Will Russell Wilson, Marshawn Lynch and....

[Avante]

...Percy Harvin be the best..triplets..in the game today?

I know how history is frowned upon "here"...fuck it!

Other great triplets...

Colts...Johnny Unitas, Lenny Moore, Ray Berry..all in the HOF (along with TE John Mackay)
Chargers AFL..Tobin Rote, Paul Lowe, Lance Alworth
Jets AFL..Joe Namath, Matt Snell (Emerson Boozer) Don Maynard
Bills...Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Andre Reed
Cowboys...Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin...all in the HOF
Colts..Peyton Manning, Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison (Reggie Wayne!)

[J.T.]

Seriously dude, it can't be that hard to obtain Russell Wilson's phone number. Call him up and ask him on a date. This is getting ridiculous.

[Avante]

Seriously dude, it can't be that hard to obtain Russell Wilson's phone number. Call him up and ask him on a date. This is getting ridiculous.

What's getting ridiculous is how everything "here" has to be some big fucking load of crap.

So tell me can you think of a better threesome?

[J.T.]

What's getting ridiculous is how everything "here" has to be some big fucking load of crap.

So tell me can you think of a better threesome?

Tori Black, Samantha Ryan and Ann Marie Rios.

[Spur-Addict]

Good thread tbh, the love for DangeRussWilson is certainly warranted. The guy is a star in the making. Everyone wants to see a follow up to his rookie debut, and i'm sure it will be solid. Young QB, young WR, mid age RB, sounds good to me. I'm just wondering how things will pan out when we have to start paying more players. It's a legit concern.

As far as triplets are concerned, what about Warner, Faulk and Bruce? Perhaps Montana, Craig and The G.O.A.T? Maybe a little Bradshaw, Swann, and Harris as well.

[J.T.]

Good thread tbh, the love for DangeRussWilson is certainly warranted. The guy is a star in the making.

Avante's too chicken to ask him out, maybe you should?

[Spur-Addict]

Avante's too chicken to ask him out, maybe you should?

Cute LOL Perhaps after you remove Drew Lucks Penis from your ass, right?

[Avante]

Tori Black, Samantha Ryan and Ann Marie Rios.

So immature, sheesh~~~~~~~

[Avante]

Good thread tbh, the love for DangeRussWilson is certainly warranted. The guy is a star in the making. Everyone wants to see a follow up to his rookie debut, and i'm sure it will be solid. Young QB, young WR, mid age RB, sounds good to me. I'm just wondering how things will pan out when we have to start paying more players. It's a legit concern.

As far as triplets are concerned, what about Warner, Faulk and Bruce? Perhaps Montana, Craig and The G.O.A.T? Maybe a little Bradshaw, Swann, and Harris as well.

Now that's what Im talking about, a man who knows football, very cool.

Sure with those you mentioned but John Stallworth was actually the better receiver. Swann so over rated.

Don't forget the Dolphins with...Bob Griese, Larry Czonka (Mercury Morris) and Paul Warfield, all three in the HOF.

[Avante]

Cute LOL Perhaps after you remove Drew Lucks Penis from your ass, right?

Some here actually think without their approval, hahahaha!!!!!!!!! J.T. is one of those.

Good stuff!!!

[J.T.]

Cute LOL Perhaps after you remove Drew Lucks Penis from your ass, right?

I haven't started like 14 threads praising how awesome Andrew Luck is the way Avante feels the need to suck off Wilson every other week. I really don't even comment on anything other than the fact that he didn't get enough credit for taking a thoroughly broken team to the playoffs when Wilson had a supremely better roster and RG3 more talent around him. Plus the Hawks and Skins both have run games while the Colts do not.

At least Andrew Luck's season didn't end with him throwing a pass to the other team.


So immature, sheesh~~~~~~~

I think we found the one thing Avante isn't an internet expert on: adult film stars. Don't blame you though, porn sucked back when you were devoting your life to memorizing shit.

[Spur-Addict]

I haven't started like 14 threads praising how awesome Andrew Luck is the way Avante feels the need to suck off Wilson every other week. I really don't even comment on anything other than the fact that he didn't get enough credit for taking a thoroughly broken team to the playoffs when Wilson had a supremely better roster and RG3 more talent around him. Plus the Hawks and Skins both have run games while the Colts do not.

At least Andrew Luck's season didn't end with him throwing a pass to the other team.



I think we found the one thing Avante isn't an internet expert on: adult film stars. Don't blame you though, porn sucked back when you were devoting your life to memorizing shit.

And what does any of this have to do with me? LOL Did I create 14 threads? Nope. If you don't like my response, then don't provoke it.

I could care less about the Colts running game/defense or lack thereof. We do not know how either would perform under different conditions so I will not bother commenting on it. Both are really good QBs with bright futures IMO.

Good luck in week 5 btw, should be a good one.

[Avante]

I haven't started like 14 threads praising how awesome Andrew Luck is the way Avante feels the need to suck off Wilson every other week. I really don't even comment on anything other than the fact that he didn't get enough credit for taking a thoroughly broken team to the playoffs when Wilson had a supremely better roster and RG3 more talent around him. Plus the Hawks and Skins both have run games while the Colts do not.

At least Andrew Luck's season didn't end with him throwing a pass to the other team.



I think we found the one thing Avante isn't an internet expert on: adult film stars. Don't blame you though, porn sucked back when you were devoting your life to memorizing shit.

Nobody gives a shit about all that crap, the bottom line....Wilson was seconds away from playing in the NFC title game. Luck one and done. You do know that last pass was a hail mary....right? How many turnovers did Luck have, tons~~~~~~~~

Yep, not up on my porn, hahahaha!!!!!!!! Do you really think I have to work at memorizing things, just a gift.

Why not just be cool guy, ok?

[J.T.]

Nobody gives a shit about all that crap, the bottom line....Wilson was seconds away from playing in the NFC title game. Luck one and done. You do know that last pass was a hail mary....right? How many turnovers did Luck have, tons~~~~~~~~

Yep, not up on my porn, hahahaha!!!!!!!! Do you really think I have to work at memorizing things, just a gift.

Why not just be cool guy, ok?

Been through the ringer with you time and again, each time you say you're going to either going to leave or stop making lists and never keep your word. There is no being cool between us.

And a game losing interception is still a game losing interception unless you're playing the Packers with replacement refs. Guarantee you that midget fuck takes a step back this year.

[chunticakes]

you forgot about the galloping ghost tbqmfh...

[Avante]

Been through the ringer with you time and again, each time you say you're going to either going to leave or stop making lists and never keep your word. There is no being cool between us.

And a game losing interception is still a game losing interception unless you're playing the Packers with replacement refs. Guarantee you that midget fuck takes a step back this year.

What you don't seem to get is when I see a crybaby like you I don't really concern myself too much over well...anything. Ever notice I don't post in threads here that don't interest me? Do you see me entering threads just to wahwah?

I guarantee Wilson will be far more successful in his career than either RGIII and Andrew Luck. RGIII isn't done getting hurt and Luck isnt done losing games because of turnovers.

[Avante]

you forgot about the galloping ghost tbqmfh...

So tell me where did Grange get that nickname?

[J.T.]

I guarantee Wilson will be far more successful in his career than either RGIII and Andrew Luck. RGIII isn't done getting hurt and Luck isnt done losing games because of turnovers.

Avante for all the years of being this big great NFL fan, you won't get off of Luck for the turnovers in his rookie season, in which he was asked to basically be the team's entire offense. Luck had less turnovers than Peyton Manning did as a rookie, and Peyton had a superior offensive line and Marshall Faulk to hand the ball off to. Shut the fuck up already. You clearly like Wilson and Griffin more, why not just come out and say that? Your smoke screen is fucking ridiculous.

If Russell Wilson had as many pass attempts as Luck, his interceptions would have been higher too. I'm sure it's harder to see that with his dick in your mouth all the time, but it's the truth. You're just like ESPN... going after what's "new" and "cool" like a little fucking boy.

[Avante]

Avante for all the years of being this big great NFL fan, you won't get off of Luck for the turnovers in his rookie season, in which he was asked to basically be the team's entire offense. Luck had less turnovers than Peyton Manning did as a rookie, and Peyton had a superior offensive line and Marshall Faulk to hand the ball off to. Shut the fuck up already. You clearly like Wilson and Griffin more, why not just come out and say that? Your smoke screen is fucking ridiculous.

If Russell Wilson had as many pass attempts as Luck, his interceptions would have been higher too. I'm sure it's harder to see that with his dick in your mouth all the time, but it's the truth. You're just like ESPN... going after what's "new" and "cool" like a little fucking boy.

You don't remember me talking about Wilson..BEFORE...he ever threw a pass in an NFL game? Fuck yes I did.

You might suck cocks asshole, I don't.

Andrew Luck had more INT's than TD's while RW was tying the TD record for rookies. The bottom like moron is that only Russell Wilson did anything in the playoffs, which is what really matters. He didn't miss games like RGIII did, he wasn't a turnover machine like Andrew Luck. That's how it really was. And don't try to lay this lameass bullshit about..."if he'd thrown the ball more"....do your homework slick, ok?

Rookie year RW comes within seconds of winning two playoff games while RGIII/Luck couldn't win one betwen um.

[J.T.]

You don't remember me talking about Wilson..BEFORE...he ever threw a pass in an NFL game? Fuck yes I did.

You might suck cocks asshole, I don't.

Andrew Luck had more INT's than TD's while RW was tying the TD record for rookies. The bottom like moron is that only Russell Wilson did anything in the playoffs, which is what really matters. He didn't miss games like RGIII did, he wasn't a turnover machine like Andrew Luck. That's how it really was. And don't try to lay this lameass bullshit about..."if he'd thrown the ball more"....do your homework slick, ok?

Rookie year RW comes within seconds of winning two playoff games while RGIII/Luck couldn't win one betwen um.

Luck's TD:INT last year was 23:18. Even if you include fumbles, he's even. He absolutely did not have more turnovers than touchdowns, you just have a bias against him and the more difficult situation he is in because your boy Russell Wilson got drafted in the 3rd round by a team that didn't even need a QB. Russell Wilson's team was getting the business put to them by the Redskins and didn't start winning until the RG3 injury. Don't act like it's all because of Wilson. And for all this "Andrew Luck is a turnover machine" talk coming out of your ass, he's not the one who walked off the field delivering the ball to the other team on his last play.

I bet you $1,000 that Andrew Luck wins the Super Bowl first. 2013 Colts have a much better offensive line, a lot better defense and an offensive scheme that suits Luck more than the previous one, which lent itself to more interceptions anyway.

[Avante]

See if you can find Luck on this list.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating

I did get confused with all his turnovers.

You got a bet amigo, no way in hell the Colts are winning a Superbowl anytime soon.

Are you really that far gone? Wilson threw a desperation pass on that last throw you really don't know that?

Bottom line

Russell Wilson is a better QB than Andrew Luck as we will see starting in September.

[J.T.]

*gurgling sounds*

What? I couldn't make out a word you just said. Get that dick out of your mouth please.

[Avante]

What? I couldn't make out a word you just said. Get that dick out of your mouth please.

You sure talk about dicks a lot.

I noticed you totally ignored....where's Luck.....why? Could it be because he's way down there? Smart move faggot.

Russel Wilson the number 4 ranked QB, Luck was what.....26th? 26th????????? Hahahahaha!!!!!!! Oh hell yes he's almost a Superbowl winner, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Wilson with a 64.1 completion %, now add a rookie record TD season.
Luck a weak 54.1 completion %, now add all those INT's.

Hell, Mark Sanchez....54.3 completion %.

[J.T.]

*gagging sounds*

Yep, still can't make sense of any of that. Try again tomorrow?

[Avante]

Yep, still can't make sense of any of that. Try again tomorrow?

You're getting your ass kicked little fella, your 26th ranked QB simply doesn't measure up. A worst completion % than Mark Sanchez.

But playing dumb does look good on you.

Reality little guy...

Russell Wilson had a better completion %, threw more TD passes, threw less INT's, had a higher QB ranking, won more games. Now just what the fuck are you looking at? Only...one...starting QB had a worst completion % than Andrew Luck.

[J.T.]

He also threw about half as many passes, had a better offensive line, had a running back that put up offense, and just happened to play QB for the team ranked #4 in total defense. He was on a 10-6 team that got one of the luckiest breaks of all time when the replacement refs gave them a free win to get to 11 wins, whilst Luck won all 11 of his team's games, and put up all of those interceptions in the first 75% of the season.

All you do is look at stats and see Luck's interceptions and talk shit about his ROOKIE SEASON. Luck had more picks than the other two guys, but he also took more sacks and was running from a broken pocket on almost every single play. It is not my fault that you didn't watch Colts games and don't know this. Maybe pull your eyes off of last season's stat sheet and realize the Colts greatly improved their offensive line and changed their offense to the one Luck is absolutely most comfortable with. If he has 68+% completion and 3:1 on TD:INT this season I wouldn't at all be surprised. You were coming in here with your "gifted" memory and incorrectly pointing out Luck had more turnovers (specifically picks) than touchdowns, when he didn't, because it helps make your guy look better.

Wilson plays on a team with more talent, a run game that's worth a damn, and one of the best defenses in the NFL and won just as many games as Luck last year. He also didn't win the Super Bowl. You're getting this giant boner over one playoff win that only happened because RG3's knee exploded. You're biased, won't admit it, and enjoy sucking Russell Wilson's dick. My work here is done.

[Avante]

He also threw about half as many passes, had a better offensive line, had a running back that put up offense, and just happened to play QB for the team ranked #1 in total defense. He was on a 10-6 team that got one of the luckiest breaks of all time when the replacement refs gave them a free win to get to 11 wins, whilst Luck won all 11 of his team's games, and put up all of those interceptions in the first 75% of the season.

All you do is look at stats and see Luck's interceptions and talk shit about his ROOKIE SEASON. Luck had more picks than the other two guys, but he also took more sacks and was running from a broken pocket on almost every single play. It is not my fault that you didn't watch Colts games and don't know this. Maybe pull your eyes off of last season's stat sheet and realize the Colts greatly improved their offensive line and changed their offense to the one Luck is absolutely most comfortable with. If he has 68+% completion and 3:1 on TD:INT this season I wouldn't at all be surprised. You were coming in here with your "gifted" memory and incorrectly pointing out Luck had more turnovers (specifically picks) than touchdowns, when he didn't, because it helps make your guy look better.

Wilson plays on a team with more talent, a run game that's worth a damn, and one of the best defenses in the NFL and won just as many games as Luck last year. He also didn't win the Super Bowl. You're getting this giant boner over one playoff win that only happened because RG3's knee exploded. You're biased, won't admit it, and enjoy sucking Russell Wilson's dick. My work here is done.

There you go again talking about boners and sucking dicks, sick little faggot.

Dude, do you know anything at all about completion % or QB ratings? You don't do ya. too fucking busy taking it in the ass ya perverted fuck. Only Chad Henne had a worst completion %. Did Wilson almost win two playoff games or not, yes he did. What did Luck win, yep...nothing.

Dude, Andrew Luck was the 26th ranked QB, Russell Wilson the 4th ranked even a moron like you can figure that one out. Why not get off your knees pervert and actually learn something.

[J.T.]

There you go again talking about boners and sucking dicks, sick little faggot.

Dude, do you know anything at all about completion % or QB ratings? You don't do ya. too fucking busy taking it in the ass ya perverted fuck. Only Chad Henne had a worst completion %. Did Wilson almost win two playoff games or not, yes he did. What did Luck win, yep...nothing.

Dude, Andrew Luck was the 26th ranked QB, Russell Wilson the 4th ranked even a moron like you can figure that one out. Why not get off your knees pervert and actually learn something.

And he won 11 legitimate games vs Wilson's 10. Once again, you just point to last year's stat sheet and toot Russell Wilson's horn. I know you watched zero Colts games last year so your perspective is irrelevant and you're just living in the past like you can't seem to stop doing. Nothing to see here folks. Just a sad old man.

[Avante]

Once again, you just point to last year's stat sheet and toot Russell Wilson's horn. I know you watched zero Colts games last year so your perspective is irrelevant and you're just living in the past like you can't seem to stop doing. Nothing to see here folks. Just a sad old man.

2012 is living in the past, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nobody is sad or old, but we most certainly have an idiot who has no clue what competion % means. Dude, the cat threw the fuck out of the ball but wasn't accurate, that's why he had next to the worst completion % in the league. That's why he threw all those INT's, he's not a great passer obviously.

Russell Wilson did everything better, not even debatable. Sorry about those stats that prove Luck was in the bottom 4th of the league whille Wilson was in the top...4.

Yep, nothing like ancient history...2012, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! Little man, your boy threw less TD's, had a shitty completion %, a shitty QB ranking, a ton of INT's. So cool your bullshit, ok?

I need to have seen all the Colts games? Why? Would that have made any difference in his shitty stats?

[J.T.]

Ignorant Bullshit

You say Mark Sanchez had a better year yet was on a 6-10 team. For all of Luck's shitty stats, how come he was able to win 11 games? Maybe because he's a winner, while Wilson plays for a team that's a winner. Can't wait to see what Luck does with an improved roster this year. Probably gets more than 26 TDs.

Football is a team game, dipshit. Luck's stats were worse than Wilson's because his team wasn't as talented. You are giving Wilson credit for his team's overall success and exclusively blaming Luck for his team's overall failures. That is called bias. You cannot have it both ways, faggot. I'm done with this thread until you can accept the fact that you're not always right. In fact you're wrong on less than 70% of the shit you post here.

[Avante]

You say Mark Sanchez had a better year yet was on a 6-10 team. For all of Luck's shitty stats, how come he was able to win 11 games? Maybe because he's a winner, while Wilson plays for a team that's a winner. Can't wait to see what Luck does with an improved roster this year. Probably gets more than 26 TDs.

Football is a team game, dipshit. Luck's stats were worse than Wilson's because his team wasn't as talented. You are giving Wilson credit for his team's overall success and exclusively blaming Luck for his team's overall failures. That is called bias. You cannot have it both ways, faggot. I'm done with this thread until you can accept the fact that you're not always right. In fact you're wrong on less than 70% of the shit you post here.

I don't even like the Seahawks faggot, I'm a Niner fan remember?

I'm just as right about things as anyone else is around here. So why bullshit?

Seattle beat the Niners and Pats, forget the Packer game. The Colts did beat the Packers in the last seconds. Who else did they beat, hell they lost to Jacksonville, the Jets.....hahaha!!!!!!!

Everything ya look at favors Wilson and the Seahawks.

Pull your head out of your ass amigo, ok? A 54.1 completion % is terrible.

[symple19]

Luck will be better. Question is, who will get bitten by the sophomore slump?

Here's something for ya, Avante.

Two career stat lines, tell me who is the better Quarterback

1. Comp-4035 Att-6149 %-65.7 TD-324 INT-165 YDS-45,919 QB RTG-94.3

2. Comp-3409 Att-5391 %-63.2 TD-273 INT-139 YDS-40,551 QB RTG-92.3

Now, here are the total wins from those two Quarterbacks, not necessarily in the same order

1. 117 %- .713

2. 99 %- .586

[Avante]

What does Joe Montana vs Drew Brees have to do with this? At least stay in the same era.

What has Luck done to even hint at him being the better QB?

[symple19]

What does Joe Montana vs Drew Brees have to do with this? At least stay in the same era.

What has Luck done to even hint at him being the better QB?

It just shows that you only look at stats, and stats alone don't EVER tell the whole story.

Luck = Better mechanics
Luck = Better intangibles (did more with less)
Luck = Better getting through progressions
Luck = Better at spreading it around
Luck = Smarter (Stanford>NC State/Wis)
Luck = Single-handedly won games for his team (Wilson didn't)
Luck = Stronger arm
Luck = Throws better deep balls

Now, Russel Wilson had a good year, I'll admit it, but he was a game manager whereas Luck was a game changer. If Wilson gets them back to the playoffs this year and wins another game, while Luck doesn't, then i'll be happy to revisit this discussion.

Wilson?

Wilson = More mobile
Wilson = Throws better on the move
Wilson = Better decision making

Otherwise, I'm not willing to give him any edges in any other category. This year will be telling, imo.

So, if you resume throwing stats out, just look at my Brees/Montana comparison again.

That's what I got, no way am I getting into another argument with someone who never admits they're wrong about anything, nor is willing to concede any points


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Rjn6W9jYk

[Lincoln]

Were the redskins not moving the ball with ease being up 14-0 and getting close to setting a first quarter yardage record against this "stacked" Seahawks defense? Lucky that rg3 tweaked his knee right before the 2nd touchdown pass

[Lincoln]

It's sad that even with a stacked team and a top3 defense, Russell technically only won 10 games

[Avante]

It just shows that you only look at stats, and stats alone don't EVER tell the whole story.

Luck = Better mechanics
Luck = Better intangibles (did more with less)
Luck = Better getting through progressions
Luck = Better at spreading it around
Luck = Smarter (Stanford>NC State/Wis)
Luck = Single-handedly won games for his team (Wilson didn't)
Luck = Stronger arm
Luck = Throws better deep balls

Now, Russel Wilson had a good year, I'll admit it, but he was a game manager whereas Luck was a game changer. If Wilson gets them back to the playoffs this year and wins another game, while Luck doesn't, then i'll be happy to revisit this discussion.

Wilson?

Wilson = More mobile
Wilson = Throws better on the move
Wilson = Better decision making

Otherwise, I'm not willing to give him any edges in any other category. This year will be telling, imo.

So, if you resume throwing stats out, just look at my Brees/Montana comparison again.

That's what I got, no way am I getting into another argument with someone who never admits they're wrong about anything, nor is willing to concede any points


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Rjn6W9jYk

Only two stats really matter to me when it comes to football.

Running backs...average per carry.

QB's...completion %.......which tells it all right there. Andrew Luck sucked in that department, totally and completely. No way around it. That is the stat that tells you what sort of passer someone is. You cannot have a completion % that weak and be bragged about.

Let's see what happens.

[Avante]

It's sad that even with a stacked team and a top3 defense, Russell technically only won 10 games


How many times did RW play Jacksonville/Tennesee, Cleveland, and Buffalo?

RW beat the Niners, Pats your Redskins, who did Luck beat besides the Packers?

[Avante]

Were the redskins not moving the ball with ease being up 14-0 and getting close to setting a first quarter yardage record against this "stacked" Seahawks defense? Lucky that rg3 tweaked his knee right before the 2nd touchdown pass


I wish I had a buck for everytime we saw a game of two totally different halfs in football. Bottom line is always the same...who won the game?

[Lincoln]

I saw that Russell was very average against the 29th ranked passing defense

[Trill Clinton]

its still too early to say who's better between luck and russy. russy had the better season, though. i wouldn't call throwing 26 td's to tie peyton manning's rookie record a game manager. dude is a legit qb, he's not in the same class as mark sanchez.

[Avante]

its still too early to say who's better between luck and russy. russy had the better season, though. i wouldn't call throwing 26 td's to tie peyton manning's rookie record a game manager. dude is a legit qb, he's not in the same class as mark sanchez.

Why is it we see what's really going on while so many don't?

[Trill Clinton]

Why is it we see what's really going on while so many don't?

he's an enigma. black qb's will always be seen as inferior, but the league is slowly becoming a black qb league.

[Avante]

he's an enigma. black qb's will always be seen as inferior, but the league is slowly becoming a black qb league.

Not sure..black QB..league, but without question...mobile QB league.

[J.T.]

The NFL isn't becoming a black QB's league any more than it has remained a copycat league. Team X drafts a black QB and has success, so Team Y drafts a black QB thinking they'll have success too. Meanwhile the white man continues to win Super Bowls. In three years Russell Wilson and RG3 will both be dead (or have no knees) and so will the Pistol/read option because juiced up linebackers are just going to start laying a big hit on the QB during any read option play regardless of whether he keeps the ball.

[Trill Clinton]

Not sure..black QB..league, but without question...mobile QB league.

i agree with that. mobile qb's with the majority being black.


The NFL isn't becoming a black QB's league any more than it has remained a copycat league. Team X drafts a black QB and has success, so Team Y drafts a black QB thinking they'll have success too. Meanwhile the white man continues to win Super Bowls. In three years Russell Wilson and RG3 will both be dead (or have no knees) and so will the Pistol/read option because juiced up linebackers are just going to start laying a big hit on the QB during any read option play regardless of whether he keeps the ball.

i don't think its a copycat because there have been several black qb's before. its just at this present time, they're far more advanced than their predecessor's and can actually run and throw with some accuracy. we're finally putting the pieces together, doggie. those same juiced up linebackers can injure the slow, statuesque prototype qb. the league is getting faster, you need faster qb's to counter that.

[Avante]

The NFL isn't becoming a black QB's league any more than it has remained a copycat league. Team X drafts a black QB and has success, so Team Y drafts a black QB thinking they'll have success too. Meanwhile the white man continues to win Super Bowls. In three years Russell Wilson and RG3 will both be dead (or have no knees) and so will the Pistol/read option because juiced up linebackers are just going to start laying a big hit on the QB during any read option play regardless of whether he keeps the ball.

Are you simply blind or not paying attention? The days of the unathletic/pocket passer are fading. We see it in evey draft, just like this draft.

Wise up guy.

[benefactor]

Looks like another thread where Avante get's backed down in the paint and can only a) flop in a weak attempt to draw the charge or b) attempt to hold his ground while getting bullied with a power move, allowing his opponent to score the basket and draw the foul.

[Avante]

Looks like another thread where Avante get's backed down in the paint and can only a) flop in a weak attempt to draw the charge or b) attempt to hold his ground while getting bullied with a power move, allowing his opponent to score the basket and draw the foul.

Do you even know what's being talked about here? Can you even talk football?

[J.T.]

The days of the unathletic/pocket passer are fading.

Last 10 Super Bowl winning QBs:

Joe Flacco
Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Tom Brady
Tom Brady

Please fucking leave this forum right now, you're right like 2% of the time and that's a generous estimate.

[Avante]

Last 10 Super Bowl winning QBs:

Joe Flacco
Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Tom Brady
Tom Brady

Please fucking leave this forum right now, you're right like 2% of the time and that's a generous estimate.

You can't be as stupid as you act. Do you honestly believe the guy who can name every SB winning QB doesn't know that list?

Pay attention dummy...

We are talking about ...THE FUTURE....based on what we are seeing today, ok ya get that moron? Tell me what kind of QB was drafted first? How about second? Didn't we have a 4.5 sprinter qb in the SB?

Is this little shit for real?

[vander]

one's old, one's injury prone and has a bad attitude, and one is short and an average, maybe below average QB, when he can't out-athlete potential tacklers

[Avante]

one's old, one's injury prone and has a bad attitude, and one is short and an average, maybe below average QB, when he can't out-athlete potential tacklers

So you don't follow football much.

[J.T.]

We see it in evey draft, just like this draft.



We are talking about ...THE FUTURE....based on what we are seeing today, ok ya get that moron?

It's adorable how you amend your arguments when they start to crumble.

[Avante]

It's adorable how you amend your arguments when they start to crumble.

I assumed you had enought common sense to know I'm talking about recently. Are you saying ...no we aren't seeing more mobile QB's than ever?

[symple19]

There's no such things as fads in the NFL

cordially, the run n shoot and the wildcat

[benefactor]

Run and Shoot......:bang

[mojorizen7]

Warner
Bruce
Faulk

[mojorizen7]

There's no such things as fads in the NFL

cordially, the run n shoot and the wildcat

:lol

[gaKNOW!blee]

Only two stats really matter to me when it comes to football.

Running backs...average per carry.

QB's...completion %.......which tells it all right there. Andrew Luck sucked in that department, totally and completely. No way around it. That is the stat that tells you what sort of passer someone is. You cannot have a completion % that weak and be bragged about.

Let's see what happens.

So Matt Ryan > Rodgers, Manning, Brees and Brady?

and Bernard Pierce is the 7th best RB in the league? Got it.


You just listed two of the most deceiving stats in all of football. Obviously the higher the better but they don't tell the whole story as you seem to suggest. Style of offense, check downs, drops, garbage time, long runs skewing the average...etc. Too many variables.

[Avante]

So Matt Ryan > Rodgers, Manning, Brees and Brady?

and Bernard Pierce is the 7th best RB in the league? Got it.


You just listed two of the most deceiving stats in all of football. Obviously the higher the better but they don't tell the whole story as you seem to suggest. Style of offense, check downs, drops, garbage time, long runs skewing the average...etc. Too many variables.

Got it...hahahaha!!!!!!!!! Who the fuck you talking to midget?

Average per carry, says it all when it comes to a running back. Sure the pounders are judged differently.

Completion % is the biggie. That's the stat that tells it all.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Wow what a fucking retard.

Seriously. You're retarted. You have Down syndrome.

[Avante]

Wow what a fucking retard.

Seriously. You're retarted. You have Down syndrome.

Nope, just know a lot of football.

[spurraider21]

I'd take Favre, Ahman Green, and any WR from those packer teams over the Seachicken trio
Heck, Carson Palmer, Rudi Johnson, Chad Johnson > yours

[Avante]

I'd take Favre, Ahman Green, and any WR from those packer teams over the Seachicken trio
Heck, Carson Palmer, Rudi Johnson, Chad Johnson > yours

So what was in your opinion the best Raider triplets?

[spurraider21]

So what was in your opinion the best Raider triplets?
Probably Stabler, Van Eghen, Belitnikoff
Plunkett, Allen, Branch too

or modern era Gannon, Garner, Rice/Brown pick either

i don't think Wilson or harvin are anywhere near proven enough to be on any sort of all time ranking

[Avante]

Probably Stabler, Van Eghen, Belitnikoff
Plunkett, Allen, Branch too

or modern era Gannon, Garner, Rice/Brown pick either

i don't think Wilson or harvin are anywhere near proven enough to be on any sort of all time ranking

I agree about none of the Seahawks and all time.

I like your Stabler, Van Eeghan and Biletnikoff.

I will never understand how Lynn Swann (other than SB exploits) can be in the Hall of Fame while Cliff Branch isn't. Branch's stats are far superior to Swann's. Branch also out stats Bob Hayes another HOFrer.

You familiar with Warren Wells?

[spurraider21]

I agree about none of the Seahawks and all time.

I like your Stabler, Van Eeghan and Biletnikoff.

I will never understand how Lynn Swann (other than SB exploits) can be in the Hall of Fame while Cliff Branch isn't. Branch's stats are far superior to Swann's. Branch also out stats Bob Hayes another HOFrer.

You familiar with Warren Wells?
Super old school. I believe he held some yard/catch records. Art Powell is another one. Daryle Lamonica is my favorite raiders qb tbh

[Avante]

Super old school. I believe he held some yard/catch records. Art Powell is another one. Daryle Lamonica is my favorite raiders qb tbh

You being a Raider fan are well aware of that vaunted Raider vertical game. You are also aware of Al Davis 's thing about speed. Well it was Warren Wells a 9.4 sprinter out of Texas Southern who started it all, he was the reason Lamonica was called ...The Mad Bomber. Lamonica to Wells was the best long ball duo in all of football not just the old AFL. Wells was amazing. Nobody could run with him and nobody had a better long ball than Lamonica.

Wells got busted for drug sales. Yep, prison.

Art Powell one of the great AFL receivers, was out of San Jose State. He belongs with Brown, Biletnikoff and Branch, can't include Wells because his career was too short.

[spurraider21]

You being a Raider fan are well aware of that vaunted Raider vertical game. You are also aware of Al Davis 's thing about speed. Well it was Warren Wells a 9.4 sprinter out of Texas Southern who started it all, he was the reason Lamonica was called ...The Mad Bomber. Lamonica to Wells was the best long ball duo in all of football not just the old AFL. Wells was amazing. Nobody could run with him and nobody had a better long ball than Lamonica.

Wells got busted for drug sales. Yep, prison.

Art Powell one of the great AFL receivers, was out of San Jose State. He belongs with Brown, Biletnikoff and Branch, can't include Wells because his career was too short.
:toast
Undoubtedly the greatest nickname a quarterback ever had. Good to speak with a fellow football historian. Most of this was way before my time but I'm enamored with the history of the sport. Own a lot DVD/VHS stuff of the older days.

[Avante]

:toast
Undoubtedly the greatest nickname a quarterback ever had. Good to speak with a fellow football historian. Most of this was way before my time but I'm enamored with the history of the sport. Own a lot DVD/VHS stuff of the older days.

One of the great nicknames period. Lamonica doesn't get his props as you know.

Clemon Daneils out of Prairie View was the Raiders first great back, their first 1000 yard rusher. Had good power with some wiggle and speed.

When it comes to speed, the Raiders have had more than most countries, dead serious.

Anytime ya wanna talk NFL/AFL history, cool with me. Just come here.

[spurraider21]

One of the great nicknames period. Lamonica doesn't get his props as you know.

Clemon Daneils out of Prairie View was the Raiders first great back, their first 1000 yard rusher. Had good power with some wiggle and speed.

When it comes to speed, the Raiders have had more than most countries, dead serious.

Anytime ya wanna talk NFL/AFL history, cool with me. Just come here.

To me, Clem Daniels is synonymous with the "sea of hands"

[Avante]

To me, Clem Daniels is synonymous with the "sea of hands"

That was USC's Clarence Davis. Daneils was there with Lamonica. Daneils and Florida A&M's Hewritt Dixon one of the great running back duos, something the old AFL was known for.

[spurraider21]

ah wow. good call. late night for me!

[Avante]

ah wow. good call. late night for me!

Obvious what happened...C-lem, C-larence, D-aneils, D-avis.

[GaryJohnston]

Russel will be the second best QB from this draft class, right after Luck and before Kirk Cousins

[Avante]

Russel will be the second best QB from this draft class, right after Luck and before Kirk Cousins

I'm really not getting the deal with Luck. He did throw a truck load of INT's, he couldn't even complete 55% of his passes. Only one starter had a worst completion %. While there's RW winning playoff games, tying TD records, completing 64% of his throws, had the 4th best QB ranking in the league. Came within seconds of playing in the NFC title game.

Take the names off the two and just list what A (Luck) and B (Russell) did and nobody could side with A.

A...lost playoff game, completed less than 55% of his throws, threw a ton of INT's
B...came within seconds of winning two playoff games, completed over 64% of his passes, tied the rookie TD record

Who is better?

[GaryJohnston]

I'm really not getting the deal with Luck. He did throw a truck load of INT's, he couldn't even complete 55% of his passes. Only one starter had a worst completion %. While there's RW winning playoff games, tying TD records, completing 64% of his throws, had the 4th best QB ranking in the league. Came within seconds of playing in the NFC title game.

Take the names off the two and just list what A (Luck) and B (Russell) did and nobody could side with A.

A...lost playoff game, completed less than 55% of his throws, threw a ton of INT's
B...came within seconds of winning two playoff games, completed over 64% of his passes, tied the rookie TD record

Who is better?

A is still better.

You want to completely write out these guys careers based on their rookie year. That's just asinine. Wilson obviously has a better supporting cast at this point.

But, you'll see in due time...

[Avante]

A is still better.

You want to completely write out these guys careers based on their rookie year. That's just asinine. Wilson obviously has a better supporting cast at this point.

But, you'll see in due time...

Well no A is not better. He did nothing better.

Didn't Luck have Reggie Wayne?

I realize we are just talking rookie season (obviously) but I saw nothing to even hint that RW won't be the better QB.

RW did far more in the playoffs, he had by far the better completion %, had less INT's, tied the rookie TD record. What more could he have done, win the SB? Who had a better rookie season counting the playoffs in NFL history? Well it wasn't...Brett Favre, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Troy Aikman, Tom Brady, Eli Manning, John Elway, Steve Young.

[J.T.]

According to Avante, Andrew Luck is not as good a QB as Russell Wilson because he had a lower completion percentage.

THE FACTS:
-Andrew Luck played behind an offensive line that allowed 41 sacks, a combination of 256 hits, pressures, & sacks and was frequently running from the pocket and throwing on the run. Very low percentage throws. Since then, the Colts have phenomenally upgraded their offensive line in free agency and the draft.

-Andrew Luck played for the team ranked 26th in total defense. Russell Wilson played for the team ranked 4th in total defense. The QB does not play defense so Avante will tell you this doesn't matter as far as his argument is concerned but it does. When your defense sucks, your offense is almost guaranteed to have to throw the ball a lot more to win games. Since then, the Colts have phenomenally upgraded their defense in free agency and the draft.

-Accordingly, Andrew Luck attempted 627 passes in 2012. Wilson attempted 393.

-The Seahawks won 11 games, but really only legitimately won 10 because of the Replacement Ref Game Winning Interception that Wilson threw. The Colts legitimately won 11 games 100% because Andrew Luck was their quarterback.

-The Seahawks run a version of the West Coast Offense which has an extreme emphasis on high-percentage throws. Andrew Luck had a lower completion percentage because the Colts were running the Bruce Arians offense, which essentially tries to get a 50+ yard play on every drive. That is a low percentage throw for any QB, thus Luck's lower completion percentage. That throw is also a high risk for an interception, thus Luck's higher number of interceptions. In 2013, the Colts are switching to the West Coast Offense under Andrew Luck's OC at Stanford, Pep Hamilton, under whom he completed 70% or more of his passes in his final two NCAA seasons.

Avante just looks at the stat sheet when he goes on about his Russell Wilson fetish. I have repeatedly pointed out the circumstances under which both QBs played, but the fact that Andrew Luck played for a less talented team in an offense that extremely subjected him to not only a high number of pass attempts, but a high number of low-percentage pass attempts simply flies over his head. When I mention the fact that Wilson's season ended with the ball in the other team's hands on a pass that he threw, I got this response.


Wilson was seconds away from playing in the NFC title game. Luck one and done. You do know that last pass was a hail mary....right? How many turnovers did Luck have, tons~~~~~~~~

Hail Mary. A low percentage throw with an extreme propensity toward being intercepted. The same kind of passes Luck was throwing frequently because his team had barely any talent, couldn't play defense, was constantly behind in games and because the offense was designed around going for long passes.

[Avante]

Bottom line

Facts are facts!

RW had the better season and it's not even debatable. RW the 4th rated QB, Luck the 26th ranked.

I go with reality. RW tying TD records, Luck throwing INT's. RW winning playoff games, Luck losing playoff games. A 64 completion% vs a 54 completion %.

It's very obvious who had the better season here.

Now look at who the Seahawks beat and who the Colts beat.

All we can really do is see how 2013 goes. So let's do that, nobody is giving an inch on 2012.

[J.T.]

RW had the better season and it's not even debatable. RW the 4th rated QB, Luck the 26th ranked.

That has not once ever been what we're debating. You continually perpetuate this myth that Russell Wilson is the Tom Brady of the 2012 draft and in that last post and many others before it, I have continually and factually detailed why Luck's 2012 should not be the measuring stick for his overall skill. Luck on the 2012 Seahawks probably puts up equal or better stats to Wilson "and it's not even debatable." Wilson on the 2012 Colts probably has a broken shoulder and doesn't finish the season.

[J.T.]

Also not to rip off your shtick or anything but your stance in this debate can basically be summed up like this:

Translation
------------------------------
Andrew Luck isn't a good quarterback because he can't complete 65% of his passes 50+ yards downfield in good coverage.


All we can really do is see how 2013 goes. So let's do that, nobody is giving an inch on 2012.

Deal, but if you make ONE MORE thread strawmanning your belief that Wilson is a better QB based on completion percentage whilst completely ignoring Luck's circumstances, I'm going cut you.

[Avante]

That has not once ever been what we're debating. You continually perpetuate this myth that Russell Wilson is the Tom Brady of the 2012 draft and in that last post and many others before it, I have continually and factually detailed why Luck's 2012 should not be the measuring stick for his overall skill. Luck on the 2012 Seahawks probably puts up equal or better stats to Wilson "and it's not even debatable." Wilson on the 2012 Colts probably has a broken shoulder and doesn't finish the season.

You are talking...probably...I'm talking what actually went down, big difference. The facts are all that matters not some..."well if and if and well"....that means nothing. The facts are what I'm talking about.

who won a playoff game...RW
who threw for more TD'S...RW
who threw less INT's...RW
who had the better completion %...RW
who had the higher QB rating...RW

Those are the facts. Now you can...well if...all you want the facts won't change.

[Avante]

Also not to rip off your shtick or anything but your stance in this debate can basically be summed up like this:

Translation
------------------------------
Andrew Luck isn't a good quarterback because he can't complete 65% of his passes 50+ yards downfield in good coverage.



Deal, but if you make ONE MORE thread strawmanning your belief that Wilson is a better QB based on completion percentage whilst completely ignoring Luck's circumstances, I'm going cut you.

I'm done making threads.

[J.T.]

You are talking...probably...I'm talking what actually went down, big difference. The facts are all that matters not some..."well if and if and well"....that means nothing. The facts are what I'm talking about.

who won a playoff game...RW
who threw for more TD'S...RW
who threw less INT's...RW
who had the better completion %...RW
who had the higher QB rating...RW

Those are the facts. Now you can...well if...all you want the facts won't change.

First of all, while statistics can also be facts, those are more statistic than fact at this point. Luck threw for more yards, converted more 3rd & Long situations for 1st downs than any QB not named Tom Brady, and had 7 game winning drives. If the Colts defense could have gotten Luck the ball the way the Seahawks defense did for Wilson, he just might have been able to close that gigantic three touchdown gap between the two of them. You repeatedly ignore Luck's circumstances in an effort to prop up Wilson, as if Luck can't get better and Wilson can't get worse. Think. About. What. You're. Saying.

[Avante]

First of all, while statistics can also be facts, those are more statistic than fact at this point. Luck threw for more yards, converted more 3rd & Long situations for 1st downs than any QB not named Tom Brady, and had 7 game winning drives. If the Colts defense could have gotten Luck the ball the way the Seahawks defense did for Wilson, he just might have been able to close that gigantic three touchdown gap between the two of them. You repeatedly ignore Luck's circumstances in an effort to prop up Wilson, as if Luck can't get better and Wilson can't get worse. Think. About. What. You're. Saying.

I have thought it out. The reason Luck threw for more yards is because he threw more passes. Think of how many TD's RW would have scored if he'd thrown that many times. He threw less but scored more, have you thought of that?

I;m not budging on this, I have no doubts RW will have the better soph season and the better career. So you might as well accept that and move on.

Funny old world.

The Niners lose the SB because of a bad non call and it's.....stop crying, the Ravens won simple as that. Then when it comes to Luck vs RW now it becomes the situation, what happened to....stop crying, RW had the better season simple as that?

[J.T.]

I have thought it out. The reason Luck threw for more yards is because he threw more passes. Think of how many TD's RW would have scored if he'd thrown that many times. He threw less but scored more, have you thought of that?

I;m not budging on this, I have no doubts RW will have the better soph season and the better career. So you might as well accept that and move on.

Funny old world.

The Niners lose the SB because of a bad non call and it's.....stop crying, the Ravens won simple as that. Then when it comes to Luck vs RW now it becomes the situation, what happened to....stop crying, RW had the better season simple as that?

Once again I've never disputed that Wilson had a better season. Not once. What I'm disputing is the notion that he's a better player because of the circumstances behind his and Luck's statistics, a topic you wholeheartedly ignore because you know there is weight to what I'm saying and that it's possible I'm going to be right with the Colts improving their team and switching to a more Luck-friendly offense.

[Avante]

Once again I've never disputed that Wilson had a better season. Not once. What I'm disputing is the notion that he's a better player because of the circumstances behind his and Luck's statistics, a topic you wholeheartedly ignore because you know there is weight to what I'm saying and that it's possible I'm going to be right with the Colts improving their team and switching to a more Luck-friendly offense.

I'm not ignoring anything, I'm going with what we actually saw. You're the one talkling about ...well if...maybe if...now that...not me. RW had a better rookie season than anyone we've seen, the guy came oh so close to playing in the title game, he tied records. I'm not going to...yes but if Luck..it simply doesn't work that way. As we found out with..."if that holding penalty was called the Niners...." We go with how things really went down. As of right now RW has accomplished more than Andrew Luck. Ok maybe things change next season, so let's wait and see...ok?

Funny how a Colt fan would think Andrew Luck is this and that isn't it? I'm a Niner fan why would I care about RW? I'd prefer it if he suckedl

Ok I'm done with this RW vs Luck thing, especially with a Colt fan.

[J.T.]

I'm not ignoring anything, I'm going with what we actually saw. You're the one talkling about ...well if...maybe if...now that...not me. RW had a better rookie season than anyone we've seen, the guy came oh so close to playing in the title game, he tied records. I'm not going to...yes but if Luck..it simply doesn't work that way. As we found out with..."if that holding penalty was called the Niners...." We go with how things really went down. As of right now RW has accomplished more than Andrew Luck. Ok maybe things change next season, so let's wait and see...ok?

Funny how a Colt fan would think Andrew Luck is this and that isn't it? I'm a Niner fan why would I care about RW? I'd prefer it if he suckedl

Ok I'm done with this RW vs Luck thing, especially with a Colt fan.

So all these months later (and it has been going on for that long in more than just this thread), this argument is suddenly beneath you because I'm a Colts fan and of course I'd pick my guy in a fight? Pfffffft.

I'm not talking about what ifs, dipshit. I'm agreeing with you that Wilson had a better season. I'm not playing the what if game. I am offering real, factual reasons why Andrew Luck's completion percentage was lower, why he had more interceptions and why he threw less touchdowns. You just fall back on "But! But! But! Look at all of Wilson's stat's! They're better than Luck's! So he's better! You can't dispute his stats because they're fact!"

You can't play that card, then turn around and say "So let's wait and see...ok?" Your argument is entirely made of straw. Wilson's TEAM came "oh so close to playing in the title game." And as for best rookie season we've ever seen, I scoff at you sir.

Rookie QB records:

Attempts: Andrew Luck, 627
Completions: Sam Bradford, 354
Comp %: Ben Roethlisberger, 66.44
Touchdowns: T-Peyton Manning, Russell Wilson, 26
Most Picks (min. 300 attempts): Peyton Manning, 28
Fewest Picks (min. 300 attempts): Robert Griffin III, 5
Passing Yards: Andrew Luck, 4374
Wins: Ben Roethlisberger, 13

So he ties Manning in passing TDs and it's the greatest rookie QB season of all-time. Gotcha, strawman. Andrew Luck the interception machine threw 10 less interceptions as a rookie than the man he replaced who will be unanimous first ballot Hall of Famer and eternally in "best of all-time" discussions. So since we just go by what we saw, Andrew Luck is a better QB than Peyton Manning.

[Avante]

Let's look at wins/tds/lackof INTS/completion %/playoff success/QB ranking....for all the QB's who ever played the game. Who do you think would score the highest if points were attached to some scoring system, yep...RW. Go ahead try and prove that a bogus claim. Yes he had the best rookie season all things considered, prove that statement wrong. I've done the work, prove me wrong!!!

It is what it is, RW had the greatest season we've seen from any rookie QB, if you don't believe that then find one who had a better season, all things considered. Go ahead check out all those Hall of Famers/legends. Look up Montana. Elway, Marino, Favre, Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Fouts, Aikman, Unitas.....whoever, you will not find one who had a better overall season.

One more time......as of ..RIGHT NOW...RW has accomplished more than Andrew Luck. Can't really argue or debate actually, simply a fact. Maybe things will change next season, I just doubt it, obviously you don't.

Now notice how I can talk without the...dipshit...and crap like that? Come on man, be cool, ok? Don't be calling me names then try and act like I'm this and that..ok. Be cool or don't be bothering me, got it?

Actually since you had to resort to name calling I'm done with you on this topic. I'm done with the silliness. Elevate your game.

[J.T.]

Whatever, dude. You're a goalpost-moving dipshit who, despite saying he doesn't give a fuck about anything anyone on this board says to him, is now being oversensitive about being called a dipshit. Which I've called you like 5,000 times at this point, because you are one. I guess that last post was the straw that broke the camel's back.

For the last time, it's a team game dipshit. Russell Wilson is not solely responsible for all of his accomplishments nor is Luck for all of his failures. I have not once said Wilson didn't have a superior rookie season. All I've ever said is that doesn't mean he's a better QB. You said it did, then when I dropped about a chapter's worth of truth bombs on you, you're taking the "end of season awards voter" stance of... "Oh, Wilson had better stats and won a playoff game so Luck's a loser and an interception machine and not better than Wilson."

You're a delusional, Russell Wilson cock-worshipping dipshit. And for some reason you expect people to "be cool" on the SpursTalk NFL board, let alone the Internet period.

I am being cool, dipshit. I think you mean to ask me to be nice, which is most definitely off the table at this point with all the "I'm smarter than you" dick waving you do. Dipshit.

[Avante]

That was sad, but totally predictable, it's either agree with you or you go berserk. You really need to learn out to communicate, that silliness simply doesn't work when dealing with grown ups.

Like I said I'm done with you on this you are too immature. You really do need to elevate your game, learn how to act.

[J.T.]

That was sad, but totally predictable, it's either agree with you or you go berserk.

Pot. Kettle. Dipshit.


You really need to learn out to communicate, that silliness simply doesn't work when dealing with grown ups.

Like I said I'm done with you on this you are too immature. You really do need to elevate your game, learn how to act.

Once again, me calling you dipshit didn't bother you until less than two hours ago so once again you adjust your stance because you're out of ammo and need to give the illusion that you came out on top. You won't walk away from this conversation any more than I won't cease calling you Captain Copout and Deputy Dipshit because you say one thing and do another constantly. You have some pathological need to respond to any comment anyone makes to you even if you claim you are done with the conversation because you can't possibly go to sleep unless you have the last word.

I told you when we first came here that this NFL board has an ongoing culture that has been brewing for many years and that the dipshit brand of conversation you're trying to inject into it wasn't going to jive. Times have changed, maybe when you were young it wasn't cool to call each other dipshit and faggot because those were dirty words Pa would whip you with a switch for saying. It's 2013. We do that here. Gay isn't about being homosexual anymore, it's a brand name for stupid shit. And since a gay person is a faggot, people who say or do stupid shit are now faggots. I don't know how it's hard to follow. If you don't like it, maybe you should take my initial advice and get the fuck off this board and go find The Old Folks Home For NFL Know It Alls Message Board somewhere else on the internet where you can regale them with your tales of SpursTalk and how there's all these idiot kids who don't know anything about the NFL and call each other faggots and dipshits all day while you all laugh and smoke cigars and then have heart attacks.

tl/dr; you're a dipshit

[BobaFett1]

Tori Black, Samantha Ryan and Ann Marie Rios.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Samantha_Ryan_2010.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/AnnMarie_Rios_2009.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/Tori_Black_Is_Pretty_Filthy.jpeg

[Avante]

Getting back to the topic.

I really can't see a more dynamic threesome in todays game that this Seahawk trio.

[Brodie Bruce]

:lmao JT eviscerated Avante in this thread

[Avante]

:lmao JT eviscerated Avante in this thread

I'm done with the childish behavior. It 's boring. I'm here to talk football. As we can see some are here to play the fool. Time to elevate the level of play here,

[Brodie Bruce]

UQschA2lC_Y

This thread :lol

[Avante]

Hmm?

Tim Tebow in the WWE?

[Lincoln]

Damn jt shoved his BBC down avantes throat

No mercy :lmao

[Avante]

Damn jt shoved his BBC down avantes throat

No mercy :lmao


I do think it's time to seperate the men from the boys here. When RW totally out plays Luck next season then I'll do my talking.

I'm done with the childish behavior here, time to step up to another level. Let's talk football not act silly.

[Lincoln]

You were wrong about SF winning the Super Bowl

[Avante]

You were wrong about SF winning the Super Bowl

Obviously.

[Lincoln]

Obviously.

But you were so confident they would win

I thought you knew so much about football?

[Avante]

But you were so confident they would win

I thought you knew so much about football?

One play away from winning it, so it was close.

I'm pretty solid in the who, what, where and when aspects of the game. I do go back to the 1920's and have done the work. Pretty much have it covered.

[johnsmith]

but totally predictable, it's either agree with you or you go berserk.

This pretty much sums up your posting history on this site.

[Lincoln]

They were getting assraped before the biggest fluke in SB history happened

And who's to say flacco wasn't going to come back down the field for a winning score? He already destroyed that :cry great fuckin defense :cry throughout the game

[johnsmith]

Also, JT made you look like a child in this thread.

[J.T.]

You are talking...probably...I'm talking what actually went down, big difference. The facts are all that matters not some..."well if and if and well"....that means nothing. The facts are what I'm talking about.


Let's look at wins/tds/lackof INTS/completion %/playoff success/QB ranking....for all the QB's who ever played the game. Who do you think would score the highest if points were attached to some scoring system?

Dunno how I missed this last night but it's funny how it's cool for you to deal in hypotheticals when it helps your cause, but I can't do it to explain why Luck's stats were lower.

Roethlisberger won 13 games as a rookie and had a higher completion percentage, won a playoff game and actually made it to a conference title game. If you go anywhere near saying "Yeah that's only cuz the Steelers defense was so good" I will cut you. I'm just looking at the facts. More wins, higher percentage, earned his team a first round bye, won a playoff game in the same round that Wilson failed to win a playoff game and advanced to the AFC championship. Shove your hypothetical point system up your ass, Wilson did not have the greatest rookie season ever and it's not even close.

[Avante]

Remember me saying...all things considered?

RW started 16 games
Big Ben 13

RW had 26 tds
Big Ben...17

RW 489 rushing yards
Big Ben 144

RW had 10 INTS
Big Ben 11

RW had a 100 QB ranking
Big Ben 98.1

RW with a 64.1 completion %
Big Ben 66.4

Give the nod to Big Ben in the playoffs

So as we can see RW had one of the greatest rookie seasons ever. Only one other QB even in the argument. RW also had more passing yards.

So there's RW totally out playing everyone who is in the Hall of Fame, when it comes to a rookie season. That's about as impressive as it gets wouldn't you say?

Take all the QB stats/playoff success and have a 1-10 scoring system. All the QB are entered. RW would win this, you disagree?

RGIII had a great rookie season also. But he did lose in his first playoff game.

Give me the name of any QB in the Hall of Fame and let's see how they stack up vs RW in that rookie season. Go ahead give me a name.

[Avante]

They were getting assraped before the biggest fluke in SB history happened

And who's to say flacco wasn't going to come back down the field for a winning score? He already destroyed that :cry great fuckin defense :cry throughout the game

The bottom line is with plenty of time left on the clock the Niners were in scoring position to win the game. We all know holding when we see it. So it's first and goal on the two yard line. I like our chances. Take away a great kick return and, hmmm?

But it's over now time to move on.

[J.T.]

Take all the QB stats/playoff success and have a 1-10 scoring system. All the QB are entered. RW would win this, you disagree?

Nope, I thought we were just going by facts?

Roethlisberger: 2nd round victory, Lost in AFC championship
Wilson: WC victory, Lost in 2nd round

Roethlisberger > Wilson

I mean, this works for you, right? Because it's exactly how you're propping up Wilson over Luck. Shove your hypothetical point system up your ass. That system doesn't exist and is only relevant now because I found QB who went further in the playoffs as a rookie. Also Joe Flacco made the AFC title game as a rookie and did not earn his team a first round bye, so he has 2 postseason wins and a loss in a higher round than Wilson.

Flacco > Wilson

[J.T.]

Also I thought you were done talking to me because I called you a dipshit? I guess that was only relevant last night when I was making you look like a clown and you didn't have anything to defend yourself with, right dipshit?

[benefactor]

Looks like another thread where Avante get's backed down in the paint and can only a) flop in a weak attempt to draw the charge or b) attempt to hold his ground while getting bullied with a power move, allowing his opponent to score the basket and draw the foul.
:wakeup

[Avante]

Also I thought you were done talking to me because I called you a dipshit? I guess that was only relevant last night when I was making you look like a clown and you didn't have anything to defend yourself with, right dipshit?

I'm trying to establish a higher level of conversation here. Thought you might join in.

I've made my point, it's very obvious that as of right now RW is the better QB. It's also a fact that when we look at everything and consider everything RW had one of the greatest rookie seasons we've ever seen.

Now it would be nice if you dropped the silly immature stuff and talked like a grown man, it's far more productive and I'll pay attention more. When you start foaming at the mouth and tossing out insults I lose interest.

I have Flacco's rookie stats right here, trust me when I tell you not even worth comparing. RW in a landslide.

[Avante]

Speaking of the Seahawks, what's with all this PED talk? Hope it doesn't become a huge distraction, looking forward to Niners vs Seahawks.

[J.T.]

I'm just laying out the facts, Mrs. Dipshit. Two rookie QBs that went farther than Wilson, and one of them won more playoff games than both. You now suddenly need a Rookie QB Statistical Scoring System to argue Wilson had a superior season than Roethlisberger. Yet, it's unfair for me to properly argue the reason Luck's stats are worse is chiefly due to his offensive line forcing him into 256 hits, pressures and sacks thus leading to lots of rushed decision making, interceptions and low percentage throws. It's really too bad Luck couldn't play behind an offensive line like, say, Seattle's. Or a West Coast Offense like, say, Seattle's. It's his fault he played in an offense that didn't really even suit him and still passed for more yards than any other rookie and has the second best W-L turnaround of all-time.

But nope we just argue the facts here on SpursTalk: For Adults. No dipshit name calling here. Wilson: 1 playoff win, Luck: 0 playoff wins. Wilson's better. Just like Roethlisberger: 1 higher-weighted playoff win and Flacco: 2 playoff wins, are better than Wilson. Facts are facts, can't dispute those. No way, no how.

[Avante]

I am talking about more than just playoff success or lack of it. I'm looking at everything that goes into deciding QB success and failure, I assumed that was very obvious.

RW totally out stated both Ben and Flacco, they had the playoff success. RW toyally out stats Luck and has the playoff success. RGIII is the one with the stats on a par with RW but he doesn't have any playoff success. The bottom line is when we talk great rookie QB's you have to talk RW before you do Luck. Better stats, playoff success.

I get the difference in situations, we all realize what our three rookie QB's were up against. If Luck had been in Seattle and RW in Indy..??? If RGIII had.....and we can kick that around and around but we actually don't really know, what we do know is what actually/really went down. The facts are RW was the one who had the best rookie season. Will Luck outshine him 2013, that could happen, I do doubt it but it's a very real possibility.

Thank you for cleaning up your game, it's appreciated. Bored with the silliness.

[J.T.]

I get the difference in situations, we all realize what our three rookie QB's were up against. If Luck had been in Seattle and RW in Indy..??? If RGIII had.....and we can kick that around and around but we actually don't really know, what we do know is what actually/really went down. The facts are RW was the one who had the best rookie season. Will Luck outshine him 2013, that could happen, I do doubt it but it's a very real possibility.

First, in regards to the part in boldface, this is the first time you has so much as acknowledged the existence of extenuating circumstances with respect to the hows and whys behind each player's stats. That's a start. Second, in regards to the part in italics, we also know that there isn't a rookie QB statistical dick measuring stick, so it's pointless to talk about where Wilson would rank "IF" there were one. Third, how are you STILL confused about what we're arguing about? Every response from you it's "Wilson had the better season." EVERYONE in this thread arguing the Luck counterpoint has agreed with you on this. I don't know if you're genuinely confused about the discussion or are genuinely a dipshit. Fourth, another thing we do know is that two quarterbacks ended their season further along than Wilson did, meaning they are better than him because they have the stats and the postseason wins, which are the facts that we know and can't dispute.

[Avante]

Do you always insult those you disagree with? Come on man, don't make it to where I'm looking at you like I do the obvious kids here. Cool the name calling. You notice I'm trying to carry on a adult conversation with this? Have some class. You're going to cut me, I'd love to see you try. You'd look awful funny with a stump where a hand should be. I'm a big guy.

Ok...

Once again if we look at everything involved with being an NFL QB, stats, playoff success. RW really is right there at the top when it comes to rookie play. I or anyone actually can make a very strong case that he had the best "overall" season of anyone. Remember this an accumulation of things not just stats or playoffs. More a combined grouping of a mulitude of QB tangibles.

As you saw with the Niners loss in the SB , this.."well if"...doesn't work too well. It really is what actually went down. In 2012 Russell Wilson had one of the greatest rookie seasons we've ever seen..."all things"...considered.

Andrew Luck will be a solid NFL QB with time but as of right now he's the 26th ranked. Nobody really cares about...."well you see if he'd......"....trust me!

Here's a funny one.

When the Seahawks beat the Packers with that horrendous non call it was..."that sucked, the Packers won that game". When the Niners lose the SB because of that horrendous non call now it's..."hey that's football".

[J.T.]

Do you always insult those you disagree with? Come on man, don't make it to where I'm looking at you like I do the obvious kids here. Cool the name calling. You notice I'm trying to carry on a adult conversation with this? Have some class. You're going to cut me, I'd love to see you try. You'd look awful funny with a stump where a hand should be. I'm a big guy.

Couple things. I can assure you I'm taller, stockier, stronger, younger and in better shape than you. Don't make threats the entire board knows you can't back up, dipshit.


Ok...

Once again if we look at everything involved with being an NFL QB, stats, playoff success. RW really is right there at the top when it comes to rookie play. I or anyone actually can make a very strong case that he had the best "overall" season of anyone. Remember this an accumulation of things not just stats or playoffs. More a combined grouping of a mulitude of QB tangibles.

Sorry, but he didn't. He simply did not go further than Roethlisberger or Flacco. Just giving you the facts you love to give me so much. See how dumb your argument style is? Not so fun when it's used against you is it?


As you saw with the Niners loss in the SB , this.."well if"...doesn't work too well. It really is what actually went down. In 2012 Russell Wilson had one of the greatest rookie seasons we've ever seen..."all things"...considered.

I don't know why you keep bringing up the Niners when we're talking about Wilson and Luck. The fuck do they have to do with anything? The only "if" that factors into the Niners winning the Super Bowl is "if" they played better, then they would have won.



Andrew Luck will be a solid NFL QB with time but as of right now he's the 26th ranked. Nobody really cares about...."well you see if he'd......"....trust me!

Damn! The 26th ranked QB took his team to the playoffs and won more games than the guy you've been propping up this entire thread! He must really suck!

P.S. We're not talking about Luck's overall rank against the other 31 teams. We're talking about why it's dumb to say Wilson is better than him when he's on a better team that didn't subject him to low QB stats with their lack of overall talent. Why did you even bring this up?


Here's a funny one.

When the Seahawks beat the Packers with that horrendous non call it was..."that sucked, the Packers won that game". When the Niners lose the SB because of that horrendous non call now it's..."hey that's football".

Once again, the fuck do the Niners have anything to do with what we're talking about? Delusional old dipshit strikes again.

[J.T.]

Finally, and I know this won't stop Deputy Dipshit from responding to me, but here are the Offensive and Defensive ranks for each team for 2012:


Indianapolis Colts
Total offense: 10th
Passing: 7th
Rushing: 22nd

Total defense: 26th
Passing: 21st
Rushing: 29th

Seattle Seahawks
Total offense: 17th
Passing: 27th
Rushing: 3rd

Total defense: 4th
Passing: 6th
Rushing: 10th

As I've been saying the whole time, football is a team game. Wilson might have put up better stats than Luck did, but stats don't mean shit. I should know because I watched Peyton Manning put up 32+ TD, 65% completions, 4,000+ yard seasons for almost a decade and a half and only have one Super Bowl ring (which only happened because of a stout defense in the playoffs) as well as a losing record in the postseason. But for all of Russell Wilson's awesome stats, he's clearly a better QB, right?

Then why do the Indianapolis Colts have a higher rank in total offense and passing offense, if their QB was so bad? The bottom line is that you want your QB to succeed at passing and Luck did pretty well for a rookie on a bad team. The great one only completed 56% of his passes as a rookie (and had 9 more turnovers) but no one would dare say Manning is a shitty QB now. I'd also like to point out that it's nice to have a defense get create turnovers for you and stop the other team from scoring for you thus decreasing your overall number of low percentage throws by not having to pass all day long to get back in the game or possibly win.

[Avante]

Couple things. I can assure you I'm taller, stockier, stronger, younger and in better shape than you. Don't make threats the entire board knows you can't back up, dipshit.



Sorry, but he didn't. He simply did not go further than Roethlisberger or Flacco. Just giving you the facts you love to give me so much. See how dumb your argument style is? Not so fun when it's used against you is it?



I don't know why you keep bringing up the Niners when we're talking about Wilson and Luck. The fuck do they have to do with anything? The only "if" that factors into the Niners winning the Super Bowl is "if" they played better, then they would have won.




Damn! The 26th ranked QB took his team to the playoffs and won more games than the guy you've been propping up this entire thread! He must really suck!

P.S. We're not talking about Luck's overall rank against the other 31 teams. We're talking about why it's dumb to say Wilson is better than him when he's on a better team that didn't subject him to low QB stats with their lack of overall talent. Why did you even bring this up?



Once again, the fuck do the Niners have anything to do with what we're talking about? Delusional old dipshit strikes again.

You were going to cut me but Im making threats-????? It would be bug vs windsheild you being the bug, trust me.

You are totally and completely not getting it at all. Can't say I'm surprised, I'm not. When you see...all things considered....what does that tell you?

Obviously the Niner talk was an example of..."so what, it was what it was"...not surprised you missed on that either.

Ok this is the last time I'm telling you this, please do your best, ok?

Nobody cares about excuses, ok? We saw what we saw, one guy throwing TD's and winning a playoff (almost two) the other throwing INTS and losing his playoff game. That really is all that matters, all this talk about ...if....means zero.

Try to grasp the concept, ok?

I'm looking at eveything when comparing RW with other rookie QB's, not just playoff success, ya with me on that? It's a combination of stats and playoffs. In that combo it really is RW outshining everyone. He had the stats and won a playoff game.

How many rookies start all 16 games, yes it's rare. RW ws the total package, only a fool wouldn't get that.

Ok man it's real obvious you aren't going to be getting this anytime soon so I'm moving on. This coming season let's see who accomplishs more, we'll pick this up then.


Oh yeah, when I say don't call me..dipshit..well let's just say that was too easy.

Done and don't ever call me dipshit, hahaha!!!!!!

[J.T.]

You were going to cut me but Im making threats-????? It would be bug vs windsheild you being the bug, trust me.

Care to list off your stats? The "I'm a big guy" stuff doesn't frighten me at all. You're also over 40 years older than me and I give zero fucks about beating up a delusional old dipshit who's essentially asking for it at this point.


You are totally and completely not getting it at all. Can't say I'm surprised, I'm not. When you see...all things considered....what does that tell you?

Obviously the Niner talk was an example of..."so what, it was what it was"...not surprised you missed on that either.

Ok this is the last time I'm telling you this, please do your best, ok?

What's not to get? I'm just laying out the facts! The facts man. They're right there. You can't dispute the facts.


Nobody cares about excuses, ok? We saw what we saw, one guy throwing TD's and winning a playoff (almost two) the other throwing INTS and losing his playoff game. That really is all that matters, all this talk about ...if....means zero.

I'm not talking about "if". I'm taking about "why". There's a big difference. No shit "if" Andrew Luck played on a better team, he would have outplayed Wilson decisively. But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about why his stats are the way they are and how that has zero to do with his abilities and skills as a QB. You're the one talking about me talking about "if".



I'm looking at eveything when comparing RW with other rookie QB's, not just playoff success, ya with me on that? It's a combination of stats and playoffs. In that combo it really is RW outshining everyone. He had the stats and won a playoff game.

How many rookies start all 16 games, yes it's rare. RW ws the total package, only a fool wouldn't get that.

Well I mean Roethlisberger has the completion percentage, which is what you said is the only thing that matters when talking about quarterbacks. Plus he has the postseason success and more regular season wins. All Wilson did was tie Peyton Manning in passing touchdowns. Myself and most other NFL observers give zero fucks about a quarterback's rushing stats so we'll go ahead and throw those out the window for Wilson. He had a pretty good season, yeah. Better than Luck's stats-wise. But his team's overall passing offense was in the cellar while Luck's was Top 10. Football is a team game, not a game where a couple stars can win a title like basketball. And Luck also started 16 games. Whoopdy fuckin' do.


Ok man it's real obvious you aren't going to be getting this anytime soon so I'm moving on. This coming season let's see who accomplishsd more, we'll pick this up then. Done~~~~~~~~~~~

Cool deal bud, I'm looking forward to this season quite a bit. My man Luck is gonna ball.

[Avante]

I'm 6-2 278 pounds of twisted railroad steel, an avid lifter, totally neckless, played 20 years organized football. 450 bench. I eat rusty nails for breakfast and fart TNT. Snort dynamite and am hung like a jersey bull. Raised a bunch of kids and have worked for a living since I was 18. We all have levels, don't mess with those above yours....ok?

Just funning with ya guy, time to relax and chill. You're way too uptight.

[J.T.]

:lmao 450 bench my behind

Like I said: taller, stockier, stronger and younger.

[leemajors]

neckless :lmao

[Avante]

:lmao 450 bench my behind

Like I said: taller, stockier, stronger and younger.

Actually 500 while in the Navy. Down to 450. Big thick hard bodied monstrosity.

Well you did get one right...younger.

Look guy I have no doubts at all that if you were a Seahawk fan you'd be singing a whole different song, you make it too obvious. I'm not a Seahawk fan at all...obviously. I just go with reality.

Ok with that said I really am getting bored with this. Believe whatever you like and we'll pick this up next season, after that season I will accept your apology.

See ya~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[leemajors]

http://i.imgur.com/zS5rRxa.gif

[DeadlyDynasty]

Born in 1949 and bench presses 450? I'm impressed, Avante.

[J.T.]

Okay so we should discuss why Luck is a better QB than Kaepernick to eliminate your supposed objectivity? Nah because Kaep also plays on a team with a stacked defense, great offensive line and actual run game. God damn NFC West stat padding QBs.

[J.T.]

Born in 1949 and bench presses 450? I'm impressed, Avante.

It's the internet so I'm 8 feet tall, bench 750 and have a 15 inch penis.

[Avante]

Born in 1949 and bench presses 450? I'm impressed, Avante.

I never stopped lifting, started at 15 for football. Been at it ever since. That 450 was in December of last year. A 285 pounder (which I was then) with over 40 years of lifting should be able to bench 450.

[Avante]

Okay so we should discuss why Luck is a better QB than Kaepernick to eliminate your supposed objectivity? Nah because Kaep also plays on a team with a stacked defense, great offensive line and actual run game. God damn NFC West stat padding QBs.

I'm not all that excited over Kaepernick, he doesn't have that finesee I like.

[Brodie Bruce]

Avante in this thread

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[Avante]

Avante in this thread

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RW has a great rookie season, one of the best ever. That was it!

While here...

Coming out of college in their last NCAA season RW had the highest completion % and QB ranking of the three. RW's QB efficency led the NCAA. Pac12 defenses?

[johnsmith]

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[johnsmith]

Just thought I'd remind everyone where avante's head is likely at.

[MeloHype]

http://i.imgur.com/ezUt2s7.jpg

[johnsmith]

Haven't done this in a while

[johnsmith]

Ha