Should Hibbert get suspended?

[Splits]

Pacer's Hibbert suspended for Game 7
Official Release
Posted June 2, 2013 12:38 PM
NEW YORK --


Indian Pacer center Roy Hibbert has been suspended one game without pay for his remarks in the press conference following last night's Eastern Conference Finals Game 6, it was announced today by Stu Jackson, NBA Executive Vice President, Basketball Operations.


"As you know, the NBA has implemented a strict no-tolerance policy when it comes to bigotry and hate speech. We have no choice but to follow through on said policy and suspend Roy for one game. We hope this sends a message to our players and fans alike, that we will not tolerate slurs against any group of people."

If this were real, would you support the NBA decision?

[Beaverfuzz]

clown

[dbestpro]

Homo is an abbreviation. Gay is slang. Homo can only be an insult if you are insulted by homosexual people. This thread is gay.

[Kool Bob Love]

Thats a little over done tbh.

[jmanu20]

If it were real, HELL NO, because it would be but more evidence of fixing things for a big-market team at the right time. If there were no Hibbert for Game 7, you could just pencil Miami in for Game 1 on June 6th.

In all honesty, he will get about a $25K fine for his remarks.

[spurraider21]

just a fine. didn't kobe just get a fine when he used a HarlemHeat slur against an official

[Knoxxx]

Wow it's been a LONG nine days so far...

[DarrinS]

Damn. Thought this was real. I would be furious.

[Captivus]

Is "No hetero" an insult?

[Raven]

waiting till it's official.

[GaryJohnston]

that would be a bunch of bullshit...if true

[eric365]

Nothing for the "no homo". Nothing wrong with what he said.
Should the NBA suspend a player that would say "that what she said" at a question that could have another meaning in a sexual context?

For the you all motherf***, probably a fine

[tesseractive]

There's a world of difference between using "no homo" in a live interview and calling Jason Collins a "faggot" in a live interview after playing his team. The latter probably would get someone suspended, and that would be totally reasonable. "No homo" is inappropriate at best, but it's not an actual slur.

[AFBlue]

Is there even precedence for suspension based on off-court comments? Would seem excessive even without precedence, but I'm just curious.

[Splits]

Is there even precedence for suspension based on off-court comments? Would seem excessive even without precedence, but I'm just curious.

No discipline for LBJ last year wrt his "retarded" comment: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/news/story?id=6517744

But Hibbert isn't Bron. Would not at all be surprised by a Darth Stern suspension to fix the series.

[Biernutz]

Game 7 ....so he can't play in game 7...no big fine instead?...This has a David Stern smell all over it......

[DMC]

Game 7 ....so he can't play in game 7...no big fine instead?...This has a David Stern smell all over it......

gnsfs unite

[hooperflash]

gnsfs unite

I'm going to assume he has over 1,000 posts just like that one :lol

[taps]

What??1 No ate footer for the seven. Pol Pot Sterrn is the fixxrz

[spurraider21]

kobe called a ref a f@g and didn't get suspended, so i think big boy roy will be ok

[Horry Hipcheck]

Fine for profanity, because censorship is still a thing in the US for some reason, "no homo" is an idiotic phrase an implies negative connotation but hasn't been viewed as a slur or insult for the most part.

[Spurs and Mavs fan]

Of course not. This is in no way similar to a suspension such as that which Anderson drew for his hard foul.

[Spurs and Mavs fan]

I for one am SICK AND TIRED of the political-correctness agenda in this country.

[Aztecfan03]

I for one am SICK AND TIRED of the political-correctness agenda in this country.

same here but even under that "no homo" would not be close to a suspend-able offense.

I could maybe see a fine for the other profanity part though.

[Horry Hipcheck]

I for one am SICK AND TIRED of the political-correctness agenda in this country.

Political correctness operates on two sides of the same coin. A) Don't be an asshole B) Stop getting offended by assholes

[pikkiwoki]

The Grizzlies' public slogan was "Whoop that trick" tbh

[50 cent]

Jesus Christ, faggots are a sensitive group.

I certainly wouldn't be offended if a homo was saying something and then said, "no hetero".

[DPG21920]

Jesus Christ, faggots are a sensitive group.

I certainly wouldn't be offended if a homo was saying something and then said, "no hetero".

Look, let's not defend Hibbert here. The reason we wouldn't be offended by a gay person saying "no hetero" is because we didn't face some of the persecution they did for their sexual orientation. However, it annoys me that people try to define what's offensive to them without caring about the million other things people could find offensive. It's their thing that matters and they only get on their soap box for that. They aren't champions for equality, they are champions for only what they care about.

[dbreiden83080]

Last I checked this is still a free country and you can feel however the hell you want about anybody..

[DPG21920]

Sure you can feel however you want, but their are rules. Your company has by laws and guidelines on how you represent them. You can feel however you want, but how and where you voice your opinion can have ramifications. If you don't like that, go work for someone with different rules that match up with your beliefs.

[Horry Hipcheck]

People hate political correctness, but a huge portion of the population still gets upset if Christianity is promoted through the public sphere.

[John B]

The no homo comment should amount to a huge fine. The motherf*cker will not. Neither should result to suspension. If so Stern should be investigated for fixing games, for big market or not. Seriously Spurs and other small market teams should file a lawsuit for unfair treatment and maybe reverse that 250k penalty.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

While I'm not placed to comment on whether it actually causes offence or not, I think it's disappointing if "no homo" is considered offensive. It seems to me to be a more specific way of saying "no pun intended" or "that's what she said" - puerile but not bigoted, just pointing out in a nudge-wink way possible sexual connotations in remarks being said about someone else of the same sex. "Fag" or "faggot" on the other hand is clearly unacceptable and simply a slur.

[boutons_deux]

Last I checked this is still a free country and you can feel however the hell you want about anybody..

of course.

But the problem is here that Hibbert spoke an NBA employee/representative speaking on a nationally televised NBA platform. How he "feels" privately is irrelevant.

If Birdman were to say "I beat up that nigga Hibbert all night long", would be the same mistake.

[dbreiden83080]

Sure you can feel however you want, but their are rules. Your company has by laws and guidelines on how you represent them. You can feel however you want, but how and where you voice your opinion can have ramifications. If you don't like that, go work for someone with different rules that match up with your beliefs.

The apology and fine is more than enough beyond that just gives fuel to these groups that want to have a hissy fit anytime anyone breaks wind in their direction.. People are waaaaaaaay too sensitive these days. Not everybody likes homosexuals or agrees with it,

oh well get over it..

[capek]

People hate political correctness, but a huge portion of the population still gets upset if Christianity is promoted through the public sphere.

Miles. Fucking. Apart. lol

[Blake]

Title needs to be changed

[Horry Hipcheck]

Miles. Fucking. Apart. lol

They're really not. The people who complain about the political correctness of words and phrases are often the ones upset that their worldview isn't standard practice in society.

[Mal]

Thought that was real... And no he shouldnt be suspend, for saying he and lebron arent gay.

[ace3g]

Paul Garcia PS @24writer
(http://twitter.com/24writer)"Pacers' Hibbert fined $75k by NBA for using inappropriate and vulgar language following Gm 6 of Pacers’ 91-77 victory over the Miami Heat."

[capek]

They're really not. The people who complain about the political correctness of words and phrases are often the ones upset that their worldview isn't standard practice in society.

An empirical, tolerant worldview should be standard practice in society. Not all worldviews are created equal.

[The Reckoning]

75k lol

[Agloco]

Homo is an abbreviation. Gay is slang. Homo can only be an insult if you are insulted by homosexual people. This thread is gay.

http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/i-see-what-you-did-there-army.jpg

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)David Stern said Hibbert had a "sincere apology," but a "fine is necessary to reinforce that such offensive comments will not be tolerated"

[Splits]

USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2013/06/02/roy-hibbert-fined-news-conference-interview-indiana-pacers-vs-miami-heat/2382487/):


The NBA fined Indiana Pacers center Roy Hibbert $75,000 for his homophobic and vulgar comments following Saturday night's 91-77 victory in Game 6 of the Eastern Conference finals against the Miami Heat.

"While Roy has issued an apology, which is no doubt sincere, a fine is necessary to reinforce that such offensive comments will not be tolerated by the NBA," NBA Commissioner David Stern said in a news release.

[Horry Hipcheck]

An empirical, tolerant worldview should be standard practice in society. Not all worldviews are created equal.

I agree, which is why I said the argument behind political correctness is typically quite ironic.

[sammy]

Me too! The NBA fined him 75,000 for his comments.

[313]

No, that would be very excessive.

[tesseractive]

I agree, which is why I said the argument behind political correctness is typically quite ironic.
Is this the "we have a responsibility to tolerate the intolerant" argument?

[moisaenz]

Tolerance is putting up with people you do not agree with. Hence, you have to disagree first in order to tolerate.

[pikkiwoki]

People hate political correctness, but a huge portion of the population still gets upset if Christianity is promoted through the public sphere.

http://i.imgur.com/X9W8sjg.gif

[pgardn]

He is an employee of a company that spends millions on projecting an image exactly the opposite of what he made light of.

Having stated the above the NBA again hands out arbitrary fines to a young kid that I very much doubt is homophobic. An apology should have been enough. He was not trying to take another players head off like Wade. Just a big dumb child...

[Russ]

Jesus Christ, faggots are a sensitive group.

I certainly wouldn't be offended if a homo was saying something and then said, "no hetero".

They would more likely say "No hets." As in "a lotta hets around here."

Or, more likely, no "breeders." As in "My god, there are a lotta breeders around here. Let's go." :)

[Rogue]

it seems to me that the league just want to let the game decide itself for the post season. birdman is by far the only player who got suspended this post season imho and he only got one-game suspension.

[ErnestLynch]

Suspended ? He should get creamed.

[Aztecfan03]

Is this the "we have a responsibility to tolerate the intolerant" argument?

Who's intollerant? WBC is, but they aren't representative of the large majority of Christians.

[Aztecfan03]

He is an employee of a company that spends millions on projecting an image exactly the opposite of what he made light of.

Having stated the above the NBA again hands out arbitrary fines to a young kid that I very much doubt is homophobic. An apology should have been enough. He was not trying to take another players head off like Wade. Just a big dumb child...

yeah flopping gets one-fifteenth of the fine and has there been any fines for dirty plays this post-season?

[SouthernFried]

He should get an award.

I hate Political Correctness with a passion.

[tesseractive]

Who's intollerant? WBC is, but they aren't representative of the large majority of Christians.
My apologies, I did misunderstand what he was arguing for.

Anyone who thinks they're promoting "tolerance" by attacking Christianity is an idiot. Promotion of Christianity to the exclusion of other faiths by public institutions is inappropriate, but that's just the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

[philldafunk]

He should've just said "pause" instead.

[ErnestLynch]

A gang of homo journalist should give him a facial, motherfuckerz.

[widowmaker]

No amendment No.1

[widowmaker]

Paul Garcia PS @24writer
(http://twitter.com/24writer)"Pacers' Hibbert fined $75k by NBA for using inappropriate and vulgar language following Gm 6 of Pacers’ 91-77 victory over the Miami Heat."




That was quicker than birdman getting ejected for trying to get ina fight during an actual game. Oh my bad Hibbert plays for Indiana.

[widowmaker]

Maybe if Hibbert had some child porn laying around he would be good to go with out making some faggot comments.

[Aztecfan03]

My apologies, I did misunderstand what he was arguing for.

Anyone who thinks they're promoting "tolerance" by attacking Christianity is an idiot. Promotion of Christianity to the exclusion of other faiths by public institutions is inappropriate, but that's just the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

Agreed. I may have misfollwed stuff btw. I thought the tollerance of intollerant was referring to Christianity cause many people seem to think that.

[Darkwaters]

There's a world of difference between using "no homo" in a live interview and calling Jason Collins a "faggot" in a live interview after playing his team. The latter probably would get someone suspended, and that would be totally reasonable. "No homo" is inappropriate at best, but it's not an actual slur.

Exactly! At max he deserves a 5k fine...and thats mostly motivated by the "motherfuckers" comment to the press. The "no homo" thing stacks with that to maybe make a fine happen. But by itself, it's nothing more than a phone call from somebody at the league office to say, "dude, lighten up and watch your mouth. Seriously, please don't say shit like that."

[Darkwaters]

Wow, just saw the 75k thing. Thats absolutely ridiculous!

So Tony Allen only got fined 5k for his antics, but Hibbert gets fined 75k for saying "no homo". I'm losing faith in humanity.

[SouthernFried]

Does the 75k go into the NBA's gay picnic fund?

[TampaDude]

No homo, you faggot motherfuckers.

[ffadicted]

75K :lol Pocket change tbqh

[703 Spurz]

Saying you aren't a homo is hate speech? Does this mean I'm gay?

[Vash StampedE]

Stern won't suspend Hibbert 'cause if he does, the suspense, excitement and the ratings for the impending game 7 would vanish.

[Horry Hipcheck]

Is this the "we have a responsibility to tolerate the intolerant" argument?

Not sure if being misunderstood, or...

Just to reiterate, I:

1. Believe that "political correctness" is a two-sided affair. Side A: Don't be an asshole. Side B: Don't get offended by assholes.

2. It's an observation of mine that, quite often (but not always), the people who shout the loudest in opposition to the push for political correctness in public forums are also the ones who are offended when their idea of Judeo-Christian decorum isn't mandated or simply held in higher regard than other moralities or faith systems. As a socially liberal atheist, I find that ongoing struggle rather amusing, in a disappointing way.

[024]

While I usually believe this forum (mostly NBA forum) is pretty racist, homophobic and sexist, what Hibbert said wasn't a slur. Old people today don't keep up with the young people terms. "No homo" isn't a slur, it's just a joke. It's similar to "that's what she said." It's something you say to point out your previous statement can be construed sexually.

Examples:

I was taking a pounding under the basket... that's what she said.
We were banging hard under the basket, no homo.

If he used "faggots" then there might be something there. It's really about context and in this context, there was no attack, it was just an immature joke in a press conference. The media and the league are definitely blowing this out of proportion probably because they want to desperately show they are pro-gay like the younger generation. But it's the younger generation that came up with the term and they are the most supportive of gay rights. Hibbert's comment was inappropriate and unprofessional but hardly worth such a heavy fine, especially when floppers only get a $5000 fine. He should have only gotten a $10,000 fine for cussing and making an inappropriate comment but the way the media is lambasting him and rushing to the defense of gay people is quite hilarious.

People like Mark Jackson who say that God doesn't want you to be gay is far more destructive.

[TJastal]

I agree the fine is out of line.... 5-10k at most.. Tony Allen's antics should have merited the 75K. I'm sure Chumpdumper will have a basketball take on this. He always does.

[hater]

While I usually believe this forum (mostly NBA forum) is pretty racist, homophobic and sexist, what Hibbert said wasn't a slur. Old people today don't keep up with the young people terms. "No homo" isn't a slur, it's just a joke. It's similar to "that's what she said." It's something you say to point out your previous statement can be construed sexually.

Examples:

I was taking a pounding under the basket... that's what she said.
We were banging hard under the basket, no homo.


have to disagree. what they really mean is I was taking a pounding like a homo, but don't worry, I'm not a homo.

it is definitely despective and in jest of homosexuals around the globe. Tim Duncan's protege should know better tbh

it's equivalent to saying:

"I was tearing the fried chicken up, no niggga" IMO

[Splits]

While I usually believe this forum (mostly NBA forum) is pretty racist, homophobic and sexist, what Hibbert said wasn't a slur. Old people today don't keep up with the young people terms. "No homo" isn't a slur, it's just a joke. It's similar to "that's what she said." It's something you say to point out your previous statement can be construed sexually.

Examples:

I was taking a pounding under the basket... that's what she said.
We were banging hard under the basket, no homo.

If he used "faggots" then there might be something there. It's really about context and in this context, there was no attack, it was just an immature joke in a press conference. The media and the league are definitely blowing this out of proportion probably because they want to desperately show they are pro-gay like the younger generation. But it's the younger generation that came up with the term and they are the most supportive of gay rights. Hibbert's comment was inappropriate and unprofessional but hardly worth such a heavy fine, especially when floppers only get a $5000 fine. He should have only gotten a $10,000 fine for cussing and making an inappropriate comment but the way the media is lambasting him and rushing to the defense of gay people is quite hilarious.

People like Mark Jackson who say that God doesn't want you to be gay is far more destructive.

Very well stated, agree with all of this.

[tesseractive]

Not sure if being misunderstood, or...

Just to reiterate, I:

1. Believe that "political correctness" is a two-sided affair. Side A: Don't be an asshole. Side B: Don't get offended by assholes.

2. It's an observation of mine that, quite often (but not always), the people who shout the loudest in opposition to the push for political correctness in public forums are also the ones who are offended when their idea of Judeo-Christian decorum isn't mandated or simply held in higher regard than other moralities or faith systems. As a socially liberal atheist, I find that ongoing struggle rather amusing, in a disappointing way.
Thanks for clarifying. Yeah, I totally misunderstood your post. Oops.

As a socially-eclectic non-Judeo-Christian theist, I think it's important for public institutions to not take sides for or against any particular religion, and I think we have a responsibility to protect the rights of people who hold minority belief systems. But I also think private individuals have the right to assert their own morality systems (Christian or otherwise) all they want within the limit of the law -- this includes the right for a majority to legislate morality, as long as it doesn't do so in a way that conflicts with others' actual rights.