daaaaamn, student goes off on teacher| was he right or wrong?

[Trill Clinton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12ZRuM8UtDA

[Avante]

That little shit needs his ass kicked.

[CubanSucks]

"Hey maybe if I go off on the teacher the black people will like me!"

[Trill Clinton]

an ass kicking from who and why?

[Avante]

an ass kicking from who and why?

From another student and there are right/wrong ways to do things. He should have asked the teacher if he could talk to her after class/in private and explain his situation to her. To go off like some monkey in heat, nay!

[CubanSucks]

And he didn't even make a good point. Those lazy fucking shits don't do their work so it must be the fault of the teacher? I would say it's the responsibility of the parents to motivate but that's a joke

[Trill Clinton]

yea he was out of line cursing at the teacher, but i applaud him for his desire to learn. bout time these lazy teachers get called out.

[Trill Clinton]

Those lazy fucking shits don't do their work so it must be the fault of the teacher?


you go to that school?

[CubanSucks]

you go to that school?


bout time these lazy teachers get called out.

You in that class?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

yea he was out of line cursing at the teacher, but i applaud him for his desire to learn. bout time these lazy teachers get called out.
It's total bullshit he had some desire to learn. He's a lazy douchebag blaming the teachers style for his laziness. It's something that happens all the time, this kid is nothing special.

[jeebus]

what an attention whore. if he has problems with the teacher, take it up after class.

[Avante]

yea he was out of line cursing at the teacher, but i applaud him for his desire to learn. bout time these lazy teachers get called out.

We know absolutely nothing about her or the situation, all we know is some long hair will probably have a very hard time adjusting to any situation.

[Big Empty]

just so yall know it was knitting class

[Trill Clinton]

It's total bullshit he had some desire to learn. He's a lazy douchebag blaming the teachers style for his laziness. It's something that happens all the time, this kid is nothing special.

aight, i think you guys have pegged the kid as a wigger so ya'll are biased. anyways, i've seen kids blow up on teachers for not wanting to do their work and being insubordinate. never seen them blow up for wanting to do work. if that's common then that means a lot of teachers aint shit.

[Trill Clinton]

just so yall know it was knitting class

linear algebra

[jeebus]

just so yall know it was knitting class
I heard it was study hall

[DJR210]

This is a smart kid TBH. He did not say anything disrespectful (didnt hear him cuss), and still made his point. I'm a call center manager/trainer and what he is saying about the difference in learning styles is SPOT ON. I have some employees that I can task w/ reading some information and they will pick it up no problem, while others need the visuals or the hands on approach.

That teacher probably sits at her desk most of the day, and this guy had the balls to call her out.

[Avante]

aight, i think you guys have pegged the kid as a wigger so ya'll are biased. anyways, i've seen kids blow up on teachers for not wanting to do their work and being insubordinate. never seen them blow up for wanting to do work. if that's common then that means a lot of teachers aint shit.

It is simply too damn obvious that the kid has some problems, very obvious. To use him/this situation as some sign of anything other than some punk ass kid with a big fucking mouth, nay!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

aight, i think you guys have pegged the kid as a wigger so ya'll are biased. anyways, i've seen kids blow up on teachers for not wanting to do their work and being insubordinate. never seen them blow up for wanting to do work. if that's common then that means a lot of teachers aint shit.
Na fam that really gay hair means he's not a wigger but a different stereotype you see plenty of with white kids :lol

He's the type who grows his hair really long to rebel against his parents who've spoiled him his entire life and goes around ranting about how sophisticated he has and he's simply too sophisticated to ever do his homework or pay attention in class. The type that's really angry at the world when he has no reason to be.

[Avante]

This is a smart kid TBH. He did not say anything disrespectful, and still made his point. I'm a call center manager/trainer and what he is saying about the difference in learning styles in SPOT ON. I have some employees that I can task w/ reading some information and they will pick it up no problem, while others need the visuals or the hands on approach.

That teacher probably sits at her desk most of the day, and this guy had the balls to call her out.

Once again a right and wrong way to go about it. Let him try that on the job, the police. The kid has no class and no idea how to act.

[Blake]

He's so concerned about his fellow students that he disrupted their learning with his rant.

Neat.

[DJR210]

It is simply too damn obvious that the kid has some problems, very obvious. To use him/this situation as some sign of anything other than some punk ass kid with a big fucking mouth, nay!

You're right he does have problems. Based on the video his problem is his teacher is in the habit of passing out a handout and tasking him to read and comprehend. This does not work with every individual.

[Avante]

You're right he does have problems. Based on the video his problem is his teacher is in the habit of passing out a handout and tasking him to read and comprehend. This does not work with every individual.

As we know these teachers don't have the luxury of being about to zero in on the individual. It's not about his displeasure anyway, it's about his inability to conduct himself properly to get the best results.

[SA210]

Kid deserves props. tbh. The one curse word or so came from emotion but all in all, he spoke the truth instead of a crazy tirade about nothing. And it needed to be said to the school system as a whole, on a grand scale. So, maybe he could have asked to speak to her in private, but this video has now gone viral and the message is now out there and the conversation is taking place because of it. The public school system sucks in major ways. I have all respect for teachers, but there are many things that need major improvement. I give him a pass for doing it the way he did since the message is out to so many. I'll take that sacrifice. In some instances you have to just say "F authority", for the bigger picture. Even if he is a trouble maker that we don't know about, the message was a great one. Good teachers deserve backing, bad teachers and the school system take notice and make a change.

:tu Good kid, major props.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

As we know these teachers don't have the luxury of being about to zero in on the individual. It's not about his displeasure anyway, it's about his inability to conduct himself properly to get the best results.
Yeah exactly I don't necessarily disagree with what he was saying just the context of it.

I also don't understand why people can't just accept high school for what it is. Yes, it's a bunch of lazy underpaid teachers who make learning about as boring as possible and most of the stuff you learn will be totally useless in the real world. Yeah, there are much better things you could be doing with 4 years but it is what it is. We all had to go through it and make the most out of it. It was much better for some than for others, but it's a part of life.

[DJR210]

As we know these teachers don't have the luxury of being about to zero in on the individual. It's not about his displeasure anyway, it's about his inability to conduct himself properly to get the best results.

The kid is passionate about his education, and we do not know what the teacher said to provoke this reaction. Yes, the professional way to handle this would have been to pull his teacher aside, but this is a kid, no professional. If anything the teacher should have taken ownership of the situation and asked to see the student in the hall. Unfair to judge w/o knowing what the led to the outburst. If the way she handled herself in this scenario (glued to her chair) is any indicator, then I can imagine how he handles herself w/ teaching her curriculum.

[Trill Clinton]

Na fam that really gay hair means he's not a wigger but a different stereotype you see plenty of with white kids :lol

He's the type who grows his hair really long to rebel against his parents who've spoiled him his entire life and goes around ranting about how sophisticated he has and he's simply too sophisticated to ever do his homework or pay attention in class. The type that's really angry at the world when he has no reason to be.

the dickie suit and all red shoes gave me the wigger vibe :p:

[Avante]

Kid deserves props. tbh. The one curse word or so came from emotion but all in all, he spoke the truth instead of a crazy tirade about nothing. And it needed to be said to the school system as a whole, on a grand scale. So, maybe he could have asked to speak to her in private, but this video has now gone viral and the message is now out there and the conversation is taking place because of it. The public school system sucks in major ways. I have all respect for teachers, but there are many things that need major improvement. I give him a pass for doing it the way he did since the message is out to so many. I'll take that sacrifice. In some instances you have to just say "F authority", for the bigger picture. Even if he is a trouble maker that we don't know about, the message was a great one. Good teachers deserve backing, bad teachers and the school system take notice and make a change.

:tu Good kid, major props.

Totally disagree.

[Blake]

Kid deserves props. tbh. The one curse word or so came from emotion but all in all, he spoke the truth instead of a crazy tirade about nothing. And it needed to be said to the school system as a whole, on a grand scale. So, maybe he could have asked to speak to her in private, but this video has now gone viral and the message is now out there and the conversation is taking place because of it. The public school system sucks in major ways. I have all respect for teachers, but there are many things that need major improvement. I give him a pass for doing it the way he did since the message is out to so many. I'll take that sacrifice. In some instances you have to just say "F authority", for the bigger picture. Even if he is a trouble maker that we don't know about, the message was a great one. Good teachers deserve backing, bad teachers and the school system take notice and make a change.

:tu Good kid, major props.

lol good kid

You are such a gullible shill.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol anyone who thinks that kid is passionate about his education

lol people who fall for the long hair = really sophisticated! bullshit

lol willing to bet that kid's GPA is hovering around a 2.0

[Avante]

Yeah exactly I don't necessarily disagree with what he was saying just the context of it.

I also don't understand why people can't just accept high school for what it is. Yes, it's a bunch of lazy underpaid teachers who make learning about as boring as possible and most of the stuff you learn will be totally useless in the real world. Yeah, there are much better things you could be doing with 4 years but it is what it is. We all had to go through it and make the most out of it. It was much better for some than for others, but it's a part of life.

It's simply part of the process, we had to deal with it. Not unlike taking your drivers test. To try and battle the system, why? It's not going to change because of you.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It's simply part of the process, we had to deal with it. Not unlike taking your drivers test. To try and battle the system, why? It's not going to change because of you.
Exactly. You're not gonna change it as a random high school student. If that kid is truly so passionate about what he said (lol anyone who thinks he is), he should get straight As, go to a good college, and run for fuckin congress.

[InRareForm]

Kid Rock JR. gotta chill

[Avante]

The kid is passionate about his education, and we do not know what the teacher said to provoke this reaction. Yes, the professional way to handle this would have been to pull his teacher aside, but this is a kid, no professional. If anything the teacher should have taken ownership of the situation and asked to see the student in the hall. Unfair to judge w/o knowing what the led to the outburst. If the way she handled herself in this scenario (glued to her chair) is any indicator, then I can imagine how he handles herself w/ teaching her curriculum.

I saw some smartass kid be damn lucky he was in a womans class running his mouth. I have no doubts he has a problem with authority.

[Thebesteva]

High school was a real hard time man...it was hard to focus with all the fighting and bullying I was doing.

[Trill Clinton]

It's simply part of the process, we had to deal with it. Not unlike taking your drivers test. To try and battle the system, why? It's not going to change because of you.

that's an excellent point, avante.

[DJR210]

I saw some smartass kid be damn lucky he was in a womans class running his mouth. I have no doubts he has a problem with authority.

So you're implying a male teacher would have roughed him up or what? Lol.

[Avante]

Exactly. You're not gonna change it as a random high school student. If that kid is truly so passionate about what he said (lol anyone who thinks he is), he should get straight As, go to a good college, and run for fuckin congress.

I see him ending up at some dead in job trying to make ends meet while feeding a wife who can't stand his mouth and a few kids and none look like him.

[Reck]

just so yall know it was knitting class

:lmao

I was wondering if it was film class or something with all the movie posters.

[Avante]

So you're implying a male teacher would have roughed him up or what? Lol.

I'm not so sure we would have seen that outburst if there had of been a male teacher. Would you have taken that bullshit, me either. It would have been...

me...excuse me class (then) follow me big mouth.

Yep, principles office.

[SA210]

It's simply part of the process, we had to deal with it. Not unlike taking your drivers test. To try and battle the system, why? It's not going to change because of you.

I completely disagree. Many changes in the world have come about because someone stood up. If everyone had the mentality of your statement here, nothing would ever change. Just look at how much attention his message has gotten already. Who knows what will happen, but let's not pretend this has done nothing when its all over the place now. I disagree with the attitude of, "That's how things are, let it be". That conformist attitude is dangerous and is what helps to dumb down America, no disrespect. MLK didn't live by that standard and definitely didn't teach others to live by that standard. Authority is NOT always a good thing. Sometimes people just have to speak up, even if their isn't change. Maybe he got ISS for this, or something, but that's the sacrifice with speaking up. 1st Amendment, it's what America is supposed to be all about. It may come with consequences, but it's his right, whether you agree with it or not. As I said, his message is out there now, on a grand scale. Props to him :tu

[Blake]

I completely disagree. Many changes in the world have come about because someone stood up. If everyone had the mentality of your statement here, nothing would ever change. Just look at how much attention his message has gotten already. Who knows what will happen, but let's not pretend this has done nothing when its all over the place now. I disagree with the attitude of, "That's how things are, let it be". That conformist attitude is dangerous and is what helps to dumb down America, no disrespect. MLK didn't live by that standard and definitely didn't teach others to live by that standard. Authority is NOT always a good thing. Sometimes people just have to speak up, even if their isn't change. Maybe he got ISS for this, or something, but that's the sacrifice with speaking up. 1st Amendment, it's what America is supposed to be all about. It may come with consequences, but it's his right, whether you agree with it or not. As I said, his message is out there now, on a grand scale. Props to him :tu

lol comparing this kid to MLK.

you're retarded

[JoeTait75]

I saw some smartass kid be damn lucky he was in a womans class running his mouth. I have no doubts he has a problem with authority.

He's lucky teachers aren't allowed to discipline their students anymore. If he'd tried this act on a male teacher in the '50s or '60s he'd have gotten slammed up against a locker.

I don't agree that teachers are underpaid (with all due respect to them they do well economically and get great bennies) but they've got a ton on their plate and work ridiculous hours. They only have so much time to tailor things to individuals. Students need to motivate themselves, and they have every opportunity to learn on their own if need be.

[JoeTait75]

I'm not so sure we would have seen that outburst if there had of been a male teacher. Would you have taken that bullshit, me either. It would have been...

me...excuse me class (then) follow me big mouth.

Yep, principles office.

Male or female, teachers don't have much leeway these days when it comes to imposing real discipline on their students.

[Avante]

I completely disagree. Many changes in the world have come about because someone stood up. If everyone had the mentality of your statement here, nothing would ever change. Just look at how much attention his message has gotten already. Who knows what will happen, but let's not pretend this has done nothing when its all over the place now. I disagree with the attitude of, "That's how things are, let it be". That conformist attitude is dangerous and is what helps to dumb down America, no disrespect. MLK didn't live by that standard and definitely didn't teach others to live by that standard. Authority is NOT always a good thing. Sometimes people just have to speak up, even if their isn't change. Maybe he got ISS for this, or something, but that's the sacrifice with speaking up. 1st Amendment, it's what America is supposed to be all about. It may come with consequences, but it's his right, whether you agree with it or not. As I said, his message is out there now, on a grand scale. Props to him :tu

Nope on all levels and only some dumb fuck would think it isn't.

First of all what rights do minors have? It's us the parents who are held responsible and what parent is going to be cool having an idiot son? Nobody is talking abouit ...this nation....and all that shit, we are talking about some punkass kid running his mouth when he should have made arrangements to discus things with his teacher.

Let a 15 year old kid decide to quit school and watch what happens.

[SA210]

lol comparing this kid to MLK.

you're retarded

I actually didn't, liar. Your anger consumes you too much.

I simply spoke of the message of MLK, but I'm not surprised you would twist it into something else because you felt you got schooled. It's expected. Move along now and allow a real conversation to continue without your angry trolling attempts. Thanks :tu

[Avante]

Male or female, teachers don't have much leeway these days when it comes to imposing real discipline on their students.

It's a little different deal running down some lady than it is a guy who could totally whip your ass.

[SA210]

Nope on all levels and only some dumb fuck would think it isn't.

First of all what rights do minors have? It's us the parents who are held responsible and what parent is going to be cool having an idiot son? Nobody is talking abouit ...this nation....and all that shit, we are talking about some punkasss kid running his mouth when he should have made arrangements to discus things with his teacher.

Let a 15 year old kid decide to quit school and watch what happens.

Had the kid been calling her a bitch and threatening her or other students, I would agree with you. But that isn't the case. He was talking about something with a real message. I respect that. He's only a punk kid in YOUR eyes bc you are a conformist and you see things that way. There are major punk ass kids in the world that are very stupid and do much worse that deserve to be slapped down. His parents should talk to him about talking to the teacher in private or talking to her superiors instead in a slightly more respectful manner, but they shouldn't be anything but proud of him. I think you don't like how he looks, and you are of the belief that he should just shut up period just bc he is a kid, regardless of what he is saying. I disagree with that considering he is not being threatening and not just making up random bs. He's just kicking knowledge a little out of line by doing it in front of everyone. But like I said, it was good bc it went viral and people are talking about the problem he speaks of. I'm not talking about a kid quitting school btw, I'm talking about a kid speaking about not being taught by a teacher in a building for teaching and learning.

[baseline bum]

Kid's got a point if the teacher is just giving out busywork, which is what high school mostly is. Here, do 50 of the exact same algebra problem until you fucking hate the subject as much as the teacher does.

[Suspect]

This is a smart kid TBH. He did not say anything disrespectful (didnt hear him cuss), and still made his point. I'm a call center manager/trainer and what he is saying about the difference in learning styles is SPOT ON. I have some employees that I can task w/ reading some information and they will pick it up no problem, while others need the visuals or the hands on approach.

That teacher probably sits at her desk most of the day, and this guy had the balls to call her out.

[ColinB]

Sounds like he is performing spoken word.

[jag]

It's total bullshit he had some desire to learn. He's a lazy douchebag blaming the teachers style for his laziness. It's something that happens all the time, this kid is nothing special.

Once you reach a certain age, you are responsible for your own education. He's not 10 years old. You can't blame teachers for not caring enough about how well you have learned the material.

We've all had bad teachers, teachers who just didn't give a damn. But no teacher has ever stopped me from reading, or researching, or studying. If you have access to the Internet and a desire to learn, no one is going to stop you from learning. The teacher didn't teach class the way he wanted so he acted like a retard in the middle class. I'm not sure how that's supposed to help him learn. If he feels that strongly about it, he could have discussed his issues privately with the teacher before or after class.

[ColinB]

By the way, I back the kid. Kicking a kid out of class for asking questions? Come on.

[DJR210]

He's lucky teachers aren't allowed to discipline their students anymore. If he'd tried this act on a male teacher in the '50s or '60s he'd have gotten slammed up against a locker.

I don't agree that teachers are underpaid (with all due respect to them they do well economically and get great bennies) but they've got a ton on their plate and work ridiculous hours. They only have so much time to tailor things to individuals. Students need to motivate themselves, and they have every opportunity to learn on their own if need be.

Hell no they are underpaid. They are like cops, they will continue to claim they are underpaid when in reality they make a pretty comfortable living that will allow them to have a decent lifestyle.

Let's not forget teachers also have the luxury of a three month paid break every year, which doesn't require alot of prep for the following school year until about a week before the start.

[DJR210]

It's a little different deal running down some lady than it is a guy who could totally whip your ass.

Dude, get with the times, or a modern country. It makes no difference the sex of the teacher, physicality has nothing to do with this scenario. Maybe you would get whooped for this type of shit in North Korea.

[Avante]

Dude, get with the times, or a modern country. It makes no difference the sex of the teacher, physicality has nothing to do with this scenario. Maybe you would get whooped for this type of shit in North Korea.

Totally up on the times since I live in the same times. What did the kid think that female teacher would do, yep...nothing. Don't tell me he's that confident with a male teacher, trust me...he isn't. Are you saying we haven't had teachers jump bad on students, hell yes we have.

I would have....for somebody constantly late with their homework, has to be baby sat, you sure got a big mouth. Why not tell the classs what your grade average is, wanna go there? Look Johnny, if you're really worried about this then how about paying attention in class once in awhile....ok?

[The Reckoning]

gah fuck high school. what a waste of time.

[DJR210]

Totally up on the times since I live in the same times. What did the kid think that female teacher would do, yep...nothing. Don't tell me he's that confident with a male teacher, trust me...he isn't. Are you saying we haven't had teachers jump bad on students, hell yes we have.


So in your mind you think all students are automatically scared of male teachers? Do some research online about teachers who have been assaulted and provide us with some stats based on the sex of the teacher.

[mingus]

Teachers should be the second line of defense to inspire kids to learn. In the hood, it's the first, so I guess I can see where he's coming from.

[Avante]

So in your mind you think there that all students are automatically scared of male teachers? Do some research online about teachers who have been assaulted and provide us with some stats based on the sex of the teacher.


So in your mind you really think punk ass kids talk the same to dad as they do mom?

Easy to run your mouth when you are 100% certain you are safe, as opposed to not being so sure.

[Blake]

I actually didn't, liar. Your anger consumes you too much.

I simply spoke of the message of MLK, but I'm not surprised you would twist it into something else because you felt you got schooled. It's expected. Move along now and allow a real conversation to continue without your angry trolling attempts. Thanks :tu

I'm not angry at all, liar.

The honest truth is that you are a thin skinned pussy.

[SA210]

I'm angry and a liar.

The honest truth is that I'm a thin skinned pussy.

[Blake]

Sure

Lopez gif on me :cry

[DJR210]

So in your mind you really think punk ass kids talk the same to dad as they do mom?

Easy to run your mouth when you are 100% certain you are safe, as opposed to not being so sure.

Wow. You are seriously not all there Avante. I could have a more meaningful debate with a tree. How the hell are you going to flip the script into a kid disrespecting his mother/father? We are talking about school here.

[baseline bum]

gah fuck high school. what a waste of time.

When you get to college it's initially such a shock to the system to have to think and question things after having gone through and gotten used to 4 years of mindless highschool busywork. High school is for the most part day care center to keep kids from robbing adults' homes in the day.

[DJR210]

Wow. You are seriously not all there Avante. I could have a more meaningful debate with a tree. How the hell are you going to flip the script into a kid disrespecting his mother/father? We are talking about school here. And I don't know about your family, but my Mom and Grandma used to smack me when I got out of line. They hit me more than my Dad ever did.

[Avante]

Wow. You are seriously not all there Avante. I could have a more meaningful debate with a tree. How the hell are you going to flip the script into a kid disrespecting his mother/father? We are talking about school here.

You seriously aren't getting it.

Pay attention...

How do we know what the kids thinks about women in an authoritave position? How do we know if he was dealing with a male teacher he feels comfortable expoding like that? Don't be a fool and think there is no difference, hell yes there is. I respected my male teachers far more. I also knew they weren't gonna take any shit, yep just like mom and dad.

[DJR210]

You seriously aren't getting it.

Pay attention...

How do we know what the kids thinks about women in an authoritave position? How do we know if he was dealing with a male teacher he feels comfortable expoding like that? Don't be a fool and think there is no difference, hell yes there is. I respected my male teachers far more. I also knew they weren't gonna take any shit, yep just like mom and dad.

Like I said. Do some research and update us on the sex of teachers who have been assaulted by students and we'll go from there.

[Suspect]

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2013/05/duncanville-high-school-student-lecturing-his-history-teacher-in-the-classroom-goes-viral.html/

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Kid's got a point if the teacher is just giving out busywork, which is what high school mostly is. Here, do 50 of the exact same algebra problem until you fucking hate the subject as much as the teacher does.

The real busy work comes in English classes when they assign essay after essay about stuff like, "Analyze the symbolism of the slut letting the old man suck her tit at the end of the Grapes of Wrath" that no one in the class gives a shit about :lol

[Avante]

Like I said. Do some research and update us on the sex of teachers who have been assaulted by students and we'll go from there.

Prove me wrong.

http://www.onlineuniversities.com/blog/2012/07/would-more-male-teachers-more-respect-education/

We all know it's a lot different when dad tells you do it than when mom does. These kids are programmed that way.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Once you reach a certain age, you are responsible for your own education. He's not 10 years old. You can't blame teachers for not caring enough about how well you have learned the material.

We've all had bad teachers, teachers who just didn't give a damn. But no teacher has ever stopped me from reading, or researching, or studying. If you have access to the Internet and a desire to learn, no one is going to stop you from learning. The teacher didn't teach class the way he wanted so he acted like a retard in the middle class. I'm not sure how that's supposed to help him learn. If he feels that strongly about it, he could have discussed his issues privately with the teacher before or after class.
Truth bombs tbh.

Before anyone pulls the "visual learner!" excuse there's tons of free media you can find on the internet. Even still, if absorbing information via reading is such a daunting, miserable task for someone because they're a "visual learner!" the real world is gonna be a rough place for them.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

My big complaint about current day public high school is the cirriculum needs to be modernized. Having 4 years of English classes where you learn to write long, drawn out literature analysis is counterproductive in a world where people want quick and easy information. It's totally backwards that high schools require 4 years of English and 1-2 years of math when all the jobs available in this country are technical. There should be 4 required years of math and a math curriculum integrated with basic computer programming skills and only 2 years of English required.

Also given the fat state of this country there should be mandatory 4 years of PE.

[Avante]

Sure run by the wars, but not the battles, get more into auto mechanics, gardening, how to work on things, save the voodoo math for college. Teach things we really need to know, and it's not what General won the battle of.....who really cares? Way too much time spent on total bullshit nobody will ever use. Geography a must. Hell more on nutrition and diet.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Sure run by the wars, but not the battles, get more into auto mechanics, gardening, how to work on things, save the voodoo math for college. Teach things we really need to know, and it's not what General won the battle of.....who really cares? Way too much time spent on total bullshit nobody wil lever use.

What exactly is voodoo math?

The fact is, employers in this country want people with math skill whether or not it's directly related to the job. When you have to take higher level math it's not just your skill in those areas of math that improve, you become a much better criticial and quantitative thinker in general and appear a lot more trainable to employers. Most employers hiring for finance jobs will tell you they'd much rather hire someone with a strong background in math lacking in finance knowledge than someone with a background in finance who's weak in math. Most employers for tech jobs will tell you that training computer programmers/engineers with a weak background in math is extremely difficult. In fact a lot of companies now hire tons of math majors right out of school and invest in training them knowing that they'll easily pick everything up. The better you are at math, the easier it is to find a job in today's economy.

[CuckingFunt]

Entitled kid throwing a temper tantrum. Shocking!

And he did so while looking like an idiot ("don't try to take credibility for teaching me junk!"). Even more shockinger!


yea he was out of line cursing at the teacher, but i applaud him for his desire to learn. bout time these lazy teachers get called out.

A desire to learn isn't typically shown by storming out of class.


Yes, the professional way to handle this would have been to pull his teacher aside

On what planet? That would have been horribly inappropriate, too. It's not a kid's place to let a teacher know they're doing their job wrong. Even if/when they are. What would have been appropriate, IF he was genuinely concerned about the teacher's methods (and I'm not even a little bit convinced he was), would have been to calmly and intelligently share his concerns with his parents and/or the principal.

[Avante]

What exactly is voodoo math?

The fact is, employers in this country want people with math skill whether or not it's directly related to the job. When you have to take higher level math it's not just your skill in those areas of math that improve, you become a much better criticial and quantitative thinker in general and appear a lot more trainable to employers. Most employers hiring for finance jobs will tell you they'd much rather hire someone with a strong background in math lacking in finance knowledge than someone with a background in finance who's weak in math. Most employers for tech jobs will tell you that training computer programmers/engineers with a weak background in math is extremely difficult. In fact a lot of companies now hire tons of math majors right out of school and invest in training them knowing that they'll easily pick everything up. The better you are at math, the easier it is to find a job in today's economy.

So what % of kids will go on to become one of those you are talking about?

[Woo Bum-kon]

Way too much time spent on total bullshit nobody will ever use.

I just OD'd on irony.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So what % of kids will go on to become one of those you are talking about?

What % of kids will work in finance and/or computer related jobs? I'd say a very high percentage given the landscape of the economy. Most of them will be jobs that have fairly mundaine work with only fair pay, but they're much better jobs than what current day HS grads get.

[Avante]

I just OD'd on irony.

Dude, talk about the topic for once, ok? Nice little thread going here nobody needs your retarded ass fucking it up, got it?

Don't bother responding, done~~~~~

[Avante]

What % of kids will work in finance and/or computer related jobs? I'd say a very high percentage given the landscape of the economy. Most of them will be jobs that have fairly mundaine work with only fair pay, but they're much better jobs than what current day HS grads get.

What about the kids who simply don't get it? The math is over their head. Shouldn't they be taught things we all will need to know? Not everyone is a math wiz.

[CuckingFunt]

My big complaint about current day public high school is the cirriculum needs to be modernized. Having 4 years of English classes where you learn to write long, drawn out literature analysis is counterproductive in a world where people want quick and easy information. It's totally backwards that high schools require 4 years of English and 1-2 years of math when all the jobs available in this country are technical. There should be 4 required years of math and a math curriculum integrated with basic computer programming skills and only 2 years of English required.

Also given the fat state of this country there should be mandatory 4 years of PE.

Only one or two years of required math? Has high school changed that much since I went?

And I think there should absolutely be four years of English required in high school, but I think those four years should be spent doing something more than book reports. There should be absolutely no reason for students who've made it into college to begin their first year completely ignorant of basic grammar, academic writing structure, and critical thinking skills, all three of which are SORELY lacking at the undergraduate level.

[jag]

Also given the fat state of this country there should be mandatory 4 years of PE.

With personalized workouts based on body fat%. The fatties don't get to play dodge ball. They get 30-minute HIIT sessions (guys) and spin class (girls).

[Avante]

The bottom line....

It really doesn't matter what the teacher did/didn't do it's not dealth with in that manner. The kid was in the wrong by going that route, really not debatable. You don't disrupt the class over your personal agenda.

[Blake]

Sure run by the wars, but not the battles, get more into auto mechanics, gardening, how to work on things, save the voodoo math for college.

Rofl voodoo math

I'm going out on a limb and say you mean 8th grade pre algebra

[Blake]

Only one or two years of required math? Has high school changed that much since I went?

And I think there should absolutely be four years of English required in high school, but I think those four years should be spent doing something more than book reports. There should be absolutely no reason for students who've made it into college to begin their first year completely ignorant of basic grammar, academic writing structure, and critical thinking skills, all three of which are SORELY lacking at the undergraduate level.

I think there should be more trade school programs for kids that don't care about writing structure etc.

[mrsmaalox]

Only one or two years of required math? Has high school changed that much since I went?

And I think there should absolutely be four years of English required in high school, but I think those four years should be spent doing something more than book reports. There should be absolutely no reason for students who've made it into college to begin their first year completely ignorant of basic grammar, academic writing structure, and critical thinking skills, all three of which are SORELY lacking at the undergraduate level.

My kids' school offers 3 paths to graduation (minimum, recommended, and distinguished). Minimum requires 3 years of math, the other 2 require 4 years. English language arts is the only one in which 4 years are required for each path.

[ashbeeigh]

I watched this earlier today on tumblr and all the little teenagers were like this guy's biggest fan. But what I want to know is what happened before the kid's speech? How disrespectful or non-compliant with the teacher was he? He wasn't just sitting there minding his own business doing a STAARS worksheet. There had to have been something else. Because it sounds like a lot of bs to me. He was just talking to get out of the inevitable in school suspension that came along with that monologue.

[CuckingFunt]

I think there should be more trade school programs for kids that don't care about writing structure etc.

I'm not talking about teaching high school students particularly advanced writing styles or expecting them to produce college level academic papers; I'm talking about adjusting high school curricula/requirements so that they introduce or reinforce the basics beyond just reading comprehension.

Incidentally, I'm not terribly concerned with whether or not a high school kid cares about writing structure. Just as I'm not terribly concerned with whether or not a high school kid cares about learning math and science. Part of high school is sucking it up and learning shit that will help you throughout life. Even kids who want to pursue a trade after high school instead of going to college should know basic grammar and have writing skills. There's not a single career choice for which it's not beneficial to be able to express yourself without sounding like an idiot.

[The Reckoning]

When you get to college it's initially such a shock to the system to have to think and question things after having gone through and gotten used to 4 years of mindless highschool busywork. High school is for the most part day care center to keep kids from robbing adults' homes in the day.


truth bomb. one of the public high schools i went to was surrounded by barbed wire fencing like a prison. i learned jack shit. they should incorporate more trade skills in high school or something to work with going into college. it sucks having to choose your major your junior year of uni because you had absolutely no basis for anything coming in.

and girls....damn they were nuts as hell. all that influx of estrogen drove them crazy. some of the decent looking ones would hang out with the loser 20+ year olds who never left town or went to college. the others would be prude as hell during high school then turn to complete sluts once they left town :lol.

[Blake]

I'm not talking about teaching high school students particularly advanced writing styles or expecting them to produce college level academic papers; I'm talking about adjusting high school curricula/requirements so that they introduce or reinforce the basics beyond just reading comprehension.

Incidentally, I'm not terribly concerned with whether or not a high school kid cares about writing structure. Just as I'm not terribly concerned with whether or not a high school kid cares about learning math and science. Part of high school is sucking it up and learning shit that will help you throughout life. Even kids who want to pursue a trade after high school instead of going to college should know basic grammar and have writing skills. There's not a single career choice for which it's not beneficial to be able to express yourself without sounding like an idiot.

I don't want to force it on them. I actually think kids should be allowed to graduate at grade 10, but offer trade school or 11&12 for those who want/need it.

[Trainwreck2100]

I tutor math at a local college people can't add fractions, your arguments are invalid

[baseline bum]

I tutor math at a local college people can't add fractions, your arguments are invalid

Fractions are a junior level course at UTSA tbh; can't expect their freshmen and sophomores to be working too far ahead.

[baseline bum]

dp

[FkLA]

Why is he getting kicked out? If Im understanding it correct, the teacher went off at students for not getting the work and student said this in response. Apparently the teacher has referred to the job as just her paycheck as well. Based on that info and unless something comes up about the students character Im siding with the student on this one tbh.

[FkLA]

:lol at privileged white boys talking about how high school students should be responsible for their own education. Grow up in a family and an area where education isnt a priority, then tell me that good teachers dont make a difference...you cant expect some of these students in poor situations to be excited to learn by putting a teacher that doesnt give a fuck in the same classroom.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol at privileged white boys talking about how high school students should be responsible for their own education. Grow up in a family and an area where education isnt a priority, then tell me that good teachers dont make a difference...you cant expect some of these students in poor situations to be excited to learn by putting a teacher that doesnt give a fuck in the same classroom.
Well yeah it's not the teacher's fault their parents are too busy smoking crack to tell them how important an education is.

[tlongII]

Not enough context to make a call but I agree with the kid's objectives.

[Avante]

The little shit should get kicked out, send a message that that sort of behavior will not be tolerated. Let him get away with it and it's just a matter of time until he pulls that shit again, maybe this time towards somebody who isn't some lady teacher.

[Latarian Milton]

as much as i hate the new generation of hooliganic motherfuckers, some teachers are also downright terrible in recent years tbh, particular those female teachers. in fact most male teachers are fine and i don't have no problem with them, while some female teachers (the majority of team actually) often get dressed like bitches in front of the class flirting to those students like the students give two shits what an ass their teacher has. all bitches no matter educated or not should be confined in the kitchen because that's the only right work place for them imho

[SpursRock20]

I thought Jerry Cantrell cut his hair off?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm not talking about teaching high school students particularly advanced writing styles or expecting them to produce college level academic papers; I'm talking about adjusting high school curricula/requirements so that they introduce or reinforce the basics beyond just reading comprehension.

Incidentally, I'm not terribly concerned with whether or not a high school kid cares about writing structure. Just as I'm not terribly concerned with whether or not a high school kid cares about learning math and science. Part of high school is sucking it up and learning shit that will help you throughout life. Even kids who want to pursue a trade after high school instead of going to college should know basic grammar and have writing skills. There's not a single career choice for which it's not beneficial to be able to express yourself without sounding like an idiot.

It doesn't take 4 years of English to teach basic writing and grammar skills. The stuff they teach in high school english right now in no way helps you in life. There isn't any real world skill that's gained from writing a 5 page analysis about some poem Emily Dickenson wrote while she was having a hot flash.

[CuckingFunt]

It doesn't take 4 years of English to teach basic writing and grammar skills. The stuff they teach in high school english right now in no way helps you in life. There isn't any real world skill that's gained from writing a 5 page analysis about some poem Emily Dickenson wrote while she was having a hot flash.

I agree with you that there are massive problems with the way English is currently taught in high school and stated as much in my post.

I disagree that there's no need for four years of English in high school and that there's no benefit to developing skills in critical thinking and textual analysis. But, that's not terribly shocking; it's already been well established that you and I have different values academically/educationally.

[Jacob1983]

High school in Texas is a joke. All you get taught is how to take a state test that basically decides whether or not you graduate and get your diploma. And teachers get bonuses if their little peckers get high scores on those useless state tests.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

High school in Texas is a joke. All you get taught is how to take a state test that basically decides whether or not you graduate and get your diploma. And teachers get bonuses if their little peckers get high scores on those useless state tests.
That's the same problem across the country that happened cause of the No Child Left Behind Act. Arizona has the same issue.

[Clipper Nation]

Wow. You are seriously not all there Avante. I could have a more meaningful debate with a tree. How the hell are you going to flip the script into a kid disrespecting his mother/father? We are talking about school here.

Keep in mind that you're trying to have a debate with a fat, senile old cuck....

[Avante]

Keep in mind that you're trying to have a debate with a fat, senile old cuck....

What debate, I told it as it really is, not even debatable.

Dude, you really do gotta get over me, people are talking.

[Jacob1983]

Why not teach kids how to do shit that will help them in real life? How about teaching kids how to fill out a job application, make a resume, how to interview for a job, etc...? Actual life skills that will help you.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I agree with you that there are massive problems with the way English is currently taught in high school and stated as much in my post.

I disagree that there's no need for four years of English in high school and that there's no benefit to developing skills in critical thinking and textual analysis. But, that's not terribly shocking; it's already been well established that you and I have different values academically/educationally.

So you agree beating poetry crap into kids' heads is retarded? That alone knocks a year off the English curriculum as for whatever reason they spend a gigantic amount of time analyzing poetry.

[Clipper Nation]

Why not teach kids how to do shit that will help them in real life? How about teaching kids how to fill out a job application, make a resume, how to interview for a job, etc...? Actual life skills that will help you.

Truth bombs, that shit's easily more useful than 90% of what's taught in high school after freshman year, tbh...

[Avante]

Why not teach kids how to do shit that will help them in real life? How about teaching kids how to fill out a job application, make a resume, how to interview for a job, etc...? Actual life skills that will help you.

Bingo!

Most these kids will not land that big $$$$ job because of math skills. They will end up in some factory/cannery etc. They need to know life skills.

[CuckingFunt]

So you agree beating poetry crap into kids' heads is retarded?

That's not what I said. There is as much value in studying poetry as there is studying any other type of literature.


That alone knocks a year off the English curriculum as for whatever reason they spend a gigantic amount of time analyzing poetry.

An entire year dedicated to poetry? I find that hard to believe.

[CuckingFunt]

Getting a job isn't/shouldn't be the only reason for education.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Bingo!

Most these kids will not land that big $$$$ job because of math skills. They will end up in some factory/cannery etc. They need to know life skills.

Even those factory jobs aren't getting filled because modern day manufacturing jobs require basic skills that HS grads don't have because they're so terrible at math/programming.

This country's tolerance for people who blow at math is sickening.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That's not what I said. There is as much value in studying poetry as there is studying any other type of literature.
Please, explain to me the value in the time schools spend on Haiku poetry. I'm anxious to hear why it's important to learn about Jap poetry.



An entire year dedicated to poetry? I find that hard to believe.
If you combine the time spent on poetry during all 4 years of HS it's easily 1 year.

[Clipper Nation]

Even those factory jobs aren't getting filled because modern day manufacturing jobs require basic skills that HS grads don't have because they're so terrible at math/programming.

This country's tolerance for people who blow at math is sickening.
Maybe if schools could actually teach math, we'd have less people who blow at it.... from what I can tell, math seems to have some of the worst teachers on average.... I maybe had one math teacher ever who didn't outright hate their students, knew how to explain things, and didn't replace actually teaching the material with millions of homework problems and busywork.... it's no wonder that kids hate math and resist learning it when math classes fucking suck, tbh...

[Avante]

Even those factory jobs aren't getting filled because modern day manufacturing jobs require basic skills that HS grads don't have because they're so terrible at math/programming.

This country's tolerance for people who blow at math is sickening.

You ever work in a factory/cannery? Tons of jobs there that don't require math skills other than simple add etc. Sales jobs.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Maybe if schools could actually teach math, we'd have less people who blow at it.... from what I can tell, math seems to have some of the worst teachers on average.... I maybe had one math teacher ever who didn't outright hate their students, knew how to explain things, and didn't replace actually teaching the material with millions of homework problems and busywork.... it's no wonder that kids hate math and resist learning it when math classes fucking suck, tbh...

Agreed completely which is why I say a bigger emphasis needs to be placed on it.

I shouldn't say I hate the fact people blow at math since the result of it is me getting multiple job offers that people who spend 4 years of college studying poetry about Emily Dickenson's bloody tampon's would kill for :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

For the record, I also disagree with DoK that English isn't that important.... writing is a skill just like math/science/etc., perhaps even more important than those skills, tbh.... I actually think it's been de-emphasized too much to the point where English majors pretty much have to double-major in something else to get decent job offers....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'd also say high school math teachers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> high school english teachers

high school english teachers are some of the most useless people on Earth who are for the most part stupid as shit.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

For the record, I also disagree with DoK that English isn't that important.... writing is a skill just like math/science/etc., perhaps even more important than those skills, tbh.... I actually think it's been de-emphasized too much to the point where English majors pretty much have to double-major in something else to get decent job offers....

English majors have to major in something else because there's no real world application for being able to analyze the literary techniques Emily Dickenson uses to describe her first period.

[Trainwreck2100]

Agreed completely which is why I say a bigger emphasis needs to be placed on it.

I shouldn't say I hate the fact people blow at math since the result of it is me getting multiple job offers that people who spend 4 years of college studying poetry about Emily Dickenson's bloody tampon's would kill for :lmao

Did you know they stopped forcing students to memorize the multiplication table and want to change pi to just 3

[Avante]

How many times does the average person need/use algebra in their life?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Did you know they stopped forcing students to memorize the multiplication table and want to change pi to just 3
:lol No I didn't know that. I also don't get how you can just change what pi is. The area of a circle isn't gonna magically go from 3.14etc*r^2 to 3*r^2 with a mandate that pi is now 3.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol No I didn't know that. I also don't get how you can just change what pi is. The area of a circle isn't gonna magically go from 3.14etc*r^2 to 3*r^2 with a mandate that pi is now 3.

That multiplication table i deal with every day, it's like how do you not know what 9x8 is

[CuckingFunt]

Please, explain to me the value in the time schools spend on Haiku poetry. I'm anxious to hear why it's important to learn about Jap poetry.

I'm not going to defend a point I didn't make.


If you combine the time spent on poetry during all 4 years of HS it's easily 1 year.

I've also never made the point that the amount of time currently spent on poetry or on drilling reading comprehension is appropriate. I have stated the opposite. But that alone doesn't justify cutting the English requirements when there are still so many English/grammar/writing fundamentals that kids don't know when they graduate high school.

[Avante]

Hmmmmm?

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Of course, people should learn basic numerical skills: decimals, ratios and estimating, sharpened by a good grounding in arithmetic. But a definitive analysis by the Georgetown Center on Education and the Workforce forecasts that in the decade ahead a mere 5 percent of entry-level workers will need to be proficient in algebra or above. And if there is a shortage of STEM graduates, an equally crucial issue is how many available positions there are for men and women with these skills. A January 2012 analysis from the Georgetown center found 7.5 percent unemployment for engineering graduates and 8.2 percent among computer scientists.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That multiplication table i deal with every day, it's like how do you not know what 9x8 is
Who gives a shit what knowing 9x8 is when you can analyze why a simile was used as oppose to a metaphor.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm not going to defend a point I didn't make.



I've also never made the point that the amount of time currently spent on poetry or on drilling reading comprehension is appropriate. I have stated the opposite. But that alone doesn't justify cutting the English requirements when there are still so many English/grammar/writing fundamentals that kids don't know when they graduate high school.
If poetry/reading comprehension is what's currently being taught, then it does justify cutting English requirements. What should be taught in English classes is a separate issue.

[CuckingFunt]

Agreed completely which is why I say a bigger emphasis needs to be placed on it.

I shouldn't say I hate the fact people blow at math since the result of it is me getting multiple job offers that people who spend 4 years of college studying poetry about Emily Dickenson's bloody tampon's would kill for :lmao

For example, I'm not advocating high school students spend months analyzing Dickinson's poetry or its relationship to her menstrual cycle, but I think there's something fundamentally wrong when a college student (graduate? can't remember if you've finished or are still in school) uses an apostrophe to pluralize a noun.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

For example, I'm not advocating high school students spend months analyzing Dickinson's poetry or its relationship to her menstrual cycle, but I think there's something fundamentally wrong when a college student (graduate? can't remember if you've finished or are still in school) uses an apostrophe to pluralize a noun.
Yeah sorry I don't care about my grammar when I'm posting on a message board as I'm drinking and about to go out for the night. That totally proves your point.

:lmao grammar smack

[CuckingFunt]

If poetry/reading comprehension is what's currently being taught, then it does justify cutting English requirements. What should be taught in English classes is a separate issue.

No. It justifies/encourages teaching English more diversely and more effectively. Not teaching less of it.

Your argument for the dumbing down of English education is exactly the same (and exactly as flawed) as the arguments being made for the dumbing down of math education that you have been mocking. The only difference is that you personally value one thing over the other.

[Latarian Milton]

what else do you expect a JEW to say?

[CuckingFunt]

what else do you expect a JEW to say?

L'chaim?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

No. It justifies/encourages teaching English more diversely and more effectively. Not teaching less of it.

Your argument for the dumbing down of English education is exactly the same (and exactly as flawed) as the arguments being made for the dumbing down of math education that you have been mocking. The only difference is that you personally value one thing over the other.
1) Employers across America value one thing over the other. It's not a personal thing. People from China and India don't get imported because of their writing skills, they get imported because American students blow at math. I know there's more things about education than preparing people for the real world, but right now the problem is high schools don't do nearly enough to prepare people for the real world.

2) My argument is that there's no point in 4 years of poetry analysis/reading comprehension being required. What English classes COULD be teaching is irrelevant because poetry/reading comprehension is what lazy shitforbrains English teachers feel like teaching these days.

[Latarian Milton]

the current education system might be a scam as a whole, but if one major exists, there must be a reason imho. everyone has the right to choose the major he likes best and just because you're a fan of or extremely talented in some subject (like math) it doesn't mean that's the best major for everyone. im not sure whether the world would've been a better place to live in now if the great historical figures had all become economists or scientists, at the expense of those great writers and thinkers such as hemingway and mark twain

[CuckingFunt]

Yeah sorry I don't care about my grammar when I'm posting on a message board as I'm drinking and about to go out for the night. That totally proves your point.

:lmao grammar smack

It shows that use of improper grammar looks foolish. Which shows that a fundamental understanding of basic grammar/writing skills are important to anyone who has to communicate verbally or in writing. Which is everyone.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It shows that use of improper grammar looks foolish. Which shows that a fundamental understanding of basic grammar/writing skills are important to anyone who has to communicate verbally or in writing. Which is everyone.
It shows I don't care about writing properly on a message board. Sorry I don't take my communications on this site more seriously.

[Latarian Milton]

if you only take education as something that lands you a decent job, then it might be meaningless for you to study stuffs like art, history, literature etc... but education has wider meanings than just than imho. knowledge can enrich your life and make you feel mentally satisfied even w/o too much $. you might earn above-average salary w/ a finance degree something but you never become the richest 100 in the world right? if it's useless to study art or literature in college then why do you watch NBA games? shits are "useless" too imho.

people need food to live, but they don't live for food imho

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

if you only take education as something that lands you a decent job, then it might be meaningless for you to study stuffs like art, history, literature etc... but education has wider meanings than just than imho. knowledge can enrich your life and make you feel mentally satisfied even w/o too much $. you might earn above-average salary w/ a finance degree something but you never become the richest 100 in the world right? if it's useless to study art or literature in college then why do you watch NBA games? shits are "useless" too imho.

people need food to live, but they don't live for food imho
Going to school for the "experience" is simply a luxury people my age don't have. Our parents had it but we don't. That's just all there is to it, it sucks but it's reality. Given the state of the economy you need to think about jobs after college.

[Latarian Milton]

plus, the development of computer technology will only reduce the demand of mathematic skills, while on the other hand, people's need for entertainment will increase. not say everyone will become a talkshow host or a ghost writer in the next 10 or 20 years but some good skills in writing will do a world of good to your life, and such skills will not fade, instead will only get better and better as your age increases (unlike those software/engineering/math skills).

i was pretty damn good at math & physics when i was in hs and i took shit as my major for my college years, but i've changed to a literature major for grad school so i guess im the only one here who have majored in both areas, hence i can make an unbiased assessment on this issue from an objective perspective imho

[CuckingFunt]

1) Employers across America value one thing over the other. It's not a personal thing. People from China and India don't get imported because of their writing skills, they get imported because American students blow at math. I know there's more things about education than preparing people for the real world, but right now the problem is high schools don't do nearly enough to prepare people for the real world.

It's still a personal value. I live in the same world that you do, I'm forced to navigate the same job market, yet I value math and English education equally.


2) My argument is that there's no point in 4 years of poetry analysis/reading comprehension being required. What English classes COULD be teaching is irrelevant because poetry/reading comprehension is what lazy shitforbrains English teachers feel like teaching these days.

English teachers don't set their own criteria. If English teachers are focusing exclusively on reading comprehension/textual analysis throughout all four years of high school, that's because that is what is required of them by their school/district and likely the standardized tests to which they're forced to adhere. If an English teacher was required to teach/prioritize grammar and other English fundamentals but showed up on the first day and said, "fuck it, I don't wanna," that teacher would be fired. You're advocating requiring less English because the English education is going to be crappy anyway, which isn't much of a solution. What I suggested is that the same amount of English education should be required, but that it should be made less crappy and more effective/useful.

[CuckingFunt]

It shows I don't care about writing properly on a message board. Sorry I don't take my communications on this site more seriously.

Then why do you capitalize words properly? Or bother using punctuation at all?

[Latarian Milton]

Going to school for the "experience" is simply a luxury people my age don't have. Our parents had it but we don't. That's just all there is to it, it sucks but it's reality. Given the state of the economy you need to think about jobs after college.
you don't need a job right after college if you don't have a bitch & a family to feed imho. i once had a job after graduation from college but i quit it in july last year cuz i felt i didn't need it. i've been living a frugal life w/o a job for almost a year now but im pretty happy with it. the reality is most college graduates can't get any decent jobs and if you are lucky enough to get one like m>s, you can enjoy it and laugh at all of us, but if not, you better come back to school or do something else to better prepare yourself for the future rather than waste your life at a deadend shitty job (like my nigga jacob sadly :depressed)

plus, marriage is a luxury for the richest people nowadays. bitches are venal and greedy as fuck, and a smart guy will never ever consider committing his life to one of those sluts imho. guys should live frugally in their 20s while doing their best to pursue their dreams, w/o considering getting married to a bitch. as a firm believer of Leykism, that's my honest advice to all you young people tbh

[baseline bum]

plus, the development of computer technology will only reduce the demand of mathematic skills, while on the other hand, people's need for entertainment will increase.

Disagree, you have things completely backwards. Math and computer algorithms become much more important as computer hardware gets better. People want to solve a problem 10x as big if their hardware is 10x faster, which isn't possible unless you have discovered a linear or better algorithm to solve the problem. With a quadratic algorithm (say, the original algorithm for computing discrete fourier transforms) you could only do a problem ~3X as big in the same time with hardware that's 10X faster. Whereas an N log N algorithm (such as the fast fourier transform) will allow you to do a problem ~8.5X as big in the same time with hardware that's 10X faster. Computation is still a really young field and there's tons of room for improvement to better utilize new hardware.

[Latarian Milton]

you learn knowledge to improve your brain function and to make yourself smarter, which will benefit your life throughout your lifetime. and if you only learn something to meet the employer's demand, no matter what you're learning, you're basically wasting your time learning it imho.

colleges give away degrees profusely and a college degree today ain't even worth 1/10 what it used to be 10 or 20 years ago imho, so if the piece of fucking paper is the only thing you get from college when you graduate, it's fair to say you've wasted 4 or even more years in college imho.

history knowledge enables you to read your life better than other people, and gives you deep insight into the present-day life. it might be useless in the job market but if you start your own business someday, such knowledge or experience will turn out to be very beneficial imho

[Latarian Milton]

imho computer science has been advancing too fast compared to other subjects, maybe in a couple of years you can make a processor that's 10 times as fast as an i7 but what are you gonna use it for? an core processor is fast enough to satisfy every need in an office. there ain't no limit with computer techniques, but human brains have limits.

never gonna say math is not important, in fact i was also a math/physics combo fiend back in my hs years (top of my class in physics, and one of the bests in math) and tbh i dispised those who lived on literature & stuffs, and i considered those stuffs to be feminine but now i've realized i was wrong. there're too many scientists who have massive knowledge in their respective areas, but too few of them can express their ideas & thoughts in a proper language that can be understood by everyone imho

[Jacob1983]

I once bitched the fuck out of one of my high school English teachers on why we needed to memorize Walt Whitman's work. How the fuck is that shit going to help you earn money or basically better your life? Unless you are on some type of game show, reality tv show, challenge, competition, or quiz show, Walt Whitman's work is useless. The same could be said for Shakespeare who is one of one the most overrated writers in human history.

[The Reckoning]

I once bitched the fuck out of one of my high school English teachers on why we needed to memorize Walt Whitman's work. How the fuck is that shit going to help you earn money or basically better your life? Unless you are on some type of game show, reality tv show, challenge, competition, or quiz show, Walt Whitman's work is useless. The same could be said for Shakespeare who is one of one the most overrated writers in human history.

just getting you to read for all those leaves of grass youll be mowing when you cant get a job with your shitty degree tbh

[FkLA]

DoK, why are you flexing your muscles about being good at math? Whats the hardest math class you have to take to be an accounting/finance major? It aint like youre a damn near mathematician like me so sit your ass down tbh.

[FkLA]

You know how you feel about liberal art people who have easy ass majors? Thats how I feel about bitch niggas like you who have some easy math classes and want to pat themselves on the back.

[Heath Ledger]

damn i can't believe that black kids are still using the term "square biz"

[Leetonidas]

I can't speak about the guy himself, but he didn't say anything untrue and I agree with him. HS was a bunch of bullshit, just a bunch of lazy teachers passing out handouts and telling you to do the work. I only had maybe one or two teachers that you could tell really enjoyed teaching and generally tried to impart wisdom on their students. Most we just lazy assholes coming for the paycheck that could never be question and couldn't explain something in depth for shit. However, the problem really is the education system, because our entire academic lives before college we're pretty much getting prepped to take TAKS tests or whatever they call it now so our school can look good and get more funding.

That being said, he probably doesn't care about his education and just went on a tirade. But there's always the possibility that he's sincere, we can't know for sure. And if he is then good for him.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

DoK, why are you flexing your muscles about being good at math? Whats the hardest math class you have to take to be an accounting/finance major? It aint like youre a damn near mathematician like me so sit your ass down tbh.
I'm a math minor. I took applied matrix analysis this semester.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You know how you feel about liberal art people who have easy ass majors? Thats how I feel about bitch niggas like you who have some easy math classes and want to pat themselves on the back.

:lol I've taken just as much math as any engineering major I know and I used to tutor vector calculus
:lol you making stuff up

[FkLA]

How many classes did you take to get the minor and what are they? I doubt youve taken as much as an engineering major although tbf if you have a minor then you do have some solid maths under your belt.

[BUMP]

For the record, I also disagree with DoK that English isn't that important.... writing is a skill just like math/science/etc., perhaps even more important than those skills, tbh.... I actually think it's been de-emphasized too much to the point where English majors pretty much have to double-major in something else to get decent job offers....

I teenk that college should require you to take a course in Technical Writing.

The required "2 course in Literature" is what's bullshit

[leemajors]

I teenk that college should require you to take a course in Technical Writing.

The required "2 course in Literature" is what's bullshit

Absorbed, engaged reading is incredibly beneficial for your brain. Unfortunately most literature classes have the opposite effect, due to teacher and/or subject matter.

[BUMP]

Absorbed, engaged reading is incredibly beneficial for your brain.

imho, that's something you can just do in your spare time. We shouldn't be required to do it if it isn't relative to our major.

Same thing with being required to take History 1 and 2. Being forced to remember what year Ghenghis Khan raped and pillage some village in dirkadirkastan isn't going to help me land a job after i graduate

[leemajors]

imho, that's something you can just do in your spare time. We shouldn't be required to do it if it isn't relative to our major.

Same thing with being required to take History 1 and 2. Being forced to remember what year Ghenghis Khan raped and pillage some village in dirkadirkastan isn't going to help me land a job after i graduate

nevermind.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How many classes did you take to get the minor and what are they? I doubt youve taken as much as an engineering major although tbf if you have a minor then you do have some solid maths under your belt.

18 units past calc 2 (came in done w/ Calc 2). I took vector calc, diff EQ, and linear algebra as the 200 level classes and calculus based statistics, matrix analysis and advanced applied analysis as upper division classes.

FTR, business majors who faint when they hear the word calculus piss me off just as much as anybody.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Disagree, you have things completely backwards. Math and computer algorithms become much more important as computer hardware gets better. People want to solve a problem 10x as big if their hardware is 10x faster, which isn't possible unless you have discovered a linear or better algorithm to solve the problem. With a quadratic algorithm (say, the original algorithm for computing discrete fourier transforms) you could only do a problem ~3X as big in the same time with hardware that's 10X faster. Whereas an N log N algorithm (such as the fast fourier transform) will allow you to do a problem ~8.5X as big in the same time with hardware that's 10X faster. Computation is still a really young field and there's tons of room for improvement to better utilize new hardware.

I hated the FFT at first.

Ternary logic is going to be fun. They need to change the third state from maybe though or it's going to be completely counterintuitive. It's not 'maybe' a 1 or 0 necessarily unless you want it to be. Needs to be presented as an independent state.

[LnGrrrR]

I'd also say high school math teachers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> high school english teachers

high school english teachers are some of the most useless people on Earth who are for the most part stupid as shit.

I remember my 10th grade teacher said we could answer the question, "Why does evil exist?" for bonus on a paper. I got finished early so I wrote it up on the back. Then he told me he was just kidding. Fucker.

[Koolaid_Man]

that Camelot / Lancelot wanna be savior deserves a spot on the next boondocks episode...

[Koolaid_Man]

shit reminded me of those guys who come out of prison trying to talk and sound all intellectual and shit

[Koolaid_Man]

this shit right here...:lmao:lmao:lmao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TexL-eyZHzo

[mingus]

It doesn't take 4 years of English to teach basic writing and grammar skills. The stuff they teach in high school english right now in no way helps you in life. There isn't any real world skill that's gained from writing a 5 page analysis about some poem Emily Dickenson wrote while she was having a hot flash.

good English teachers actually do make people better thinkers. the problem is there are a shit load that suck at their job, but that can be said for pretty much any subject. also, there isn't some standard curriculum (that i am aware of), so some people benefit from it more (way more) than others based on the varying curriculum. you are trivializing the importance of knowing how to think and articulate at a time where too many people lack those neccessary tools.

[Trill Clinton]

this shit right here...:lmao:lmao:lmao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TexL-eyZHzo

:rollin
have you ran into the black israelites yet?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tpTbovltOPA

[Koolaid_Man]

Imma check it out.

[DMC]

Dude is a murder/suicide waiting to happen, but likely he'll blog about it and cry.

[DMC]

Absorbed, engaged reading is incredibly beneficial for your brain. Unfortunately most literature classes have the opposite effect, due to teacher and/or subject matter.

Having a viable career is beneficial for your brain and the welfare of your family and this nation. Being overly educated in useless shit is what kills the student loan program and the housing program at the same time.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Can't say anything for sure without seeing anything but that video but if I had to make a judgment call I'd say DOK hit in on the head on the first page here. Pretty much looked my theater class sophomore year in HS where we had to write our own monologues. Most of us knew what we were cranking out was garbage but there were a few that pretty much came off exactly like this kid, which is to say clumsily worded because they were flying so high on their own self importance. Probably spent most of that class period writing this little speech instead of doing the work and was really expecting a slow clap send off.

[Sean Cagney]

He was upset, but he could have went about it different like some said. Heat of the moment type thing lol. At first I thought he was getting up to stand in front of the class and try to rap the way his hands were moving lol.

[leemajors]

Having a viable career is beneficial for your brain and the welfare of your family and this nation. Being overly educated in useless shit is what kills the student loan program and the housing program at the same time.

Obviously, and sometimes, but that wasn't what I was talking about at all. That has been hashed out ad infinitum the last few years.

[Latarian Milton]

college is a scam and those shitty degrees are particularly useless and money-wasting according to my niggas jacob & dok and some others around here, but when i asked for advice on my job/school options a couple days ago, most people who voted in my thread suggested i pick the school option over job, which's still beyond me tbh

[Wild Cobra]

Not enough context to make a call but I agree with the kid's objectives.
True.

I found another thing. The school isn't taking action against Jeff, and his mother is a teacher...

[Jacob1983]

For every 10 teachers, I'd say 9 suck and 1 is actually good at their job and gives a shit. Sad but true.

[Paulie]

True.

I found another thing. The school isn't taking action against Jeff, and his mother is a teacher...

ding ding ding ding

[FkLA]

18 units past calc 2 (came in done w/ Calc 2). I took vector calc, diff EQ, and linear algebra as the 200 level classes and calculus based statistics, matrix analysis and advanced applied analysis as upper division classes.

FTR, business majors who faint when they hear the word calculus piss me off just as much as anybody.

Not bad, actually. Honest question though if youre good at math and enjoy it why didnt you pursue a badass engineering degree like me, bro ?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

True.

I found another thing. The school isn't taking action against Jeff, and his mother is a teacher...
His moms a teacher?

Explains why he's so messed up, tbh

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Not bad, actually. Honest question though if youre good at math and enjoy it why didnt you pursue a badass engineering degree like me, bro ?
If I could do it over again I would have triple majored in accounting finance and math tbh. At the time I started college the unemployment rate for engineering majors leaving college was sky high and it's only recently gotten better. I would undoubtedly have had an applied major (math, physics, engineering, etc) but I can't say I'm upset about my decision given the job I have.

[Blake]

True.

I found another thing. The school isn't taking action against Jeff, and his mother is a teacher...

They should start taking action against kids filming in the classroom and then posting on YouTube

[DJR210]

Here is the kids interview..Lazy fat ass de-motivated teacher tbh.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKjqjpePhTc

[GoodOdor]

Isn't this kid an 18 year old sophomore though?:lol

[Clipper Nation]

Isn't this kid an 18 year old sophomore though?:lol
He dropped out of school, then realized that he wanted to graduate and came back.... no wonder he's pissed, he finally started taking school seriously and found out you don't learn shit, tbh....

[BUMP]

Not bad, actually. Honest question though if youre good at math and enjoy it why didnt you pursue a badass engineering degree like me, bro ?

what engineering are you?

[jag]

what engineering are you?

If he says Industrial, I'm going to clown his ass.



As far as the other discussion is concerned, I think English classes are overvalued by educators. When I first started working, I placed so much importance on expanding my vocabulary and using proper grammar and punctuation in all of my emails. I soon realized no one gave a damn. None of my bosses had the time to sit there and read through an entire essay whenever I had something to tell them. They had no interest in busting out a thesaurus every time they opened one of my emails. Many times, people just come off as pompous or pretentious when they try to get too creative with their writing. No one in your workplace cares that you know ten different synonyms for seemingly every adjective.

I think there are very few career fields where elaborate and creative writing is necessary. 9 out of 10 times, a direct and succinct email (or statement) is not only sufficient but preferred. Basic understanding of grammar, sentence structure and punctuation is really all that is necessary.

[Wild Cobra]

Isn't this kid an 18 year old sophomore though?:lol
Probably, but he's owning up to bast mistakes. Have to give him credit for that.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If he says Industrial, I'm going to clown his ass.



As far as the other discussion is concerned, I think English classes are overvalued by educators. When I first started working, I placed so much importance on expanding my vocabulary and using proper grammar and punctuation in all of my emails. I soon realized no one gave a damn. None of my bosses had the time to sit there and read through an entire essay whenever I had something to tell them. They had no interest in busting out a thesaurus every time they opened one of my emails. Many times, people just come off as pompous or pretentious when they try to get too creative with their writing. No one in your workplace cares that you know ten different synonyms for seemingly every adjective.

I think there are very few career fields where elaborate and creative writing is necessary. 9 out of 10 times, a direct and succinct email (or statement) is not only sufficient but preferred. Basic understanding of grammar, sentence structure and punctuation is really all that is necessary.
People will say you're just an anecdotal example but this is 100% true in most real world jobs. At my first real internship that involved emailing my boss, I used to slave over word choice/grammar/etc. in every email I wrote to him and then he'd respond with a 1-2 sentence blurb that wasn't capitalized or grammatically correct but easily understood and got to the point which I figured out is what he wanted my emails to do.

Then I had my first business communications class and the first thing our teacher said was to basically unlearn all the bullshit they teach about fluffy introductions and waiting 3-4 sentence to actually get to the point or "thesis statement" because that's what business writing is about, getting to and expressing the point effectively without wasting the reader's time. That's what required English classes should all be about, how to concisely and effectively express your point in writing while instead they do the exact opposite by giving literature analysis assignments with required page minimums. Proper grammar should be taught but lets be real about how much time really needs to go into teaching people proper grammar.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How many classes did you take to get the minor and what are they? I doubt youve taken as much as an engineering major although tbf if you have a minor then you do have some solid maths under your belt.

http://utsa.edu/ucat/COE/
So I checked the engineering requirements at good ole' UTSA and the only required math is through calc 2, they don't require any additional math :lmao

When you posted this doubting a math minor has taken as much math as a UTSA engineering major only required to take calc 1 and 2, what exactly did you think the requirements are for math minors? Did you think taking college algebrah was enough to make someone a math minor :lmao

[leemajors]

I took calc 1 and 2 and got an English degree :lol

[Clipper Nation]

http://utsa.edu/ucat/COE/
So I checked the engineering requirements at good ole' UTSA and the only required math is through calc 2, they don't require any additional math :lmao

When you posted this doubting a math minor has taken as much math as a UTSA engineering major only required to take calc 1 and 2, what exactly did you think the requirements are for math minors? Did you think taking college algebrah was enough to make someone a math minor :lmao
loooooool motherfuckin' utsa :lmao

[jag]

I find it strange/amusing that so many liberal arts majors (most of which end up going back to school) put so much emphasis on writing, grammar and the presentation of ideas, and how essential they are to effectively communicate in the business world. They don't realize how many immigrants come over to the US with only a basic understanding of our language and are coveted by employers for their technical skills and critical thinking. You see this in the medical field, manufacturing and finance. You have leading researchers in the medical field, and CEOs in manufacturing that cant get a verb tense right to save their life.

I'm glad you never use run-on sentences or fragments, know the difference between MLA and APA, and have the ability to write a perfectly structured, perfectly punctuated analytical report on Robert Frost's greatest works. Now go get your boss a coffee and don't forget to type out that memo he requested. Because we all know he's not exactly the greatest writer.

[BUMP]

http://utsa.edu/ucat/COE/
So I checked the engineering requirements at good ole' UTSA and the only required math is through calc 2

:lmao:lmao:lmao

you gotta be shitting me.

:lol UTSA engineer taking as much math as a Geology major

[jag]

http://utsa.edu/ucat/COE/
So I checked the engineering requirements at good ole' UTSA and the only required math is through calc 2, they don't require any additional math :lmao

When you posted this doubting a math minor has taken as much math as a UTSA engineering major only required to take calc 1 and 2, what exactly did you think the requirements are for math minors? Did you think taking college algebrah was enough to make someone a math minor :lmao

:lmao what a clown school

:lol not required to take multivariable

Do they even require differential equations or linear algebra? All of our ENGR programs had us graduated needing 9 more hours to have fulfilled a minor in Math.

[Rick Santorum]

http://utsa.edu/ucat/COE/
So I checked the engineering requirements at good ole' UTSA and the only required math is through calc 2, they don't require any additional math :lmao

When you posted this doubting a math minor has taken as much math as a UTSA engineering major only required to take calc 1 and 2, what exactly did you think the requirements are for math minors? Did you think taking college algebrah was enough to make someone a math minor :lmao

Damn, who brags about their math background when the truth is so readily available online? Dumbass utsa engineer :lmao

[DMC]

The district thinks he could have handled it differently. He thinks the teacher could handle it differently. Some feel the teacher is like a karate master that automatically gets respect, but teachers often don't warrant respect because they aren't actually teachers, they are just chaperones for the hour or so the kid is in their classroom. The teachers often treat class like a factory where they put in the material and the machine does it's thing, and the teacher takes a break while the process is happening. Even when I was a kid teachers would use class as a break session, grading papers from other classes instead of teaching the one they were in. It shows that a teacher doesn't have a firm grasp on the time required to teach effectively and that they often don't do anything job related at home. Teachers are teachers even when not at school, like cops are always cops and doctors are always doctors. Some see teaching as an easy degree and career, they loved high school and want to live the rest of their life in that environment, but they get there under a different role and isolate themselves from the students as much as possible.

I don't think a teacher needs to convince a student to want to learn, that's up to the parents, however a teacher needs to engage the class because someone in that class is listening and wants to learn, but they have to accept moving at the pace of the slowest person in class, and many teachers are fine with that since it all pays the same.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao what a clown school

:lol not required to take multivariable

Do they even require differential equations or linear algebra? All of our ENGR programs had us graduated needing 9 more hours to have fulfilled a minor in Math.
Yeah what kind of bootleg engineering program doesn't even require any multivariable calc. UA requires multivariable (they call it vector idk why) and Diff EQ for its engineering majors which is 9 units short of a minor as well (6 of which need to be upper level). Before FkLA tries to fact check me for why I took 9 upper level math units, that was an advisor fuckup and I didn't need to take the matrix analysis class.

[baseline bum]

He dropped out of school, then realized that he wanted to graduate and came back.... no wonder he's pissed, he finally started taking school seriously and found out you don't learn shit, tbh....

http://www.footytube.com/static/user-serve/profile-images/lrg/56e5954715223c459e9b47fb2f957f3d.jpg

[log in/log out goods]

I wouldn't buy that for a $ [upper] 1.414 [lower] 0 Int xdx

[baseline bum]

http://utsa.edu/ucat/COE/
So I checked the engineering requirements at good ole' UTSA and the only required math is through calc 2, they don't require any additional math :lmao

When you posted this doubting a math minor has taken as much math as a UTSA engineering major only required to take calc 1 and 2, what exactly did you think the requirements are for math minors? Did you think taking college algebrah was enough to make someone a math minor :lmao

OMFG :lmao

[Ricky Davis]

Not bad, actually. Honest question though if youre good at math and enjoy it why didnt you pursue a badass engineering degree like me, bro ?

:lol dis nigga

[baseline bum]

That really fucking blows. I mean multivariable is maybe the most important math class an undergrad non-major can take, since it requires you to build your geometric intuition like no other lower division course. Can't coast through with just simple formulas like you can in single-variable calc. I mean that's really a disgrace.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That really fucking blows. I mean multivariable is maybe the most important math class an undergrad non-major can take, since it requires you to build your geometric intuition like no other lower division course. Can't coast through with just simple formulas like you can in single-variable calc. I mean that's really a disgrace.
Yeah exactly it's the class that introduces math at an applied level. I remember when I took it my first semester in school and it was a totally different animal than calc 1 and 2. I ended up with a B in the class but needed a 98 on the final in order to do so because I dicked up the first half of the class.

[baseline bum]

Yeah exactly it's the class that introduces math at an applied level. I remember when I took it my first semester in school and it was a totally different animal than calc 1 and 2. I ended up with a B in the class but needed a 98 on the final in order to do so because I dicked up the first half of the class.

Multivariable was maybe my 3rd favorite math class, behind algebra and complex analysis. Only bad thing about algebra is people always mistake it for college algebra and act like you're a retard when you tell them how hard algebra class is. I wish they had these videocourses available when I was in school so I could point people to them and ask if they could make it through the first lecture:

http://www.extension.harvard.edu/open-learning-initiative/abstract-algebra

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Multivariable was maybe my 3rd favorite math class, behind algebra and complex analysis. Only bad thing about algebra is people always mistake it for college algebra and act like you're a retard when you tell them how hard algebra class is. I wish they had these videocourses available when I was in school so I could point people to them and ask if they could make it through the first lecture:

http://www.extension.harvard.edu/open-learning-initiative/abstract-algebra
:lol whenever I told a business major I was taking linear algebra they would say back, "Really math minors take that? I took that class in high school!"

[jag]

Yeah exactly it's the class that introduces math at an applied level. I remember when I took it my first semester in school and it was a totally different animal than calc 1 and 2. I ended up with a B in the class but needed a 98 on the final in order to do so because I dicked up the first half of the class.

I found multivariable to be much easier than calc 2. I made a C in calc 2 and an A in multivariable. It was a lot easier for me once I could visualize and literally build what I had learned in calculus 1 and 2. It puts everything together.

Calc 2 probably isn't much more difficult, I just dicked around a lot in calc 2 and didn't do any hw. With multivariable, all I heard was how hard it was and how it was going to kick my ass. So I went into it expecting a bukkake and worked a lot harder.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah for whatever reason it took a few low B, almost C experiences in multivariable and Diff EQ before I realized this wasn't high school and stuff like doing homework/studying was actually required if I wanted an A in the class. My multivariable teacher was this huge Ukrainian Jew who said to me early on that semester when I was talking to her "Dis is what I hate about American High School, dey trick student to think university mad (math) is easy" and I thought it was the same bullshit as when high school math teachers would say, "This is the year math gets tough!" :lol

[baseline bum]

:lol whenever I told a business major I was taking linear algebra they would say back, "Really math minors take that? I took that class in high school!"

You're taking an entire year of algebra?????? Why do you need 3 quarters worth of courses for solving quadratic equations?

[FkLA]

They just recently took off Cal III from the requirements, I know I took it as one of mine. If Im not mistaken Cal II is now a 4 hour class instead of just 3 and it includes vector Calculus. Try again scros.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

They just recently took off Cal III from the requirements, I know I took it as one of mine. If Im not mistaken Cal II is now a 4 hour class instead of just 3 and it includes vector Calculus. Try again scros.
:lmao that's still not even close to the math a minor has to take and it's still hilarious you said you were practically a mathematician when you haven't taken any upper level math classes.

The question still remains what exactly did you think a math minor has to take when you apparently thought a math minor takes less math than an engineering major.

[FkLA]

:lmao that's still not even close to the math a minor has to take and it's still hilarious you said you were practically a mathematician when you haven't taken any upper level math classes.

The question still remains what exactly did you think a math minor has to take when you apparently thought a math minor takes less math than an engineering major.

I know what a math minor is. At UTSA its Diff Eqs, Linear Algebra, all the Calculi, and like two upper division electives. Im getting that minor as well...but I guess you are right in that in that in strictly maths and not the physics behind it you did take as much as any of engineering major.

[FkLA]

im an ME bump, you in engineering too brah ?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So lets reviewing everything FkLA said to summarize the argument he's about to say he won.


DoK, why are you flexing your muscles about being good at math? Whats the hardest math class you have to take to be an accounting/finance major? It aint like youre a damn near mathematician like me so sit your ass down tbh.
FkLA calls himself a "damn near mathematician" and puffs his chest out because he took calc III, a class I took the first semester of my freshman year. I try to let him off easy by simply saying I'm a math minor, but he insists on being retarded.


You know how you feel about liberal art people who have easy ass majors? Thats how I feel about bitch niggas like you who have some easy math classes and want to pat themselves on the back.
This coming from the guy who's patting himself on the back for the math he's taken that never got above 200 level.


How many classes did you take to get the minor and what are they? I doubt youve taken as much as an engineering major although tbf if you have a minor then you do have some solid maths under your belt.
FkLA, having no idea what math a math minor needs to take "doubts" I've taken as much math as an engineering major, a la he doubts someone who minors in math has to take calc III, a 200 level course.


Not bad, actually. Honest question though if youre good at math and enjoy it why didnt you pursue a badass engineering degree like me, bro ?
Now he realizes that I've taken significantly more math than him so he backs off back keeps up the superiority complex by saying "not bad", as if he's in any kind of position to be critiquing the amount of math I've taken :lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I know what a math minor is. At UTSA its Diff Eqs, Linear Algebra, all the Calculi, and like two upper division electives. Im getting that minor as well...but I guess you are right in that in that in strictly maths and not the physics behind it you did take as much as any of engineering major.

So you knew that a math minor added additional math as a requirement to your schedule yet you "doubted" I've taken as much math as an engineering major knowing that I've taken more math than any engineering major without a math minor?

Yeah, that sounds totally logical.

[FkLA]

Youre so defensive. :lol

I wasnt attacking you. I called myself a damn near mathematician compared to what I thought was your basic finance degree with minimal maths. After I knew of the classes you took for your minor the not bad statement wasnt even meant in a bad way...as in that same sentence I implied that you couldve been an engineer.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So what math classes have you taken?

[baseline bum]

You ever studied any PDE, DoK? Fucking Black-Scholes blew me away the first time I saw it; transforming a probabilistic PDE into a simple deterministic heat equation whose solution is a simple integral (namely, the error function) by hedging. Of course Myron Scholes needed an enormous bailout for his company when his equation couldn't stand huge shocks to the market (e.g., Russia's default), but it's still a really cool idea for when the market isn't in such a fucked up state.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You ever studied any PDE, DoK? Fucking Black-Scholes blew me away the first time I saw it; transforming a probabilistic PDE into a simple deterministic heat equation whose solution is a simple integral (namely, the error function) by hedging. Of course Myron Scholes needed an enormous bailout for his company when his equation couldn't stand huge shocks to the market (e.g., Russia's default), but it's still a really cool idea for when the market isn't in such a fucked up state.

Touched on them in Advanced Applied Analysis but barely. I also took advanced applied analysis so long ago that I don't remember much multivariable/PDE stuff :lol

Myron Scholes is a huge asshole. Within 5 minutes of meeting the guy you can tell all he's thinking about is when will this conversation end so he can go back to jerking off to his calculus book.

[jag]

I'm trying to figure out how one 4-hour Calculus II course, which supposedly includes multivariable, is equivalent to two separate 3-hour courses dedicated to Calculus II and Multivariable, respectively.

FkLA's math isn't adding up. Which isn't surprising.

[baseline bum]

I'm trying to figure out how one 4-hour Calculus II course, which supposedly includes multivariable, is equivalent to two separate 3-hour courses dedicated to Calculus II and Multivariable, respectively.

FkLA's math isn't adding up. Which isn't surprising.

They added a recitation section with a TA teaching the multivariable?

[The Reckoning]

l:loll math geeks

[GoodOdor]

FkLA's math isn't adding up. Which isn't surprising.

:lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm trying to figure out how one 4-hour Calculus II course, which supposedly includes multivariable, is equivalent to two separate 3-hour courses dedicated to Calculus II and Multivariable, respectively.

FkLA's math isn't adding up. Which isn't surprising.

http://utsa.edu/ucat/COS/MAT.html#mat1224

Here's the description of calc II at UTSA:
"Methods of integration, applications of the integral, sequences, series, and Taylor expansions. (Formerly MAT 1223. Credit cannot be earned for both MAT 1224 and MAT 1223.)"

:lol doesn't say anything about vectors or multivariable
:lol not any different than the typical calc II class

[Clipper Nation]

http://utsa.edu/ucat/COS/MAT.html#mat1224

Here's the description of calc II at UTSA:
"Methods of integration, applications of the integral, sequences, series, and Taylor expansions. (Formerly MAT 1223. Credit cannot be earned for both MAT 1224 and MAT 1223.)"

:lol doesn't say anything about vectors or multivariable
:lol not any different than the typical calc II class
lmfaoooooooo utsa :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Blake]

Youre so defensive. :lol

I wasnt attacking you. I called myself a damn near mathematician compared to what I thought was your basic finance degree with minimal maths. After I knew of the classes you took for your minor the not bad statement wasnt even meant in a bad way...as in that same sentence I implied that you couldve been an engineer.

smh utsa

[BUMP]

im an ME bump, you in engineering too brah ?

geophysics

imo

[jag]

:corn:

Where'd he go?

[DMC]

Anyone here ever designed and built a linear accelerator? Hit me up.

[FkLA]

i figured that was the idea behind it, altho like i said i didnt take that four hr cal ll class...check out EGR Analysis II tho, among other things theres a heavy dose of vector calculus. Its an accredited program so not sure why u niggas think the course material is any different.:lol

also :lol at the bitch niggas like CN who probably havent touched a calculus book

[Clipper Nation]

also :lol at the bitch niggas like CN who probably havent touched a calculus book

Maybe you should have taken Statistics instead, so you could learn why Diaw isn't better than Lee :lol

[FkLA]

Ive never even taken any college level maths but im going to lolutsa here bc im a bottom bitch tht really wants to fit in, B...

[Creepn]

l:loll math geeks

Exactly. They act like they're going to be the next Einstein.

[Creepn]

DOK, why in the hell you need all that math for? Is it real life necessity for you?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

DOK, why in the hell you need all that math for? Is it real life necessity for you?
As I've said repeatedly, it's not necessarily the math itself. It's the way taking those math classes enhances your ability to think critically and analytically. It's hard to explain to someone who hasn't taken that much math, but it gives you a huge leg up over people in areas you wouldn't think it would. Finance classes about derivative instruments that are supposed to be hard are extremely simple to me because of the math I've taken. The list of shit that's much easier for me to understand because of the math I've taken goes on.

In addition to that, all of the math I've taken does actually have real world application in finance. Matrices are used like crazy in high frequency trading, and as BB mentioned previously the Black-Scholes model was created with higher level calculus and it's one of the most widely used models in finance. All of the formulas like black-scholes that are used in finance were developed using calculus.

[Creepn]

As I've said repeatedly, it's not necessarily the math itself. It's the way taking those math classes enhances your ability to think critically and analytically. It's hard to explain to someone who hasn't taken that much math, but it gives you a huge leg up over people in areas you wouldn't think it would. Finance classes about derivative instruments that are supposed to be hard are extremely simple to me because of the math I've taken. The list of shit that's much easier for me to understand because of the math I've taken goes on.

In addition to that, all of the math I've taken does actually have real world application in finance. Matrices are used like crazy in high frequency trading, and as BB mentioned previously the Black-Scholes model was created with higher level calculus and it's one of the most widely used models in finance. All of the formulas like black-scholes that are used in finance were developed using calculus.
Lol you assuming I didn't take a lot of math because I'm African American huh dok?

I think it's hypocritical for you to blast English when it gives people a different kind of "leg up" in comparision to the "leg up" that math gives you. Just how you assume I wouldn't understand the advantage because I didn't take much math, the same could be said to you vice versa regarding English.

Also I'm still not convinced you're going to apply all that math in real life scenarios even if you took a career in finance which makes you look ridiculously hypocritical and selfish to me. What exactly is the profession you're seeking?

[FkLA]

^lol what bunch of maths did u take ?

and if nothing else doks minor looks good on his resume tbh

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Lol you assuming I didn't take a lot of math because I'm African American huh dok?
No, I'm assuming you didn't take a lot of math because you just questioned me about why I'd ever need that much math. But you already knew that, didn't you?


I think it's hypocritical for you to blast English when it gives people a different kind of "leg up" in comparision to the "leg up" that math gives you.
Yeah look at the starting salary of math majors vs. English majors then get back to me regarding which one has the leg up.


Just how you assume I wouldn't understand the advantage because I didn't take much math, the same could be said to you vice versa regarding English.
I've taken several bullshit writing classes required as geneds. They didn't do jack shit for me and didn't give me any kind of a leg up.


Also I'm still not convinced you're going to apply all that math in real life scenarios even if you took a career in finance which makes you look ridiculously hypocritical and selfish to me. What exactly is the profession you're seeking?
:lmao A career in finance makes me look hypocritical and selfish? I'd love to hear this one.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

^lol what bunch of maths did u take ?

and if nothing else doks minor looks good on his resume tbh
Bingo. In almost every interview I've had the person interviewing me goes off on a tangent about how, "That minor must have been hard!" It demonstrates a level of analytical thinking that people want working under them.

[BUMP]

FkLA, we take just about all the maths engineers at our school have to take (Calc I-III, Linear Algebra, and Dif Eq) with the exception of engineering statistics.

We also have to take a few engineering classes. Statics this semester (which, ironically, was one of my favorite classes I've taken in college) and then Mechanics of Solids in the fall when I graduate

[Creepn]

No, I'm assuming you didn't take a lot of math because you just questioned me about why I'd ever need that much math. But you already knew that, didn't you?


I know lots of people who took advanced math courses and they still question why they need all the math. Most of them take it either because they like it or they brag about it like the way you do. People who actually apply it to real life scenarios are in the minority. If you're in the minority, props, but I doubt you are.



Yeah look at the starting salary of math majors vs. English majors then get back to me regarding which one has the leg up.


We weren't talking about salary, we were talking about the intelligence benefits, but I agree wholeheartedly that there a higher paying jobs that are math intensive. That's why I pursued a computer science degree.



I've taken several bullshit writing classes required as geneds. They didn't do jack shit for me and didn't give me any kind of a leg up.


Of course it didn't do shit for you because you didn't pursue it. Political candidates wouldn't hire you to write speeches to sway people with all that math you took.



:lmao A career in finance makes me look hypocritical and selfish? I'd love to hear this one.

That's not what I said. See, your response is indicative to your lack of English academics, no biggie. What I said was that you was blasting English for not having any real world value but all the math you are taking isn't going to any real world value for you either. You never specified your career choice. Why?

[symple19]

uh-oh, sphagetti-o's

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I know lots of people who took advanced math courses and they still question why they need all the math. Most of them take it either because they like it or they brag about it like the way you do. People who actually apply it to real life scenarios are in the minority. If you're in the minority, props, but I doubt you are.
It's way too early to tell. If I ever go get my masters, the math I've taken is a requirement for any good masters in finance program.


We weren't talking about salary, we were talking about the intelligence benefits, but I agree wholeheartedly that there a higher paying jobs that are math intensive. That's why I pursued a computer science degree.
So then you did take all that math (honest question)....? Every computer science major I know is pretty beast at math, sans the one who flunked out of school :lol


Of course it didn't do shit for you because you didn't pursue it. Political candidates wouldn't hire you to write speeches to sway people with all that math you took.
They wouldn't hire someone for taking tons of English classes either. They'd hire a political science expert.

When you watch Sarah Palin/Rick Perry give a speech, does the content strike you as something written by an English academic?


That's not what I said. See, your response is indicative to your lack of English academics, no biggie. What I said was that you was blasting English for not having any real world value but all the math you are taking isn't going to any real world value for you either. You never specified your career choice. Why?
So how am I being selfish? I misread the other part but I'm still lost as to how I'm selfish.

You can also PM me if you're anxious to hear my career choice. I don't feel like sharing it openly.

[Nbadan]

FkLA, we take just about all the maths engineers at our school have to take (Calc I-III, Linear Algebra, and Dif Eq) with the exception of engineering statistics.

We also have to take a few engineering classes. Statics this semester (which, ironically, was one of my favorite classes I've taken in college) and then Mechanics of Solids in the fall when I graduate

Really all you need for a finance major IMO....now if your going into programing I recommend set theory and more theoretical math classes than just Cal 1-2-3

[baseline bum]

....now if your going into programing I recommend set theory and more theoretical math classes than just Cal 1-2-3

Yeah, you gotta be good with induction and probability to not get raped by upper division algorithms/data structures and automata/formal language courses. And then upper division algebra with ring theory and field theory is pretty important for security, but I don't know... maybe you can do ok learning the material from a number theory rather than algebra perspective?

[Nbadan]

Yeah, just judging from my own experience it is possible....I tried my hand at programming and while I likely could have made a nice cozy career out of it... It just was not enough to fulfill by love for abstract algebra and game theory..

[Nbadan]

as far as the OP if the kid had a beef about a teachers style, or like of, there are proper avenues for pursuing those grievances, but showboating in the middle of the classroom about it probably wasn't the best choice...we have to look at student progress and the way other students feel about the teacher before jumping to conclusions...

[FkLA]

FkLA, we take just about all the maths engineers at our school have to take (Calc I-III, Linear Algebra, and Dif Eq) with the exception of engineering statistics.

We also have to take a few engineering classes. Statics this semester (which, ironically, was one of my favorite classes I've taken in college) and then Mechanics of Solids in the fall when I graduate


Yeah, statics was the first class took after my core engineering classes and I enjoyed tbh. structure free on youtube though brah...watch it before you take the class. I got an A on statics and its a pre-req for Solids here so I took it the very next semester and it kicked my ass the first half. Normal and shear stresses/strains, poissons ratio (lateral/vetical strains), bending moments and shear strains be familiar with all that and youll be good.

[FkLA]

*bending moments and shear forces

[BUMP]

:lol Statics was one of those weird classes where it didn't really click until halfway through. For example, I had trouble figuring out how to correctly do moments (counterclockwise/clockwise shit really tripped me up) until we started applying it to trusses and machines and then it all just made sense.

tbh i had a low B throughout the course but once I realized how it all built on each other and understood everything, I completely raped the final. Waitin on meh grade atm, but it should be an A.