Suspected jihadists hack man to death on busy London street

[SupremeGuy]

Two men wielding a machete and a cleaver hacked a man believed to be a soldier to death on a busy London street Wednesday while yelling "Allahu Akbar," in an attack that was caught on video and left the nation shocked and horrified.
(http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)
The victim, who some reports said may have been a soldier, was killed at the scene, and the attackers waited at the scene until police arrived and shot both. One attacker, his hands soaked in blood and still holding a machete, delivered an angry jihadist screed as stunned passersby watched, the dead man lying on the street, in the southeast London neighborhood of Woolwich. (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)
"We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you. The only reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying every day," he said in a video clip that was shown on the (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)ITV website (http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-05-22/exclusive-video-man-with-bloodied-hands-speaks-at-woolwich-scene/)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png. "This British soldier is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)
"I apologize that women have had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same," the killer continued. "You people will never be safe. Remove your government, they don't care about you." (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)
Witnesses said the attackers shouted "Allahu Akbar," Arabic for "God is Great," during the bloody rampage, according to the BBC. (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)
Police said two attackers were shot by authorities and taken to separate London hospitals to be treated for their injuries. Live television images of the scene showed a trail of blood on the pavement, cordoned-off streets and crime scene investigators marking the scene as witnesses recounted the harrowing attack. (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)
"These two guys were crazed. They were just animals," one witness, identified as James, told (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)LBC radio (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png. "They dragged him from the pavement and dumped his body in the middle of the road and left his body there." (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)
British Prime Minister David Cameron, who cut short a visit to Paris, condemned the killing as "truly shocking," and said there are "strong indications" that the attack was terror-related. He asked Home Secretary Theresa May to call an urgent meeting of the government's emergency committee. (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)
"Britain has suffered terrorist attacks before, terrorist attacks from the IRA, terrorist attacks from Islamic extremists," Cameron said. "We have suffered these attacks before and we have always beaten them back." (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)
Both French President Francois Hollande and MP Nick Raynsford told the BBC the dead man had been a soldier. (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)
Scotland Yard said officers responded to reports of the assault, which took place just a few blocks from a the Royal Artillery Barracks. The barracks -- which house a number of the King's Troop Royal Horse Artillery and independent companies of the Grenadier and Coldstream Guards -- were the site of shooting events during the 2012 London Olympics. (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)
The Muslim Council of Britain condemned the attack. (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)
"This is a truly barbaric act that has no basis in Islam and we condemn this unreservedly," the group said in a statement. "Our thoughts are with the victim and his family. We understand the victim is a serving member of the Armed Forces." (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)



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[SupremeGuy]

Totally peaceful religion, AMIRITE?

[Avante]

Anyone still not getting it?

[Smart Ass]

Anyone still not getting it?

Way to slice through all the PC crap.

[ChumpDumper]

Reprehensible, but not exclusive to Islam.

[Avante]

Way to slice through all the PC crap.

But we will still see those who still don't get it, amazing. What will it take before..."it appears Islam has a problem with violence"...?

http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Violence-Modern-Beverley-Milton-Edwards/dp/1403986185

[ChumpDumper]

We still see that some are quite ignorant concerning matters of history, and some believe that the books they have read are the only books that have ever existed.

[SupremeGuy]

Reprehensible, but not exclusive to Islam.Really? Show us the story where people from any other modern day religion runs around hacking people to death in the middle of a street while literally saying that they're doing this in the name of their religion.

Reprehensible, and exclusive to Islam.

[SupremeGuy]

But we will still see those who still don't get it, amazing. What will it take before..."it appears Islam has a problem with violence"...?The ignorant will always be blind. It's up to the rest of the World to do something about it.

[Avante]

Really? Show us the story where people from any other modern day religion runs around hacking people to death in the middle of a street while literally saying that they're doing this in the name of their religion.

Reprehensible, and exclusive to Islam.

Killing over cartoons? Suicide bombings? Public beheadings? Death to homosexuals? Honor killings? How many terrorist groups? Street hackings in the name of their God?

Now who do we think of?

[Avante]

The ignorant will always be blind. It's up to the rest of the World to do something about it.

I agree.

[ChumpDumper]

Really? Show us the story where people from any other modern day religion runs around hacking people to death in the middle of a street while literally saying that they're doing this in the name of their religion. The Sergeant's Affair during the Jewish insurgency in the Palestine Mandate fits the bill well enough -- but we like those guys now, so it can't count, right?

I guess we can parse everything down to the very specifics of the violent acts if we want. It's just a bit boring. Terror is terror -- but even that definition has been parsed.

[SupremeGuy]

LMAO! Did you really just have to go back 60 years to find/think of a story like this that didn't involve Islam? Holy shit.

[Capt Bringdown]

Woolwich attack in pictures

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22631274

According to senior Whitehall sources the people carrying out the attack were heard to say: "Allahu Akbar [God is Great]", BBC political editor Nick Robinson reported.

[Capt Bringdown]

http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/ay110562325twitter-pic-show.jpg?w=650&h=0&crop=1#038;h=447

Ingrid Loyau-Kennett confronted the alleged killer (Picture: Twitter)
News of the arrests came as a cub scout leader revealed she had confronted the attackers and urged them to put down their weapons.

Ingrid Loyau-Kennett warned them: ‘It is only you versus many people, you are going to lose.’

Speaking to the Daily Telegraph, the 48-year-old mother of two also said one of the attackers had told her: ‘We want to start a war in London tonight.’

[Capt Bringdown]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1gT6vjta1k&feature=player_embedded

[Rogue]

people living on islands have bad tempers in general, violence is written in their genes. the most infamous thieves & serial killers in british history had nothing to do with Islam

[Blake]

So what do you want to do about Islam?

Shut it down?

[SupremeGuy]

Treating it the same way we treated Communism is a great first step. Take the appropriate steps needed to ensure that modern day Islam and it's ignorance stops spreading, and at least attempt to contain it to the Middle East.

[Avante]

So what do you want to do about Islam?

Shut it down?

First thing we do is cool the denial. How obvious does it have to get there is something wrong with that primitive seventh century way of thinking. Boston Bombings...Muslims, London street hacking ...Muslims. Most the terrorist activity over the last 20 years...Muslims. Killing over cartoons....Muslims.

Time to stop playing silly games and start dealing with reality. Yes, no more mosques, make it very obvious this is not a Muslim country and never will be so be cool.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if they dont like the west, then gtfo

[Creepn]

Treating it the same way we treated Communism is a great first step. Take the appropriate steps needed to ensure that modern day Islam and it's ignorance stops spreading, and at least attempt to contain it to the Middle East.

So you want to repeat the fails in history. Good plan!

[ChumpDumper]

LMAO! Did you really just have to go back 60 years to find/think of a story like this that didn't involve Islam? Holy shit.T.hing is they got what they wanted back then.

Terror worked for them.

Nice attempt to move the goalposts though. :tu

[AussieFanKurt]

Killing over cartoons? Suicide bombings? Public beheadings? Death to homosexuals? Honor killings? How many terrorist groups? Street hackings in the name of their God?

Now who do we think of?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

Pedophilia in the catholic church and getting covered up for 40 years is 10x worse than someone hacked up in street

All religion have unbelievably fucked things now and in their future... don't make our yours is free of fucked up stuff.

[AussieFanKurt]

etc etc

[Capt Bringdown]

Treating it the same way we treated Communism is a great first step.
LOL
You mean like when the USSR invaded Afghanistan?

[Avante]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

Pedophilia in the catholic church and getting covered up for 40 years is 10x worse than someone hacked up in street

All religion have unbelievably fucked things now and in their future... don't make our yours is free of fucked up stuff.

Do you know anything at all about the amount of blood shed I'm talking about here? You have any idea how many have died because of Ialm and no I'm not talking about way back in thre day, I'm talking about in the last 20 years. Do you read the paper, watch the news on TV? Are you trying to tell me you honestly aren't seeing this? I mentioned right here on this board right after the Boston bombings that Islam would be responsible....bingo!...now how did I know that? How much more violence do you need to see before you figure the obvious out?

Go to Google or youtube and type in....violence and Islam....if you read everything there we'd never see you again here. It's that overwelming.You have any idea how many books are out there about violence and Islam? How how the novies?

You live under a rock, in a cave?

If I were to list all the Islamic terrorist groups out there right now you'd tell me....tldr. If I were to show you all the kill/chop scriptures in the Koran you'd tell me....tldr.

[AussieFanKurt]

Do you know anything at all about the amount of blood shed I'm talking about here? You have any idea how many have died because of Ialm and no I'm not talking about way back in thre day, I'm talking about in the last 20 years. Do you read the paper, watch the news on TV? Are you trying to tell me you honestly aren't seeing this? I mentioned right here on this board right after the Boston bombings that Islam would be responsible....bingo!...now how did I know that? How much more violence do you need to see before you figure the obvious out?

Go to Google or youtube and type in....violence and Islam....if you read everything there we'd never see you again here. It's that overwelming.You have any idea how many books are out there about violence and Islam? How how the novies?

You live under a rock, in a cave?

I fucking know what Islam has done you idiot.. I'm not denying that... I'm pointing out how much bad other religions do... eg covering up pedophilia which makes me just as sick as what happened today. All religions are fucked... you cannon deny that. If you do you are a ignorant/biased

[Avante]

I fucking know what Islam has done you idiot.. I'm not denying that... I'm pointing out how much bad other religions do... eg covering up pedophilia which makes me just as sick as what happened today. All religions are fucked... you cannon deny that. If you do you are a ignorant/biased

All dogs will bite you, then there's the pit bull. I'm talking about degrees of violence here. No religion comes remotely close to Islam when it comes to blood shed. If you live in todays world how can you not know this? It's all over the place we see it almost dailey, where are you?

Don't ignore my...check out Google/youtube..bit. Go check it out and tell me what you see, don't ignore it. It's real obvious you are ignorant and need some education. Ever read any books on the subject, well start. Want me to recommend a dozen or so that I have read?

[ChumpDumper]

Avante read a religious violence almanac.

[AussieFanKurt]

All dogs will bite you, then there's the pit bull. I'm talking about degrees of violence here. No religion comes remotely close to Islam when it comes to blood shed. If you live in todays world how can you not know this? It's all over the place we see it almost dailey, where are you?

Don't ignore my...check out Google/youtube..bit. Go check it out and tell me what you see, don't ignore it. It's real obvious you are ignorant and need some education. Ever read any books on the subject, well start. Want me to recommend a dozen or so that I have read?

I'm not measuring it. Yes extremist muslims do lots of bad stuff. But that doesn't mean that other religions are perfect.... I love how you keep avoiding the pedophilia point which is one of the worst things to happen in the 20th/21st century... oh no only muslims do fucked shit

ignorant? lolllll i'm acknowledging islams faults.. you won't hear my point that other religions are bad too

don't avoid points for once. I've seen a million videos on youtube about islam and violence etc etc.. read into all religions

[Avante]

I'm not measuring it. Yes extremist muslims do lots of bad stuff. But that doesn't mean that other religions are perfect.... I love how you keep avoiding the pedophilia point which is one of the worst things to happen in the 20th/21st century... oh no only muslims do fucked shit

ignorant? lolllll i'm acknowledging islams faults.. you won't hear my point that other religions are bad too

don't avoid points for once. I've seen a million videos on youtube about islam and violence etc etc.. read into all religions

While pedophilia is terrible it doesn't compare to murder, lets be real here. Give anyone a choice and I gurantee you it won't be murder.

Where you and most everyone else make the big mistake is thinking.....extremist Muslims....when that simply isn't true at all. there is nothing extreme about ridding the world of those dreaded infidels, that is what Islam is all about. Those are the fundamentals.

Yes all religions have their dark side but none of them come close to matching Islam when it comes to senseless killings.

I guarantee that before the end of the year we will have another....BOOM!!!!!!! (similiar to Boston)!....thank's to Islam, you disagree? What are Christians blowing up lately?

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What has Islamic countries have so far contributed to the world. Nothing!!! Zero. Only thing Islam has given is slaughtering of human beings and sacrificing animals together. That is why millions yes MILLIONS of Muslims who can think on their own want to leave or have left Islam - the violent religion. Islam is the most horrible white Arab imperialistic movement for past 1400 years and the time has come to finish with it.
Look at the overall 1400 years of Islamic history. What they have done and slaughtered millions and millions of innocent people in all over Islamicized countries eclipse a few million killed by Communism and European wars.

Look at todays world. Why is that almost all violence of past 2 decades is leading to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Syria, Palestine, Somalia and all other Muslim countries.

[AussieFanKurt]

While pedophilia is terrible it doesn't compare to murder, lets be real here. Give anyone a choice and I gurantee you it won't be murder.

Where you and most everyone else make the big mistake is thinking.....extremist Muslims....when that simply isn't true at all. there is nothing extreme about ridding the world of those dreaded infidels, that is what Islam is all about. Those are the fundamentals.

Yes all religions have their dark side but none of them come close to matching Islam when it comes to senseless killings.

I guarantee that before the end of the year we will have another....BOOM!!!!!!! (similiar to Boston)!....thank's to Islam, you disagree? What are Christians blowing up lately?

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What has Islamic countries have so far contributed to the world. Nothing!!! Zero. Only thing Islam has given is slaughtering of human beings and sacrificing animals together. That is why millions yes MILLIONS of Muslims who can think on their own want to leave or have left Islam - the violent religion. Islam is the most horrible white Arab imperialistic movement for past 1400 years and the time has come to finish with it.
Look at the overall 1400 years of Islamic history. What they have done and slaughtered millions and millions of innocent people in all over Islamicized countries eclipse a few million killed by Communism and European wars.

Look at todays world. Why is that almost all violence of past 2 decades is leading to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Syria, Palestine, Somalia and all other Muslim countries.



are you fucking retarded.... do you know how many people commit suicide after being sexually abused... you are fucked up for life after bad sexual abuse. I'd rather be killed than abused as a kid and live a fucked up life full of nightmares and bad memories..

you dont have to convince me that islam has got some bad eggs.. i know this.. pedophilia, ira, crusades... catholics aren't free... really the only religion that can judge other ones is buddhism...

[Avante]

are you fucking retarded.... do you know how many people commit suicide after being sexually abused... you are fucked up for life after bad sexual abuse. I'd rather be killed than abused as a kid and live a fucked up life full of nightmares and bad memories..

you dont have to convince me that islam has got some bad eggs.. i know this.. pedophilia, ira, crusades... catholics aren't free... really the only religion that can judge other ones is buddhism...

I'm not making light of pedophillia at all, it's terrible. But we do have to talk about numbers here, far more are killed by Muslims than are molested by priests, you disagree? And what is the stat on suicide because of pedophillia?

The bottom line is that why would you or anyone make some feeble attempt to stick up for Islam? When it's very very obvious this is one jacked up religion. How much killing do you have to see?

Once again, have you ever read up on Islam, did any research?

[AussieFanKurt]

I'm not making light of pedophillia at all, it's terrible. But we do have to talk about numbers here, far more are killed by Muslims than are molested by priests, you disagree? And what is the stat on suicide because of pedophillia?

The bottom line is that why would you or anyone make some feeble attempt to stick up for Islam? When it's very very obvious this is one jacked up religion. How much killing do you have to see?

Once again, have you ever read up on Islam, did any research?

I dont want to stand up for it.... I'm merely as I'm going to say for 10th time that other religions are fucking bad too

Yes I have read up on islam... I said

[Avante]

I dont want to stand up for it.... I'm merely as I'm going to say for 10th time that other religions are fucking bad too

Yes I have read up on islam... I said

And for the 100th time we all know that, ok? But who other than Islam is ramming themselves into buildings in NY? What other religion has a flock of suicide bombers? What other religion kills over.....cartoons? What other religion has public beheadings, stonings, honor killings? Tell Boston about other relgions, tell the family of that guy who just got hacked up about other religions. Wanna see that mile long list of Islamic terrorist groups?

Look guy, what I'm saying is that Islam is the most dangerous, blood thirsty of all the other religions combined, you disagree? Save..well back in the Crusades...I'm talking about in the 20 years.

[TheRealCB]

The thing is,the pedophilia incidents didn't happen in the name of Jesus Christ. They happened because these people were sick.

The point is,every religion is to be blamed for deaths throughout history,but only Islam keeps this up even in the modern day.

[BobaFett1]

And for the 100th time we all know that, ok? But who other than Islam is ramming themselves into buildings in NY? What other religion has a flock of suicide bombers? What other religion kills over.....cartoons? What other religion has public beheadings, stonings, honor killings? Tell Boston about other relgions, tell the family of that guy who just got hacked up about other religions. Wanna see that mile long list of Islamic terrorist groups?

Look guy, what I'm saying is that Islam is the most dangerous, blood thirsty of all the other religions combined, you disagree? Save..well back in the Crusades...I'm talking about in the 20 years.

ChumpDumper is in denial. The Muslims are effin crazy. Time to watch them and elimnate them.

[BobaFett1]

I dont want to stand up for it.... I'm merely as I'm going to say for 10th time that other religions are fucking bad too

Yes I have read up on islam... I said


Islam is the worse. Still in dark ages.

[DarrinS]

Why do some people reflexively start attacking "other religions" when shit like this goes down?

[DisAsTerBot]

because religion is corrupting

[NASCARdad]

First thing we do is cool the denial. How obvious does it have to get there is something wrong with that primitive seventh century way of thinking. Boston Bombings...Muslims, London street hacking ...Muslims. Most the terrorist activity over the last 20 years...Muslims. Killing over cartoons....Muslims.

Time to stop playing silly games and start dealing with reality. Yes, no more mosques, make it very obvious this is not a Muslim country and never will be so be cool.

While I share your sentiments this is a Country with FREEDOM of religion and you cannot shut down or say no more mosques. I will fight for the freedom of religion. This also not a Christian county eitther and never will be.

[NASCARdad]

Hell, there are people right here in the US who will let their children die because their religion says no to modern medicine.

[jeebus]

Witnesses said the attackers shouted "Allahu Akbar," Arabic for "God is Great," during the bloody rampage, according to the BBC. (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/)


fuckin lefty

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm not a fan of any religious institution, but Islam definitely needs to go the fuck away. Its antiquated ideals and bloodthirsty rhetoric need to be wiped off the planet.

[BobaFett1]

While I share your sentiments this is a Country with FREEDOM of religion and you cannot shut down or say no more mosques. I will fight for the freedom of religion. This also not a Christian county eitther and never will be.

Really? You missed god we trust memo.

[BobaFett1]

because religion is corrupting

Agree. I rather just have folks believe in God. Religion is like politics.

[jeebus]

lmao

"The slain soldier has been named as Lee Rigby, who held the rank of drummer, the Ministry of Defense said."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/23/world/europe/london-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


lol nigs killing a drummer then ranting about how drummers kill muslims
lol religion of peace but hates drummers

[Avante]

While I share your sentiments this is a Country with FREEDOM of religion and you cannot shut down or say no more mosques. I will fight for the freedom of religion. This also not a Christian county eitther and never will be.

What % of Americans do you think are Christians?

Why can't we say no more mosques?

[RandomGuy]

Really? Show us the story where people from any other modern day religion runs around hacking people to death in the middle of a street while literally saying that they're doing this in the name of their religion.

Reprehensible, and exclusive to Islam.

Buddists are doing somethign pretty much similar right now... to muslims. Yeah, Buddists.

[SupremeGuy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

Pedophilia in the catholic church and getting covered up for 40 years is 10x worse than someone hacked up in street

All religion have unbelievably fucked things now and in their future... don't make our yours is free of fucked up stuff.The pedophiles didn't touch children in the name of their religion. The people that are doing these disgusting and primitive acts are specifically doing them in the name of islam.

And LOL at the Crusades. That's how barbaric, intolerant, primitive, and out-of-place modern day islam is? That you have to compare it to things that happened hundreds of years ago? Holy fucking shit! hahha

[RandomGuy]

Video shows Burmese police standing by as Buddhists attack Muslims
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/22/burmese-police-buddhists-attack-muslims

Hindu attacks rout Muslims from their homes, death toll at 300
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20020302&slug=uglyindia02

Of course, there is always what the Christians did to them in what was Yugoslavia.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/17/Izbica_massacre.jpg

Yeah, muslims are the only ones..... (rolls eyes)

[Th'Pusher]

What % of Americans do you think are Christians?

Why can't we say no more mosques?
I'm pretty sure you'd need to pass an ammendment to the constitution to do that. You should start working on that now.

[SupremeGuy]

The thing is,the pedophilia incidents didn't happen in the name of Jesus Christ. They happened because these people were sick.

The point is,every religion is to be blamed for deaths throughout history,but only Islam keeps this up even in the modern day.Bingo.

[RandomGuy]

The pedophiles didn't touch children in the name of their religion. The people that are doing these disgusting and primitive acts are specifically doing them in the name of islam.

And LOL at the Crusades. That's how barbaric, intolerant, primitive, and out-of-place modern day islam is? That you have to compare it to things that happened hundreds of years ago? Holy fucking shit! hahha

How about 15 years ago? Would that be a bit more representative?


Serbs = Christians, Albanians = Muslims

Incomplete list of massacres by Serb forces in the Kosovo War, listed chronologically:

February 28, 1998, Likošane Massacre — Serb Special Police murdered 14 members of the Ahmeti family.[1]
February 28 and March 1, 1998, Cirez Massacre — Serb Paramilitaries executed several members of the Sejdiu family.[2][3]
April 1, 1999 (and May 25, 1998), Ljubenić massacres — Serb police officers executed at least eight men suspected of being KLA insurgents.[4]* September 26, 1998, Golubovac Massacre - Serb Paramilitaries summarily killed thirteen men who were under the suspicion of being KLA insurgents. The men were detained at a compound in the village of Golubovac.[5]
September 28, 1999, Gornje Obrinje Massacre - After 15 Yugoslav soldiers were killed the previous day by sniper-fire coming from the village of Gornje Obrinje, Special Forces entered the village and executed 21 members of the Delijaj family.[6]
January 15, 1999 Račak Massacre - A Serb Special Anti-Terrorism Unit killed 40-45 people in Račak. Investigations were carried out by Belarusian, Finnish and Yugoslavian officials. The Finnish investigators representing EU deemed that these killings were committed on civilians.[7] It is widely accepted as a massacre.[7]. Conversely, the Belarusian and Yugoslavian investigators deemed that those killed were not civilians.
January 29, 1999, Rogovo Massacre — Serb police-officers executed 24 Albanians, supposedly KLA members.[8][9][10]
March 5, 1999, Attack on Prekaz - Serb forces raided the village of KLA leader Adem Jashari and killed him, his brother, and around sixty members of his family.[11][12][13][14][15][16][17]
25 March 1999, Massacre at Velika Kruša - 90 men were executed in the village of Velika Kruša. Massacres such as this were typical throughout 1999, as the Serb Special Forces attempted to decrease the number of recruits joining the Kosovo Liberation Army.
March 25, 1999, Bela Crkva massacre — Serb Police Officers executed more than 60 ethnic Albanians in Bela Crkva, including twenty members of the Popaj family and twenty-five members of the Zhuniqi family, on the grounds that they were suspected KLA members.[18][19]
26 March 1999, Suva Reka massacre - Members of the Berisha family were forced into their family-owned pizzeria, where two hand grenades were thrown. Serb police officers shot anyone who displayed any signs of life. The police officers then took all of the bodies and disposed of them in a mass grave, near an anti-terrorism facility in Batajnica.[20]
March 28, 1999, Izbica Massacre - The Yugoslav Army shelled the village of Izbica. After the shelling killed over a hundred people, Serb Special Forces entered, demanded money from the refugees and told the women, the children and the elderly to go to Albania. After they left, the Special Forces lined about fifty men up against a wall and executed them with automatic weapons.
March 31, 1999, Ljubižda Massacre — security forces reportedly shot 14 men in the village of Ljubižda, northwest of Prizren.[21]
March 31, 1999, Pusto Selo Massacre — Serb Paramilitaries lined 106 ethnic Albanian men against a wall and executed them in Pusto Selo, near Orahovac. The men were allegedely KLA sympathizers.[22]
April 5, 1999, Rezala Massacre — Serb Police Officers allegedly entered the Albanian village of Rezala and gunned down at least 80 villagers suspected of harbouring KLA guerillas.[23]
April 17, 1999, Poklek Massacre — A Montenegrin Unit of the Serb Special Police[clarification needed] forced at least 47 people into one room and opened fire. 23 children under the age of fifteen died in the operation.[23]
April 17, 1999, Ćikatovo massacre — Serb Paramilitaries killed twenty-four men from the Morina family that were suspected of being KLA members.[23]
April 27, 1999, Meja Massacre - Serb police and paramilitary forces killed at least 300 Albanian men in the village of Meja, in Đakovica municipality. On the same day, in the nearby village of Korenica 13 Albanian men were killed and their bodies burned. Another 67 people from Korenica remain missing, as well as fifty-three other villagers from the surrounding area who were seeking refuge in Korenica.[24]
May 2–3, 1999, Vučitrn Massacre - Albanian refugees fleeing the fighting that was occurring between the Serb Army and the KLA were cornered by the Serb Special Forces (who suspected that some KLA members were fleeing the fighting with the refugees). The Special Forces picked out about 120 men who they suspected of being KLA deserters and sprayed them with bullets and later hid their bodies in a mass-grave near Gornja Sudimlja.
May 14, 1999, Cuska Massacre — Serb police and Paramilitary Forces gathered villagers into 3 houses, gunned them down with automatic weapons and burned down the houses, killing all 41. .[25]
May 22, 1999, Dubrava Prison Massacre — Serbian prison guards killed more than 70 Albanian prisoners.[26]
May 26, 1999, Prizren Massacre - Serb Volunteers killed thirty-four people and burned over 100 homes in the Tusus neighborhood of the city of Prizren, in an attempt to eradicate a dozen KLA insurgents.[27]

[RandomGuy]

Why can't we say no more mosques?


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


In 1947, the U.S. Supreme Court decision Everson v. Board of Education incorporated the Establishment Clause (i.e., made it apply against the states). In the majority decision, Justice Hugo Black wrote,

The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion to another ... in the words of Jefferson, the [First Amendment] clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between church and State' ... That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach."[10]

Why do you hate the constitution?

[BobaFett1]

Why do you hate the constitution?

Dude I am sure forefathers never knew there be crazy mooslims here killing folks. constitution means nothing to obama.

[DarrinS]

Video shows Burmese police standing by as Buddhists attack Muslims
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/22/burmese-police-buddhists-attack-muslims

Hindu attacks rout Muslims from their homes, death toll at 300
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20020302&slug=uglyindia02

Of course, there is always what the Christians did to them in what was Yugoslavia.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/17/Izbica_massacre.jpg

Yeah, muslims are the only ones..... (rolls eyes)


What do all those things have in common?

Gotta do some pretty f*cked up shit to get Buddhists attacking you.

[Avante]

I'm pretty sure you'd need to pass an ammendment to the constitution to do that. You should start working on that now.


It's pretty obvious we can't battle seventh century Islam using our antique system of rights. So we need to make some dramatic changes. No more mosques makes all the sense in the world. We need to start dealing with real life, Islam ia a religion about world dominance, do really need that here?

[Th'Pusher]

It's pretty obvious we can't battle seventh century Islam using our antique system of rights. So we need to make some dramatic changes. No more mosques makes all the sense in the world. We need to start dealing with real life, Islam ia a religion about world dominance, do really need that here?

You're in luck, because they actually included a vehicle for changing the constitution into the constitution itself. Check out Article V.

[SupremeGuy]

How about 15 years ago? Would that be a bit more representative?


Serbs = Christians, Albanians = MuslimsDid you even read your own post? Most of the people being killed were terrorists or were harboring terrorists.

[SupremeGuy]

Why do you hate the constitution?No one here hates the American Constitution, but in all honesty, why do you hate Western Civilization? You keep looking away from the atrocities committed in the name of islam and keep trying to shift focus to anything else hoping that we'll forget what this thread is about. Would you like to stay on subject and discuss why islam refuses to grow and adapt with the modern World?

[JoeTait75]

And LOL at the Crusades. That's how barbaric, intolerant, primitive, and out-of-place modern day islam is? That you have to compare it to things that happened hundreds of years ago? Holy fucking shit! hahha

Not to mention the Crusades were a response to hundreds of years of Muslim aggression against Europe.

[BobaFett1]

Avante you have to remember the rules do not apply when dealing with the liberals.

[Blake]

So we need to make some dramatic changes. No more mosques makes all the sense in the world. We need to start dealing with real life, Islam ia a religion about world dominance, do really need that here?

Lol

[Th'Pusher]

Avante appears to be the one who thinks the rules don't apply, with his ridiculously unconstitutional suggestions on how to deal with an extremely small minority of people who subscribe to the Muslim religion.

[Avante]

Avante appears to be the one who thinks the rules don't apply, with his ridiculously unconstitutional suggestions on how to deal with an extremely small minority of people who subscribe to the Muslim religion.

How many times have we we seen amendments to the consitution? What's one more?

You have any idea how many Muslims there are?

[Th'Pusher]

How many times have we we seen amendments to the consitution? What's one more?

You have any idea how many Muslims there are?

How many Muslims there are is irrelevant. What we care about is the number of Islamic extremists who are willing to inflict harm on others in the name of their religion. I'd assume that number is a small fraction of the total number of people who adhere to the religion. You may be willing to codify discrimination of an entire religion in the constitution in an effort to mitigate the potential threat from a small minority of the religion's adherents, but I'm not and I don't think 2/3rds of the states are either. Quite frankly it's a ridiculous suggestion on your part imho.

[BobaFett1]

How many times have we we seen amendments to the consitution? What's one more?

You have any idea how many Muslims there are?


The Mooslims are not the friends of us. I never seen one mooslim group condemn 9/11.

[BobaFett1]

How many Muslims there are is irrelevant. What we care about is the number of Islamic extremists who are willing to inflict harm on others in the name of their religion. I'd assume that number is a small fraction of the total number of people who adhere to the religion. You may be willing to codify discrimination of an entire religion in the constitution in an effort to mitigate the potential threat from a small minority of the religion's adherents, but I'm not and I don't think 2/3rds of the states are either. Quite frankly it's a ridiculous suggestion on your part imho.

Th'Pusher your PC is going to get folks killed.

[ChumpDumper]

The Mooslims are not the friends of us. I never seen one mooslim group condemn 9/11.You didn't look.

[Avante]

How many Muslims there are is irrelevant. What we care about is the number of Islamic extremists who are willing to inflict harm on others in the name of their religion. I'd assume that number is a small fraction of the total number of people who adhere to the religion. You may be willing to codify discrimination of an entire religion in the constitution in an effort to mitigate the potential threat from a small minority of the religion's adherents, but I'm not and I don't think 2/3rds of the states are either. Quite frankly it's a ridiculous suggestion on your part imho.

Where did you ever get the idea we are dealing with some small fraction here? You have any idea how many Islamic terrorist groups are out there right now? Cool the word...extremists...ok? That is Islam, that is what is suppose to be done, nothing extreme about it.

Go to the library get you a book on Islam, it's real obvious you are clueless.

[Avante]

Let me add....

Right after 9/11 if this topic of ...boo Islam...was brought up on these boards most stillstood up for Islam, only a few like myself were slamming the religion. Now whe this topic is brought up few are defending it. That should send a mesage.

[Avante]

Let me add....

Right after 9/11 if this topic of ...boo Islam...was brought up on these boards most still stood up for Islam, only a few like myself were slamming the religion. Now when this topic is brought up few are defending it. That should send a message.

[ChumpDumper]

Let me add....

Right after 9/11 if this topic of ...boo Islam...was brought up on these boards most stillstood up for Islam, only a few like myself were slamming the religion. Now whe this topic is brought up few are defending it. That should send a mesage.The message is, you're an idiot.

OK tell us how many Muslim terrorists there are in the world right now.

Open your almanac.

[Clipper Nation]

How many times have we we seen amendments to the consitution? What's one more?

Any amendment that invalidates the part of the First Amendment that bans laws respecting religion would be an absolute nightmare for this country..... goodbye separation of church and state, hello full-out Jeebotard governance!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Any amendment that invalidates the part of the First Amendment that bans laws respecting religion would be an absolute nightmare for this country..... goodbye separation of church and state, hello full-out Jeebotard governance!

We kinda already have jeebotard governance. Even as secular as Obama is compared to our last president, he gave a jeebotard speech after the Newtown shooting about how all the kids walk in heaven now (which is pretty stupid because 26 kids going to the utopia known as heaven for all eternity isn't a tragedy at all :lol)

America is the one modern country where you need to be a jeebotard in order to run for president :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Not to mention the Crusades were a response to hundreds of years of Muslim aggression against Europe.

Yeah that totally explains why plenty of non-Muslim groups were targeted during the crusades.

[Clipper Nation]

We kinda already have jeebotard governance.

Kind of, but the floodgates would be officially opened if that faggot Avante got his way and there would be no going back :lol

[Avante]

The Crusades, hahaha!!!!!!!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Kind of, but the floodgates would be officially opened if that faggot Avante got his way and there would be no going back :lol

Yeah unfortunately faggots like Avante make up 30% of this country and they do a great job at yelling and screaming louder than other groups to give the false impression their jeebotard views are more popular than they actually are, an example of this being the group "one million moms" that has 2,000 followers on twitter :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah unfortunately faggots like Avante make up 30% of this country and they do a great job at yelling and screaming louder than other groups to give the false impression their jeebotard views are more popular than they actually are, an example of this being the group "one million moms" that has 2,000 followers on twitter :lmao
The funniest part is that Avante claims he's not religious and doesn't follow the God of the Bible yet gets all his talking points from Jeebotards and backs himself up by appealing to the "popularity" of worshipping the God of the Bible :lol

[Avante]

Yeah unfortunately faggots like Avante make up 30% of this country and they do a great job at yelling and screaming louder than other groups to give the false impression their jeebotard views are more popular than they actually are, an example of this being the group "one million moms" that has 2,000 followers on twitter :lmao

Do you ever talk about anything you actually have a clue about?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The funniest part is that Avante claims he's not religious and doesn't follow the God of the Bible yet gets all his talking points from Jeebotards and backs himself up by appealing to the "popularity" of worshipping the God of the Bible :lol

It's the gimmicky type of shit jeebotards do to try to add value and credibility to their argument so they avoid looking like a bible thumping shill :lol

Countless other jeebotards on this site qualify their arguments with "Don't get me wrong, I'm not religious and I'm kinda agnostic!" type of stuff in order to make their views seem unbiased and objective when they're identical to the views stereotypical jeebotards have.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Do you ever talk about anything you actually have a clue about?

Awesome counter argument

[Avante]

Awesome counter argument

Awesome example of ignoring the question.

[JoeTait75]

Yeah that totally explains why plenty of non-Muslim groups were targeted during the crusades.

The Muslims killed their share of Jews in those days too, DoK.

It's just a fact that Europe was invaded by Muslims in the centuries before the Crusades. The Battle of Tours was fought just outside of Paris. How did the Muslims get that far? They weren't enticed there by the welfare benefits.

I'm not saying the Crusades weren't brutal, because they were. But things went both ways. We've been force-fed a view of the Crusades that they were unprovoked Christian aggression against Muslims and that simply wasn't the case. The Muslims gave as good as they got.

[TheRealCB]

Well I am an atheist,but I am Greek too.And Turk muslims captured and held Greece for almost 400 years,keeping us enslaved.They pillaged,raped,slaughtered,took 2-3 year old kids and turned them to their most fearful groups of soldiers.So yeah,fuck all of them.

You can try and justify 9/11 all you want,and bash Bush for going to war,but this religion needs to be wiped of the face of the earth..

Which other fucking religion says,kill in the name of our god?

[Avante]

It's about time, it took long enought for others to finally start seeing Islam for what it really is a bunch of seventh century thinking thugs with primitive ideas.

Why I Left Islam....great read, tells it exactly how it is.

[Leetonidas]

all religious fucktards need to be nuked, period. World we be a much better place without this fake bullshit

[AussieFanKurt]

all religious fucktards need to be nuked, period. World we be a much better place without this fake bullshit

cue avante talking about how all people are happier with god in their lives

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The Muslims killed their share of Jews in those days too, DoK.

Yeah I don't think Islam is some great religion or anything. It's more brutal primitive than Christianity, I just don't care about it as much because it doesn't dominate the country I live in.

[DarrinS]

all religious fucktards need to be nuked, period. World we be a much better place without this fake bullshit

This concept worked really well for the communists in the Soviet Union and China. Do you know how many millions of their citizens they killed?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Well I am an atheist,but I am Greek too.And Turk muslims captured and held Greece for almost 400 years,keeping us enslaved.They pillaged,raped,slaughtered,took 2-3 year old kids and turned them to their most fearful groups of soldiers.So yeah,fuck all of them.

You can try and justify 9/11 all you want,and bash Bush for going to war,but this religion needs to be wiped of the face of the earth..

Which other fucking religion says,kill in the name of our god?

Bush's war only strengthened Islam more. He took out a secular dictator in Iraq and turned it into another haven for Islamic extremists.

[Woo Bum-kon]

This concept worked really well for the communists in the Soviet Union and China. Do you know how many millions of their citizens they killed?

Through malice or ineptitude?

[DarrinS]

Through malice or ineptitude?

Oh, so it was never implemented correctly? I see.

[DarrinS]

8VgUBf0Fhrc

[Woo Bum-kon]

Oh, so it was never implemented correctly? I see.

What was never implemented correctly?

I'm saying that Russia and China killed a lot of their citizens unintentionally. It had less to do with their personal philosophies and more to do with incompetence. That's not a defense of Communism at all. It's just a simple fact.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

8VgUBf0Fhrc

You should also post the clip where Glen Greenwald undresses and rapes Bill Maher on the subject.

[DarrinS]

What was never implemented correctly?

I'm saying that Russia and China killed a lot of their citizens unintentionally. It had less to do with their personal philosophies and more to do with incompetence. That's not a defense of Communism at all. It's just a simple fact.



Please elaborate. Can't wait to hear this.

[DarrinS]

You should also post the clip where Glen Greenwald undresses and rapes Bill Maher on the subject.



You referring to this?




GLENN GREENWALD: How can you be a citizen of the United States, the country that has generated more violence and militarism in the world over the last five or six decades and say, 'Look at those people over there. They are incredibly violent.' We play a significant role in what is happening in the Middle East because we've been interfering and dominating that region is order to have access to their oil and protect Israel.

BILL MAHER: Well, I wasn't talking about violence, I was just talking about theocracy. That doesn't happen here.

GREENWALD: Okay, that doesn't happen here, but at the same time, Iran isn't invading lots of other countries and occupying them for a decade. Nor are fundamentalist Muslim countries like the United States is. These things are interlinked because we're continuously interfering in that part of the world. So to say --

MAHER: So it's all our fault?

GREENWALD: It's not all our fault, but when you send your military for 6 straight decades into other countries to bomb them, kill their children and women and innocent men, prop up dictators.

[CROSSTALK]

GREENWALD: Yeah, you take responsibility for your actions and say to the extent of that region --

MAHER: That religion goes back a 1,000 years before our revolution. So, I don't think we can take all the blame.

GREENWALD: I don't think we should. I think we should take a lot of it. And there's been lots of bodies and corpses that have piled up in the name of Christianity and Judaism as well.

MAHER: Not recently.

GREENWALD: Have you heard about the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza for the last 50 years -- motivated in part by extremists views by Judaism? Or the wars in Europe? Or generals in the United States saying we have to go invade and destroy Iraq, a country of 26 million people, because our God is bigger?

Lots of religions, not just Islam, produce violence.

MAHER: Well, it's that silly liberal view that all religions are alike because it makes you feel good.

GREENWALD: No, it makes you feel good to say our side is better.

MAHER: No, it makes you feel good to put a crown on your head and say, 'I'm a good person, how do I prove that?'

GREENWALD: You get to ignore the responsibility that your own government has for the violence and instability in the world by saying, 'Look, it's that primitive religion over there that's to blame.' (HBO's Real Time, May 10, 2013)




Yeah, you can blame the USA and its interests for Islamic terrorism, but that still doesn't explain why people get killed over cartoons.

[TheRealCB]

Bush's war only strengthened Islam more. He took out a secular dictator in Iraq and turned it into another haven for Islamic extremists.

Yes,you are right on that one.Islam and muslims need to be extinct.It's like time never moved for these people..They are still stuck in 1000 B.C.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Please elaborate. Can't wait to hear this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yes,you are right on that one.Islam and muslims need to be extinct.It's like time never moved for these people..They are still stuck in 1000 B.C.

Islam was never ushered out of the dark ages by a scientific renaissance like Christianity was. That's the big difference. It's a total myth that Christianity became less extreme and modernized on its own. It fought tooth and nail against stuff like the world being round, Earth rotating around the sun, the world being more than 6,000 years old, the theory of evolution, etc.

If Christianity had its way we'd be teaching, "Six thousand years ago god created a flat planet Earth as the center of the universe!" in science classes.

[DarrinS]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

I can do that too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

[Woo Bum-kon]

I can do that too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

Again, I'm not defending Communism. I freely admit that the USSR and China killed their citizens intentionally, too.

[TheRealCB]

Islam was never ushered out of the dark ages by a scientific renaissance like Christianity was. That's the big difference. It's a total myth that Christianity became less extreme and modernized on its own. It fought tooth and nail against stuff like the world being round, Earth rotating around the sun, the world being more than 6,000 years old, the theory of evolution, etc.

If Christianity had its way we'd be teaching, "Six thousand years ago god created a flat planet Earth as the center of the universe!" in science classes.

I agree with all of this,and as I've said earlier I'm an atheist,so I'm not here to defend Christianity.

All I'm saying is: No religion other than Islam continues to kill in the name of their "God". Buddhists never did,Christians grew out of it, and Jews,well,they have to fight back.Muslims in 2013 go into London and kill a "soldier" in the name of Mohamed.A fucking drummer!

Fuck them.

[CuckingFunt]

Why I Left Islam....great read, tells it exactly how it is.

Translation: It reaffirms all of the assumptions I have already made.

[DarrinS]

Islam was never ushered out of the dark ages by a scientific renaissance like Christianity was. That's the big difference. It's a total myth that Christianity became less extreme and modernized on its own. It fought tooth and nail against stuff like the world being round, Earth rotating around the sun, the world being more than 6,000 years old, the theory of evolution, etc.

If Christianity had its way we'd be teaching, "Six thousand years ago god created a flat planet Earth as the center of the universe!" in science classes.


I don't totally disagree with what you're saying, but clinging to long-held beliefs is not unique to Christianity.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I don't totally disagree with what you're saying, but clinging to long-held beliefs is not unique to Christianity.
Agreed. All religions cling to long-held primitive beliefs. Orthodox Jews still think women should be stoned to death if they don't dress correctly while Saudi Arabia actually does stone women to death for dressing incorrectly.

[DarrinS]

Agreed. All religions cling to long-held primitive beliefs. Orthodox Jews still think women should be stoned to death if they don't dress correctly while Saudi Arabia actually does stone women to death for dressing incorrectly.


I've never heard that before.


Also, it's not just religious people that cling to long-held beliefs. The scientific "consensus" was that stress caused peptic ulcers until just very recently.

[Clipper Nation]

cue avante talking about how all people are happier with god in their lives
:cry "I don't believe in the God of the Bible, but [insert BS jeebotard talking point here]! And look at how many people worship the God of the Bible!" :cry

[RandomGuy]

Did you even read your own post? Most of the people being killed were terrorists or were harboring terrorists.

Meh. Nice troll attempt.

They weren't doing any such thing. The fact that you would say such an obviously, provably false and overall immoral thing, does nothing but demonstrate you don't want to be taken seriously, and/or are just trying to say such things for jollies.

Not going to bother with that, but thanks for playing.

[RandomGuy]

No one here hates the American Constitution, but in all honesty, why do you hate Western Civilization? You keep looking away from the atrocities committed in the name of islam and keep trying to shift focus to anything else hoping that we'll forget what this thread is about. Would you like to stay on subject and discuss why islam refuses to grow and adapt with the modern World?

LOL telling an atheist that he is a muslim apologist.

That's funny.

I think Western civilization with its discovery and encourangement of secularism is a really really good thing.

I do tend to lump islam and christianity in the same bloody bucket though. I don't see much difference between the two if one gets down to the fundamental tenets in their respective holy books.

That said, the only reason Christianity today tends to be less violent, is that enough people have abandoned its central teachings in favor of a more secular morality.

Islamic countries have not done so, and it is a chicken/egg conundrum. You cannot have true prosperity if you do not have a secular society, and you cannot have a secular society if you are poor and uneducated.

Muslims who have abandoned the literal morals of their holy book and have embraced a more secular sense of what is right and wrong, i.e. moderates, aren't that much different in overall worldviews from most moderate Christians.

That is what I actually believe. If you want to continue a few more strawman arguements, you will not have the excuse of ignorance.

[RandomGuy]

I've never heard that before.


Also, it's not just religious people that cling to long-held beliefs. The scientific "consensus" was that stress caused peptic ulcers until just very recently.

... and shockingly enough their minds were changed through better evidence changing the consensus.

It is a human tendency overall to resist new information, and a particular failing of modern conservatism that it does so to a much greater degree than liberals. The very notion of being "conservative" implies such.

[DarrinS]

... and shockingly enough their minds were changed through better evidence changing the consensus.

It is a human tendency overall to resist new information, and a particular failing of modern conservatism that it does so to a much greater degree than liberals. The very notion of being "conservative" implies such.

:lol

[sook]

he did it in the name of foreign policy, doesn't make the crime any less tragic or chilling but I wouldn't call this Islamic Terrorism. Too many sheep in this thread that don't think for themselves. Islam has looniest of loonies when it comes to religon but his speech on "British foreign policy etcc.." and murder doesn't differentiate it from Cartel murders which follow even more brutality against govt employees investigating them.

[Avante]

Translation: It reaffirms all of the assumptions I have already made.

Do I really need to list another dozen or so books all saying the same things about Islam? All by different authors? Then theres...Why We Left Islam....stories about a gang of x-Muslims and why they left.

Ae you saying all that is bogus?

[ChumpDumper]

Do I really need to list another dozen or so books all saying the same things about Islam? All by different authors? Then theres...Why We Left Islam....stories about a gang of x-Muslims and why they left.

Ae you saying all that is bogus?Millions of Muslims have stayed and not killed anyone.

[AaronY]

We still see that some are quite ignorant concerning matters of history, and some believe that the books they have read are the only books that have ever existed.
Lol

[CuckingFunt]

Do I really need to list another dozen or so books all saying the same things about Islam? All by different authors? Then theres...Why We Left Islam....stories about a gang of x-Muslims and why they left.

Ae you saying all that is bogus?

I'm saying that you determine accuracy based solely upon whether or not something conforms to your pre-existing assumptions and prejudices. I'm saying that you, Avante, of the general Fresno region, are not the arbiter of truthfulness in depictions and/or representations of the Muslim experience. I'm saying that this book, and the other evidence you have presented in support of your claim, is henpecked and anecdotal and, therefore, neither representative of nor applicable to the whole of Islam or the Muslim world.

[SupremeGuy]

LOL telling an atheist that he is a muslim apologist.

That's funny.

I think Western civilization with its discovery and encourangement of secularism is a really really good thing.

I do tend to lump islam and christianity in the same bloody bucket though. I don't see much difference between the two if one gets down to the fundamental tenets in their respective holy books.

That said, the only reason Christianity today tends to be less violent, is that enough people have abandoned its central teachings in favor of a more secular morality.

Islamic countries have not done so, and it is a chicken/egg conundrum. You cannot have true prosperity if you do not have a secular society, and you cannot have a secular society if you are poor and uneducated.

Muslims who have abandoned the literal morals of their holy book and have embraced a more secular sense of what is right and wrong, i.e. moderates, aren't that much different in overall worldviews from most moderate Christians.

That is what I actually believe. If you want to continue a few more strawman arguements, you will not have the excuse of ignorance.Islam has been a bloody war-thirsty religion since it's inception and it hasn't changed in hundreds of years. Nothing that has happened in the last few years has shown that their primitive and uncivilized religion can ever change. There is no excuse to your ignorance. If you choose to stick your head in the sand and pretend that all religions are as primitive as islam, then that's your choice, but the rest of us with an open mind can see it for what it is, a fucking disgrace against humanity.

[Avante]

I'm saying that you determine accuracy based solely upon whether or not something conforms to your pre-existing assumptions and prejudices. I'm saying that you, Avante, of the general Fresno region, are not the arbiter of truthfulness in depictions and/or representations of the Muslim experience. I'm saying that this book, and the other evidence you have presented in support of your claim, is henpecked and anecdotal and, therefore, neither representative of nor applicable to the whole of Islam or the Muslim world.

Hen pecked? or books I just happen to come across in yardsales/thrift shops because that's where I bought all of them? What are the odds of me finding random books on the topic and all pretty much saying the same things? So why so many books on Islam and all shining a negative light?

So you are telling me all those x-Muslims who lived that life are lying about why they left? You do know there are tons and tons and tons of that same sort of thing all over youtube, right? You do know the prioblems London is having with Islam, right? So you don't read the papers or watch the news?

I don't have to hen peck? anything it's all right there, and we all can see it are you telling me you don't? How many 9/11's, suicide bombing, beheading on youtube, stonings, Boston bombing, London street hackings, death to homosexuals does it take for you to start dealing with real life?

Below is from the Koran, there are at least 300 other passages similiar to this one.

paste

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

[ChumpDumper]

Islam has been a bloody war-thirsty religion since it's inception and it hasn't changed in hundreds of years. Nothing that has happened in the last few years has shown that their primitive and uncivilized religion can ever change. There is no excuse to your ignorance. If you choose to stick your head in the sand and pretend that all religions are as primitive as islam, then that's your choice, but the rest of us with an open mind can see it for what it is, a fucking disgrace against humanity.lol open mind

[SupremeGuy]

lol open mindlol great post, will read again

[ChumpDumper]

lol great post, will read againNot too long for you?

[CuckingFunt]

Hen pecked? or books I just happen to come across in yardsales/thrift shops because that's where I bought all of them?

So, then, you buy every book you find at yard sales and thrift stores? Or you pick the ones that seem most interesting and then buy them?


What are the odds of me finding random books on the topic and all pretty much saying the same things?

Probably higher than the odds of you stumbling upon every book ever written about Muslims while perusing thrift stores and yard sales.


So why so many books on Islam and all shining a negative light?

Because there's an audience for books that reinforce the stereotype of scary Muslims.

[Avante]

So, then, you buy every book you find at yard sales and thrift stores? Or you pick the ones that seem most interesting and then buy them?



Probably higher than the odds of you stumbling upon every book ever written about Muslims while perusing thrift stores and yard sales.



Because there's an audience for books that reinforce the stereotype of scary Muslims.

That was weak.

How about every book I've ever seen on Islam tells a negative story? You can show me one that doesn't? So you think those x-Muslims telling their story are lying? You really haven't noticed all the violence over the last 20 years coming from Islam?

I noticed you ignored my comment about youtube videos also telling it like it really is, why? Do me a favor, go Google/youtube and type in....violence and Islam....if you were to start reading/listening to everything there today we'd never see you back here again it is that overwelming. Why not cool the...Google/youtube hahaha...and actually educate yourself, it's real obvious you know little about the realities of Islam.

You really do need to learn about the realities of Islam as of right now you appear ignorant. How many people have to die in the name of Allah before it sinks in?

Explain this to me

paste

Fight against those who

(1) believe not in Allah
,(2) nor in the Last Day,
(3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger
(4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdue.

[ChumpDumper]

How about every book I've ever seen on Islam tells a negative story?Well, you're pretty ignorant, so I can believe that.

[Rogue]

guy was a veteran who served in Afghanistan and word from the street is that both niggas are Nigeria-affiliated, though they were both born in UK. niggas might be muslim extremist but there's also a possibility that they're just some ardent anti-war activists imho. there're millions of Pakis and sandniggas from other ME countries residing in UK and if it had anything to do with taliban, the criminals would've been some Pakis rather than some niggas of Nigerian descent

[Rick Santorum]

Brit's need CHL's so they could blast these pussies instead of just staring and letting the man die.

[Avante]

One of the strangest of all topics....violence and Islam. The Koran is full of violence towards non believers, we read/hear about that violence almost everyday somewhere in the world. Youtube is full of people talking about it, tons of books written about it, we see it in movies, yet there are still those who don't get it, that is amazing. How many suicide bombings/beheadings/stonings does it take?

http://www.textbookx.com/detail.php?utm_source=Froogle&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=price_comp&affiliate=froogle&action=buy&upc=9781403986184&cond=exchange&price=95.91&kw={keyword}&gclid=CImzl7nIsLcCFadxQgodFQYAjg

The below is about the book....Islam and Terrorism


Book Description

Publication Date: March 12, 2002

The Western media declares that "at its core, Islam is moderate and tolerant of others" (New York Times Magazine).

Author Mark A. Gabriel, former professor of Islamic history at Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt, disagrees. He says that terrorists are practicing Islam just as Muhammad intended. As a child, Gabriel grew up in a Muslim family in Egypt and was heavily indoctrinated. By the age of twelve he had memorized the entire Qur'an. He went on to become a top student at the most prestigious Islamic university in the world, Al-Azhar in Cairo, Egypt. As a student and professor of Islamic history, he rubbed shoulders with those who are at the forefront of propagating the tenets of Islamic terrorism. He actually took classes with Sheik Umar Abd al-Rahman, who was convicted of masterminding the 1993 World Trade Center bomb attack and is now in prison. In his book Gabriel explains: How Islam was influenced by the warlike Arabian culture of the 7th century

[ChumpDumper]

I read a book I found in a spinach field!

[lefty]

So wait, MI5 tried to recruit that dude a few months ago and he said no?

lol wtf

[TSA]

Another soldier stabbed in the neck in Paris.

[lefty]

There has to be more than that

THose soldiers know things that "they" dont want to be disclosed

1 solder in London
1 soldier in Paris
:lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

They refuse to join the 21st century so they need to be completely annihilated for the betterment of the human race.

[Rick Santorum]

They refuse to join the 21st century so they need to be completely annihilated for the betterment of the human race.
ok go do it

[DeadlyDynasty]

Give me the RC drone and i'll happily press the buttons

[Creepn]

They refuse to join the 21st century so they need to be completely annihilated for the betterment of the human race.

Armchair warriooooooooooooorrrrrrr!!!!!! Roooooooaaaaaaarrrrrrr!!!!!!!

Lol cokehead.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Armchair Black Pantheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer!!!!!!! Roooooooaaaaaaarrrrrrr!!!!!!!

Lol wigger.

[JoeTait75]

Brit's need CHL's so they could blast these pussies instead of just staring and letting the man die.

Could probably use more stringent immigration laws than anything else, tbh.

[The Reckoning]

so what's the religion most prone to violence?

[RandomGuy]

Islam has been a bloody war-thirsty religion since it's inception and it hasn't changed in hundreds of years. Nothing that has happened in the last few years has shown that their primitive and uncivilized religion can ever change. There is no excuse to your ignorance. If you choose to stick your head in the sand and pretend that all religions are as primitive as islam, then that's your choice, but the rest of us with an open mind can see it for what it is, a fucking disgrace against humanity.

LOL "open mind"

Dude, have you actually read the bible? Quite a bit of it is just as bad as some of the passages in the Koran, if not worse, if you want to talk about primitive.

There are different scales of stupidity though, and we are, in the West, just beginning to plumb the depths of islamic stupidity.

As an outsider to both, I will tell you the parallels between the arguments that muslims make to "prove" their God exists and the ones that Christians do are downright eerie.

[RandomGuy]

Hen pecked? or books I just happen to come across in yardsales/thrift shops because that's where I bought all of them? What are the odds of me finding random books on the topic and all pretty much saying the same things? So why so many books on Islam and all shining a negative light?

eyuch.

#1 Biased, non-scientific samples are practically meaningless. "Biased" in the scientific meaning. You have a very small sample of all books on Islam from your immediate geographic area, and only in English. This is the logical fallacy "biased sample" to a T.