vogel is an idiot

[rjv]

nice defensive strategy - guess he really thinks it's just another team

[Chinook]

He misplayed the last seven or eight minutes of the game. Called time-outs at the wrong time, made the wrong substitutions. He totally wasted George's effort tonight.

[nowhereman523]

I can't believe I wasted so much time watching a game only to have it end with a coach single-handedly cost his team a huge game.

[HarlemHeat37]

Vogel is one of the 3 best coaches in the NBA, tbh..top 5 at worst..

He took a team with no stars, no PG, streaky shooters and no bench and took them deep in the playoffs two years in a row..

Even the best coaches make poor decisions at times, but he doesn't have much to work with, tbh..

[hater]

he must have some nigga in him imo

[Darius McCrary]

Why was Tyler out there instead of Hibbert? There's no excuse for that, guy choked as a coach.

[BatManu20]

Worst coach in the league, hands down. Dude is a dumbass.

[100%duncan]

Vogel is one of the 3 best coaches in the NBA, tbh..top 5 at worst..

He took a team with no stars, no PG, streaky shooters and no bench and took them deep in the playoffs two years in a row..

Even the best coaches make poor decisions at times, but he doesn't have much to work with, tbh..

:lol Taking Hibbert out of the game when he's "the best rim protector in the league" as vogel said is the dumbest move of all. That cancels out every right things he did. :lol

[hater]

and :lol at him being a great coach

great coaches don't put their best defensive big on the bench in the final defensive play :lol

[BatManu20]

Michael Wilbon ‏@RealMikeWilbon (https://twitter.com/RealMikeWilbon)4m (https://twitter.com/RealMikeWilbon/status/337416236927434753)
Vogel should apologize to his team for sabotaging their chance to win...Enormous coaching mistake...not once but twice...


Don Harris ‏@DonHarris4 (https://twitter.com/DonHarris4)8m (https://twitter.com/DonHarris4/status/337415632691806208)
Some of the worst coaching I have ever seen. Roy Hibbert has to stand under the rim and be goalie. Worst thing is it happened twice.


Bernie Lootz ‏@TortiousTroll (https://twitter.com/TortiousTroll)10m (https://twitter.com/TortiousTroll/status/337415366911352832)
This stage is way too big for Frank Vogel.


Fred Ace ‏@FredAce1 (https://twitter.com/FredAce1)13m (https://twitter.com/FredAce1/status/337415341175103489)
Indiana - most badly coached ECF team I've ever seen

[Clipper Nation]

Worst coach in the league, hands down. Dude is a dumbass.

Pringles, Keith Smart, and Mike Woodson are still in the league :lol

[weebo]

Barkley defending vogel :lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

Pop is the best coach in the league and he has made plenty of terrible decisions, tbh..

:lol hater is the same guy that claimed the Heat would never win a title with Lebron as the top option, tbh..

[HarlemHeat37]

Vogel has a great system, on a team with no creators(overrated Paul George isn't a creator), horrible ball-handlers, mediocre post game and no bench, they're in the ECFs and almost beat Miami..

It sucks for him that he's going to get shit on by casual fans and media members that haven't followed the Pacers all year and don't know dick about the NBA, but I guess that's what he deserves for choking..

[hater]

Vogel has a great system

and he goes away from it with 2 seconds left and the game on the line :lmao

:lmao great coach

[Raven]

he's still young, hopefully he learns from that, the loss is all on him.

[BatManu20]

Pringles, Keith Smart, and Mike Woodson are still in the league :lol

Yea I should've given them honorable mention. But Vogel is a Grade-A moron. Not just for taking your only shot blocker out of the game in the 2 most important possessions of the game, but also for continually drawing up plays for David West in the 4th/OT when he literally couldn't make anything, not even a FT, and Paul George is getting hot. Just mind-dumbing stupidity by the HC.

[spurraider21]

:lol trying to pull a Pop
:lol saw pop yank Duncan in game 6 against GSW and wants to look like a genius
:lol vogel

[LakerHater]

http://cjzero.com/gifs/HibbertShakesHead.gif

[HarlemHeat37]

If Batmanu thinks you're a horrible coach, you're probably really good, tbh..that shitty poster is usually wrong, tbh, quit on the Spurs during the Warriors series, pussy fuck boy:lol..

[Splits]

Not only was Hibbert on the bench, there was a clean entry pass to the best player on the planet, no double with 2 seconds, no help D with everyone staying with their man. I mean, this is elementary level shit. 2 seconds? He doesn't have time to pass! And you don't deny entry or double? Dum dum dum dum dummmmmmmmmm

[RD2191]

If Batmanu thinks you're a horrible coach, you're probably really good, tbh..that shitty poster is usually wrong, tbh, quit on the Spurs during the Warriors series, pussy fuck boy:lol..

So you start a thread about people taking things to far and you proceed to call batmanu a "pussy fuck boy"? Stay classy, bitch.

[HI-FI]

Vogel must own a lot of stock options on Nike, only thing I can think of.

[hater]

So you start a thread about people taking things to far and you proceed to call batmanu a "pussy fuck boy"? Stay classy, bitch.

:lmao he's probably hittin on him tbh

:lol cocklover

[angelbelow]

Miami went small, Pacers had to match up. Either Lebron gets that layup, or Ray Allen/Bosh gets a clean look.

[Fabbs]

If George defends LeBron properly are we even talking about this?

And i don't mean stopping LeBron from scoring, i mean fronting him up as opposed to giving him a free lane to the hoop.

[Splits]

Now Vogel saying it was George's fault in his postgame but he told him to forget about it

[rjv]

Miami went small, Pacers had to match up. Either Lebron gets that layup, or Ray Allen/Bosh gets a clean look.

so in what will be a closely contested series vogel will have to continually leave his best defender on the bench in crunch time. sounds like the heat are a lock then...concede the 99 % percentage shot over the 50% one

[RD2191]

Did anyone else notice the clock started pretty late on the inbounds pass/catch?

[hater]

so in what will be a closely contested series vogel will have to continually leave his best defender on the bench in crunch time. sounds like the heat are a lock then...concede the 99 % percentage shot over the 50% one

:lol pretty much


If Miami gonna force Vogel to sit Hibbert every important possesion. Series is over :lol

[Splits]

Miami went small, Pacers had to match up. Either Lebron gets that layup, or Ray Allen/Bosh gets a clean look.

You live with a clean look from anybody, any jumper from anyone. You can't live with a pre-game drill layup to the best player on the planet, uncontested, no double. I mean, even the Lakers aren't that dumb.

[Darius McCrary]

Not only do you leave hibbert in, you double Lebron and let someone else beat you.

Anyone but Lebron. Just like the anyone but Kobe rule. Sure the heat prob get a clutch shot from Allen or Bosh, but better them than the best player on the planet.

[LakerHater]

Frank Vogel: "I would say we would probably have [Hibbert] in next time."

[nowhereman523]

Shades of Avery benching Damp against GSW.

Straight f'n retarded.

[Chinook]

Miami went small, Pacers had to match up. Either Lebron gets that layup, or Ray Allen/Bosh gets a clean look.

Seems like an easy choice to me. That same play with Hibbert instead of West ends in Bosh taking a rushed corner three. Much better than an uncontested layup by James.

[LkrFan]

Co-sign. Stern got lucky tonight.

[Rogue]

they've already overachieved by making the ECF, and it's another solid evidence that shows the overall incompetitiveness of the eastern conference. pacers are the defensive/eastern counterpart of the warriors and both coaches (vogel and mark jackson) deserve credits for their teams' successes imho

[apalisoc_9]

Seems like an easy choice to me. That same play with Hibbert instead of West ends in Bosh taking a rushed corner three. Much better than an uncontested layup by James.

Although i disagree with his coaching decision, it is not exactly as bad as some people make it out to be. Paul Overrated George made two terrible defensive decision along with George hill that opened up the layup.

Majority of clutch situations end up as jumpshoots and i think vogel was taking that into consideration. It`s not his fault hill and george fcked up IMHO.

[mercos]

Vogel made a lot of bonehead plays down the stretch. That late timeout was ill advised. Taking Hibbert out not once but twice at critical points was insane. Young coach better learn fast or he'll be fishing three games from now.

[Chinook]

Although i disagree with his coaching decision, it is not exactly as bad as some people make it out to be. Paul Overrated George made two terrible defensive decision along with George hill that opened up the layup.

Majority of clutch situations end up as jumpshoots and i think vogel was taking that into consideration. It`s not his fault hill and george fcked up IMHO.

You have to help your perimeter defenders. With such little time left on the clock, passing to Bosh seemed unlikely. Hibbert could have made a big difference there. If Bosh hits a three over a recovering Hibbert, you accept it. If James and Wade blow by their men for uncontested layups while West watches, you take a hard look at the mirror.

[Capt Bringdown]

If LJ gets close to rim with Hibbert standing there, you can be certain that there would have be a foul called. You think they're gonna let Hibbert block or alter LJ's shot?

Indy's ball pressure was non-existent. Easy catch in front of an open lane for LJ. I can't recall ever seeing an NBA playoff game decided by a pretty-much unguarded layup.

[apalisoc_9]

You have to help your perimeter defenders. With such little time left on the clock, passing to Bosh seemed unlikely. Hibbert could have made a big difference there. If Bosh hits a three over a recovering Hibbert, you accept it. If James and Wade blow by their men for uncontested layups while West watches, you take a hard look at the mirror.

On a clutch situation, not matching up when an opponent goes small means you get to give them more choices offensively. If you go small, you only need to worry about them getting an easy layup. If you go with hibbert, then can end up with a clean screen then open jump shoot, a blow by then pass, and 12-15 jump shoot or a floater..

I disagree with the decision simply because i think you only get a player or two who`se get enough control and poise to know the latter, but i dont think it was really that bad of a decision.

[Jacob1983]

They should have fouled Lecrab on that last play. Make him earn those points. Don't just let him score that basket.

[Chinook]

If LJ gets close to rim with Hibbert standing there, you can be certain that there would have be a foul called. You think they're gonna let Hibbert block or alter LJ's shot?

If anything Vogel was thinking any merit, James would have passed out to Bosh, therefore preventing a foul on Hibbert or more importantly the layup. And I'd rather James have to take two free throws with a second left on the clock than him having an uncontested layup anyway.

[Chinook]

On a clutch situation, not matching up when an opponent goes small means you get to give them more choices offensively. If you go small, you only need to worry about them getting an easy layup. If you go with hibbert, then can end up with a clean screen then open jump shoot, a blow by then pass, and 12-15 jump shoot or a floater..

I disagree with the decision simply because i think you only get a player or two who`se get enough control and poise to know the latter, but i dont think it was really that bad of a decision.

I don't think we're arguing the same thing here. I'm not talking about having two bigs in versus playing small; I'm talking about having Hibbert in to guard Bosh rather than West. It's not like West is a great mobile defender or anything. Hibbert spent much of the game on Bosh, so I wouldn't call that a bad match-up for Indiana.

Forcing Miami to make a choice with so little time on the clock is a good thing in my mind. It's a pretty easy assignment on defense: Switch everything and have Hibbert help on a drive. By the time you get a PnR done for Miami, time's up.

[Capt Bringdown]

If anything Vogel was thinking any merit, James would have passed out to Bosh, therefore preventing a foul on Hibbert or more importantly the layup. And I'd rather James have to take two free throws with a second left on the clock than him having an uncontested layup anyway.

You're right, no easy layups in the playoffs ffs.
I'll bet LJ couldn't believe how open the lane was...he was probably planning to do a Wade-esque dive/flop.
The trailer who went for the swipe was a full 2 steps behind him.
Pathetic.

[Jacob1983]

Lecrab should have gotten a technical after that one made shot in overtime. According to Lord Stern, you're not suppose to do that. It's showing up the refs. Pathetic. He basically whined and did a gesture to indicate that he was fouled and was jumping up and down. That's excessive and unprofessional.

[DAF86]

I didn't care much about not having Hibbert in there but by the way every Indiana player defended that last possesion it was obvious that he told his guys to play them very tight thinking Miami would force a jumpshot not realizing that 2 seconds was enough time to get to the basket if you gave them the chance and they did.

[DAF86]

Lecrab should have gotten a technical after that one made shot in overtime. According to Lord Stern, you're not suppose to do that. It's showing up the refs. Pathetic. He basically whined and did a gesture to indicate that he was fouled and was jumping up and down. That's excessive and unprofessional.

You are so mad at life right now.

[Jacob1983]

Not mad. I am not even surprised. I assume that Stern, somehow, will do whatever it takes to get Superfriends the championship. I am just glad that the Bulls won a game against the Heat because I really didn't want to hear any 16-0 talk from douchebag Heat fans. I mean seriously, how many of these Superfriends bandwagon fans were fans 5 years ago when DWhistle and the Heat didn't even make the playoffs?

[DAF86]

Not mad. I am not even surprised. I assume that Stern, somehow, will do whatever it takes to get Superfriends the championship. I am just glad that the Bulls won a game against the Heat because I really didn't want to hear any 16-0 talk from douchebag Heat fans. I mean seriously, how many of these Superfriends bandwagon fans were fans 5 years ago when DWhistle and the Heat didn't even make the playoffs?

Did you see the end of the game? Lebron not getting the call on an obvious and-1, Wade getting called in a three point shooting foul with 2 seconds remaining. :lol

[Jacob1983]

Those are makeup calls for the last 2 years. Thank you. And yes, I was extremely shocked that Stern let his zebras call that foul on DWhistle. That shit never happens to Superfriends but I have no sympathy for the Heat or DWhistle. He got star treatment in the 2006 Finals that was higher than the superstar treatment that Jordan ever got. So yeah, I have no sympathy for DWhistle on crying about the refs.

[DAF86]

Those are makeup calls for the last 2 years. Thank you. And yes, I was extremely shocked that Stern let his zebras call that foul on DWhistle. That shit never happens to Superfriends but I have no sympathy for the Heat or DWhistle. He got star treatment in the 2006 Finals that was higher than the superstar treatment that Jordan ever got. So yeah, I have no sympathy for DWhistle on crying about the refs.

So Stern got them last year's championship, now they're on their own?

[Arcadian]

I can't believe Vogel was more afraid of Bosh shooting a jumper than James shooting a layup.

Protect the basket, and focus your defense on the other team's best player, you fool.

[Jacob1983]

No silly goose. Stern is still helping them. The Pacers and other teams that want to be like the 2011 Mavericks have to do something that is very hard. That is keep playing the game. When Stern loves a team, you cannot stand and around and cry like a pussy ie the Kings in the 2002 WCF. You have to keep playing and play to the best of your abilities. You cannot expect to get anything from the refs or Stern. If you simply play better and keep making your shots, you will beat Superfriends. That's how the Mavs did it. Go back and watch game 6 of the 2011 Finals and you will see how bad Stern tried to give that game to the Heat but the Mavs said no. Every time that the Heat started to make a run in the 4th quarter, the Mavs had an answer and did not let up.

[Rogue]

Not mad. I am not even surprised. I assume that Stern, somehow, will do whatever it takes to get Superfriends the championship. I am just glad that the Bulls won a game against the Heat because I really didn't want to hear any 16-0 talk from douchebag Heat fans. I mean seriously, how many of these Superfriends bandwagon fans were fans 5 years ago when DWhistle and the Heat didn't even make the playoffs?
true. miami just built a dynasty upon no ground. superfriends better keep winning because if their streak snaps at the hands of spurs or OKC this year or next, the Heat dynasty would melt down real soon.

[LakerHater]

http://nba.si.com/2013/05/23/lebron-james-game-winner-buzzer-beater-overtime-miami-heat-indiana-pacers-game-1/

[Rogue]

wade is already on the wrong side of 30 and is living with serious injuries in both legs. bron is great but you cant expect him to carry the ship forward when/if his teammates turn shit. chalmers & cole are the only role players on this team that are still on the green side of 30, and if the heat go 1-2 years w/o a championship (with their current role players gone retired), they would struggle to get any quality role players from FA market because niggas like Ray Allen and birdman would earn mid-level salaries elsewhere rather than ride lebron's coattail while earning 2m something a year. lebron can't carry a shitty team to glory imho

[DAF86]

No silly goose. Stern is still helping them. The Pacers and other teams that want to be like the 2011 Mavericks have to do something that is very hard. That is keep playing the game. When Stern loves a team, you cannot stand and around and cry like a pussy ie the Kings in the 2002 WCF. You have to keep playing and play to the best of your abilities. You cannot expect to get anything from the refs or Stern. If you simply play better and keep making your shots, you will beat Superfriends. That's how the Mavs did it. Go back and watch game 6 of the 2011 Finals and you will see how bad Stern tried to give that game to the Heat but the Mavs said no. Every time that the Heat started to make a run in the 4th quarter, the Mavs had an answer and did not let up.

So Stern is still helping them but just not in this game, right?

[Jacob1983]

Yes. And let's be honest the NBA is extremely watered down right now. The Eastern Conference is probably the worst it has been in 10 years.

[hater]

Yes. And let's be honest the NBA is extremely watered down right now. The Eastern Conference is probably the worst it has been in 10 years.

unfortunately we've been saying this every year for the last 10 years


"I would say we'll probably have him in next time," Vogel said.

:lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

and :lol at him being a great coach

great coaches don't put their best defensive big on the bench in the final defensive play :lol

Hm..

[InK]

I think there might be something worth discussing here...

[Legacy]

:lmao Pop taking a page out of young pup Vogel's playbook
:lmao TOSB's never getting enough rest
:lmao OCD minute micro-manager
:lmao "This was your championship..."
:lmao scary-ass Freddy Krueger look alike
:lmao Coach Poopabitch
:lmao :pop:

[Legacy]

:lol trying to pull a Pop
:lol saw pop yank Duncan in game 6 against GSW and wants to look like a genius
:lol vogel

:lol trying to pull a Vogel
:lol saw Vogel yank Hibbert in game 1 against Miami and wants to look like a dumbass
:lol Pop

[resistanze]

Hm..

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7425384192/h291B11F5

[spurraider21]

:lol trying to pull a Vogel
:lol saw Vogel yank Hibbert in game 1 against Miami and wants to look like a dumbass
:lol Pop
:lol guilty

[Ashy Larry]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7425384192/h291B11F5

lol @ 30 and 17 on the bench when it mattered most