Boy, that Sam Presti sure is a genius, isn't he?

[Findog]

Traded away Jeff Green to get Kendrick Perkins.

Traded away James Harden because he didn't want to amnesty Kendrick Perkins.

[whitemamba]

dumbass tbh

[100%duncan]

:lol

[Findog]

Could have had Tyson Chandler too if they didn't get squeamish looking at x-rays.

[Mel_13]

:lol

There's plenty more.

Presti has made some good moves, but he's also been the recipient of some incredible good fortune. His luck ran out and some of his poor decisions came back to bite him.

[jeebus]

so far the only thing Porkins has contributed to life since the trade are youtube videos of his fat ass getting dunked on.

[Mel_13]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=Y&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=200&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per&order_by_asc=Y

[whitemamba]

so far the only thing Porkins has contributed to life since the trade are youtube videos of his fat ass getting dunked on.

:lol at people thinking perkins was the answer for the thunder... Bucher..Smith...

[Findog]

:lol

There's plenty more.

Presti has made some good moves, but he's also been the recipient of some incredible good fortune. His luck ran out and some of his poor decisions came back to bite him.

They would have taken Oden if they got the first pick too. Really this guy is overrated. They picked up Durant, Green, Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden in three consecutive drafts as a reward for being terrible. All of the ancillary moves to bolster that foundation have failed.

[jeebus]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=Y&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=200&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per&order_by_asc=Y

hopefully that link works.

lol a negative PER
lol making Gayson Collins look good

[Phillip]

The point of getting Perkins was to combat with the Lakers twin towers. However, the Mavs did the unexpected and beat the piss out of LA and ended their title run, rendering Perkins useless.

[Mel_13]

They would have taken Oden if they got the first pick too. Really this guy is overrated. They picked up Durant, Green, Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden in three consecutive drafts as a reward for being terrible. All of the ancillary moves to bolster that foundation have failed.

Precisely. That was his first, and most important, piece of good fortune.

Presti was hired between the draft lottery and the actual draft. The Sonics already owned the second pick in the draft. All Presti had to do was pick the guy that Portland didn't. One of the great no-lose situations ever.

[Findog]

The point of getting Perkins was to combat with the Lakers twin towers. However, the Mavs did the unexpected and beat the piss out of LA and ended their title run, rendering Perkins useless.

They could have signed Jason Collins for the vet minimum to foul those guys six times a game.

[Phillip]

They could have signed Jason Collins for the vet minimum to foul those guys six times a game.

I despise Perkins as much as anyone, but at the time he was traded for, he was thought of much more highly than he is now. He did a solid job of manning the middle in Boston, and honestly, had he not gotten hurt, Boston probably wins the finals in 2010 instead of the Lakers.

I'm sure some of it was due to having KG to play alongside, so it made him look better than he really is, but at least its somewhat understandable at the time.

[King Nupe]

I despise Perkins as much as anyone, but at the time he was traded for, he was thought of much more highly than he is now. He did a solid job of manning the middle in Boston, and honestly, had he not gotten hurt, Boston probably wins the finals in 2010 instead of the Lakers.

I'm sure some of it was due to having KG to play alongside, so it made him look better than he really is, but at least its somewhat understandable at the time.


Porkings didn't do ANYTHING for boston but set Illegal screens all the time. Even the series where he supposedly punked PAU in 2008, Pau still averaged 18-11 against him. HE'S A SCRUB!

[Phillip]

Porkings didn't do ANYTHING for boston but set Illegal screens all the time. Even the series where he supposedly punked PAU in 2008, Pau still averaged 18-11 against him. HE'S A SCRUB!

He filled the paint, boxed out for boards, and did dirty work. That was definitely a huge blow for Boston, as the reason they lost game 7 came down to giving up way too many offensive rebounds and were horrible in the paint.

[benefactor]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=Y&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=200&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per&order_by_asc=Y
:lol:lol

[midnightpulp]

Porkings didn't do ANYTHING for boston but set Illegal screens all the time. Even the series where he supposedly punked PAU in 2008, Pau still averaged 18-11 against him. HE'S A SCRUB!

The Celts likely beat the Lakers in '10 had Perkins played.

It's cool, though, Nupe. Still a legit title. Injuries are a part of the game.

[spurraider21]

The point of getting Perkins was to combat with the Lakers twin towers. However, the Mavs did the unexpected and beat the piss out of LA and ended their title run, rendering Perkins useless.
and yet even after that, they traded Harden instead of amnestying P:lolrkins

[baseline bum]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=Y&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=200&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per&order_by_asc=Y

hopefully that link works.

lol a negative PER
lol making Gayson Collins look good

:rollin wow

[OKC]

Those who are knocking Presti for the Perkins trade from Boston are truly ignorant. OKC was about the worst frontcourt defensive team in the entire league because we started Nenad Krstic at the 5 and Jeff Green at PF. Green's a cool guy and a decent player at the 3, but he's an absolute complete joke at the 4. Nenad Krstic was nothing more than a jump shooting 7 footer who offered ZERO low post defense or presence. Jeff Green, if he stayed with OKC, was headed for the bench to backup KD..and OKC isn't paying a guy the $8-10M Green would've demanded to come off the bench. He's not that good. Trading Green and Krstic for Perk was an absolute no-brainer.

Now, having said that, today I do not believe Perkins is a piece to OKC's championship puzzle. He's a better than average low post defender, but he's a horrific offensive player and his defensive capabilities are not good enough to offset the fact that he's an offensive liability. But..rewinding back to the day they picked Perk up..it was a good move at the time.

[jeebus]

Those who are knocking Presti for the Perkins trade from Boston are truly ignorant. OKC was about the worst frontcourt defensive team in the entire league because we started Nenad Krstic at the 5 and Jeff Green at PF. Green's a cool guy and a decent player at the 3, but he's an absolute complete joke at the 4. Nenad Krstic was nothing more than a jump shooting 7 footer who offered ZERO low post defense or presence. Jeff Green, if he stayed with OKC, was headed for the bench to backup KD..and OKC isn't paying a guy the $8-10M Green would've demanded to come off the bench. He's not that good. Trading Green and Krstic for Perk was an absolute no-brainer.
So Presti traded up when he got Porkins because he isn't a joke at the 4. Gotcha :tu

[OKC]

So Presti traded up when he got Porkins because he isn't a joke at the 4. Gotcha :tu

It's not a Perkins vs Green debate. Please tell me you're not making a Green vs Perk comparison on an individual basis. That's not the point. That's apples and oranges anyways. You have to think a little deeper about the situation. The point is OKC started Nenad Krstic and Jeff Green as their frontcourt. Do you know who those two players are? Now picture them as your defensive frontcourt and tell me that's not laughable. It is. Ibaka was moving quickly toward the starting role at the 4, which would inevitably move Green to the bench. OKC would've been stupid to extend Green for big money coming off the bench as a backup 3. He's not that good. Krstic was a joke defensively. They just rode Krstic and Green because it was the best they had, but they knew going forward that duo was going nowhere quick in terms of taking the next step in becoming a better playoff team. Their main goal AT THAT TIME was to shore of their starting frontline defensively. Perk/Ibaka or Krstic/Green? Come on man, think about it. Like I said, I don't think Perk is a piece to the championship puzzle in OKC, but without a doubt it was the right move at the time.

[Phillip]

TBH, if the Thunder and Durant want to get any better, KD needs to learn how to play the PF position, and add some muscle. Not necessarily a full time positional change, but similar to Lebron, in that he can capably play stretches there for the benefit of the team, even if it isn't his natural position.

KD at PF would create mismatch nightmares similar to Dirk.

[Raven]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=Y&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=200&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per&order_by_asc=Y

the goods :lol

[Findog]

In today's NBA Ibaka and Collison are a much better frontcourt pairing that having Porkins in there. Miami is going to win two titles without a good center.

If you want to say that Jeff Green couldn't get minutes on OKC, that's fine, but trading him for a spare is a waste of an asset. Same thing with Harden - there was a better deal out there than Jeremy Lamb and one year of Kevin Martin. I can't completely fault OKC for trading Harden bc the new CBA makes it difficult to keep a super team together. There are rumors Miami will break up their Big Three. If it can't work financially in Miami, than it certainly can't in OKC. But what they got back for Harden was low. Washington offered Bradley Beal.

[OKC]

True on Ibaka and Collison. But back again to the trade - at that moment the most pressing issue with OKC was frontcourt defense, plain and simple. From that standpoint getting Perkins made sense. It's not that I'm 100% anti Perkins, but the frustrating part is Brooks's fascinating in sticking with him. He adds some value to OKC (although not at his current salary), but honestly he's nothing more than a role player off the bench who should play very limited minutes unless there's specific defensive matchups he's needed for. The verdict on Lamb is far from being in. The guy apparently has big potential, but we've just seen so little of him it's hard to tell.

[whitemamba]

I despise Perkins as much as anyone, but at the time he was traded for, he was thought of much more highly than he is now. He did a solid job of manning the middle in Boston, and honestly, had he not gotten hurt, Boston probably wins the finals in 2010 instead of the Lakers.

I'm sure some of it was due to having KG to play alongside, so it made him look better than he really is, but at least its somewhat understandable at the time.


:lmao get over that already nigga... IT WAS DESTINY! :lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

They would have taken Oden if they got the first pick too. Really this guy is overrated. They picked up Durant, Green, Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden in three consecutive drafts as a reward for being terrible. All of the ancillary moves to bolster that foundation have failed.

I agree with your general point, but one quick note is Presti's true great move was fleecing the Suns of two first round picks to take Kurt Thomas's contract, then trading Kurt Thomas for another 1st round pick. They used the Suns' 2008 1st rounder on Ibaka so that wasn't really cause they were terrible.

Other than that I agree, he had a franchise player fall into his lap in 2007 and surrounded him with other good players via high draft picks from sucking.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The real error wasn't trading Green for Perkins, the real error was drafting Green when his game was way too similar to Durant's for the two to ever co-exist. They weren't gonna get value for Green's talent when his only role on the Thunder was as a spot up stretch 4.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I can't completely fault OKC for trading Harden bc the new CBA makes it difficult to keep a super team together. There are rumors Miami will break up their Big Three. If it can't work financially in Miami, than it certainly can't in OKC. But what they got back for Harden was low. Washington offered Bradley Beal.

He didn't have to trade him last summer, though. He wasn't forced financially by any means. I can understand how OKC couldn't afford to amnesty Perkins, but there were many different ways to create enough space in order to keep Harden, who would have been a restricted FA this summer for them. Must have been some sort of a power trip by Presti, cause it was too quick and like you said they could and should have found a better deal.

[OKC]

Well at the same time I do give Presti some credit (or maybe it's just luck) for taking a chance with Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka. Westbrook had big questions marks surrounding him going into the draft. Harden was said to lack athleticism and that his upside wasn't all that great. Ibaka was completely unknown and was drafted solely on raw physical aspects. He was playing in some dump Spanish league averaging 11 minutes a game. So to me all 3 of these guys were far from a certain thing. I know a lot of scouts questioned whether either 3 of these guys would be very valuable in the NBA.

[OKC]

The real error wasn't trading Green for Perkins, the real error was drafting Green when his game was way too similar to Durant's for the two to ever co-exist. They weren't gonna get value for Green's talent when his only role on the Thunder was as a spot up stretch 4.

Good point.

[King Nupe]

The Celts likely beat the Lakers in '10 had Perkins played.

It's cool, though, Nupe. Still a legit title. Injuries are a part of the game.

It wouldn't have mattered. We destroyed them on the boards with no Bynum in Game 7. KG had 4 Reb Gasol had 18 Reb, kobe had 15 (for you haters that like to harp on 6-26.

[Budkin]

When the Perkins trade happened we were all talking about how stupid Boston was... Green was injured and when he came back he was awful. Now in hindsight it looks like a great trade for the Celtics.

[hater]

funny that this thread was 1 Westbrook knee injury away from never existing :lmao

[The Batman]

http://www.bdasports.com/wp-content/themes/onyx/thumb.php?src=http://www.bdasports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Patrick-Beverley-s1.jpg&h=600&w=400
funny that this thread was 1 Westbrook knee injury away from never existing :lmao

[benefactor]

But what they got back for Harden was low. Washington offered Bradley Beal.
Bobcats offered them the #2 pick...which would have been MKG.