Joey Crawford Going Fierce for Miami tonight

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

F that bald headed piece of shit.

[Samr.]

#teamsthataren'tinthefinalsproblems

[SpurPadre]

We're gonna get this fuck to ref at some point in the Finals...hope it's at San Antonio, though. That would lessen the blow and reign him in somewhat.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

We're gonna get this fuck to ref at some point in the Finals...hope it's at San Antonio, though. That would lessen the blow and reign him in somewhat.

It won't lessen anything. Joey could care less where he's reffing, he's gonna bone over whoever Stern tells him to.

[hater]

Win win situation IMO

I don't see Joey calling a game in the Finals after this game 4 fiasco.

plus Heat have to play at least 6 games in ECF

thanks Joey

http://www.pageqsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Joey-Crawford-Heat-Bulls.jpg

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

You know he was reffing. Something he makes sure everyone knows every game.

[tesseractive]

Win win situation IMO

I don't see Joey calling a game in the Finals after this game 4 fiasco.

plus Heat have to play at least 6 games in ECF

thanks Joey

http://www.pageqsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Joey-Crawford-Heat-Bulls.jpg

Yeah, I think this whole crew is done for the year now. :lol

[Das Texan]

Watching heat fans meltdown is funny.

[TampaDude]

We're gonna get this fuck to ref at some point in the Finals...hope it's at San Antonio, though. That would lessen the blow and rein him in somewhat.

Expect Joey for Games 1, 4, and 7 (if it gets that far). :lol

[Das Texan]

I'd prefer Joey's squad over any squad that has Zach Zarba in it tbh.

[SpurPadre]

Expect Joey for Games 1, 4, and 7 (if it gets that far). :lol

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.

[TampaDude]

I'd prefer Joey's squad over any squad that has Zach Zarba in it tbh.

Monty McCutchen and Tony Brothers are worse.

[Dex]

You really think the NBA is going to acknowledge that their refs are incompetent?


Expect Joey for Games 1, 4, and 7 (if it gets that far).


This, tbh.

[Death In June]

I didn't watch the game...but the consensus appears to be that it was a poorly officiated game in the Pacers favor?

[TampaDude]

I didn't watch the game...but the consensus appears to be that it was a poorly officiated game in the Pacers favor?

It was a poorly officiated game, period.

[Yuixafun]

It felt like a screw job but they overplayed their hand so they had to abort mission.

[TampaDude]

It felt like a screw job but they overplayed their hand so they had to abort mission.

Kind of like the Operation Market Garden of officiating? :lol

[Samr.]

It was a poorly officiated game, period.

Imo, crucial, game-deciding mistakes were made in the final 2 minutes toward and against both teams. Lebron and Wade will stand out because they are the big names, but those replays of calls like the out of bounds "against" the Pacers won't go unnoticed.

Either way, fact stands: for Stern, this is like the anti-Robinson way of going into retirement for him.

I would have wanted nothing less.

[HI-FI]

It felt like a screw job but they overplayed their hand so they had to abort mission.
that's one way of looking at it. they botched a 24 second call that was so bad, then they seemed to try making it up.

the game was a total blur for me, just ridiculous homecooking followed by the usual superstar treatment. the ugliest game in the playoffs so far imo.

[Samr.]

the ugliest game ever so far imo.

FTFY

I'm pulling for Indy bc of Hill, and because of Hoosier State. Regardless, "superstars" get away with this shit so much imo it's ridiculous. Either you call it consistently, or you don't call it at all. Either you own the "superstar treatment," or you don't. Either way the refs go they'll get flak, but middling the ground just looks bad. Especially when it's game-deciding. Just pick a side, and own it. And be firm (not stern) about it.

[phxspurfan]

lol, didn't Crawford foul out LeBron?

[silverblackfan]

I'd prefer Joey's squad over any squad that has Zach Zarba in it tbh.

This.

[GSH]

For those who didn't see it:

Pacers put up a shot that bounced off the rim - not glanced, but bounced.
The shot clock didn't re-set.
Pacers got the rebound, and eventually made a put-back a couple of seconds later.
Before the put-back, the 24 second clock went off.
Crawford signaled the turnover, due to shot clock violation. Eventually consulted with both of the other refs, and let the call stand.

How in the hell do three NBA referees miss a ball bouncing off the rim? One I could understand, but all three? It was so obvious that there couldn't have been another person in the arena, or at home, who didn't see the ball hit the rim - but somehow all three of the zebras went blind at the exact same instant? The bastards are either cooking the game, or they are grossly incompetent. Sorry, but on that screw-up there aren't any other explanations. There were plenty of other bad calls to go around, but that one I just can't get past.

[Russ]

Joey is everywhere this playoff season.

So it's obvious Stern took a page out of Pop's book -- resting Joey during the regular season so he'd be ready when it counts.

Now both Joey and the Spurs are rested and ready.:toast

Let's get it on.:flag:

[Sean Cagney]

You know he was reffing. Something he makes sure everyone knows every game.

YES this jackass has to make sure we know he is reffing! He is trying to be a star with his bullshit as usual!

[lefty]

TBH Joey didnt favor any team


He just sucked

[exstatic]

lol, didn't Crawford foul out LeBron?

This.

[FromWayDowntown]

lol, didn't Crawford foul out LeBron?

I'm almost 100% certain that it was Derrick Stafford who fouled out Lebron. Stafford also gave Lebron a T in the first half and made Spoelstra take a timeout in lieu of getting a technical for being out of the coaching box (the broadcast said it was Rodney Mott who made MIA take that timeout, but Stafford handled the whole situation).

I also think that it's unlikely that Joey Crawford and Derrick Stafford are done for the year, even if you thought that was a horrendously officiated game.

[jmanu20]

Spurs are 2-0 in the playoffs when Joey C refs so far (Game 6 vs. GS and Game 3 vs. Memphis).

Still, you get the feeling Joey C is just waiting for the right time, and it would be in the Finals. It's going to take near perfect games for Indy to have a shot over the next 2 or 3 games.

[Obstructed_View]

For those who didn't see it:

Pacers put up a shot that bounced off the rim - not glanced, but bounced.
The shot clock didn't re-set.
Pacers got the rebound, and eventually made a put-back a couple of seconds later.
Before the put-back, the 24 second clock went off.
Crawford signaled the turnover, due to shot clock violation. Eventually consulted with both of the other refs, and let the call stand.

How in the hell do three NBA referees miss a ball bouncing off the rim? One I could understand, but all three? It was so obvious that there couldn't have been another person in the arena, or at home, who didn't see the ball hit the rim - but somehow all three of the zebras went blind at the exact same instant? The bastards are either cooking the game, or they are grossly incompetent. Sorry, but on that screw-up there aren't any other explanations. There were plenty of other bad calls to go around, but that one I just can't get past.

The fact that there's no discussion on that play, and that Joey, knowing he's on camera, does his little dance and dramatically steps in. What's worse is the replay where the ball went out of bounds with 30 seconds to go. There's absolutely no evidence that the ball went of David West. None. Giving the ball to Miami was terrible.

Neither of those compares to how bad the first two out of bounds calls were against the Spurs in game 4. I'll take my chances with Joey Crawford, because he's not biased, he's just crappy. Tony Brothers doesn't make bad calls in the Spurs favor.

[SA210]

It felt like a screw job but they overplayed their hand so they had to abort mission.

This

[FromWayDowntown]

i thought crawford wanted to not call it a shot clock violation but when he looked to the other refs for their take they overruled him

I thought the same thing. Frankly, I thought the fact that the time keeper didn't reset the shot clock (despite clear contact with the rim) might have suggested to the other officials that the ball hadn't hit the rim and they guessed from that. It's a bad call in any event -- someone had to see it -- but I was surprised in the moment that Joey asked for help from the crew, given who he is.

[Mel_13]

How in the hell do three NBA referees miss a ball bouncing off the rim? One I could understand, but all three? It was so obvious that there couldn't have been another person in the arena, or at home, who didn't see the ball hit the rim - but somehow all three of the zebras went blind at the exact same instant? The bastards are either cooking the game, or they are grossly incompetent. Sorry, but on that screw-up there aren't any other explanations. There were plenty of other bad calls to go around, but that one I just can't get past.

Corrupt or incompetent. Those are the only two possibilities. Just astonishing that such poor officiating can occur when the NBA only needs to provide one crew per night at this point of the playoffs.

[Mel_13]

The Officiating Debacle

Less than a minute after Hibbert nailed a hook shot, three referees called a shot clock violation after a wild Hibbert fling so obviously hit the rim that everyone near me on press row noticed it in real time, from the other side of the floor. What a debacle. The league is rightly hesitant to bog the game down with endless replays. Games are already too long. The replays we do have take forever, and the number of TV timeouts reached comical levels years ago. But if the league wants to review non-foul dead-ball calls — goaltends and out-of-bounds plays in the final minutes of regulation, for instance — I’ve never understood why they don’t (a) review more of such calls, and (b) review them during the full course of the game.

Reviewing all dead-ball turnovers is impossible; have you ever read the section of the rule book devoted to traveling? But things like “did the ball hit the rim?” should take 10 seconds to review. Ditto for “is that ball on the way down?” And even if these kinds of reviews begin adding up to too much time, then maybe Jeff Van Gundy’s challenge flag idea might not be so crazy after all. Heck, half the coaches are already three steps onto the floor, so they wouldn’t even have to throw the thing in order for officials to notice it.

And as you might imagine, I chuckled when Joey Crawford, surely soon to be headlining in Las Vegas with some sort of officiating pantomime show, charged Miami a timeout because Erik Spoelstra stepped onto the court. The rules are very clear: Coaches aren’t allowed to be on the floor. But here’s the problem: Spoelstra is always on the floor. Why did Crawford decide the heat of a pivotal playoff game represented the right time to crack down on something Spoelstra and others have been doing for years in meaningless January games? You don’t think Spoelstra may adjust his behavior, if Crawford hit him with some theatrically delivered technicals in the regular season?

This is what rightfully drives fans crazy. This is why Miami was up in arms about the illegal screen that fouled LeBron James out of the game — the second straight season in which James has fouled out in a postseason Game 4, for all you conspiracy theorists. The screen James set was probably illegal; you’re not supposed to spread your feet as wide apart as James did, and he moved a smidgen in Stephenson’s direction while setting the pick. Those things are against the rules.

But guess what? Players set illegal screens on almost every possession. Big men on defense have fought back by regularly shoving screen-setters just before the moment of impact, one illegality atop another. Want to crack down on this? Then crack down on it in the offseason, and then in the regular season, until the players adjust their behavior.

The officiating became the story tonight, and that’s a shame, because these are two great basketball teams competing so, so hard against each other.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/63575/we-went-there-not-even-the-joey-crawford-revue-can-steal-the-pacers-shine

[Mugen]

There's an alternate referee at every game.

Instead of chomping on hot dogs back in the locker rooms, why can't he be sitting courtside next to a tv monitor with the power to veto any obvious calls like the Shot Clock violation. Any calls that aren't judgment calls could be monitored almost immediately without delay tbh.

[Knoxxx]

I think its mainly incompetence. The blown shot clock violation call was horrific though and should result in sanctions against all 3 refs.

[Knoxxx]

There's an alternate referee at every game.

Instead of chomping on hot dogs back in the locker rooms, why can't he be sitting courtside next to a tv monitor with the power to veto any obvious calls like the Shot Clock violation. Any calls that aren't judgment calls could be monitored almost immediately without delay tbh.

Great idea, replay booth that can stop the game when they think and effed up call has been made.

[Mugen]

I'd like to keep replay as minimal as possible but Joey already stopped the play after the shot clock went off and did his little jig before making a stupid call. If you're already stopping the game for Joey's antics, might as well get the call right with a designated replay official.

[Obstructed_View]

There's an alternate referee at every game.

Instead of chomping on hot dogs back in the locker rooms, why can't he be sitting courtside next to a tv monitor with the power to veto any obvious calls like the Shot Clock violation. Any calls that aren't judgment calls could be monitored almost immediately without delay tbh.

Yep. How about putting him in the ESPN truck with the guys running the tape? He can have a decision made on a call before they even ask him.

[Knoxxx]

The Officiating Debacle

Why did Crawford decide the heat of a pivotal playoff game represented the right time to crack down on something Spoelstra and others have been doing for years in meaningless January games? You don’t think Spoelstra may adjust his behavior, if Crawford hit him with some theatrically delivered technicals in the regular season?

This is what rightfully drives fans crazy.

Yes another example no touching the ref that is often disregarded. If you are angry and touch a ref auto ejection. If you pat the guy on the butt after a discussion or put a arm around more discreetly its overlooked. Who's to say where the line is there, I am surprised and cringe each time TD or one of our guys does this.

[RD2191]

The scary thing about Joey is that he really doesn't give a fuck, he will pretty much screw over whoever he wants.

[Wildcat67]

The fact that there's no discussion on that play, and that Joey, knowing he's on camera, does his little dance and dramatically steps in. What's worse is the replay where the ball went out of bounds with 30 seconds to go. There's absolutely no evidence that the ball went of David West. None. Giving the ball to Miami was terrible.

Neither of those compares to how bad the first two out of bounds calls were against the Spurs in game 4. I'll take my chances with Joey Crawford, because he's not biased, he's just crappy. Tony Brothers doesn't make bad calls in the Spurs favor.

It was called out of bounds off of the Pacers on the floor. You can say there wasn't proof it touched West but there also wasn't proof it didn't and without indisputable evidence the call on the court stands. Especially since you don't know what the refs saw in real time. They may have said Heat ball because one of the refs was positive they saw it bounce off of West's leg. That was one call I had no problem with.

[EVAY]

I honestly think that Derrick Stafford is the worst of all of them.

[GSH]

Yes another example no touching the ref that is often disregarded. If you are angry and touch a ref auto ejection. If you pat the guy on the butt after a discussion or put a arm around more discreetly its overlooked. Who's to say where the line is there, I am surprised and cringe each time TD or one of our guys does this.

Duncan touched a ref when he wasn't angry, and still got ejected. And suspended for the next game. The ref was screening for the opponent (unintentionally), and Tim gently moved him out of the way so he could get around. The ref said it didn't matter why he did it, touching a ref is automatic. Then, a month or two later, Garnett put his hand on a ref in anger... nothing. I bitched about that one for a good month. It was bad enough what they did to Duncan. But then ignoring it when Garnett did something much worse. Don't try to convince me that there's no bias in the league.

[ShoogarBear]

Last night was just equal-opportunity incompetence.

[Obstructed_View]

It was called out of bounds off of the Pacers on the floor. You can say there wasn't proof it touched West but there also wasn't proof it didn't and without indisputable evidence the call on the court stands. Especially since you don't know what the refs saw in real time. They may have said Heat ball because one of the refs was positive they saw it bounce off of West's leg. That was one call I had no problem with.

If you're saying that one of the refs originally called it off West, then I can understand if there's not evidence to overturn or refute. That must be the case. If they originally called it off the dribbler, then there's no excuse for giving the ball back to Miami.