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timvp
05-19-2013, 01:21 PM
10. Bench Production
The Grizzlies don't have much in the way of a bench, while the Spurs have arguably the best bench unit in the NBA. Historically, bench production is much more valuable in the regular season than the playoffs. But if the Spurs can dominate this area, it'd put a ton of pressure of Memphis' starting five to be flawless.

9. Danny Green's Continued Excellence
I though Danny Green was damn good against the Warriors. But I also thought he was damn good against the Clippers last year in the second round. This year, he needs to prove his flameout in the Western Conference Finals against the Thunder was a fluke. He can do that by shooting confidently and playing ferocious defense -- especially when he's switched off onto Mike Conley.

8. Keep Memphis off the Line
The Grizzlies have been the best team in the playoffs at getting to the free throw line. The Spurs have been the best team in the playoffs at keeping their opponent off the free throw line. Something has to give; let's hope it's in San Antonio's direction. Limiting their charity stripe visits will not only test Memphis' sometimes creaky offense, it lessens the chance that the three main bigs (Duncan, Splitter, Diaw) will get in foul trouble. The bigs beyond those three don't match up well with the Grizzlies but they don't need to even play as long as the fouls don't pile up.

7. Patience from Manu Ginobili
Memphis feasts on trapping and then jumping passing lanes. When Manu Ginobili isn't at the top of his game, he tends to succumb to that type of defensive gameplan. But as long as he plays smart and remains patient, he can avoid those costly mistakes. When trapped in this series, the simplest pass is the right pass to make -- not the one-handed, looping, crosscourt pass. Depending on how they defend him, Ginobili may need to be very aggressive with his scoring or take a backseat. He needs to read what's needed and react accordingly.

6. Keep Tim Duncan Moving
Marc Gasol is this year's Defensive Player of the Year. While it's a travesty that he has now won this award and Tim Duncan never has, the Spaniard is legitimately a very good defender. On the low block, he has the length, size and craftiness to bother Duncan. But where TD has an advantage is on the move -- especially if he's hitting his outside jumper. If that J is hitting net, then Duncan can mix in pump-fakes and drives to the basket. Running the court is another area where he can find easier baskets. Plus, offensive rebounding could be an avenue for success for Duncan since Gasol is deceptively just a mediocre defensive rebounder. Four Down has been great to the Spurs over the years but in this series, it'd be unwise to go to it more than three or four times per game.

5. Limit Turnovers
This is obviously a key against any team but it takes on extra importance against the Grizzlies. First of all, Memphis is very likely the best team in the league at forcing turnovers. And they tend to force those turnovers in bunches -- which leads to prolonged runs. The second reason why it's important to limit turnovers as much as possible against the Grizzlies is simple: It fuels their offense. No team relies on their defense to generate offense as much as Memphis, so if you cut off that supply line to easy points, things become much easier for your defense.

4. Defensive Rebounding
The Grizzlies are a great offensive rebounding team. The Spurs have struggled in this area at times in the postseason -- sometimes horrifically so. If San Antonio fails to clean up the defensive backboard, Memphis has the personnel to beat you living off of the offensive glass alone. The Spurs must be physical, box out every possession and not rely on flopping under the rim. The Grizzlies bigs rarely get called for fouls for pushing off or going over the back -- so it'll come down to simply manning up and eating that glass.

3. Push the Pace
This will be another battle of wills. The Grizzlies play at the slowest pace in the league. The Spurs prefer to play at the fastest pace possible. Again, something will have to give. For the Spurs, if they turn this into a track meet, it will work in their favor. Not only is it easier to score against the Grizzlies in fast break situations, it also exposes Memphis' lack of a quality bench. The Grizzlies are experts at keeping the pace slow so it will be tough to speed things up. But for the Spurs, this has to be the No. 1 time-wide goal of this series. Run, run and run some more.

2. Creation from Tony Parker
To push the pace and score in the fast break, Tony Parker is the key. To score against the Grizzlies set defense, Parker's pick-and-roll game will be the best choice. To create open three-pointers, Parker needs to be slicing and dicing. When the shot clock is ticking toward zero, Parker going one-on-one will be the best weapon at San Antonio's disposal. In other words, Parker being able to create in this series is going to be paramount. When healthy and at his best, he's built to carve up the Grizzlies unlike anyone in the NBA outside of perhaps LeBron James.

1. Toughness from Tiago Splitter
If Tiago Splitter is at his best, the Spurs become a strong favorite in this series. When he's hitting on all cylinders, he's the perfect player to put next to Duncan in order to slow down the Grizzlies. Unfortunately, Splitter was at his best in the middle of the season and has slowly but surely declined since then. In these playoffs, he hasn't put together many solid quarters -- much less solid games. However, there is some hope because his best stretch of his postseason was his play to end Game 6 in Golden State. If he can play like that against the Grizzlies, the Spurs can and should win the series.




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For the record, my official prediction is Grizzlies in 6. Obviously, I'm praying/hoping/wishing/begging to every possible divine spirit/force/power that the Spurs win this series, but I'm not going to lie when that's how I logically see the series panning out in the most likely scenario. I've been wrong plenty before so hopefully I'm wrong again and the Spurs make me look stupid for doubting them.

Why do I still think Grizzlies in 6? I simply don't trust Tiago Splitter at this point. His drop in production has been too consistent for me to think it's reasonable to expect him to bounce back. He was great in January but then worse in February, even worse in March, worse yet in April and the worst so far in May. Can he turn it around against the Grizzlies? He has to in order for the Spurs to win this series.

And, also, I don't think Tony Parker is healthy. He doesn't whine about injuries but something isn't right -- and it's more than just that calf bruise. Without Parker near 100% health, it'd be really, really difficult to score against the Grizzlies.

I apologize for the pessimism but I don't don't get paid be a cheerleader, I don't get paid to write it like I see it.

spurraider21
05-19-2013, 01:25 PM
Believe

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209425

TXstbobcat
05-19-2013, 01:26 PM
I predict spurs in 7.

superjames1992
05-19-2013, 01:27 PM
Reverse jinx FTW.

SnakeBoy
05-19-2013, 01:27 PM
I apologize for the pessimism but I don't don't get paid be a cheerleader, I don't get paid to write it like I see it.

Huh?

100%duncan
05-19-2013, 01:31 PM
Ya stick with that, I'll stick with this.

Boiled down:

Spurs in 5. :lol

Seriously though good points though Tiago as number 1 is scary as hell for us Spurs fans. :lol

Go Spurs Go! :flag:

100%duncan
05-19-2013, 01:31 PM
Ya stick with that, I'll stick with this.

Boiled down:

Spurs in 5. :lol

Seriously though good points though Tiago as number 1 is scary as hell for us Spurs fans. :lol

Go Spurs Go! :flag:

timtonymanu
05-19-2013, 01:32 PM
You and me both, timvp.

I think Grizz in 6. It doesn't mean I'm quitting on the Spurs or don't expect them to advance. It's just how I see it.

This is Splitter's make or break chance of getting himself a good contract.

Boulevard1
05-19-2013, 01:32 PM
I apologize for the pessimism but I don't don't get paid be a cheerleader, I don't get paid to write it like I see it.

:lol

If the Spurs win the first two, Spurs in 5. If they drop one, Grizz in 6 like 2011.

AceProfits
05-19-2013, 01:33 PM
I must say, your posts are always spot on and I simply log on to site just to read your take on things.

You have read this series completely wrong. You will actually be surprised at how we take Memphis down in 5-6 games.

benefactor
05-19-2013, 01:33 PM
Why do I still think Grizzlies in 6? I simply don't trust Tiago Splitter at this point. His drop in production has been too consistent for me to think it's reasonable to expect him to bounce back. He was great in January but then worse in February, even worse in March, worse yet in April and the worst so far in May. Can he turn it around against the Grizzlies? He has to in order for the Spurs to win this series.

And, also, I don't think Tony Parker is healthy. He doesn't whine about injuries but something isn't right -- and it's more than just that calf bruise. Without Parker near 100% health, it'd be really, really difficult to score against the Grizzlies.

I apologize for the pessimism but I don't don't get paid be a cheerleader, I don't get paid to write it like I see it.
These two things are the same reason I think the Spurs will struggle...along with Manu looking very old at times. I still think the Spurs gut it out and win in 7 because I just don't trust the Grizzlies offense much either and I think the Spurs are playing at a high enough level defensively to make it happen.

dunkman
05-19-2013, 01:35 PM
Would think the Grizzlies have the right personal to defend all Spurs best players, while the Spurs may have trouble containing the Grizzlies inside. On paper the Grizzlies are built to beat the Spurs, however I think Pop has learned something from the '11 playoffs, and will have some strategies to both improve the offense and disrupt the Grizzlies. And this time the Spurs will grind out 4 wins to advance.

SanDiegoSpursFan
05-19-2013, 01:35 PM
I think Spurs win if Kawhi has another big series. Prince isn't the defender he used to be. The Grizzlies are gonna concentrate on shutting down the big 3 and the role players are probably gonna choke/get stifled, so Kawhi's production could be huge.

spurraider21
05-19-2013, 01:37 PM
You and me both, timvp.

I think Grizz in 6. It doesn't mean I'm quitting on the Spurs or don't expect them to advance. It's just how I see it.

This is Splitter's make or break chance of getting himself a good contract.

i don't understand how picking the Grizz in 6 (thus expecting them to win in 6 and advance) DOESN'T mean you don't expect the Spurs to advance :lol

timtonymanu
05-19-2013, 01:40 PM
i don't understand how picking the Grizz in 6 (thus expecting them to win in 6 and advance) DOESN'T mean you don't expect the Spurs to advance :lol

:lol I meant to say that I will root for them like I expect them to advance.

rmt
05-19-2013, 01:49 PM
Nothing about Pop in your 10 keys? IMO, he's #5 - he MUST RESIST the urge to play Bonner and Blair. If he gives Splitter a chance and doesn't have a short leash, I think Spurs in 6. Regardless of whether Tiago is soft, MEM will honor his pick and roll with TP/Manu. Nobody respects Bonner, and he will be left alone at the 3pt line to clog the lane for TP and TD. Spurs play better with TS - as much tall ball as possible please.

polandprzem
05-19-2013, 01:50 PM
Parker plus Splitt as no1 and 2 is a good choice.
But toughness of our perimeter guys also is a must. And you said LJ that we do have bench. Well Grizz can make our bench non existent just because we have Neal who is soft and Bonner as well. That leaves us with Diaw and Gino as the only confident guys of the bench.
If neal cannot produce there still is Mills for sake. And can Corey be tough enough?

Floyd Pacquiao
05-19-2013, 01:53 PM
The spurs will be victorious...its their destiny

Jumi
05-19-2013, 01:54 PM
Timvp should be taken to the gallows for treason, tbh.

Fabbs
05-19-2013, 01:57 PM
2. Creation from Tony Parker
To push the pace and score in the fast break, Tony Parker is the key. To score against the Grizzlies set defense, Parker's pick-and-roll game will be the best choice. To create open three-pointers, Parker needs to be slicing and dicing. When the shot clock is ticking toward zero, Parker going one-on-one will be the best weapon at San Antonio's disposal. In other words, Parker being able to create in this series is going to be paramount. When healthy and at his best, he's built to carve up the Grizzlies unlike anyone in the NBA outside of perhaps LeBron James.
How about "creation" from Tony Parker as in "sharing the ball"? As in "creating shots for others"?
Too many possessions where he dribbles the ball 14 times Kobme style then throws up some shit.
Ball movement comes to a stop, other creators like Kwahi are supposed to go stand in the corner and watch the Parker show. It's bullshit.

Putting this off on Splitter as the #1 key is wrong. Splitts has done great -when the balls been moved around.

td4mvp21
05-19-2013, 02:05 PM
Nothing about Pop in your 10 keys? IMO, he's #5 - he MUST RESIST the urge to play Bonner and Blair. If he gives Splitter a chance and doesn't have a short leash, I think Spurs in 6. Regardless of whether Tiago is soft, MEM will honor his pick and roll with TP/Manu. Nobody respects Bonner, and he will be left alone at the 3pt line to clog the lane for TP and TD. Spurs play better with TS - as much tall ball as possible please.

Pop's pretty much over Blair at this point. It's Bonner that we need to be concerned about. Spot minutes are OK depending on context, but that's it. None of this obligatory 10 minutes per game bullshit.

benstanfield
05-19-2013, 02:06 PM
I must say, your posts are always spot on and I simply log on to site just to read your take on things.

You have read this series completely wrong. You will actually be surprised at how we take Memphis down in 5-6 games.

itzsoweezee
05-19-2013, 02:09 PM
stay out of foul trouble for our big guys.

dbreiden83080
05-19-2013, 02:12 PM
Timvp should be taken to the gallows for treason, tbh.

He knows what he's doing..

Mugen
05-19-2013, 02:12 PM
Let's hope this is a repeat of your 2012 WCF prediction tbh :lol

lefty
05-19-2013, 02:15 PM
We have to make sure Prince and Allen become jump-shooters in this series

biziofromdowntown
05-19-2013, 02:22 PM
Grizz in 5

LarryDavid
05-19-2013, 02:28 PM
We have to make sure Prince and Allen become jump-shooters in this series

Just don't let Prince shoot from the left corner. He's hitting at over 54% from there for the season.

Arcadian
05-19-2013, 03:18 PM
I don't don't get paid be a cheerleader, I don't get paid to write it like I see it.

:lol

thiste
05-19-2013, 03:27 PM
To me the key is Parker to have a good series, and Conley to get shut down. If we have that, then Spurs in 6.

InK
05-19-2013, 04:59 PM
Parker looked A LOT more better movement wise then in the GSW series, hopefully his health keeps improving

bbarry
05-19-2013, 05:04 PM
nothing in the OP about 3pters...

tlongII
05-19-2013, 05:05 PM
Memphis in 5.

Gagnrath
05-19-2013, 05:11 PM
Memphis in 5. Ok I was thinking spurs in 6 before this game and am now going to drop it to 5.

DejuanorwhatDude
05-19-2013, 05:14 PM
Memphis in 5.
Lillard will turn everything around. Don't worry. He won't bolt the first chance he gets to LA or NY. Don't even worry about that.

J.T.
05-19-2013, 05:19 PM
Huh?

Let me break it down for you. timvp does not get paid to write about the Spurs regardless so while you'd think he meant "I don't get paid to be a cheerleader, I get paid to write it like I see it" his bottom line is that he's not getting paid to write this stuff.

Whisky Dog
05-19-2013, 05:21 PM
Game 1:

10 check
9 check
8 check
7 somewhat check
6 a little bit check
5 check
4 check
3 check
2 check
1 on defense check. On offense the guy needs to play to contact

Stabula
05-19-2013, 05:21 PM
:lol at these suicidal posts by timvp lately

Whisky Dog
05-19-2013, 05:24 PM
:lol at these suicidal posts by timvp lately

tbh when a dude breaks in you home it shakes your confidence in your team tbh. Had two break ins back in 2005 when I lived alone and on the 1st wasn't home but on the 2nd I held the guy at gunpoint after he set off the house alarm. Then later I was a little shaken in confidence in the playoffs tbh

Russ
05-19-2013, 05:28 PM
Who'd a thunk Duncan, Splitter and Diaw would combine for a grand total of nine points and the Spurs would win in a blow out? :wow

pad300
05-19-2013, 05:48 PM
Timvp should be taken to the gallows for treason, tbh.

If we win this series, we petition Kori to Pink his ass!

jesterbobman
05-19-2013, 05:51 PM
While in the first game we were clearly superior, We only won 1 game. I had a different prediction to timvp, but the series is going to be close, the Grizzlies are a good team. Don't blame him if he ends up being wrong on the prediction, it's a series that analysis can disagree on, and Road team in 6 is probably the 2nd most likely outcome(After home team in 5). I also think he'll be fine if he's wrong, being incorrect in a prediction doesn't effect his pay.

spursince#99
05-19-2013, 06:00 PM
Yeah Timvp trolling. If not, he should really be revoked of his forum license, tbh.

Obstructed_View
05-19-2013, 06:16 PM
Who'd a thunk Duncan, Splitter and Diaw would combine for a grand total of nine points and the Spurs would win in a blow out? :wow

Anybody who watched the Spurs play defense, rebound and take care of the ball. Memphis doesn't score a lot from the three point line, so they can't win if they have fewer shot attempts than the Spurs.

One of these games, the Spurs are going to get sloppy, the Grizz are going to take advantage of turnovers to get easy buckets in transition, the Grizz will fight for every rebound, they'll work hard to get to the line, and the Spurs will still be close at the end of the game if they aren't ahead.

Arcadian
05-19-2013, 06:19 PM
Memphis in 6

:lol

Kidd K
05-19-2013, 06:24 PM
Great keys imo. I still have Spurs in 5.

I don't think Memphis' offense can match up to the combination of Spurs' defense and great offense.

Spurs are the best team the Grizzlies' have faced so far on BOTH ends of the floor. They are outmatched imo. Spurs can play at both slow and high pace, and even if the game is going just how the Grizzlies' want, they still won't be up very much and the Spurs will always be just a few shots away from taking a lead back.

DPG21920
05-19-2013, 06:26 PM
:lol at these suicidal posts by timvp lately

People are strange. Yall do realize that not just thinking the Spurs are going to win every series has nothing to do with being emo? Especially with injuries and history in the mix, there are a lot of variables. Spurs aren't some dominant team at the moment (although their defense is studly lately) and Memphis is playing damn well.


Anybody who watched the Spurs play defense, rebound and take care of the ball. Memphis doesn't score a lot from the three point line, so they can't win if they have fewer shot attempts than the Spurs.

One of these games, the Spurs are going to get sloppy, the Grizz are going to take advantage of turnovers to get easy buckets in transition, the Grizz will fight for every rebound, they'll work hard to get to the line, and the Spurs will still be close at the end of the game if they aren't ahead.

This is very true. I mentioned in some earlier threads about this series that despite OKC being without Westbrook, OKC was still in every game in the fourth quarter. Even without Durant scoring like he normally does either. So it showed me that even if the Spurs have one of their top 2 options effectively neutralized that because they are a superior offensive team than a Westbrook-less OKC, they too should be in every game, even if MEM does what they do well. That's just the nature of playing MEM - they very rarely blow you out. They just get stops.

Spurs stopped a much more talented back court in Curry/Thompson - so even if Zbo/Gasol combine for 50 (which is doable, but a damn large number), they have to get 40 points from Conley/Bayless/Prince/Pondexter which is tough.

Stabula
05-19-2013, 06:34 PM
People are strange. Yall do realize that not just thinking the Spurs are going to win every series has nothing to do with being emo? Especially with injuries and history in the mix, there are a lot of variables. Spurs aren't some dominant team at the moment (although their defense is studly lately) and Memphis is playing damn well.


If timvp were a GNSF then he would be constantly taunted with "sir step away from the ledge, take a deep breath" type posts. I'll give the Grizzlies credit they're my favorite team in the west outside of the Spurs and have a solid chance at winning this series but I think the overt pessimism is unwarranted. The Spurs are a totally different team from 2011 and not just from their roster but the style of ball they play. This team is built to shut down post play in the interior (look at what we did to LAL) which is why the back court of the Warriors gave us trouble. Grizzlies are tough as nails and can easily bounce back but the odds aren't completely stacked against the Spurs, not at all.

DPG21920
05-19-2013, 06:43 PM
lol so you think the Grizz have a solid shot at winning the series, but when Timvp says that with his reasons why he's suicidal?

rascal
05-19-2013, 07:11 PM
Fluke shooting game with all the 3 point shots falling. Those shots won't happen again in this series.

ducks
05-19-2013, 07:16 PM
no but they average 35 -40% during 82 games this seson
before today booner was shooting 57% from downtown

Obstructed_View
05-19-2013, 07:43 PM
Fluke shooting game with all the 3 point shots falling. Those shots won't happen again in this series.

Unless Memphis does something radical with their defense, those shots are going to be there for a while. Note by the margin that they didn't have to go in to matter.

Mel_13
05-19-2013, 07:51 PM
Fluke shooting game with all the 3 point shots falling. Those shots won't happen again in this series.

If the Spurs shot their season average for 3 pointers, they still win by 13. Even if they shot the percentage that Memphis gave up for the season, they win by 10.

ginobilized
05-19-2013, 07:55 PM
We will get to see just how good this Spurs team really is. They really executed today and things rolled for them. Might be a fluke game, but, I'm not so sure.
Game 2 will show how good Memphis is. I gotta say, I'm no timvp, but, wtf was Memphis' gameplan? They looked lost, confused and without direction. It is befuddling to me to enter the WCF without a clear plan or one so flawed.

I stick with my pick of Spurs in 6.

Mugen
05-19-2013, 07:56 PM
timvp said Grizz in 6, not Grizz in 4. I'd wait until the Spurs win 3 games to start piling on the man tbh.

spurs1990
05-19-2013, 08:19 PM
I don't mind the prediction tbh. Big props to Timvp.

John Carroll himself couldn't "come up" with a better preview.

ducks
05-20-2013, 12:24 AM
spurs will go inside if mem guards the three

letmk
05-20-2013, 07:05 AM
I don't have the statistics to support it, but my observation is that it's okay for Manu to do one-handed pass for corner-three when he already penetrates to paint area. But it often results in TOs when he tries to pass to low-post or across the court when he is on one-side of the court.

capek
05-20-2013, 07:41 AM
For the record, my official prediction is Grizzlies in 6. Obviously, I'm praying/hoping/wishing/begging to every possible divine spirit/force/power that the Spurs win this series, but I'm not going to lie when that's how I logically see the series panning out in the most likely scenario. I've been wrong plenty before so hopefully I'm wrong again and the Spurs make me look stupid for doubting them.

Why do I still think Grizzlies in 6? I simply don't trust Tiago Splitter at this point. His drop in production has been too consistent for me to think it's reasonable to expect him to bounce back. He was great in January but then worse in February, even worse in March, worse yet in April and the worst so far in May. Can he turn it around against the Grizzlies? He has to in order for the Spurs to win this series.

And, also, I don't think Tony Parker is healthy. He doesn't whine about injuries but something isn't right -- and it's more than just that calf bruise. Without Parker near 100% health, it'd be really, really difficult to score against the Grizzlies.

I apologize for the pessimism but I don't don't get paid be a cheerleader, I don't get paid to write it like I see it.

Call it how you see it, but holy shit is it like you can't see the myriad differences between the '11 and '13 Grizz. In terms of how they match up with the Spurs, all of these many differences make them much less dangerous against us. You're usually so on point, which is why I'm so flummoxed. But whatever, you'll still enjoy a solid Spurs win in this series like the rest of us.

CubanMustGo
05-20-2013, 01:53 PM
Fluke shooting game with all the 3 point shots falling. Those shots won't happen again in this series.

Ah, it's mister "see the dark cloud in every silver lining." Spurs fan, really? When was the last time you made a positive observation about the team, anyway?

phxspurfan
05-20-2013, 03:28 PM
Why do I still think Grizzlies in 6? I simply don't trust Tiago Splitter at this point.

lol... maybe the Splitter love went too far eh. Comparing him to Duncan earlier in the season...saying he's worth more than 10 mil...dude is good but he's basically a Scola type guy. Good role player at times. Shitty other times to the point you wonder why bother. Maybe he will get more consistent after he gets paid :bang:

spursince#99
05-20-2013, 07:18 PM
so was this a Skip Bayless impersonation or what?

Capt Bringdown
05-20-2013, 07:24 PM
Spurs dominate, Spurs rule

DejuanorwhatDude
05-20-2013, 07:28 PM
If Splitter maintains the same level of play the Spurs have a great chance. Otherwise, yes the Grizz can win in 6.