Is there anything more overrated than Lebron's post game??

[hater]

:lmao

jeez all this dickslobbering over some mediocre post play of the 270lbs of muscle over the toothpicks that are Lance Stephenson and Paul George :lmao

[hater]

what do you think old man riley? :lol

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/7/11/1342015028418/Mark-Jackson-008.jpg

[jdiggy0424]

Its really a shame with his frame and tremendous passing skills if he would of just continually watched film of Magic Johnson's post game he would be one of the most unstoppable players of any era.

its also weird that people have stopped talking about his inability to make free throws. 76% for a player as good as Lebron? Imagine if he shot 86%.

Scary thoughts indeed.

[AaronY]

Wow, his ft are only 76%..great nitpick buddy

[apalisoc_9]

Its really a shame with his frame and tremendous passing skills if he would of just continually watched film of Magic Johnson's post game he would be one of the most unstoppable players of any era.

its also weird that people have stopped talking about his inability to make free throws. 76% for a player as good as Lebron? Imagine if he shot 86%.

Scary thoughts indeed.

Of course he doesnt have the same skill set on the post as the greatest to ever do it ( Olajuwon) or other elite bigs, but the reason why he is so dominant because if you get a smaller guy, he can outpower you, a bigger guy and he can face you up.

Lebron james is a dominant post up player tbh. Not overrated

[hater]

Of course he doesnt have the same skill set on the post as the greatest to ever do it ( Olajuwon) or other elite bigs, but the reason why he is so dominant because if you get a smaller guy, he can outpower you, a bigger guy and he can face you up.

Lebron james is a dominant post up player tbh. Not overrated

well that's the point. Why couldn't he do a repeat performance of game 3 if he is so dominant? He is way, way bigger and stronger than his defenders and is mostly single teamed, he should be able to eat them for breakfast every single game. Yet he's really can't pull it off every single game thus why he's a mediocre post player. Not the dominant force ESPN is bullshiting about.

[jeebus]

hater dropping truth bombs

[jimbo]

well that's the point. Why couldn't he do a repeat performance of game 3 if he is so dominant? He is way, way bigger and stronger than his defenders and is mostly single teamed, he should be able to eat them for breakfast every single game. Yet he's really can't pull it off every single game thus why he's a mediocre post player. Not the dominant force ESPN is bullshiting about.

Couldn't you answer this yourself by just watching how the Pacers played him?

[apalisoc_9]

well that's the point. Why couldn't he do a repeat performance of game 3 if he is so dominant? He is way, way bigger and stronger than his defenders and is mostly single teamed, he should be able to eat them for breakfast every single game. Yet he's really can't pull it off every single game thus why he's a mediocre post player. Not the dominant force ESPN is bullshiting about.

His post game is what won them the LOBT last year, I don't understand your point. Last year he was consistent and posted up when needed be. That's dominant. He's not going to milk the play for 48 minutes because the system needs to be run.

[PingPong]

Nigga is Strong as a rhino and quick as hell. The biggest problem is just find a defender Strong and quick as him.

[CitizenDwayne]

Hater is right. His post game is much improved and occasionally very impressive, but lacking in consistency.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol crab dribble and still cant do shit with it

built like a tank, but resorts to flopping when contact

defensive team my ass, more like chasing down clowns on layups from behind, tell me when he actually blocks someone tryin to dunk on him or shoot it in his face...

[irishock]

:lol DAF86 probably thinks LeBron>Mike in the post, too

[apalisoc_9]

he is.

[xellos88330]

I admit that I was expecting LeBron to crush in the post in game 4. What surprised me was when the defender braced and held his ground, LeBron would always opt for the turn around fade. It also seems that most of his post play involves him moving towards his right shoulder.

I would imagine that he is going to work like crazy in the off season on his post game.

[Richie]

The team doesn't have good enough spacing when he posts up. They send 4 guys to the weakside and it makes it easy for Vogel to send a double team.

They should have one player on the strong side wing in the hopes they double him and get an open 3.

Watch how the Spurs space out the defence for rookie Duncan in this video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB7XD8km7L0

They have one player on the strong side to allow Duncan to throw it out and repost, or get the open 3 if the defender doubles. Now look at this shot from when Lebron posts up.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLO_KkFCQAAZ7pa.png

Clear difference, and it's down to coaching.

[DAF86]

:lol DAF86 probably thinks LeBron>Mike in the post, too

I see you're still butthurt about me exposing your shitty takes but this is not the way to go about it son. Try to get better at it or stop giving opinions, pick one and you'll be fine, tbh.

[FlaSpursFan]

Who has better post moves, Lebron or Dwight? Both pretty shitty to be honest.

[irishock]

I see you're still butthurt about me exposing your shitty takes but this is not the way to go about it son. Try to get better at it or stop giving opinions, pick one and you'll be fine, tbh.

:lol LeBron>Michael in almost every category and I'm the one with the bad takes? Fucking 3rd world countryman buying into shit ESPN tells him :lol not being able to afford cable TV to see Mike in his prime

:lol LeBron is the better 3pt shooter, defender, rebounder, blocker, passer

:lol exposing my shitty Mike is the GOAT take

:lol thinking Messi's the GOAT in football

[Mugen]

:lol Still light years ahead of Bible Kemp tho

[DAF86]

:lol LeBron>Michael in almost every category and I'm the one with the bad takes? Fucking 3rd world countryman buying into shit ESPN tells him :lol not being able to afford cable TV to see Mike in his prime

:lol LeBron is the better 3pt shooter, defender, rebounder, blocker, passer

:lol exposing my shitty Mike is the GOAT take

:lol thinking Messi's the GOAT in football

Hey dumbfuck I'm not exposing your Jordan=GOAT argument, I also think Jordan=GOAT. I exposed all of your other retarded opinions that are way too many to remember right now.

Either way this is the last time I will adress you, you're way too retarded to be interacting with.

[Phillip]

:lmao

jeez all this dickslobbering over some mediocre post play of the 270lbs of muscle over the toothpicks that are Lance Stephenson and Paul George :lmao
270? exaggeration much?

[racm]

270? exaggeration much?

270 was Blair's weight last season when he was still visiting Whataburger a lot

[Phillip]

Couldn't you answer this yourself by just watching how the Pacers played him?

exactly. as soon as he puts the ball on the floor, there are double teams waiting for him from every angle. He is finding the open men, but they aren't hitting anything. That is the difference maker in this series.

[Phillip]

The team doesn't have good enough spacing when he posts up. They send 4 guys to the weakside and it makes it easy for Vogel to send a double team.

They should have one player on the strong side wing in the hopes they double him and get an open 3.

Watch how the Spurs space out the defence for rookie Duncan in this video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB7XD8km7L0

They have one player on the strong side to allow Duncan to throw it out and repost, or get the open 3 if the defender doubles. Now look at this shot from when Lebron posts up.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLO_KkFCQAAZ7pa.png

Clear difference, and it's down to coaching.

:toast

hit the nail on the head

[irishock]

Hey dumbfuck I'm not exposing your Jordan=GOAT argument, I also think Jordan=GOAT. I exposed all of your other retarded opinions that are way too many to remember right now.

Either way this is the last time I will adress you, you're way too retarded to be interacting with.

:lol backing off of your LeBron nuthugging job already
:lol LeBron>Michael in passing, defense, long range shooting, rebounding, blocking... if that doesn't make him better than Jordan overall then I don't know what can :lol
:cry you're retarded :cry lebron's sooo goood

[Bynumite]

I think i speak for everyone, including spurfan, when i say Kobe with an healthy achilles is the best post player in the nba.

Come at me brah.

[Phillip]

I think i speak for everyone, including spurfan, when i say Kobe with an healthy achilles is the best post player in the nba.

Come at me brah.

Him, Randolph, and Timmy are the 3 best post scorers in the league.

[midnightpulp]

Him, Randolph, and Timmy are the 3 best post scorers in the league.

And them being the best post players at 34, 31, and 37 is an indictment of the quality of post-play in the modern NBA.

[midnightpulp]

I think i speak for everyone, including spurfan, when i say Kobe with an healthy achilles is the best post player in the nba.

Come at me brah.

For perimeter players. Definitely.

Can't really compare perimeter player post play to big man post play, though, since they're quite different.

[rmt]

The team doesn't have good enough spacing when he posts up. They send 4 guys to the weakside and it makes it easy for Vogel to send a double team.

They should have one player on the strong side wing in the hopes they double him and get an open 3.

Watch how the Spurs space out the defence for rookie Duncan in this video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB7XD8km7L0

They have one player on the strong side to allow Duncan to throw it out and repost, or get the open 3 if the defender doubles. Now look at this shot from when Lebron posts up.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLO_KkFCQAAZ7pa.png

Clear difference, and it's down to coaching.

Maybe there's such a dearth of low post big men in the league that even Spo doesn't know that there should be a team mate on the strong side

[DAF86]

Not to be a homer but Scola has pretty damn good post moves, on par with any of those named (if not better, tbrh)

[Richie]

Maybe there's such a dearth of low post big men in the league that even Spo doesn't know that there should be a team mate on the strong side

I mean, it's not exactly required to have a team mate on the strong side wing, but if you're going to have 4 players on the weakside they can't be spaced like this while Lebron is dribbling

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLO_KkFCQAAZ7pa.png

First, Birdman is a complete non factor in that position, he isn't going to hit a jumpshot. If you want someone to keep the floor spread, run this play with Bosh at the top of the 3 point arc, 2 players evenly spaced on the wing and one in the corner. If you run it with Birdman, get him on the weakside low post.

[Killakobe81]

LeBron's post game is effective tbh ...
It's just not pretty he lacks the footwork of thevery best post,guys.
Like Tim, Zbo, Achilles, Gasol brothers.

[Phillip]

And them being the best post players at 34, 31, and 37 is an indictment of the quality of post-play in the modern NBA.

True. Although post play isn't as useful as it once was, mainly because of 1) how much more athletic players are (especially wings) today, and 2) improved defensive strategies. Wing players can double down and get back to their man/position when the post player passes out, much more quickly than the average player in the past could. And strategies on how to defend these players have evolved a lot after having to deal with Hakeem, Timmy, and Shaq over the past 25 years, who are arguably the three deadliest post scorers in history. Plus, teams and players have seen how useful it is for big men to have shooting ability, thanks in large part to Dirk dominating over the past 15 years. Having that ability to stretch the defense makes it a lot easier for guards and wing players to attack the basket and score.

Make no mistake, post scoring is most certainly a very useful thing, but I think it's not nearly as useful as it once was. You can have far more versatility in your offense by having a big man with shooting/dribbling/passing (guard skillset) abilities, and several wing players who can attack and score in different ways, as opposed to having a pure post scorer, and a bunch of jump shooters surrounding him.

[Phillip]

Not to be a homer but Scola has pretty damn good post moves, on par with any of those named (if not better, tbrh)
surprisingly, this isn't very homeristic of you. Scola has a fantastic post scoring skillset.

[hitmanyr2k]

The team doesn't have good enough spacing when he posts up. They send 4 guys to the weakside and it makes it easy for Vogel to send a double team.

They should have one player on the strong side wing in the hopes they double him and get an open 3.

Watch how the Spurs space out the defence for rookie Duncan in this video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB7XD8km7L0

They have one player on the strong side to allow Duncan to throw it out and repost, or get the open 3 if the defender doubles. Now look at this shot from when Lebron posts up.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLO_KkFCQAAZ7pa.png

Clear difference, and it's down to coaching.


I think the clear difference is Lebron's skill level in the post is still lacking. He plays in the post but he's not a true post player with a refined game. Lebron's post game is back down, back down, throw up a shot. If his initial move is cut off he gets stuck with the defense in his lap because he has no counter moves or footwork.

He needs to study what a truly skilled SF can do in the post....


Back someone down with a second defender in his lap reaching but it doesn't matter when that player can counter the defense with skill. Quick ball fake, reverse pivot, reverse layup with the left hand to avoid the shot blocker and makes it look easy.
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3015/pippenlowblock3.gif

Sees the doubleteam coming on the post-up. No worries...spin away from it with a simple jumphook.

http://imageshack.us/a/img708/653/pippenlowblock1.gif

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3221/pippenlowblockjumphook.gif


If your initial move gets cut off footwork, head/shoulder fakes can get you out of a jam...

Pivots into a doubleteam...head/shoulder fake x2, hold that pivot foot and dunk.
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7462/pippenlowblockreplay.gif

Gets triple-teamed...quick head/shoulder fake, pivot score.
http://imageshack.us/a/img543/3481/pippenpostjazz.gif

Initial move gets stuck. Fake reverse pivot, shoot.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3368/pippenmulitpivotsonics.gif

Double-team comes...head/shoulder fake, reverse pivot jumphook.
http://imageshack.us/a/img546/6798/pippenfakespinhook.gif

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9272/pippenlowblockshakecelt.gif


If Lebron ever incorporates these kind of fundamentals and skill into his game hell may freeze over.

[callo1]

Kobe's clutchness is more overrated tbh.

[Killakobe81]

Kobe's clutchness is more overrated tbh.

Duncan's marriage vows ...

Duncan's "low (bed) post" moves too ...

Kidding ...

[Phillip]

I think the clear difference is Lebron's skill level in the post is still lacking. He plays in the post but he's not a true post player with a refined game. Lebron's post game is back down, back down, throw up a shot. If his initial move is cut off he gets stuck with the defense in his lap because he has no counter moves or footwork.

He needs to study what a truly skilled SF can do in the post....


Back someone down with a second defender in his lap reaching but it doesn't matter when that player can counter the defense with skill. Quick ball fake, reverse pivot, reverse layup with the left hand to avoid the shot blocker and makes it look easy.
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3015/pippenlowblock3.gif

Sees the doubleteam coming on the post-up. No worries...spin away from it with a simple jumphook.

http://imageshack.us/a/img708/653/pippenlowblock1.gif

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3221/pippenlowblockjumphook.gif


If your initial move gets cut off footwork, head/shoulder fakes can get you out of a jam...

Pivots into a doubleteam...head/shoulder fake x2, hold that pivot foot and dunk.
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7462/pippenlowblockreplay.gif

Gets triple-teamed...quick head/shoulder fake, pivot score.
http://imageshack.us/a/img543/3481/pippenpostjazz.gif

Initial move gets stuck. Fake reverse pivot, shoot.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3368/pippenmulitpivotsonics.gif

Double-team comes...head/shoulder fake, reverse pivot jumphook.
http://imageshack.us/a/img546/6798/pippenfakespinhook.gif

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9272/pippenlowblockshakecelt.gif


If Lebron ever incorporates these kind of fundamentals and skill into his game hell may freeze over.

Good stuff. There is no question Lebron still needs work on his post game, and I'm sure it will continue to improve.

The point is, if they simply had better strategy on how to set the offense up around him when posting up, his post game would still be more effective, even though he has a limited number of moves currently.

[LkrFan]

I think the clear difference is Lebron's skill level in the post is still lacking. He plays in the post but he's not a true post player with a refined game. Lebron's post game is back down, back down, throw up a shot. If his initial move is cut off he gets stuck with the defense in his lap because he has no counter moves or footwork.

He needs to study what a truly skilled SF can do in the post....


Back someone down with a second defender in his lap reaching but it doesn't matter when that player can counter the defense with skill. Quick ball fake, reverse pivot, reverse layup with the left hand to avoid the shot blocker and makes it look easy.
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3015/pippenlowblock3.gif

Sees the doubleteam coming on the post-up. No worries...spin away from it with a simple jumphook.

http://imageshack.us/a/img708/653/pippenlowblock1.gif

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3221/pippenlowblockjumphook.gif


If your initial move gets cut off footwork, head/shoulder fakes can get you out of a jam...

Pivots into a doubleteam...head/shoulder fake x2, hold that pivot foot and dunk.
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7462/pippenlowblockreplay.gif

Gets triple-teamed...quick head/shoulder fake, pivot score.
http://imageshack.us/a/img543/3481/pippenpostjazz.gif

Initial move gets stuck. Fake reverse pivot, shoot.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3368/pippenmulitpivotsonics.gif

Double-team comes...head/shoulder fake, reverse pivot jumphook.
http://imageshack.us/a/img546/6798/pippenfakespinhook.gif

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9272/pippenlowblockshakecelt.gif


If Lebron ever incorporates these kind of fundamentals and skill into his game hell may freeze over.
hitmanyr2k with the pure uncut goods. Pippen was a motherfucker. Easily my favorite SF of all time. MJ got all the glory, but he ain't did shit without Pippen. Great post son. :toast

[FrostKing]

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