How would this Miami team fare against a prime Ewing or Shaq?

[MarioSpeedwagon]

Seeing how Hibbert is raping them I'm wondering how people think they would fare against say like the 1996 Magic or 1993 Knicks.

[HarlemHeat37]

They wouldn't be built the same way, tbh..

They are built to win in today's era where there aren't any dominant bigs..if they played in a different era, the team would be constructed differently..

[MarioSpeedwagon]

They wouldn't be built the same way, tbh..

They are built to win in today's era where there aren't any dominant bigs..if they played in a different era, the team would be constructed differently..
So you think they would lose, okay. Anyone else have a take on this? I'm still awaiting judegement till I hear some analysis.

[apalisoc_9]

Seeing how Hibbert is raping them I'm wondering how people think they would fare against say like the 1996 Magic or 1993 Knicks.

They probably would have acquired different players. I don't see the likes of Allen, Battier on this team if they would have to go against those teams, probably picked up a more physical big.

It's hard to tell how they would do considering how the NBA has changed so much over the years. if i would have to guess though, Champhionship material. Beat the knicks lose to the magic

[Richie]

They wouldn't be built the same way, tbh..

They are built to win in today's era where there aren't any dominant bigs..if they played in a different era, the team would be constructed differently..

This. But if one of those great bigs you mentioned did play them, they'd get swept.

[MarioSpeedwagon]

So, say the 1996 Bulls would be better against the 1996 Magic than this team.

Interesting.

[Mr. Body]

Saying they'd be constructed differently is kind of a ridiculously stupid answer. The OP asks whether this team would get crunched by a 90s era top big. Yes, yes they would. Shaq would go 40 and 20 on them.

[MarioSpeedwagon]

So this is like the greatest team of all time, but they would get housed against any decently constructed team with a dominant big. rofl

Imagine the 1986 Celtics front line against this team. Hell the 1986 Rockets! Best team of all time my ass.

[racm]

They wouldn't be able to sniff the 2003 Spurs' jock.

[apalisoc_9]

Saying they'd be constructed differently is kind of a ridiculously stupid answer. The OP asks whether this team would get crunched by a 90s era top big. Yes, yes they would. Shaq would go 40 and 20 on them.

That is also pretty stupid tbh. Making conclusions about things that never happened to begin with is ridiculously stupid too. It's two opposing styles, it's retarded to think one style would always dominate the other.

[LkrFan]

The 1996 Lakers would destroy the 2013 Heat. We would overmatch them athletically + 24 year old Shaq totally tips the scales over in our favor. 1996 Lakers in 5. The 2013 Heat would beatdown the 1993 Knicks though. Their guards <<<< Miami's perimeter defenders.

[jimbo]

This. But if one of those great bigs you mentioned did play them, they'd get swept.

I don't think they'd get swept. They've got enough offensive firepower that they could probably win a game or two purely on making a ton of 3s.

Their "swarming" D was better during their streak. If they could do that they could average like 7 turnovers a game on Ewing or something absurd. So it's probably not as lopsided as it looks, but Miami wouldn't win the series unless they were on fire.

[HarlemHeat37]

It also depends on officiating, obviously..

If they are getting calls like the Bulls of that era, they would win, tbh..

[mercos]

Tough to say. On top of Hibbert, Indiana is a fantastic defensive team. I don't remember how good the 1996 Magic were on defense. The 1993 Knicks could defend, and would probably give the Heat some trouble. Obviously prime Shaq or Ewing would have their way with the Heat, but Lebron would torch whoever they threw at him as well. The lane wouldn't be as open, but he scores as easily from the outside as he does inside now. I think the early 2000s Lakers or mid 2000s Spurs would crush Miami though.

[AaronY]

So you think they would lose, okay. Anyone else have a take on this? I'm still awaiting judegement till I hear some analysis.
I'm hoping Quadzilla99 will chime in..

[KaiRMD1]

Shaq would dominate, don't know about Ewing.

[phxspurfan]

Shaq would dominate, don't know about Ewing.

If Hibbert and David West are averaging double doubles against them, imagine what a HOF center in his prime would do.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4yd-69vYHM

:lol at Bosh, Birdman or Haslem guarding that


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4fIfmLDG4Q

or trying to guard Ewing shooting fadeaways 8 feet in the air.

or Shaq just owning all of them with his behind


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR6AgYWdoBQ

[KaiRMD1]

^True, I rescind my previous statement concerning Ewing

[phxspurfan]

No worries, soon we will be seeing this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN9FQ3RGjX8

[MarioSpeedwagon]

It also depends on officiating, obviously..

If they are getting calls like the Bulls of that era, they would win, tbh..

So they might be able to flop their way out of it. Wow, okay.

Nice U-turn you made from the second post itt btw might wanna just go ahead and just delete that post so it doesn't detract from this new line of analysis you're attempting.

[polandprzem]

They wouldn't be built the same way, tbh..

They are built to win in today's era where there aren't any dominant bigs..if they played in a different era, the team would be constructed differently..

Sums up :tu

[Axe Murderer]

Don't know about Ewing but this Heat team would get dominated by almost any Shaq team pre 2006

[UNCLE-DREW]

Don't know about Ewing but this Heat team would get dominated by almost any Shaq team pre 2006

What do you mean by dominated ?

1. Lose a 7 game series from almost every shaq team pre 2006.
2. Just get dominated in the paint.

If it's 1, your take on basketball is horrible. For 2, Which team didn't. :lmao

[ambchang]

The Knicks getting underrated here.

Ewing is no where close to Shaq in their respective primes, but the Knicks team was a lot less flawed as the Magic team. The Magic team had no bench, Nick Anderson's nerves were shot in 96, Anfernee Hardaway was fragile, Dennis Scott can't guard anyone on the Heat, and the only thing the Magic can do is to outscore the Heat. Shaq will obviously be a huge advantage on the Magic side, but Lebron will likely negate that advantage for the Heat. I will say this will be a draw of a series, probably going with Magic in 7.

As for the Knicks, Ewing and Oakley will brutalize the Heat inside/mid range, Starks can guard Wade, and Mason can actually guard Lebron a little (long armed, strong as hell, quick hands). I would actually think the Knicks will do better than the Magic, likely winning in 5. Bosh will be crying in the locker room because he got screened too hard by Oakley.

[TDMVPDPOY]

this is stupid

prime ewing or any knick team between 1990-1995 will abuse the miami cheat to the nearest hospital...

dont forget the knicks also had probably the 2nd greatest white center to play the game, dudley will make sure he gets paid those 6 fouls he needs to use up and be on any poster

[Drachen]

This. But if one of those great bigs you mentioned did play them, they'd get swept.

To OP: Really? Ewing? LOL

All I know is that Wade would get knocked out in the first 5 minutes. John starks would punch the fuck outta that chin, then stand over him spit on him, then deliver a hot karl to his chest...... and only get called for a delay of game back in 93.

[whitemamba]

There are no more quality big men who have solid post moves, and are effective consistently. If Miami faced shaq at his prime i dont see them having a chance tbh.

[AaronY]

To OP: Really? Ewing? LOL
Go have a quick look at Hibberts career stats and then Ewings and come back here..

[whitemamba]

To OP: Really? Ewing? LOL

All I know is that Wade would get knocked out in the first 5 minutes. John starks would punch the fuck outta that chin, then stand over him spit on him, then deliver a hot karl to his chest...... and only get called for a delay of game back in 93.

Ewing was a beast.. what are u saying?

[Drachen]

I just see him as the center version of Karl Malone. Can put up the stats, but shrinks away at leadership, and clutch duties.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Question: How would this current Heat squad match up with the 2001 Lakers that won 23 of their final 24 games?

[whitemamba]

Question: How would this current Heat squad match up with the 2001 Lakers that won 23 of their final 24 games?

This question is thread worthy.. I gotta give it to the Lakers though. Shaq was such a dominant presence in the paint, it was horrifying for other teams, as well a younger more athletic Kobe. Would be interesting to watch and see how that would of played out.

[lefty]

They wouldn't be built the same way, tbh..

They are built to win in today's era where there aren't any dominant bigs..if they played in a different era, the team would be constructed differently..
Exactly

Riley knows what he is doing

Before Small Ball era, Riley's philisophy was to coach teams built around a star center.

[ambchang]

Ewing is both overrated and underrated, depending on who you ask.

If you ask anybody from NY, he's the greatest center in the 90s other than Olajuwon, which is a load of crock as Robinson and Shaq were clearly better. On the other hand, his "chokes" in the playoffs doesn't really deserve as much criticisms.

Ewing was one of the best mid-range shooting centers in the game, great defender, has solid post moves, quick and agile. Yes, he never lived up to the hype nor the promises to deliver a championship to NYC, but he played against Jordan, and he faced the best center in the 90s in his first finals appearance. He had a pretty good supporting cast, and he let Starks go 1-17 or whatever it was in a critical finals game, but he wasn't really that big of a choker and performed reasonably well in the playoffs.

[hater]

:lol the question is clearly how would THIS HEAT TEAM fare?

:lol dodging the question

and regarding the 2nd question. the 2001 Lakers would sweep THIS HEAT TEAM

[lefty]

Ewing is both overrated and underrated, depending on who you ask.

If you ask anybody from NY, he's the greatest center in the 90s other than Olajuwon, which is a load of crock as Robinson and Shaq were clearly better. On the other hand, his "chokes" in the playoffs doesn't really deserve as much criticisms.

Ewing was one of the best mid-range shooting centers in the game, great defender, has solid post moves, quick and agile. Yes, he never lived up to the hype nor the promises to deliver a championship to NYC, but he played against Jordan, and he faced the best center in the 90s in his first finals appearance. He had a pretty good supporting cast, and he let Starks go 1-17 or whatever it was in a critical finals game, but he wasn't really that big of a choker and performed reasonably well in the playoffs.
Great post , I totally agree

[Phillip]

They wouldn't be built the same way, tbh..

They are built to win in today's era where there aren't any dominant bigs..if they played in a different era, the team would be constructed differently..

not necessarily true

look at MJs bulls

this heat team has even more of a post presence than those teams

[Phillip]

If Hibbert and David West are averaging double doubles against them, imagine what a HOF center in his prime would do.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4yd-69vYHM

:lol at Bosh, Birdman or Haslem guarding that


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4fIfmLDG4Q

or trying to guard Ewing shooting fadeaways 8 feet in the air.

or Shaq just owning all of them with his behind


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR6AgYWdoBQ

Luc Longley and Bill Wennington somehow did all that, so I'm sure Bosh, Anderson, and Haslem can hold their own decently.

[Phillip]

and regarding the 2nd question. the 2001 Lakers would sweep THIS HEAT TEAM

if that shitty 76ers team could manage a win, im sure this heat team wouldn't get swept

[AaronY]

Saying they'd be constructed differently is kind of a ridiculously stupid answer. The OP asks whether this team would get crunched by a 90s era top big. Yes, yes they would. Shaq would go 40 and 20 on them.


Luc Longley and Bill Wennington somehow did all that, so I'm sure Bosh, Anderson, and Haslem can hold their own decently.
Lulz..can't even slow Hibbert..are a you a fucking retard or something?..

[AaronY]

if that shitty 76ers team could manage a win, im sure this heat team wouldn't get swept
They had fucking Mutombo to defend Shaq for crying out loud..

[Phillip]

Lulz..can't even slow Hibbert..are a you a fucking retard or something?..

The Bulls didn't exactly slow Shaq or Ewing, but they still won.

It's not about shutting Hibbert down. It's about taking advantages of opponent weaknesses. They are giving up all kinds of open shots to the Miami role players, but they simply are not hitting their shots. The one game they did, Miami blew Indy out.

[Phillip]

They had fucking Mutombo to defend Shaq for crying out loud..

Yeah, that is definitely the reason the 76ers won game 1, since Shaq had a measly 44 points and 20 rebounds. :toast

[AaronY]

Yeah, that is definitely the reason the 76ers won game 1, since Shaq had a measly 44 points and 20 rebounds. :toast
Mutombo was an awesome post defender that's just how good Shaq was at the time..Lol "they have Bosh to defend Shaq"..might be a candidate for worst part of all time

[AaronY]

Luc Longley and Bill Wennington somehow did all that, so I'm sure Bosh, Anderson, and Haslem can hold their own decently.
Lol, Longley was 7'2 280..Bosh and Haslem would be giving up about 100 lbs to Shaq..this is an unbelievably amazing post..

[Phillip]

Mutombo was an awesome post defender that's just how good Shaq was at the time..Lol "they have Bosh to defend Shaq"..might be a candidate for worst part of all time

It's hard to see Shaq having much better of a game than 44/20. In fact, that was one of the best games of his playoff career. And he had to face far inferior defenders plenty of other times.

It's not always about direct matchups, as opposed to gameplans. Miami's personnel isn't the problem with their defense. Its Spoelstra being a garbage coach. Any decent coach would either be up 3-1 or have already swept this series.

[Phillip]

Lol, Longley was 7'2 280..Bosh and Haslem would be giving up about 100 lbs to Shaq..this is an unbelievably amazing post..

Divac and Webber both gave up nearly 100 lbs to Shaq, and neither of them were particularly elite defenders, but were able to hold their own just fine (until Stern cheated them)

[racm]

It's hard to see Shaq having much better of a game than 44/20. In fact, that was one of the best games of his playoff career. And he had to face far inferior defenders plenty of other times.

It's not always about direct matchups, as opposed to gameplans. Miami's personnel isn't the problem with their defense. Its Spoelstra being a garbage coach. Any decent coach would either be up 3-1 or have already swept this series.

Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol combined are more talented individually than Tiago Splitter and Matt Bonner. But which of these two shot ~30%?

[Phillip]

Point is... the Bulls won with strong perimeter play, and a swarming defense, despite a weakness in the middle. That is how Miami has been winning.

[namlook]

So this is like the greatest team of all time, but they would get housed against any decently constructed team with a dominant big. rofl

Imagine the 1986 Celtics front line against this team. Hell the 1986 Rockets! Best team of all time my ass.

People that say that probably have little concept of how good some previous teams were. 80's Lakers in their prime easily beats this Heat team.


Question: How would this current Heat squad match up with the 2001 Lakers that won 23 of their final 24 games?

They would lose. That Lakers team crushed the Spurs who were very good. The 2001 Lakers were on a roll in the playoffs like I have never seen. The one game they lost in the playoffs was in OT.

[Phillip]

Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol combined are more talented individually than Tiago Splitter and Matt Bonner. But which of these two shot ~30%?

My point exactly. Spurs had a fantastic strategy for defending them, despite the fact that it should have been a tough matchup.

[Phillip]

And who the hell said that this is the greatest team ever?

[spurraider21]

I just see him as the center version of Karl Malone. Can put up the stats, but shrinks away at leadership, and clutch duties.
im nearly 110% sure you didn't actually watch 90's ball. Were probably born in the 90's in fact.

Queue the "I'm married and have 2 kids stfu" response

[AaronY]

Lol, coaching strategy would be able to make Chris Bosh be able to defend Shaq in the post..wtf am I even reading here..feel dumber for bothering reading this nonsense..

[namlook]

And who the hell said that this is the greatest team ever?

ESPN insider proposed it.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/page/PerDiem-130528/miami-heat-place-history

[Phillip]

Lol, coaching strategy would be able to make Chris Bosh be able to defend Shaq in the post..wtf am I even reading here..feel dumber for bothering reading this nonsense..

im sorry that you are too stupid to understand how well timed double teams and fast rotations can limit a post player's effectiveness

just look at what indiana is doing to Lebron when he posts up, and you will see how coaching makes a huge difference

[Phillip]

ESPN insider proposed it.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/page/PerDiem-130528/miami-heat-place-history

lol taking an espn poll question seriously

[namlook]

lol taking an espn poll question seriously

That link isn't a poll it's an article.

[racm]

And who the hell said that this is the greatest team ever?

People who didn't watch the 1996 Bulls, 2001 Lakers, or 2007 Spurs?

[Phillip]

People who didn't watch the 1996 Bulls, 2001 Lakers, or 2007 Spurs?

Troof bombs... until that third team you listed.

[AaronY]

Lol, how you gonna get a timely double for Shaq on Bosh when he's setting up under the rim every single possession?..he used to get deep post position on guys like Ewing and Mourning..

gmafb..am I being trolled here?..I mean is this a King Nupe type situation?..

[AaronY]

If you are trolling, then congrats I guess..wow, you really showed me

[Drachen]

im nearly 110% sure you didn't actually watch 90's ball. Were probably born in the 90's in fact.

Queue the "I'm married and have 2 kids stfu" response

Dec. 1979. First game was in 83, though to be fair, I have no recollection of it. My wife is any day now on our 4th.

[Drachen]

Let me clarify because maybe I am being misunderstood. Ewing would shit all over this heat front line. I pulled the lol ewing because there were several other players that I would have definitely thought of ahead of him for such a question. Also lol timely double teams on shaq. Brazzers would get his shit pushed in every time down the court by prime shaq. Triple team or not

[m33p0]

ewing is a jumpshooter, they can deal with him. shaq, on the other hand, will make them taste his ass.

[BUMP]

dont forget the knicks also had probably the 2nd greatest white center to play the game, dudley will make sure he gets paid those 6 fouls he needs to use up and be on any poster

:lmao wtf?

Chris Dudley has been irrelevant ever since getting shaqondudley'ed

[AaronY]

:lmao wtf?

Chris Dudley has been irrelevant ever since getting shaqondudley'ed
The coaching strategy on that Shaq on Dudley was all wrong imho..I blame JVG personally

[dbreiden83080]

If Hibbert and David West are averaging double doubles against them, imagine what a HOF center in his prime would do.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4yd-69vYHM

:lol at Bosh, Birdman or Haslem guarding that


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4fIfmLDG4Q

or trying to guard Ewing shooting fadeaways 8 feet in the air.

or Shaq just owning all of them with his behind


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR6AgYWdoBQ

Man Ewing was a great great player in his prime. He is so underrated all time by so many IMO. His Knick teams while rugged, tough and well coached were never very talented. For a few years John Starks was their 2nd best player, yet with Ewing as the centerpiece they were title contenders for much of the 90's. Too bad MJ had other plans so many years..

[TD 21]

Like Harlem said, they'd be constructed differently. But, just going based off how they're constructed, they'd have survived prime Ewing, who's one of the most overrated players in the history of the league (don't get me wrong, he's a top 50 player, but has no business being mentioned in the same breathe as Olajuwon, O'Neal or Robinson) and who, in fairness, never had a second star next to him.

Prime O'Neal is a different story. He damn near singlehandedly would have beaten them and unlike Ewing, he had a second star and not just any second star, but the fifth best player in the league at the time. I can't even fathom the numbers he'd have put up against lightweights like Bosh and Andersen, as well as the undersized Anthony (I honestly think a 50/30 game wouldn't have been out of the question). He probably would have injured at least one of the first two after he bowled them over for the 50th time.