuals haven't been pressuring them to reveal themselves, tbh..

I actually agree with you Harlem, but I also believe that as individuals they should be allowed to be openly gay while pursuing an active career. Why? Otherwise we see the intolerant bullshit that went on during Jefferson's 2 1/2 year run in San Antonio on these message boards.

[Chinook]

I actually agree with you Harlem, but I also believe that as individuals they should be allowed to be openly gay while pursuing an active career. Why? Otherwise we see the intolerant bullshit that went on during Jefferson's 2 1/2 year run in San Antonio on these message boards.

I believe he agrees with that, too. But coming out should be their choice, not the result of pressure from a misguided political movement. It shouldn't matter if you're gay or not. Such an announcement should not even make it into the paper.

[Koolaid_Man]

Exactly. I am just fine with people doing whatever they want. There's no reason for anyone to come out. If they do, I don't think about them any differently, which is what they should want. I don't think of them as a hero, because no one should care that they came out. I'd only care if my girlfriend came out, because then it would affect me directly.

Below are the terms of endearment reference package (no pun) just replace nigga with faggot: (not intended to offend just a reference package)


"Me and faggot gonna be chilling some honey's tonight "

"Faggots don't read"

"Faggots be trippin"

"This is for my faggots"

"Me and my faggots fucked the shit out them bitches"

"Pour out some liquor for my faggots, Imma hold it down for yall"

"Die faggot die"

"Faggots be chilling in that Oak cliff"

"You know a faggot packing that heat"

"Bitch ass Faggot"

"You faggots dranking up all my henney"

"Come smoke with me faggot"

.......and on and on and on and on....

[J_Paco]

I don't give a shit what your gay ass has to say...and I could care less what dude is fucking you...all I know is that you showing your ass on the court and clowning around when I'm trying to win the dam game I reserve the right to call you a "flaming faggot" in the immortal words of MJ to Kwame...:lol face it...us niggas took the word and turn it into terms of endearment...why don't yall do the same...I can picture it now:

"Yo what up dawg, what up my nigga, my faggot"... :lmao

I know you are a troll (and moron) but I'm not gay. I'm just happy that much like any other gay person in our society, Jason can finally be honest with himself, his family and the viewing public about who he really is. I did think it was publicity grab to extend his career, yet that won't matter when another more prominent player follows suit.


I believe he agrees with that, too. But coming out should be their choice, not the result of pressure from a misguided political movement. It shouldn't matter if you're gay or not. Such an announcement should not even make it into the paper.

Well, we'll agree to agree then. LOL

I just wanted to acknowledge this big first step that Jason accomplished and hope other players are brave enough to follow his lead. Maybe this will become a non-issue in another 10 or 20 years.

[ElNono]

this reminds me of the Don't Ask Don't Tell thread in the politics forum...

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184779

Cobra and Crookshanks bringing the unintended comedy goods per the usual

[Chinook]

Below are the terms of endearment reference package (no pun) just replace nigga with faggot: (not intended to offend just a reference package)


"Me and faggot gonna be chilling some honey's tonight "

"Faggots don't read"

"Faggots be trippin"

"This is for my faggots"

"Me and my faggots fucked the shit out them bitches"

"Pour out some liquor for my faggots, Imma hold it down for yall"

"Die faggot die"

"Faggots be chilling in that Oak cliff"

"You know a faggot packing that heat"

"Bitch ass Faggot"

"You faggots dranking up all my henney"

"Come smoke with me faggot"

.......and on and on and on and on....

I believe strongly in the freedom of speech, so I agree with you. I don't think any word should be taken out of the lexicon because it offends people. We should focus on people not taking offense instead of trying to change what words people use. I don't mind the use of the N-word, because I don't associate it with a pejorative attitude. A person's beliefs and actions matter to be a lot more than their word usage when I judge their character.

[FkLA]

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to believe it's not right (religious and otherwise). I don't subscribe to them, but that doesn't mean that view doesn't have a right to exist. Lots of things exist in this world that people don't believe are right, which is why we have morals in the first place. Homophobia is not ignorant, nor are other types of intolerance. They may indeed be irrational, but that's not the same thing as ignorant.

Ideas should not be controlled by society. People should be allowed to believe what they want. What we should instead focus on is the legal protections for multiple view points to be respected. So long as people respectfully disagree with homosexuality, they deserve to have their beliefs respected.

What legitimate reasons? There is no legit reason to be intolerant towards any type of people, including gays. Youre basically saying its perfectly fine to hate gay people as long as you keep it to yourself or within your circle of friends. That shouldnt be ok with society, obviously there will always be dumbasses that feel that way just like racism still exists...but it should be frowned upon by society just like racism is now.

[FkLA]

I actually agree with you Harlem, but I also believe that as individuals they should be allowed to be openly gay while pursuing an active career. Why? Otherwise we see the intolerant bullshit that went on during Jefferson's 2 1/2 year run in San Antonio on these message boards.

I dont think that was intolerance. I called RJ a fag and made gay jokes about him all the time, but that was mostly due to how big of a bitch he was on the court tbh. I dont think the majority of spurfans actually hated him because hes gay.

[Koolaid_Man]

I know you are a troll (and moron) but I'm not gay. I'm just happy that much like any other gay person in our society, Jason can finally be honest with himself, his family and the viewing public about who he really is. I did think it was publicity grab to extend his career, yet that won't matter when another more prominent player follows suit.

^ Did you know what Timmy:

Has a tongue ring
Has a tramp stamp (tattoo above the ass crack)
Allowed his college roommate to live with him for years after college and after he made it to the pro's because he needed someone to talk to...(according to reports)

He's my dark-horse candidate :lol

Jason was happy he taking all the dick he wanted...no one denied him any benefits...I know gay people and I wouldn't let anyone harm them on that basis in my presence....I don't think they should be discriminated against...but the fact is that if everyone adopted a gay lifestyle then life on earth would cease to exist...

there's only one scenario where being gay is acceptable to me...that's two beautiful women..key word here is beautiful...no males or no bull dykes...the reason being is that two sexy and beautiful women together enhances what I as a member of the opposite sex desire in them which is femininity whereas two men being together does not enhance what the female sex desires in us and that's masculinity..this is Kool's definition and it's the reason my hypocrisy is perfectly acceptable

[Killakobe81]

Broussard is a dumbass but if that is his religious belief ESPN should not fire him unless his contract prohibits him sharing his religious beliefs at the workplace. He did not express hate just his own morals and belief systems. Isn't it hypocritical to applaud Collins for sharing his lifestyle choice but then condemn that high yella nicca for his?

[Koolaid_Man]

Broussard is a dumbass but if that is his religious belief ESPN should not fire him unless his contract prohibits him sharing his religious beliefs at the workplace. He did not express hate just his own morals and belief systems. Isn't it hypocritical to applaud Collins for sharing his lifestyle choice but then condemn that high yella nicca for his?

you start off calling him a dumbass for undoubtedly sharing his religious beliefs and then finish with that last sentence...seems you a bit confused this evening...:lol

[Chinook]

What legitimate reasons? There is no legit reason to be intolerant towards any type of people, including gays. Youre basically saying its perfectly fine to hate gay people as long as you keep it to yourself or within your circle of friends. That shouldnt be ok with society, obviously there will always be dumbasses that feel that way just like racism still exists...but it should be frowned upon by society just like racism is now.

Yes, I believe that entirely. That's what it means to have freedom of speech. Hell, I support the KKK's right to protest, and I obviously don't agree with them at all.

Again, you confuse intolerance with disagreement. You don't have to believe homosexuality is perfectly normal to be tolerant -- in fact, you can't. You don't claim to be tolerant of heterosexuality, do you? No, because no one is really arguing that it's wrong. Tolerance is best demonstrated in religions. If you're Christian, you believe your faith is the correct one. Even though you think Muslims are wrong, you support freedom of religion and defend them when their rights are being infringed upon. That's tolerance. So by that same extension, one has to believe homosexuality is wrong to be tolerant of it; otherwise, it just doesn't apply.

Faith IS a legitimate reason to believe any action is wrong. The fact that it makes a person uncomfortable is also a legitimate reason. The fact that someone think it's a biological or psychological defect is also another legitimate reason. You can disagree with their conclusions (which I do), but that doesn't make their view invalid. Society should have an open discussion about what homosexuality is and how we should deal with it instead of just having two sides pretend they hold the sole moral and intellectual high ground.

[Koolaid_Man]

Yes, I believe that entirely. That's what it means to have freedom of speech. Hell, I support the KKK's right to protest, and I obviously don't agree with them at all.

Again, you confuse intolerance with disagreement. You don't have to believe homosexuality is perfectly normal to be tolerant -- in fact, you can't. You don't claim to be tolerant of heterosexuality, do you? No, because no one is really arguing that it's wrong. Tolerance is best demonstrated in religions. If you're Christian, you believe your faith is the correct one. Even though you think Muslims are wrong, you support freedom of religion and defend them when their rights are being infringed upon. That's tolerance. So by that same extension, one has to believe homosexuality is wrong to be tolerant of it; otherwise, it just doesn't apply.

Faith IS a legitimate reason to believe any action is wrong. The fact that it makes a person uncomfortable is also a legitimate reason. The fact that someone think it's a biological or psychological defect is also another legitimate reason. You can disagree with their conclusions (which I do), but that doesn't make their view invalid. Society should have an open discussion about what homosexuality is and how we should deal with it instead of just having two sides pretend they hold the sole moral and intellectual high ground.


FKLA is just defending his peeps ...

[Killakobe81]

Lol all the gay rights police out in force Mike Wallace got killed on Twitter for saying with all the beautiful women in the world he doesn't understand homosexuality. Thought we protected freedom of speech along with human (gay) rights?

[Killakobe81]

you start off calling him a dumbass for undoubtedly sharing his religious beliefs and then finish with that last sentence...seems you a bit confused this evening...:lol

I don't like Broussard but maybe I should of placed a comma, after dumbass but he still has right to his religious beliefss. And though I think he has a right to dumbass opinions about hoops or gay people ...he was dumb for expressing on ESPN

[Koolaid_Man]

Personally, and I believe most people feel the same way, if a player was a nice contributor for my team and I enjoyed playing basketball with him, I couldn't care less if he enjoys hanging out with Magic's son on Saturday nights, tbh..

If you could be sure no one would ever find out would you suck a man's dick for 1 millon, let him cum in your face for 1 million, and then swallow that cum for another 1 million all clear an d tax free. Would you do it?

[Killakobe81]

I don't like Broussard but maybe I should of placed a comma, after dumbass but he still has right to his religious beliefss. And though I think he has a right to dumbass opinions about hoops or gay people ...he was dumb for expressing on ESPN

Still don't think he should be slammed for it ...

[Koolaid_Man]

I don't like Broussard but maybe I should of placed a comma, after dumbass but he still has right to his religious beliefss. And though I think he has a right to dumbass opinions about hoops or gay people ...he was dumb for expressing on ESPN

They're trying to flip the story...and make us believe being gay is as cool as buying a fresh pair of MJ's

[Chinook]

Still don't think he should be slammed for it ...

I agree. It has nothing to do with basketball. Just like we shouldn't care if Collins is gay, we shouldn't care if Broussard thinks homosexuality is wrong. Anyone who was looking to ESPN for moral guidance was already a lost cause.

[Koolaid_Man]

Kobe spinning like a muthafucker after he called that ref a fucking faggot...now he expects us to believe that after a lifetime of likely calling people faggots he got a revelation in 1 short year...:lol..nigga trying to capitalize and build up his image off this shit...I can't hate on that though....maybe gay is the way :lol..naah I'm just joking there's no money in it for me...so I don't have to be PC...

[Koolaid_Man]

Lol all the gay rights police out in force Mike Wallace got killed on Twitter for saying with all the beautiful women in the world he doesn't understand homosexuality. Thought we protected freedom of speech along with human (gay) rights?

if we cannot call people homo's and faggots then what are we gonna call them? if we keep this up pretty soon all the bitch asses and muthafuckers gonna be demanding rights as well :lol

[Proxy]

Yes, I believe that entirely. That's what it means to have freedom of speech. Hell, I support the KKK's right to protest, and I obviously don't agree with them at all.

Again, you confuse intolerance with disagreement. You don't have to believe homosexuality is perfectly normal to be tolerant -- in fact, you can't. You don't claim to be tolerant of heterosexuality, do you? No, because no one is really arguing that it's wrong. Tolerance is best demonstrated in religions. If you're Christian, you believe your faith is the correct one. Even though you think Muslims are wrong, you support freedom of religion and defend them when their rights are being infringed upon. That's tolerance. So by that same extension, one has to believe homosexuality is wrong to be tolerant of it; otherwise, it just doesn't apply.

Faith IS a legitimate reason to believe any action is wrong. The fact that it makes a person uncomfortable is also a legitimate reason. The fact that someone think it's a biological or psychological defect is also another legitimate reason. You can disagree with their conclusions (which I do), but that doesn't make their view invalid. Society should have an open discussion about what homosexuality is and how we should deal with it instead of just having two sides pretend they hold the sole moral and intellectual high ground.

People can have their own opinions, but faith has no grounds to make up their own facts. The social injustices that you're attempting to justify with the regurgitated freedom of speech argument is weak.

[AaronY]

Holy shit, this thread sucks now

[FkLA]

Yes, I believe that entirely. That's what it means to have freedom of speech. Hell, I support the KKK's right to protest, and I obviously don't agree with them at all.

Again, you confuse intolerance with disagreement. You don't have to believe homosexuality is perfectly normal to be tolerant -- in fact, you can't. You don't claim to be tolerant of heterosexuality, do you? No, because no one is really arguing that it's wrong. Tolerance is best demonstrated in religions. If you're Christian, you believe your faith is the correct one. Even though you think Muslims are wrong, you support freedom of religion and defend them when their rights are being infringed upon. That's tolerance. So by that same extension, one has to believe homosexuality is wrong to be tolerant of it; otherwise, it just doesn't apply.

Faith IS a legitimate reason to believe any action is wrong. The fact that it makes a person uncomfortable is also a legitimate reason. The fact that someone think it's a biological or psychological defect is also another legitimate reason. You can disagree with their conclusions (which I do), but that doesn't make their view invalid. Society should have an open discussion about what homosexuality is and how we should deal with it instead of just having two sides pretend they hold the sole moral and intellectual high ground.

Youre confusing legality with morality. Just because hating gays is legal doesnt mean society shouldnt frown upon it...Im not saying outlaw it or control it. Obviously people will believe what they want, just saying its ignorant. Irrationality is ignorance.

[DeadlyDynasty]

If you could be sure no one would ever find out would you suck a man's dick for 1 millon, let him cum in your face for 1 million, and then swallow that cum for another 1 million all clear an d tax free. Would you do it?
Yes to the first million. A dry bj is worth the mil, especially if no one ever knew. I could always kill the guy afterwards too.

[Chinook]

People can have their own opinions, but faith has no grounds to make up their own facts. The social injustices that you're attempting to justify with the regurgitated freedom of speech argument is weak.

Morals aren't facts -- their opinions. Faith is perfectly acceptable as the basis of morals.

I didn't justify any social injustice. In fact, I specifically stated that laws should be formed to protect everyone's rights. But their shouldn't be a law to prevent people from being offended. That doesn't jive with rights theory.

It's like people miss the forest through the trees. The problem with the KKK (for example) isn't their beliefs; it's when they act on them. We don't have a right to control their beliefs just because we don't agree with them. That is a true social injustice. In the same way, it's an injustice to attack people for stating their opinions. It's not an injustice to belief someone's lifestyle is wrong.

[Chinook]

Youre confusing legality with morality. Just because hating gays is legal doesnt mean society shouldnt frown upon it...Im not saying outlaw it or control it. Obviously people will believe what they want, just saying its ignorant. Irrationality is ignorance.

No, irrationality is not ignorance. They're just two completely different things. It's like saying insanity is the same thing as stupidity. You can fix ignorance with knowledge; you can't fix irrationality that way.

And hating gay people is becoming de facto illegal, even though it's not de jure illegal. You can't disagree with gay marriage without getting fired, or losing your business, or being judged as a lesser person. It should be the same as with homosexuality; it shouldn't matter unless it for some reason directly affects the contributions that person is putting out. Just like no one should care if Collins is gay, so too should no one care that the owner of Chick Fil' A doesn't support gay marriage.

[TDfan2007]

I'm a rare case of a person growing up in the hood that has never been a homophobe, I rarely use the word faggot, tbh, but fuck, Gay rights groups have quickly taken the crown of irritation, tbh..they have surpassed PETA and feminists..

Why do we need Gay athletes to come out of the closet, tbh?..what difference does it make if the public is aware of their sexual preference and fetishes?..

If they want to spread awareness for homosexuality, that's fine, but why is there so much pressure and such a demand for Gay athletes?..are homosexuals planning on a global takeover, tbh?..

It's 2013, the average Gay man isn't afraid to come out of the closet, tbh..they don't need Gay athletes to influence common folks..

There is still plenty of homophobia/bigotry in the country. KillaKobe answered your question about why it's beneficial for gay athletes to come out earlier in the threat, and I completely agree with his point.

I would hardly call Collins a notable athlete though. Never was and never will be.

[Koolaid_Man]

Yes to the first million. A dry bj is worth the mil, especially if no one ever knew. I could always kill the guy afterwards too.

Appreciate the candor...but I would not since my pops and nem leaving me close to what I estimate is a 15 mil or so inheritance when they die....but he if upped the ante to say 3 mill then I just might :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

if I equate Hollins gay anal penetrating love making skills to his on court abilities..I'd say he was a lousy lay...:lol

[Kool Bob Love]

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[whitemamba]

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what if he likes that shit....

[FkLA]

No, irrationality is not ignorance. They're just two completely different things. It's like saying insanity is the same thing as stupidity. You can fix ignorance with knowledge; you can't fix irrationality that way.

And hating gay people is becoming de facto illegal, even though it's not de jure illegal. You can't disagree with gay marriage without getting fired, or losing your business, or being judged as a lesser person. It should be the same as with homosexuality; it shouldn't matter unless it for some reason directly affects the contributions that person is putting out. Just like no one should care if Collins is gay, so too should no one care that the owner of Chick Fil' A doesn't support gay marriage.

I guess youre right on that. Irrationality is probably worse tbh.

And it is perfectly within a companys or societys right to judge someone as a lesser person because they hate people with a certain skin color/sexual preference, especially if youre open about your hatred. Just like they choose to have their irrational beliefs we can choose to look down on them because of those beliefs.

[Proxy]

Morals aren't facts -- their opinions. Faith is perfectly acceptable as the basis of morals.

I didn't justify any social injustice. In fact, I specifically stated that laws should be formed to protect everyone's rights. But their shouldn't be a law to prevent people from being offended. That doesn't jive with rights theory.

It's like people miss the forest through the trees. The problem with the KKK (for example) isn't their beliefs; it's when they act on them. We don't have a right to control their beliefs just because we don't agree with them. That is a true social injustice. In the same way, it's an injustice to attack people for stating their opinions. It's not an injustice to belief someone's lifestyle is wrong.

Again, your argument is regurgitated bullshit. It isn't "moral" to respect the existence of ignorance and anti-progressive sentiment. Let me make it clear that I am in no way attempting to tackle any legality or resolution, but your attempt to justify hostility and stupidity is a shallow and backwards way of thinking.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Proxy is a fag

[Thebesteva]

Why is everyone fighting in here? I'm kind of against homo's especially gay marriage but it's not us taking a shower with him in that locker. Who cares? Why is Obama calling this guy to congratulate him for bravery? Why haven't I gotten a medal for dealing with my life?

[Chinook]

Again, your argument is regurgitated bullshit. It isn't "moral" to respect the existence of ignorance and anti-progressive sentiment. Let me make it clear that I am in no way attempting to tackle any legality resolution, but your attempt to justify hostility and stupidity and a shallow and backwards way of thinking.

Hostility is not the same thing as disagreement. Do you think I am saying that teams should be allowed to prevent Collins from signing with them because he's gay? I'm not, not at all. But yes, players like Chris Culliver have every right to not like gay people if they choose. So long as he doesn't attack his teammate or ruin locker-room chemistry, it should be a non-issue. That's what it means to have a free society. You may think it's bullshit to support people's rights to be bigots, but don't try then to use arguments about freedom to support homosexuality. It words both ways.

And again, morals are not based on knowledge. You don't change morals by learning facts. You can change morals by experience, sure. But it's not like if someone spends a year with a gay person and is still a homophobe, you can just say, well, they just haven't learned enough yet.

Stop telling people what they need to believe. That's all I'm saying. If it doesn't affect the product they're putting out, it should be a non-issue.

[Chinook]

I guess youre right on that. Irrationality is probably worse tbh.

And it is perfectly within a companys or societys right to judge someone as a lesser person because they hate people with a certain skin color/sexual preference, especially if youre open about your hatred. Just like they choose to have their irrational beliefs we can choose to look down on them because of those beliefs.

Irrationality is much worse. Pretty much, it means that your brain is broken. It's like knowledge is the input into a computer and rationality is the program it's running. If the program's broken, no input can fix it.

It shouldn't be within a company's right to do that. Otherwise, what's to stop companies from using that same line of reasoning to prevent openly gay people from buying their goods or gaining employment with them? That's the kind of stuff we should be focusing on getting rid of (and are making progress on), not whether some person votes for same-sex marriage still believes being gay is a sin.

[Killakobe81]

You know what would help their cause more? Some closet flamer were to step in the ring and whup Jones in a UFc fight and his pillow biting partner run in to the ring to give him a congratulatory tonguing live on ppv ...Twitter might explode/melt that night.

[TDfan2007]

Morals aren't facts -- their opinions. Faith is perfectly acceptable as the basis of morals.

I didn't justify any social injustice. In fact, I specifically stated that laws should be formed to protect everyone's rights. But their shouldn't be a law to prevent people from being offended. That doesn't jive with rights theory.

It's like people miss the forest through the trees. The problem with the KKK (for example) isn't their beliefs; it's when they act on them. We don't have a right to control their beliefs just because we don't agree with them. That is a true social injustice. In the same way, it's an injustice to attack people for stating their opinions. It's not an injustice to belief someone's lifestyle is wrong.

*ding ding ding*

As an individual, you're entitled to your belief, be it illogical, ignorant, or otherwise, but once you start acting on those beliefs in a way that is harmful to others you've crossed a line.

As for this whole Collins thing. What he did is no more of a big deal than my neighbor coming out. In a society where bigotry exists, outing yourself as something that is different takes a certain level of bravery, but it ends there. He's not some shining example for athletes, since a) he was/is a scrub, b) never played, and c) hasn't really ever been in the public eye.

In short, WGAF?

[Proxy]

Hostility is not the same thing as disagreement. Do you think I am saying that teams should be allowed to prevent Collins from signing with them because he's gay? I'm not, not at all. But yes, players like Chris Culliver have every right to not like gay people if they choose. So long as he doesn't attack his teammate or ruin locker-room chemistry, it should be a non-issue. That's what it means to have a free society. You may think it's bullshit to support people's rights to be bigots, but don't try then to use arguments about freedom to support homosexuality. It words both ways.

And again, morals are not based on knowledge. You don't change morals by learning thing facts. You can change morals by experience, sure. But it's not like if someone spends a year with a gay person and is still a homophobe, you can just say, well, they just haven't learned enough yet.

Stop telling people what they need to believe. That's all I'm saying. If it doesn't affect the product they're putting out, it should be a non-issue.

I think you're too idealistic. Sure, if no one's getting hurt, you're spot on. That's not the case. Maybe in the nba, but not around the world.

[Chinook]

I think you're too idealistic. Sure, if no one's getting hurt, you're spot on. That's not the case. Maybe in the nba, but not around the world.

I'm not against campaigns to promote awareness of homosexuality and that champion gay rights at all. I am fine with having more gay people in leading roles (like movies and other aspects of culture). I think the government should punish employees who show signs of prejudice in their works places harshly. But it needs to stop at that type of action. We can't let the views of the majority trump the views of the minority simply because of the damage taking the minority view to the extreme might cause. No one deserves to be shunned for their beliefs; that's at the heart of the gay-rights movement.

Actions are another matter entirely. Hate crimes should be punished severely (which they are) and the government should make it clear that that will always be the case. But we can't use crime prevention as a justification of thought control. That's the same type of reasoning that leads to the conflicts in Minority Report and 1984. We have to take the good with the bad when it comes to allowing freedom of speech. That's the burden of a free society.

So if I could wave a magic wand and end all discrimination, I would. But because I can't do that, I feel that we have to protect all opinions and work on preventing conflict instead.

[Venti Quattro]

Don't drop the soap...

[AaronY]

Don't drop the soap...
Careful with the light hearted gay jokes, you homophobe..

[Venti Quattro]

Of course, I'm worse than these motherfuckers...

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[Jacob1983]

I don't see how this spare is a hero. What is heroic about telling people secrets? Are you going to tell me that this guy is on the same level as a doctor, soldier, cop, teacher, or paramedic? No fuckin' way. Wouldn't an NBA player want to be known and remembered because of their stats, records, and greatness rather than being known as a gay spare player?

[Venti Quattro]

I don't see how this spare is a hero. What is heroic about telling people secrets? Are you going to tell me that this guy is on the same level as a doctor, soldier, cop, teacher, or paramedic? No fuckin' way. Wouldn't an NBA player want to be known and remembered because of their stats, records, and greatness rather than being known as a gay spare player?

So that's why you're not admitting, even to yourself, that you're clinically depressed?

[DPG21920]

There is no reason to 'not believe' in homosexuality. Or to 'disagree/oppose' homsexuality. It exists and its part of this world, thats like if gay people said they dont believe in heterosexuality. Homophobic is just another word for ignorant tbh.

I don't get this at all? If you have a religious belief, of course there is a reason to oppose it or disagree with it. What that doesn't give you the right to do however is trample over someone's right. I don't agree with hating someone over something like that at all but tolerance is not celebration. It's acknowledgment that something other than what you believe exists and you accept that.

It's no different than me having a Jewish friend (I.E. different set of beliefs) but being able to see past that and appreciate that person. Or politics. Same thing.

[AaronY]

Ugh..the serious discussion itt makes me wanna open up a fucking vein..

Paragraphs upon paragraphs of saccharine, anti-insightful bullshit

[Proxy]

I'm not against campaigns to promote awareness of homosexuality and that champion gay rights at all. I am fine with having more gay people in leading roles (like movies and other aspects of culture). I think the government should punish employees who show signs of prejudice in their works places harshly. But it needs to stop at that type of action. We can't let the views of the majority trump the views of the minority simply because of the damage taking the minority view to the extreme might cause. No one deserves to be shunned for their beliefs; that's at the heart of the gay-rights movement.

Actions are another matter entirely. Hate crimes should be punished severely (which they are) and the government should make it clear that that will always be the case. But we can't use crime prevention as a justification of thought control. That's the same type of reasoning that leads to the conflicts in Minority Report and 1984. We have to take the good with the bad when it comes to allowing freedom of speech. That's the burden of a free society.

So if I could wave a magic wand and end all discrimination, I would. But because I can't do that, I feel that we have to protect all opinions and work on preventing conflict instead.

Jenny McCarthy can convince the country that vaccines cause autism and we open ourselves to epidemic. Her opinion is detrimental and entirely unsupported by any evidence whatsoever. People think global warming isn't real when they don't know the science. It's an opinion that humanity starts at conception. These are "opinions." I get the whole Minority Report thing, but that sentiment didn't stop the patriot act and some form of SOPA is always on deck. Look at the whole picture. You say 1984, and I say Brave New World. Putting real money into education is the key, tbh.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Ugh..the serious discussion itt makes me wanna open up a fucking vein..

Paragraphs upon paragraphs of saccharine, anti-insightful bullshit
Just wait till CryHavoc sees this thread and offers one of his uterine soliloquies

[Chinook]

Jenny McCarthy can convince the country that vaccines cause autism and we open ourselves to epidemic. Her opinion is detrimental and entirely unsupported by any evidence whatsoever. People think global warming isn't real when they don't know the science. It's an opinion that humanity starts at conception. These are "opinions." I get the whole Minority Report thing, but that sentiment didn't stop the patriot act and some form of SOPA is always on deck. Look at the whole picture. You say 1984, and I say Brave New World. Putting real money into education is the key, tbh.

Yeah, we agree there.

Are you aware of the Offense and Harms principles? They're philosophical curtailments on free speech. The Harms Principle says you don't have a right to say something that directly leads to the death or injury of others. That's the whole idea about not being about to shout fire in a theatre. The Offense Principle says you can't say something if it offends others. I believe in the Harms Principle, and I think McCarthy's campaign falls under that restriction. Just like I believe that KKK members inciting their troops to do violence is not protected by the first amendment.

But I think that's different from the idea of stopping homophobia to prevent anti-gay hate crimes. We should prevent people from urging others to attack gay people. But simply saying, "I don't want gay team members," like Culliver did isn't on that level. One's an incitement to harm and the other is just an opinion. We should educate people on that distinction as well as educating them on misconceptions.

And yes, I think the Patriot Act was a bad idea. I'm not championing any political platform here.

[DPG21920]

Ugh..the serious discussion itt makes me wanna open up a fucking vein..

Paragraphs upon paragraphs of saccharine, anti-insightful bullshit

No one cares what you think. Better?

[AaronY]

Just wait till CryHavoc sees this thread and offers one of his uterine soliloquies
lol guys like literally the biggest shit poster of all time. I honestly cannot believe you mentioned his name, and to top it off the guys massively in love with Caley Cuoco of all people. Dude worships her 5/10 ass like she's a cross between Kate Upton and prime Cindy Crawford because she's on some nerd show he watches

[Koolaid_Man]

I don't get this at all? If you have a religious belief, of course there is a reason to oppose it or disagree with it. What that doesn't give you the right to do however is trample over someone's right. I don't agree with hating someone over something like that at all but tolerance is not celebration. It's acknowledgment that something other than what you believe exists and you accept that.

It's no different than me having a Jewish friend (I.E. different set of beliefs) but being able to see past that and appreciate that person. Or politics. Same thing.

^ I do have a religious belief...a belief that betting is morally wrong. You can disagree with me but it doesn't give you the right to trample on that moral conviction. Same thing to as having a black internet friend you cannot pay his debts... You should be able to see past my swindle and appreciate me

[Chinook]

^ You gotta give him credit for trying. :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

I don't see how this spare is a hero. What is heroic about telling people secrets? Are you going to tell me that this guy is on the same level as a doctor, soldier, cop, teacher, or paramedic? No fuckin' way. Wouldn't an NBA player want to be known and remembered because of their stats, records, and greatness rather than being known as a gay spare player?

he's black (he forgot to mention ugly) and gay..theres nothing more salacious and juicy about a good dick in the booty story

[Proxy]

Yeah, we agree there.

Are you aware of the Offense and Harms principles? They're philosophical curtailments on free speech. The Harms Principle says you don't have a right to say something that directly leads to the death or injury of others. That's the whole idea about not being about to shout fire in a theatre. The Offense Principle says you can't say something if it offends others. I believe in the Harms Principle, and I think McCarthy's campaign falls under that restriction. Just like I believe that KKK members inciting their troops to do violence is not protected by the first amendment.

But I think that's different from the idea of stopping homophobia to prevent anti-gay hate crimes. We should prevent people from urging others to attack gay people. But simply saying, "I don't want gay team members," like Culliver did isn't on that level. One's an incitement to harm and the other is just an opinion. We should educate people on that distinction as well as educating them on misconceptions.

And yes, I think the Patriot Act was a bad idea. I'm not championing any political platform here.

The more you know... I'm aware of the first amendment being overridden in wartime, and the harms principle seems like common sense. The offense principle is interesting to me, but it seems like a difficult thing to enforce tbh. Again, I have no ideas regarding the legality of correcting homophobia or racism, but as long as people's lives are potentially ruined, I'll see the opinion as something far more destructive than someone's color preference.

I don't see why you wouldn't think homophobia should be stopped under the O&H principles when we hear things of people's psychological damage due to growing up gay... and stories of kids committing suicide. Those things are even bigger issues than marriage and serving in the army. One could argue that the people with these "opinions" are entirely responsible for some 14 year old killing themselves.

[Chinook]

The more you know... I'm aware of the first amendment being overridden in wartime, and the harms principle seems like common sense. The offense principle is interesting to me, but it seems like a difficult thing to enforce tbh. Again, I have no ideas regarding the legality of correcting homophobia or racism, but as long as people's lives are potentially ruined, I'll see the opinion as something far more destructive than someone's color preference.

I don't see why you wouldn't think homophobia should be stopped under the O&H principles when we hear things of people's psychological damage due to growing up gay... and stories of kids committing suicide. Those things are even bigger issues than marriage and serving in the army. One could argue that the people with these "opinions" are entirely responsible for some 14 year old killing themselves.

I see that as an indirect harm. It's not the words that are making the kids kill themselves; it's the lack of support by teachers and parents. Same reason why I don't have an issue with the N-word. I don't think the word defines me, so I don't take offense to it.

People should be taught to not associate themselves with slurs and to judge people on their actions, not their vocabulary. I think someone who says "Fags should be allowed to married," should be seen in a better light (from a character standpoint) than someone who says, "I don't think homosexual individuals should be allowed to marry." People get bullied for a lot of reasons, and some kids kill themselves due to multiple types of bullying (weight, race, religion). But we need to address that in the minds of the bullied, not in the minds of the bullies. Teaching people to accept themselves and that their sexual orientation (or whatever) is normal doesn't violate anyone's rights.

[Chinook]

Don't get me wrong, though. I'd beat the hell out of my kid if I heard of them bullying a kid based on their sexual orientation.

[HI-FI]

eww gross

:lmao


it's good to see the NBA Forum hasn't turned into the gay (no pun intended) claptrap of the Political Forum

[AaronY]

Go to your user profile and change your current activity to "gay bashing" HI-FI, you bigot homophobe

[Fpoonsie]

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[ezau]

Richard Jefferson is next. Wait, they were teammates with the Nets, right?

[Jacob1983]

I wonder if Richard Jefferson and Jason Collins slept in the same bed at hotel rooms on road trips? I'm sure they had a gay old time.

[lefty]

So Collins came out as both black AND gay ?


He is black ???????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KaiRMD1]

Good for him

[The Reckoning]

so he loves the cock, who cares?

non issue.

[racm]

No wonder he was always willing to tangle with other big men in the paint, tbh...

[Monster1776]

So that's why you're not admitting, even to yourself, that you're clinically depressed?
Honestly who wouldn't be? In this economy with all the wars, shootings, and bombings and general shit going on? You'd have to be living in another fucking universe like those Hollywood stars or pro athletes and even they can't stop overdosing on all sorts of shit and putting a gun to their mouth.

[Monster1776]

So Collins came out as both black AND gay ?


He is black ???????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No he has re-vitiligo. You know, that disease that Micheal Jackson had? The lucky bastard. There's no such thing as a black gay guy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3llepgDjVww

[JohnnyMax]

Chris Broussard goes Bible Kemp on Jason Collins

jcmR86Ihakk

[spurraider21]

I will present the non NBA response.

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So at one point him and RJ were on the same team


nigga, they still are on the same team, if you know what I mean.


And lol all the people hyping this saying the exact same thing: "hopefully one day this won't be such a big deal. In the meantime, let's make this the biggest story in the sports world."


I'm still waiting for the first WNBA player to come out as straight imo

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[spurraider21]

Chris Broussard, Tim Hardaway, and Rob Parker should have a podcast together tbh

[rayjayjohnson]

It takes almost as much courage to come out of the closet like this, as it does for someone to get on all fours and take a big one in the backdoor.
:lmao

[lebomb]

Dickin a dude in the ass is just gottdayum awful, but dickin a chick in the ass is like winning the powerball lotto.

[Latarian Milton]

if i were such an obscure scrub in NBA whose playing career is approaching the end, i would also come out of the close in order to make people know me and remember me, and i'd probably even pretend like one even if i was not really a fag

[jag]

I just think the inevitable "wait, you don't absolutely love gays?!! Well then you're a bigot or an idiot sir!" type of stuff will get annoying. I fully support people living their life how they want and have male and female gay friends that I've known/continue to know but I have my own beliefs as well.

As long as you don't hate people or push your beliefs down their throats, you shouldn't have to celebrate their lifestyle to be open-minded and supportive.


I don't get this at all? If you have a religious belief, of course there is a reason to oppose it or disagree with it. What that doesn't give you the right to do however is trample over someone's right. I don't agree with hating someone over something like that at all but tolerance is not celebration. It's acknowledgment that something other than what you believe exists and you accept that.

It's no different than me having a Jewish friend (I.E. different set of beliefs) but being able to see past that and appreciate that person. Or politics. Same thing.

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It's not enough to respect another person's beliefs or lifestyle, you are now expected to openly celebrate those things. It has become a strange competition among people to see who can be more openly "tolerant." This makes it difficult to determine the amount of sincerity involved when the issue of homosexual equality is discussed. It seems that many times it isn't even about gay people anymore, or whether they are treated with respect and equality. It has just become an opportunity for TV and radio personalities to demonstrate how "progressive" and "forward thinking" they are.

[Red Hawk #21]

Nothing Broussard said was wrong, yet I fully expect for him to lose his job over those comments. It's amazing how freedom of speech has become extremely one-sided nowadays. You no longer have the right to even disagree...anyway Broussard needs to start looking for another job asap tbh

[YoMamaIsCallin]

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It's not enough to respect another person's beliefs or lifestyle, you are now expected to openly celebrate those things. It has become a strange competition among people to see who can be more openly "tolerant." This makes it difficult to determine the amount of sincerity involved when the issue of homosexual equality is discussed. It seems that many times it isn't even about gay people anymore, or whether they are treated with respect and equality. It has just become an opportunity for TV and radio personalities to demonstrate how "progressive" and "forward thinking" they are.

There is a lot of truth in what you say. In my opinion there are significant hidden agendas involved that have to do with money and power. Money, because the news/entertainment industries can get readers/viewers (and therefore revenue) by promoting/celebrating gay rights and by labeling/denigrating anti-gay people and beliefs. Power, because focusing on group differences is a way to energize political activism and therefore getting your party in office.

For example, I am a contributing member of the Human Rights Campaign (http://www.hrc.org), as a straight supporter. However, a significant number of the emails/posts I see from them are about political support of the Democratic party, rather than just about LGBT rights.

And, are you as sick as I am about the movie-of-the-month that's cranked out about the poor gay/lesbian/transexual and the struggles they face? GMAFB OK? Lots of gay people are living their lives just fine, thanks.

ON THE OTHER HAND: That does NOT mean that having anti-gay views is OK. Just because the other side isn't 100% crystal clean and pure doesn't mean that your side is justified.

[Red Hawk #21]

Oh and btw when Jason Collins gets released from the Wizards then he can say :cry they didn't want me because I'm Gay :cry. No bro it's cause you're garbage and always have been garbage.

[Killakobe81]

Nothing Broussard said was wrong, yet I fully expect for him to lose his job over those comments. It's amazing how freedom of speech has become extremely one-sided nowadays. You no longer have the right to even disagree...anyway Broussard needs to start looking for another job asap tbh

But the thing is he was asked on the show to express his views ...he does and he gets crucified for it. The hypocrisy of it all is many of our laws are rooted in religous moral code ...many humans morals are driven by their spirtual upbringing. So because his religous views are not "enlightened" he may get fired for that? Makes no sense.
Like I said last night though he is dumbass .... his hoop takes are shite ...and knowing how the PC police are and the vigor in activisim behind gay rights ...he should not have took the bait and espoused his views in a national forum.
He should stick to what he is good at sucking off Lebron and clinging to his "sources" ...and spitballing rumors.

But again Collins is being applauded for sharing his lifestyle choice but Brousard condemned for his religous beliefs.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol a thread full of jeebotards complaing about gay people
lol religious people incapable of hiding their true colors
lol bible thumpers being the most hateful people in this country

[Killakobe81]

And another thing missed that I know the more "enlightened" won't admit is that in this "culture" of sport ... I bet at least 50% of the players and maybe even more of teh general fans do NOT believe that a gay player is as good as a straight one. A star player that comes out and that fails to be agressive or plays a passive role or loses to a more traditional "macho" player like Lebron ...it will further the stereotypes.

Jason collins just took a baby step. NBA, NFL, MLB needs (Well the LGBT?) a Martina Navatrilota(?) type player to show that they compete on equal footing with hetero players to help break down those walls. I joked last night about a homo beating Jon Jones in UFC ...but tbh that is what is needed to change the perception of them being soft or less capable. I know that sounds neanderthallish to some but is the reality of high level sports. The Rutgers coach was just caught on tape plenty of coaches and players feel that way.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

And another thing missed that I know the more "enlightened" won't admit is that in this "culture" of sport ... I bet at least 50% of the players and maybe even more of teh general fans do NOT believe that a gay player is as good as a straight one. A star player that comes out and that fails to be agressive or plays a passive role or loses to a more traditional "macho" player like Lebron ...it will further the stereotypes.

Jason collins just took a baby step. NBA, NFL, MLB needs (Well the LGBT?) a Martina Navatrilota(?) type player to show that they compete on equal footing with hetero players to help break down those walls. I joked last night about a homo beating Jon Jones in UFC ...but tbh that is what is needed to change the perception of them being soft or less capable. I know that sounds neanderthallish to some but is the reality of high level sports. The Rutgers coach was just caught on tape plenty of coaches and players feel that way.

Jon Jones himself is probably gay as nearly all UFC fighters are. Straight men don't enjoy roling around on the floor with other men while wearing spandex.