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tlongII
05-20-2013, 10:52 AM
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-05-19/news/ct-met-kass-0519-20130519_1_chicago-mayors-father-and-uncle-the-chicago-way

The Internal Revenue Service scandal now devouring the Obama administration — the outrageous use of the federal taxing authority to target tea party and other conservatives — certainly makes for meaty partisan politics.

But this scandal is about more than partisanship. It's bigger than whether the Republicans win or the Democrats lose.

It's even bigger than President Barack Obama. Yes, bigger than Obama.

It is opening American eyes to the fundamental relationship between free people and those who govern them. This one is about the Republic and whether we can keep it.

And it started me thinking of years ago, of my father and my uncle in Chicago and how government muscle really works.

Because if you want to understand The Chicago Way of things in Washington these days, with the guys from Chicago in charge of the White House and the federal leviathan, there's one place you start:

You start in Chicago.

My father and uncle ran a small business, a supermarket on the South Side. Uncle George worked in the front, my father in the butcher shop in the back. My uncle had been a teacher. My father had plowed his fields with a mule.

They were immigrants who came here from Greece with nothing in their pockets but a determination to work, and the belief that here, in America, no other power could roll in with tanks and put their boots on the necks of their children.

My father and uncle, like the rest of the family, valued education and books and free political debate. And so at large extended family Sundays, we'd all sit around the dinner table, many uncles and aunts and cousins, young and old.

There were conservatives and socialists, Roosevelt Democrats and Reagan Republicans and a few bewildered, equivocal moderates in between, everyone squabbling, laughing, telling stories.

No matter whose house we were visiting, the TV was never turned on after dinner. Instead, we'd have coffee and fruit and dessert and argument. We had different views, we loved each other, and even strangers who showed up were expected to join in, to debate education, the presidency, social issues, the war, drugs, bluejeans, long hair, baseball, everything.

Uncle Alex was the uncle who told us young people how best to make our points. He ran a snack shop in the Bridgeport neighborhood — the legendary home of Chicago mayors and Democratic machine bosses.

"Don't wait for a ticket," he'd say, and puff on his cigar, always in a white shirt and tie, on those family Sundays. So we'd just jump in when we could, like the rest.

One Sunday, I must have been 12 or 13, I decided to ask what I thought was an intelligent question that was something like this:

We talk politics every Sunday, we fight about this and that, so why aren't you politically active outside?

Why don't you get involved in politics?

There was an immediate silence. The older cousins looked away. The aunts and uncles stared at me in horror, as if I'd just announced I was selling heroin after school.

You could hear them breathing. No one spoke. I could feel myself blushing.

Someone quickly changed the subject to some safe old story. It could have been the one about how our grandfather named the family mule — a white, big-headed animal — after President Truman. My sin seemed forgotten.

But I couldn't forget it. I couldn't understand how we could argue about politics over baklava and watermelon and coffee, but not put it into practice.

We could support a political candidacy, we could donate or work for one or another politician that we agreed with.

This is America, I said.

"Are you in your good senses?" said my father. "We have lives here. We have businesses. If we get involved in politics, they will ruin us."

And no one, not the Roosevelt Democrats or the Reagan Republicans, disagreed. The socialists, the communists, the royalists, everyone nodded their heads.

This was Chicago. And for a business owner to get involved meant one thing: It would cost you money and somebody from government could destroy you.

The health inspectors would come, and the revenue department, the building inspectors, the fire inspectors, on and on. The city code books aren't thick because politicians like to write new laws and regulations. The codes are thick because when government swings them at a citizen, they hurt.

And who swings the codes and regulations at those who'd open their mouths? A government worker. That government worker owes his or her job to the political boss. And that boss has a boss.

The worker doesn't have to be told. The worker wants a promotion. If an irritant rises, it is erased. The hack gets a promotion. This is government.

So everybody kept their mouths shut, and Chicago was hailed by national political reporters as the city that works.

I didn't understand it all back then, but I understand it now. Once there were old bosses. Now there are new bosses. And shopkeepers still keep their mouths shut. Tavern owners still keep their mouths shut.

Even billionaires keep their mouths shut.

One hard-working billionaire whose children own the Chicago Cubs dared to open his mouth. Joe Ricketts considered funding a political group critical of Obama before last year's campaign. Mayor Rahm Emanuel, Obama's former chief of staff, made it clear that if the Cubs wanted City Hall's approval to refurbish decrepit Wrigley Field, Ricketts better back off.

It happened. He backed off. It was sickening. But it was and is Chicago.

And now — with the IRS used as political muscle and the Obama administration keeping that secret until after the president was elected — America understands it too.

boutons_deux
05-20-2013, 11:02 AM
"Internal Revenue Service scandal now devouring the Obama administration"

:lol

George Gervin's Afro
05-20-2013, 11:11 AM
it's a scandal..lol

TeyshaBlue
05-20-2013, 11:12 AM
It's certainly caused the administration to go completely off message since the story broke. So yeah, it's more than a trifling inconvenience.

tlongII
05-20-2013, 11:13 AM
Well boutons, the article is more about The Chicago Way. The point I'm making is that we elected this president out of the Chicago Political Machine. That was my biggest problem with Obama from the outset. That is the most politically corrupt area in the country.

boutons_deux
05-20-2013, 11:59 AM
Well boutons, the article is more about The Chicago Way. The point I'm making is that we elected this president out of the Chicago Political Machine. That was my biggest problem with Obama from the outset. That is the most politically corrupt area in the country.

all big city administrations are corrupt, LA, Chicago, NYC, Boston, etc. You hate Barry, so you pick him out from the entire corrupt political class and slander him, with Chicago's legendary corruption.

tlongII
05-20-2013, 12:06 PM
all big city administrations are corrupt, LA, Chicago, NYC, Boston, etc. You hate Barry, so you pick him out from the entire corrupt political class and slander him, with Chicago's legendary corruption.

I hate Barry because he's a Chicago politician. Chicago is the worst, by far, of all political municipalities. And Obama fits the Chicago stereotype to a T.

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 12:26 PM
What is your metric for corruption?

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 12:39 PM
What is your metric for corruption?

I got this study from a HuffPo link.

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/leadingthepack.pdf

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 12:40 PM
And when did you become tlongII?

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 12:44 PM
And when did you become tlongII?

Just pointing out how ridiculous your question was.


The Illinois Northern District, which contains the entire
Chicago metropolitan area, accounts for 1531 of the 1828 public corruption convictions
in Illinois. Therefore, almost 84% of the state’s federal public corruption conviction took
place in the Northern District. This makes it the federal district with the most public
corruption convictions in the nation since 1976.

tlongII
05-20-2013, 12:48 PM
lol

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 12:48 PM
It wasn't ridiculous at all. Even your article shows different metrics give different results.

Don't cry.

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 12:55 PM
:lmao

You are the one that got bitch slapped.

By what metric do you claim that Chicago is NOT the most corrupt city in the country?

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 12:57 PM
I never made any claim. I simply wanted to know what metric was being used. He never answered.

That's why you're a dumbass. You have been trained by your email list masters to perceive everything as the partisan attack you are used to making. When you do that, you're just another hack.

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 01:01 PM
His claim has been verified by none other than the University Of Illinois at Chicago. It's hardly the Heritage Foundation.

You challenged his assertion. His claim has been documented.

/Chump

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 01:02 PM
Again, why are you answering questions that are explicitly directed at someone else?

Oh, right -- you're a partisan hack.

I'm sure some other metrics would result in another area's being named more corrupt -- as the paper shows.

And that area would probably be another Democrat dominated area -- was surprised Texas rated so high in several of those measurements.

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 01:05 PM
His claim has been verified by none other than the University Of Illinois at Chicago. It's hardly the Heritage Foundation.

You challenged his assertion. His claim has been documented.

/ChumpAgain, why are you being tlong's semen shield? Does he really need your help that badly?

TeyshaBlue
05-20-2013, 01:07 PM
And that area would probably be another Democrat dominated area -- was surprised Texas rated so high in several of those measurements.

And, welcome to Dallas Mr CD. Please place your bribe in the toll basket marked "Bribes" as you enter our city.

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 01:08 PM
You challenged his assertion.I asked a question, listbot

SA210
05-20-2013, 01:08 PM
:lmao:rollinmeltdown

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 01:13 PM
:lmao:rollinmeltdownlol too scared to discuss politics anymore

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 01:17 PM
So what city in the US is the most corrupt according to Chumpdumper?

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 01:19 PM
So what city in the US is the most corrupt according to Chumpdumper?I don't know. Never looked into it. As your unsolicited link shows, there are several ways to measure it.

SA210
05-20-2013, 01:20 PM
lol too scared to discuss politics anymore


:lmao troll chump was wrong and got bitch-slapped, then had an immediate meltdown :madrun

:lmao troll accuses others of needing help, when chump always gets pathetic help from other trolls

:lmao troll chump quick to use gay references (semen shield??) that he makes funs of others for doing

:lmao troll hypocrite will respond to me deflecting/spinning these truths. I command you! Respond now, monkey.


:rollin

George Gervin's Afro
05-20-2013, 01:21 PM
Everytime I hear the chicago way it always pertains to politics 101. Every example someoone brings up as the Chicago way is simply politics.

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 01:22 PM
[All ChumpDumper, all the time]Now post again about me.

SA210
05-20-2013, 01:22 PM
75, 133 :lol

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 01:25 PM
Everytime I hear the chicago way it always pertains to politics 101. Every example someoone brings up as the Chicago way is simply politics.Right. For example, I read the OP's fear of destruction by government workers, but there were no examples of its actually happening.

I have no doubts about the paper that was linked, but bribes for zoning variances are different from destroying families.

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 01:25 PM
I don't know. Never looked into it. As your unsolicited link shows, there are several ways to measure it.

:lmao

pathetic. just pathetic.

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 01:25 PM
[Still about Chumpdumper]Now post again about me.

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 01:26 PM
:lmao

pathetic. just pathetic.You disagree with the paper you linked?

OK.

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 01:27 PM
You disagree with the paper you linked?

OK.

nope, talking about you.

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 01:28 PM
nope, talking about you.Thanks for agreeing with me, then.

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 01:38 PM
LOL, pathetic.

Sad part is, you apparently really think you are making some kind of point.

:lol

pathetic

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 01:38 PM
I didn't and wouldn't argue that Chicago is among the most corrupt cities in the US. Federal corruption convictions are a decent measurement, but even within that I have to ask if law enforcement is included in that metric. It could make a difference if it is accounted for or not.

And then what about state charges? It could be argued that they could be skewed due to state machines, but couldn't federal charges also be skewed for the same reason?

Lot's of things to consider. If you just want to be simple minded about it so you can make some political slogans or continue some personal feud, that's your choice.

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 02:14 PM
:lol

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 02:19 PM
Please explain what part of the post you disagree with and why.

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 02:27 PM
Please explain what part of the post you disagree with and why.


I didn't and wouldn't argue that Chicago is among the most corrupt cities in the US.

:lol

OK, Boutons...

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 02:30 PM
You didn't answer the question.

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 02:47 PM
The fact that you won't even concede that Chicago is ONE of the most corrupt cities in the US is hilarious...:lol

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 02:48 PM
The fact that you won't even concede that Chicago is ONE of the most corrupt cities in the US is hilarious...:lolI just said it was.

It is.

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 02:56 PM
I didn't and wouldn't argue that Chicago is among the most corrupt cities in the US.



Read what you wrote. You WOULDN'T argue that is WAS.

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 02:57 PM
I said I wouldn't argue the assertion that it was.

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 02:58 PM
:lol

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 02:59 PM
I said I wouldn't argue the assertion that it was.

The sentence would have required a double negative to assert that.

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 03:00 PM
I understand your confusion. Now that I've cleared it up for you, do you disagree with anything in the post?

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 03:04 PM
I understand your confusion. Now that I've cleared it up for you, do you disagree with anything in the post?

Before or after you reversed your position?

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 03:05 PM
Same position I always had. Good to know you don't disagree.

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 03:06 PM
:lol

CosmicCowboy
05-20-2013, 03:07 PM
First you argued the metrics of TLongs position that Chicago was the most corrupt city in the US and now you don't. I get it.

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/tumblr_m55v2bmuEs1qdxlfoo1_500.gif

ChumpDumper
05-20-2013, 03:08 PM
No, I asked what his metrics were.

He never answered.

SA210
05-21-2013, 12:35 AM
Before or after you reversed your position?


:lmao before or after his desperate gay reference meltdown

ChumpDumper
05-21-2013, 12:41 AM
lol keep melting down about me