All NBA 1st team

[jeebus]

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[Robz4000]

:wow Holy shit Timmy actually made it...

:lmao Kobe

[jeebus]

2nd team: Melo, Blake, M. Gasol, Parker, Chimpbrook

3rd: David Lee, P George, Dwight C:lmaoward, D Wade and Harden.

[ElNono]

wtf Kobe crofl

Wade, Harden, douchebag Curry all better than him this season, tbh...

[Robz4000]

The flying fuck? Howard deserves third team less than Kobe first team. Noah or Zbo are far more deserving.

[Dex]

The flying fuck? Howard deserves third team less than Kobe first team. Noah or Zbo are far more deserving.

Howard really came on after the All-Star Break. He's the reason the Lakers were able to get their ticket to sweepsville.

But agreed, Randolph or Noah would've been a better candidate.

[td4mvp2k]

Lmao lee...

[JamStone]

I know people want to hate Kobe just to hate Kobe, but he actually does deserve 1st team.

Despite his team struggling most of the season, he still had a really great individual season. Getting all NBA defensive honors would be a joke. But getting 1st team all NBA makes sense.

[Dex]

Definitely. His shooting percentage suffered this year, but you can't argue with his stats. Especially at 34.

PPG APG RPG PER
27.3 6.0 5.6 23.10

Hate the man, but respect his game.

EDIT: Actually, after looking closer...his shooting percentage was above his career average. I guess once a chucker, always a chucker.

[Spur-Addict]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7GLLCFgJndU/THwJkQgebHI/AAAAAAAAABY/t-ad9c5vAyk/s320/byah.png

[Phillip]

kobe definitely deserved it

[Robz4000]

I know people want to hate Kobe just to hate Kobe, but he actually does deserve 1st team.

Despite his team struggling most of the season, he still had a really great individual season. Getting all NBA defensive honors would be a joke. But getting 1st team all NBA makes sense.

He had a great season, but there are others more worthy for his spot (Harden, Curry, Westchimp, Parker).

[Jeff Van Gundy]

Where's boris diaw on that list? :cry

[td4mvp2k]

kobe definitely deserved it

:lol dirk

[Phillip]

:lol dirk

:lol no chance to do what Dirk did and beat the Heat

[td4mvp2k]

:lol no chance to do what Dirk did and beat the Heat

:lol where u been dis yr

[Phillip]

:lol where u been dis yr
:lol where u been since 2007

[jeebus]

:lol where u been since 2007
son why you arguing with someone who types like a 16 year old?

[Phillip]

son why you arguing with someone who types like a 16 year old?

boredom

[td4mvp2k]

:lol where u been since 2007

:lol vaca from 4

[D-Wade]

Curry and Noah should've been in there.

LOL Dwight.

[JamStone]

He had a great season, but there are others more worthy for his spot (Harden, Curry, Westchimp, Parker).

To me, Parker is the only one you mentioned that has an argument. But it's not laughable that Kobe got 1st team, not even remotely. He deserved it.

If you think Harden, Curry, or Westbrook deserved it more than Kobe, I don't know what to tell you. I simply disagree with that opinion.

[Phillip]

:lol vaca from 4

more like the big 3 turned tosb tbh

[King Nupe]

Definitely. His shooting percentage suffered this year, but you can't argue with his stats. Especially at 34.PPG APG RPG PER27.3 6.0 5.6 23.10Hate the man, but respect his game.EDIT: Actually, after looking closer...his shooting percentage was above his career average. I guess once a chucker, always a chucker.Chuckers and centers are the most successful players in NBA history

[jeebus]

Curry and Noah should've been in there.

LOL Dwight.
Lopez or Noah could've easily been on the 3rd team if it not for the sportswriters around the country with Laker jizz on their chins

[td4mvp2k]

more like the big 3 turned tosb tbh
2 who were all nba dis yr?

[oh crap]

curry gets snubbed again..

[urunobili]

Lee Bryant Coward :lmao

[Dex]

curry gets snubbed again..

At least he won the 3-pt contest over the Red Mamba. :lol

[Robz4000]

To me, Parker is the only one you mentioned that has an argument. But it's not laughable that Kobe got 1st team, not even remotely. He deserved it.

If you think Harden, Curry, or Westbrook deserved it more than Kobe, I don't know what to tell you. I simply disagree with that opinion.

How so? All three were the number one options on their respective teams and put up great numbers. It helps that all three of their teams had better records, and in Curry and Harden's cases, less talent. Not saying any of the three are solid first teamers, but they deserve the nod over Kobe.

[td4mvp2k]

boredom

didnt know u were dat phaggots son...

[Trainwreck2100]

At least he won the 3-pt contest over the Red Mamba. :lol

that was kyrie irving

[JamStone]

How so? All three were the number one options on their respective teams and put up great numbers. It helps that all three of their teams had better records, and in Curry and Harden's cases, less talent. Not saying any of the three are solid first teamers, but they deserve the nod over Kobe.

Kobe was a number one option on his team as well and his overall numbers were (arguably) better than all three. Harden's team didn't finish with a better record. The Rockets finished with the same record as the Lakers, and if you remember Lakers were the 7th seed and the Rockets were the 8th seed. And Curry's Warriors finished 2 games ahead of the Lakers. The only guy you mentioned whose team finished with a much better record was Westbrook's team, who oh by the way had an MVP candidate not named Westbrook also on the team. If you want to argue Curry and Harden had less talent, than you also have to acknowledge that Kobe's superior talent was beset with injuries all season long. That somewhat offsets the difference. And again at the end of the season, they all had similar records other than Westbrook's team.

Kobe averaged more points, rebounds, and a higher FG% than all three. Yes, a higher FG% than all three. As much as Kobe is viewed as an inefficient chucker, I think it speaks volumes that he finished with a higher FG%, especially since he did not shoot the ball well from three point range this season.

[Rummpd]

Duncan was a better defender than Gasol THE PSUEDO-DPOY and better offensively and Haters going to hate but still by far the best big to have on the floor when it matters.

[JamStone]

No one in this thread argued with Duncan being on the 1st team. Why are your panties all crumpled when no one even talked about Duncan?

[Mugen]

No real issues with any of the teams tbh. Maybe Harden over Westbrook, bout it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Curry didn't deserve all-NBA, tbh..the Warriors were a .500 team in 2013, Curry's hype was elevated after round 1 against a mediocre Nuggets defense, tbh..

There's no argument for Curry ahead of Vino, Parker, Paul, Westbrook, Wade and Harden..

My all-NBA teams:

G Chris Paul
G James Harden
F Lebron James
F Kevin Durant
C Tim Duncan

G Russell Westbrook
G Vino Bryant
F Carmelo Anthony
F Blake Griffin
C Marc Gasol

G Dwyane Wade
G Tony Parker
F Paul George
F David Lee
C Chris Bosh


- Harden's RAPM numbers are elite, only trailing Lebron in players that played more than 4500 possessions this season..he took a team full of average players to the playoffs when most people did not expect them to even sniff the playoffs, tbh..

- I have Parker and Wade on the 3rd team because both guys played less than 70 games..the difference between the 6 guards is negligible, so a significant disparity in games played is a difference maker..

- The options for forward on the 3rd team are scarce, tbh..Paul George was an easy pick, but David Lee wasn't..there aren't really any options to replace him, though..

- Howard on 3rd team makes a lot of sense, tbh..the Lakers were depleted all year, Kobe and Howard carried them throughout the 2nd half of the season..

Howard's defensive numbers were unbelievable during the 2nd half of the year, especially in comparison to his supporting cast..the Lakers defensive made notable improvements in the 2nd half, yet you can easily make the argument that Howard's defensive supporting cast was the worst in the NBA and it wasn't even close, tbh..

[Robz4000]

Kobe was a number one option on his team as well and his overall numbers were (arguably) better than all three. Harden's team didn't finish with a better record. The Rockets finished with the same record as the Lakers, and if you remember Lakers were the 7th seed and the Rockets were the 8th seed. And Curry's Warriors finished 2 games ahead of the Lakers. The only guy you mentioned whose team finished with a much better record was Westbrook's team, who oh by the way had an MVP candidate not named Westbrook also on the team. If you want to argue Curry and Harden had less talent, than you also have to acknowledge that Kobe's superior talent was beset with injuries all season long. That somewhat offsets the difference. And again at the end of the season, they all had similar records other than Westbrook's team.

Kobe averaged more points, rebounds, and a higher FG% than all three. Yes, a higher FG% than all three. As much as Kobe is viewed as an inefficient chucker, I think it speaks volumes that he finished with a higher FG%, especially since he did not shoot the ball well from three point range this season.

:lol that comment about Westbrick was more a shot at Durant than anything. Forgot about the Rockets finishing 8th, but tbh most of the season they were hanging around the 6th seed while the Lakers weren't even seeded. The whole injury excuse is lame considering he still had two other HOF players on the court with him nearly at all times. Shocked that Kobe had a higher FG%, but I'll take your word for it.

[DMC]

Why even have a third team? Why not have a 4th team and 5th team? Hey, I made 16th team All NBA -Blair

[spurraider21]

Kobe has played alongside a fellow All-NBA player in each of his championship runs. Shaq, of course, was first team in their 3-peat, and Pau cracked the 3rd team in 2009 and 2010.

On the contrary, Tim has NEVER had a teammate make the All-NBA team on his championship runs. Robinson didn't even make the 3rd team in 99

[JamStone]

Kobe: 38.6 MPG, 27.3 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 6.0 APG, .463 FG%, .324 3P%, .839 FT%
Harden: 38.3 MPG, 25.9 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 5.8 APG, .438 FG%, .368 3P%, .851 FT%
Westbrook: 34.9 MPG, 23.2 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 7.4 APG, .438 FG%, .323 3P%, .800 FT%
Curry: 38.2 MPG, 22.9 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 6.9 APG, .451 FG%, .453 3P%, .900 FT%

[HI-FI]

Kobe has played alongside a fellow All-NBA player in each of his championship runs. Shaq, of course, was first team in their 3-peat, and Pau cracked the 3rd team in 2009 and 2010.

On the contrary, Tim has NEVER had a teammate make the All-NBA team on his championship runs. Robinson didn't even make the 3rd team in 99
interesting. just another inconvenient truth bomb for fans of Achilles.

[JamStone]

But Spurs fans go kicking and screaming about how both Ginobili and Parker are future Hall of Famers.

SMH @ using the all NBA teams to discredit David Robinson, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili only to prop up Duncan more than he already is as the accepted best PF in the history of the game, and then in other conversations yelling about how both Ginobili and Paker are HOFers.

[Dex]

that was kyrie irving

Oh....yeah.

Well, um......nothing to see here.

[Juggity]

Can we get a BRHornet45 take on this?

[hater]

agree Kobe did deserve 1st team. LOL at the haters

plus it's his last chance, his career is over :lol

maybe, just maybe Parker or Westbrook could have gone in his place. but this was more as a tribute to the fallen one. good way to end your career imo

[ElNono]

I know people want to hate Kobe just to hate Kobe, but he actually does deserve 1st team.

Despite his team struggling most of the season, he still had a really great individual season. Getting all NBA defensive honors would be a joke. But getting 1st team all NBA makes sense.

Based on what? On stats alone, Coward posted better stats than TD, but watching the games you can see he was actually detrimental to his team. How's that different from Kirby?

This isn't the NBA All-Volume Shooters 1st team...

[Mel_13]

Kobe has played alongside a fellow All-NBA player in each of his championship runs. Shaq, of course, was first team in their 3-peat, and Pau cracked the 3rd team in 2009 and 2010.

On the contrary, Tim has NEVER had a teammate make the All-NBA team on his championship runs. Robinson didn't even make the 3rd team in 99

There have also been 5 seasons (1998, 2000, 2001, 2008, and 2009) where Tim did have an All-NBA teammate and the team exited the playoffs before the NBA Finals.

[Lincoln]

didnt know u were dat phaggots son...

Lol cowboys

[HarlemHeat37]

Just using simple defensive rating as an argument, since it's not worth elaborating any further, tbh..

The Lakers defensive rating was 106.6, which is below average, 20th in the NBA..looking at their roster in comparison to their team rating:

Howard- 100(a colossal 6 points better than their overall team D)
Earl Clark- 105(better than their team D)
Meta- 106(same)
Gasol- 106(same)
Kobe- 107(worse than their team D)
Jamison- 108(worse)
Meeks- 109(well worse)
Blake- 109(well worse)
Nash- 111(embarrassingly worse)

Howard's defensive rating was the equivalent of the #2 ranked defense in the NBA..

There are much better statistics to validate the argument, tbh, they all display a similar differential..

Kobe was the Lakers best player this season, by far their most consistent, but Howard was their most important player during the 2nd half of the season when they made their run to the playoffs..

[AaronY]

Kobe: 38.6 MPG, 27.3 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 6.0 APG, .463 FG%, .324 3P%, .839 FT%
Harden: 38.3 MPG, 25.9 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 5.8 APG, .438 FG%, .368 3P%, .851 FT%
Westbrook: 34.9 MPG, 23.2 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 7.4 APG, .438 FG%, .323 3P%, .800 FT%
Curry: 38.2 MPG, 22.9 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 6.9 APG, .451 FG%, .453 3P%, .900 FT%
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/55877/an-open-letter-to-kobe-bryant-about-his-defense
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2013/1/11/3864814/kobe-bryant-is-ruining-kobe-bryants-historic-season
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2013/3/26/4149732/kobe-bryants-defensive-hypocrisy-knows-no-bounds

Parker and Especially Westbrook deserved to mske it over Kobe, Hardens D was just about as bad as Kobe's..

[td4mvp2k]

Lol cowboys

:lol rg3s dad

[Brunodf]

:wowThe best big made the 1st team.

[Lincoln]

:lol rg3s dad

Dropping a wet shit in cowboys stadium and then sending Dat ass home in week 17


:lol focusing so much on the griffin keeper on the read option that Alfred got 200 yards and 3 TDs :lmao

[td4mvp2k]

Dropping a wet shit in cowboys stadium and then sending Dat ass home in week 17


:lol focusing so much on the griffin keeper on the read option that Alfred got 200 yards and 3 TDs :lmao

:lol seahawks

[Obstructed_View]

Despite his team struggling most of the season, he still had a really great individual season.

Too bad basketball isn't an individual sport. Someone should tell Kobe.

[Obstructed_View]

:wowThe best big made the 1st team.

Dwight Howard made the 1st team??

[hater]

:lmao everyone shittin on Kobe's nomination and avoiding 1 assist 5 rebound Fatmelo Anthony's :lmao

:lol haters

[Lincoln]

:lol seahawks

:lol living through other teams cause yours sucks so much cock

:lol pussy

[TDMVPDPOY]

kobe first team? watta fkn joke....

[JamStone]

Too bad basketball isn't an individual sport. Someone should tell Kobe.

Not sure what your point is.

All NBA honors are individual awards, otherwise the first team all NBA should be comprised of all Miami and OKC players.

[TDMVPDPOY]

kobe has no business makn first team this year, if you going to award this clown, you might as well put 3 refs on the team since they are the clowns who got the lakers into the playoffs during the last month of the RS

this clown puts up meaningless stats like monte ellis....

[LkrFan]

But Spurs fans go kicking and screaming about how both Ginobili and Parker are future Hall of Famers.

SMH @ using the all NBA teams to discredit David Robinson, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili only to prop up Duncan more than he already is as the accepted best PF in the history of the game, and then in other conversations yelling about how both Ginobili and Paker are HOFers.
Truth bombs. :tu

[LkrFan]

Harden should have been 2nd team over Wade tbh.

[td4mvp2k]

:lol living through other teams cause yours sucks so much cocksucks? boys had a winin yr u DA... :lol

rg3 n u r sum p's

[Clipper Nation]

Kirby getting handed another lifetime achievement award on name alone, just like his joke of an MVP....

[Jeff Van Gundy]

:lol at the former cowboy fan bandwagonning the redskins cause of cornbread rg3. And he has the nerve to talk shit about the cowboys, how pathetic.

[td4mvp2k]

:lol at the former cowboy fan bandwagonning the redskins cause of cornbread rg3. And he has the nerve to talk shit about the cowboys, how pathetic.

:lol a skins fan from dallas? wtf... wat a b*tch!

[Jeff Van Gundy]

:lol a skins fan from dallas? wtf... wat a b*tch!

Idk where he lives, but he was a former cowboy fan. :lol bandwagoner at its finest

[apalisoc_9]

Not sure what your point is.

All NBA honors are individual awards, otherwise the first team all NBA should be comprised of all Miami and OKC players.

This is a terrible way to put it.

A player, an individual, a star needs to play around a system that would benefit the team overall. It's this kind of mentality that creates the Jr smiths's the Kobe bryants of the league. Kobe bryant stat wise is a league ahead of a lot of player but has way to much of an ego. He at times is detrimental. Part of an Individual is his ability to POSITIVELY impact a team. Kobe is not even close, and by not even close, He's atrocious compared to Parker.

That said, anyone who says curry>kobe is a dumbass. Kobe is second team at best.

[Kidd K]

Wow, I'm very surprised Timmy got All NBA 1st team. I was hoping for 2nd Team but prepared for him being shafted to 3rd team. . .but he actually got the 1st T eam placement. Pleasantly surprised at that.

Timmy Deserved All NBA 1st Team defense more than All NBA 1st team imo. I thought that was a joke, but this sort of makes up for it. LeBron and Durant were obvious picks too for 1st team, and I can understand Kobe I guess. . .but I think Parker deserved that PG spot, not Chris Paul. No biggie though, 2nd team is still an honor for TP.

[JamStone]

Kobe can't win for losing. He chucks up a lot of shots and his team loses, then he's a selfish player who doesn't make his teammates better. He shares the ball and racks a bunch of assists and they lose, he's old and washed up and can't take over a game anymore. No matter what happens, as long as the Lakers are losing, Kobe critics will twist it so that the blame falls squared on Kobe, right or wrong. Yes, the Lakers struggled this year and against a high degree of scrutiny because of what the expectations were with their acquisitions of Howard and Nash. But the fact remains that Kobe was still playing his tail off and still maintaining an elite level of play, particularly at his age, despite what his teammates were or weren't doing to help him. It's ridiculous to say he put up meaningless stats. Often times, he was the only one on his team actually giving a shit and putting in the appropriate level of effort to try to win games. Can he be a detriment at times when he feels he has to take over and shoot all the time? Absolutely. At times. But tell me the Lakers would have done better without Kobe and I know you're just full of it trying to discredit the guy out of hate or spite.

If basketball is a team sport, then winning and losing ultimately is a team accomplishment or failure and cannot be put on the shoulders of one player even if they are the franchise guy. When the Spurs win, it's not just Tim Duncan. It's not just Tony Parker. It's not just Ginobili. If they lose, vice versa.

Kobe deserved 1st team honors. Did Parker deserve it? Yeah, I'd say he deserved it too. But it's no travesty that Kobe got it over him. And it wasn't a lifetime achievement award. He earned it this year. Unlike the countless defensive honors he bogusly took, his all NBA first team selections are legit, this season included.

[iilluzioN]

i hate kobe but you gotta give him props, nigga is a true balla

[apalisoc_9]

Kobe can't win for losing. He chucks up a lot of shots and his team loses, then he's a selfish player who doesn't make his teammates better. He shares the ball and racks a bunch of assists and they lose, he's old and washed up and can't take over a game anymore. No matter what happens, as long as the Lakers are losing, Kobe critics will twist it so that the blame falls squared on Kobe, right or wrong. Yes, the Lakers struggled this year and against a high degree of scrutiny because of what the expectations were with their acquisitions of Howard and Nash. But the fact remains that Kobe was still playing his tail off and still maintaining an elite level of play, particularly at his age, despite what his teammates were or weren't doing to help him. It's ridiculous to say he put up meaningless stats. Often times, he was the only one on his team actually giving a shit and putting in the appropriate level of effort to try to win games. Can he be a detriment at times when he feels he has to take over and shoot all the time? Absolutely. At times. But tell me the Lakers would have done better without Kobe and I know you're just full of it trying to discredit the guy out of hate or spite.

If basketball is a team sport, then winning and losing ultimately is a team accomplishment or failure and cannot be put on the shoulders of one player even if they are the franchise guy. When the Spurs win, it's not just Tim Duncan. It's not just Tony Parker. It's not just Ginobili. If they lose, vice versa.

Kobe deserved 1st team honors. Did Parker deserve it? Yeah, I'd say he deserved it too. But it's no travesty that Kobe got it over him. And it wasn't a lifetime achievement award. He earned it this year. Unlike the countless defensive honors he bogusly took, his all NBA first team selections are legit, this season included.

I'm not hating on Kobe, unlike robdiza, I'm not going to say curry is better than kobe. That said, he never found the perfect balance. too much ego to play under a new system. I'm not doubting kobe's desire to win, but his attitude is detrimental to the team. If you played any decent basketball in your life, an egotistical captain can kill you desire to play good basketball.

that's kobe for you.

That said, I have him second team. Parker is just way too obvious of a choice to leave out.

[apalisoc_9]

Kobe can't win for losing. He chucks up a lot of shots and his team loses, then he's a selfish player who doesn't make his teammates better. He shares the ball and racks a bunch of assists and they lose, he's old and washed up and can't take over a game anymore. No matter what happens, as long as the Lakers are losing, Kobe critics will twist it so that the blame falls squared on Kobe, right or wrong. Yes, the Lakers struggled this year and against a high degree of scrutiny because of what the expectations were with their acquisitions of Howard and Nash. But the fact remains that Kobe was still playing his tail off and still maintaining an elite level of play, particularly at his age, despite what his teammates were or weren't doing to help him. It's ridiculous to say he put up meaningless stats. Often times, he was the only one on his team actually giving a shit and putting in the appropriate level of effort to try to win games. Can he be a detriment at times when he feels he has to take over and shoot all the time? Absolutely. At times. But tell me the Lakers would have done better without Kobe and I know you're just full of it trying to discredit the guy out of hate or spite.

If basketball is a team sport, then winning and losing ultimately is a team accomplishment or failure and cannot be put on the shoulders of one player even if they are the franchise guy. When the Spurs win, it's not just Tim Duncan. It's not just Tony Parker. It's not just Ginobili. If they lose, vice versa.

Kobe deserved 1st team honors. Did Parker deserve it? Yeah, I'd say he deserved it too. But it's no travesty that Kobe got it over him. And it wasn't a lifetime achievement award. He earned it this year. Unlike the countless defensive honors he bogusly took, his all NBA first team selections are legit, this season included.

I'm not hating on Kobe, unlike robdiza, I'm not going to say curry is better than kobe. That said, he never found the perfect balance. too much ego to play under a new system. I'm not doubting kobe's desire to win, but his attitude is detrimental to the team. If you played any decent basketball in your life, an egotistical captain can kill you desire to play good basketball.

that's kobe for you.

That said, I have him second team. Parker is just way too obvious of a choice to leave out.

[Arcadian]

:toast Timmy

[Mel_13]

Kobe can't win for losing. He chucks up a lot of shots and his team loses, then he's a selfish player who doesn't make his teammates better. He shares the ball and racks a bunch of assists and they lose, he's old and washed up and can't take over a game anymore. No matter what happens, as long as the Lakers are losing, Kobe critics will twist it so that the blame falls squared on Kobe, right or wrong. Yes, the Lakers struggled this year and against a high degree of scrutiny because of what the expectations were with their acquisitions of Howard and Nash. But the fact remains that Kobe was still playing his tail off and still maintaining an elite level of play, particularly at his age, despite what his teammates were or weren't doing to help him. It's ridiculous to say he put up meaningless stats. Often times, he was the only one on his team actually giving a shit and putting in the appropriate level of effort to try to win games. Can he be a detriment at times when he feels he has to take over and shoot all the time? Absolutely. At times. But tell me the Lakers would have done better without Kobe and I know you're just full of it trying to discredit the guy out of hate or spite.

If basketball is a team sport, then winning and losing ultimately is a team accomplishment or failure and cannot be put on the shoulders of one player even if they are the franchise guy. When the Spurs win, it's not just Tim Duncan. It's not just Tony Parker. It's not just Ginobili. If they lose, vice versa.

Kobe deserved 1st team honors. Did Parker deserve it? Yeah, I'd say he deserved it too. But it's no travesty that Kobe got it over him. And it wasn't a lifetime achievement award. He earned it this year. Unlike the countless defensive honors he bogusly took, his all NBA first team selections are legit, this season included.


I won't take issue with any of the points you make here, but you have to realize that the Kobe critics are so eager to blame him for team failures precisely because his supporters, and his PR machine, are so eager to give him all the credit for team successes.

[DeadlyDynasty]

As expected, spurfan can't leave well enough alone

[ElNono]

I won't take issue with any of the points you make here, but you have to realize that the Kobe critics are so eager to blame him for team failures precisely because his supporters, and his PR machine, are so eager to give him all the credit for team successes.

Pretty much. Without Gasol posting crazy good numbers to close the season, they don't even make the playoffs. Does he make this All NBA 1st team in that case?

I like Jammie, but he also glossed over one other important factor, which HH subtly brought up in another post in this thread: Kobe was largely to blame for LA defensive struggles, which was the number one reason his team struggled overall.

You could make the argument that his offense warranted a place in the 2nd or 3rd team... and I would probably be ok with that.

[Phillip]

Part of an Individual is his ability to POSITIVELY impact a team. Kobe is not even close, and by not even close, He's atrocious compared to Parker.

Obviously Kobe must be pretty good at leading teams, considering he has 5 rings.

[Phillip]

Kobe can't win for losing. He chucks up a lot of shots and his team loses, then he's a selfish player who doesn't make his teammates better. He shares the ball and racks a bunch of assists and they lose, he's old and washed up and can't take over a game anymore. No matter what happens, as long as the Lakers are losing, Kobe critics will twist it so that the blame falls squared on Kobe, right or wrong. Yes, the Lakers struggled this year and against a high degree of scrutiny because of what the expectations were with their acquisitions of Howard and Nash. But the fact remains that Kobe was still playing his tail off and still maintaining an elite level of play, particularly at his age, despite what his teammates were or weren't doing to help him. It's ridiculous to say he put up meaningless stats. Often times, he was the only one on his team actually giving a shit and putting in the appropriate level of effort to try to win games. Can he be a detriment at times when he feels he has to take over and shoot all the time? Absolutely. At times. But tell me the Lakers would have done better without Kobe and I know you're just full of it trying to discredit the guy out of hate or spite.

If basketball is a team sport, then winning and losing ultimately is a team accomplishment or failure and cannot be put on the shoulders of one player even if they are the franchise guy. When the Spurs win, it's not just Tim Duncan. It's not just Tony Parker. It's not just Ginobili. If they lose, vice versa.

Kobe deserved 1st team honors. Did Parker deserve it? Yeah, I'd say he deserved it too. But it's no travesty that Kobe got it over him. And it wasn't a lifetime achievement award. He earned it this year. Unlike the countless defensive honors he bogusly took, his all NBA first team selections are legit, this season included.

spurfans just never want to give kobe any sort of credit. ever

[Kidd K]

spurfans just never want to give kobe any sort of credit. ever

Most non-Laker fans shit on Kobe tbh. Every basketball forum I've been to has tons of people shitting on Kobe. I don't agree with all the negative posts, but there's definitely a lot. . .and its everywhere.

[Phillip]

Most:cry non-Laker fans shit on Kobe tbh. :cryEvery basketball forum I've been:cry to has tons of people:cry shitting on Kobe. I:cry don't agree:cry with all the:cry negative posts, but :crythere's definitely a :crylot. . .and its:cry everywhere.:cry:cry:cry

[ElNono]

Kobe is an amazing talent, especially at his age, but the real question for this award is: was he a top-two guard in the league this season? (two not as in the position, but in rank)

I just can't agree with that this season. Paul without a question was better. Westbrook, Harden were overall better too, IMO. Wade was hurt a bit, so that probably makes his stock go down somewhat. Curry upped his game considerably when the playoffs rolled around, even playing in one ankle.

He was probably top 6... maybe top 4...

[Kidd K]

Sorry to hear that you being told about reality makes you cry so much Phillip.

[FkLA]

lol David 'worst interior defender in the NBA' Lee

lol Kobe will never be 1st team at 37 yrs old

[jeebus]

I just can't agree with that this season. Paul without a question was better. Westbrook, Harden were overall better too, IMO. Wade was hurt a bit, so that probably makes his stock go down somewhat. Curry upped his game considerably when the playoffs rolled around, even playing in one ankle.

tbh it's a regular season award, so what Curry did in the playoffs have no impact. this was pretty much kirby's swan song since it's a super longshot that he'll be able to produce like this again after his achiLOLes injury. the first team selection is debatable but I don't care about it. Lakers got swept out of the first round, there's no reason for me to be angry about the selection.

[100%duncan]

But Spurs fans go kicking and screaming about how both Ginobili and Parker are future Hall of Famers.

SMH @ using the all NBA teams to discredit David Robinson, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili only to prop up Duncan more than he already is as the accepted best PF in the history of the game, and then in other conversations yelling about how both Ginobili and Paker are HOFers.

lot of Spurs fans are insecure bout dat tbh fwiw

[ElNono]

tbh it's a regular season award, so what Curry did in the playoffs have no impact.

fair enough

[dallasmaverickslose]

Don't understand how Ime Udoka didn't make any of these teams. SMH...

[namlook]

Too bad basketball isn't an individual sport. Someone should tell Kobe.

LMAO @ telling the guy with five rings basketball isn't an individual sport.

[Pelicans78]

I know people want to hate Kobe just to hate Kobe, but he actually does deserve 1st team.

Despite his team struggling most of the season, he still had a really great individual season. Getting all NBA defensive honors would be a joke. But getting 1st team all NBA makes sense.

He didn't deserve first team over Harden.

[Pelicans78]

Gasol should have made first team over Duncan. Both had similar seasons yet Gasol played 11 more games. These writers are a joke.

[rmt]

Gasol should have made first team over Duncan. Both had similar seasons yet Gasol played 11 more games. These writers are a joke.

Duncan 17.8 pts / 9.9 rebs / 2.7 asst / 2.6 blks 50.2%FG in 30.1 mins
Gasol 14.1 pts / 7.8 rebs / 4 asst / 1.7 blks 49.4%FG in 35 mins

[Killakobe81]

I know people want to hate Kobe just to hate Kobe, but he actually does deserve 1st team.

Despite his team struggling most of the season, he still had a really great individual season. Getting all NBA defensive honors would be a joke. But getting 1st team all NBA makes sense.

Achilles was deserving ...especially with Wade, Parker and Harden fading late ... due to fatigue or injury. Achilles finished strong before the rupture ...

Duncan was actually deserving tbh ...more so of this than DPOY tbh ...

[Killakobe81]

Kobe can't win for losing. He chucks up a lot of shots and his team loses, then he's a selfish player who doesn't make his teammates better. He shares the ball and racks a bunch of assists and they lose, he's old and washed up and can't take over a game anymore. No matter what happens, as long as the Lakers are losing, Kobe critics will twist it so that the blame falls squared on Kobe, right or wrong. Yes, the Lakers struggled this year and against a high degree of scrutiny because of what the expectations were with their acquisitions of Howard and Nash. But the fact remains that Kobe was still playing his tail off and still maintaining an elite level of play, particularly at his age, despite what his teammates were or weren't doing to help him. It's ridiculous to say he put up meaningless stats. Often times, he was the only one on his team actually giving a shit and putting in the appropriate level of effort to try to win games. Can he be a detriment at times when he feels he has to take over and shoot all the time? Absolutely. At times. But tell me the Lakers would have done better without Kobe and I know you're just full of it trying to discredit the guy out of hate or spite.

If basketball is a team sport, then winning and losing ultimately is a team accomplishment or failure and cannot be put on the shoulders of one player even if they are the franchise guy. When the Spurs win, it's not just Tim Duncan. It's not just Tony Parker. It's not just Ginobili. If they lose, vice versa.

Kobe deserved 1st team honors. Did Parker deserve it? Yeah, I'd say he deserved it too. But it's no travesty that Kobe got it over him. And it wasn't a lifetime achievement award. He earned it this year. Unlike the countless defensive honors he bogusly took, his all NBA first team selections are legit, this season included.

This.

[Killakobe81]

Kobe didn't deserve it at all. Dude had great numbers on the surface, but check out the guy's usage rate. Also, more importantly, look at how a team with all of that talent did. And don't get it twisted, Howard should be the best big man and has been the best big man in the league for a few years now, but he was constrained by the cancer that is Kobe Bryant. Howard got an Orlando team to the NBA finals with very little help. Kobe Bryant has always needed substantially more talent than the rest of the league to win titles. Any way you slice it... if you want efficiency/numbers, there are better players, if you want a combination of team success and numbers, there are better players to choose as well, obviously. His selection, like his all-defensive teams of the last 8 or so years, have came on his heavily-marketed name alone.

Losing.

[JamStone]

That's the thing, there are players with better numbers AND better team success(Westbrook, Parker). See my above post for further reasoning.

Both had better team success. Westbrook did not have better numbers. And it's only arguable that Parker had better numbers. I could easily argue Kobe had better numbers than Parker. Either way, I wouldn't have made any argument if Tony Parker were on the 1st team and Kobe on the 2nd team. But for me, I don't find it wrong the other way either. Parker is really the only guy who has an argument over Kobe. The Westbrook, Harden, Curry :lol , Wade arguments are silly.

[jeebus]

Parker definitely would've made it if he had not been injured; dude was a top 3 MVP candidate before that. And on an unrelated note, if Westbrick had been injured during the regular season, one might assume Durant would've fallen out of MVP/1st team discussion based on the cliff he fell off of in the playoffs.

[JamStone]

If you believe adjusted efficiency and PER are the best statistical measures, your next post should discuss the merits of how Brook Lopez should have been the first team all NBA center over Tim Duncan.

Ready? Go.

[JamStone]

I'm not an advanced stats junkie so I don't know where to find adjusted efficiency, but Lopez has a higher true shooting percentage and eFG% than Duncan on basketball reference. And a higher PER.

[Rogue]

duncan making the 1st team is well deserved, and its probably his last time in the 1st team tbh. on the other hand, it also reflects how talent-deprived the league is at this position. Bynum and DH were expected to dominate this position but one of them played downright below his normal level, while the other didn't play at all.