$$$$ Obmacare $$$$

[Wild Cobra]

IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-cheapest-obamacare-plan-will-be-20000-family)


The examples point to families of four and families of five, both of which the IRS expects in its assumptions to pay a minimum of $20,000 per year for a bronze plan.

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Bronze will be the lowest tier health-insurance plan available under Obamacare--after Silver, Gold, and Platinum. Under the law, the penalty for not buying health insurance is supposed to be capped at either the annual average Bronze premium, 2.5 percent of taxable income, or $2,085.00 per family in 2016.

[mouse]

http://www.infowars.com/heres-how-well-be-forced-to-pay-146-percent-more-for-insurance-under-obamacare/



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[Nbadan]

:lol Mouse
:lol CNS News

[Rogue]

at least he's actually "creating" some jobs somehow somewhere

[ElNono]

For a family of 5? That's cheaper that what would cost right now in NJ, and doesn't even include the subsidies... One could only hope it would be that cheap, but I would suspect it will be higher...

[ElNono]

I'm also suspecting the penalty will be higher than $2400 for the year...

[boutons_deux]

‘Obamacare’ to cost $20,000 a Family?

But the headline of the Cybercast News Service report simply jumps to the conclusion that the IRS said that the “Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family,” when there was no indication that that was the case. An opinion piece published (http://www.lifenews.com/2013/02/03/irs-admits-obamacares-cost-is-20000-per-family/) on LifeNews.com made the same leap, claiming that “the IRS … has finally released a cost analysis based on ObamaCare regulations showing that the cheapest healthcare plan in 2016 will cost average American families of four or five members $20,000 per year for the so-called ‘bronze plan.’ ”

For one thing, the example in the proposed regulations uses the word “average,” which means that the “cheapest” plan could, in fact, be lower than $20,000. But more important, the regulations weren’t a “cost analysis” at all. A spokesperson for the Treasury Department confirmed to FactCheck.org in an email that the IRS wasn’t making any declarations or projections about what prices will be.

“[Twenty thousand dollars] is a round number used by IRS for a hypothetical example,” the official wrote. “It is not an estimate of premiums for a bronze plan for a family of five in 2016.”

So far, no one knows exactly how much insurance plans on the exchanges will cost.

About how much are families paying now? (without ACA)

Most recently, the average annual premium for employer-sponsored coverage for a family of four reached $15,745 in 2012 — up 4 percent from 2011 — according to a survey (http://www.kff.org/insurance/ehbs091112nr.cfm) conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Health Research & Educational Trust. On average, workers paid $4,316 toward the cost of their coverage, while employers covered the remainder.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/obamacare-to-cost-20000-a-family/

The cost of health care isn't ACA's fault. It's the predatory, hyper-greedy, wealth-sucking health care industry.

[RandomGuy]

IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-cheapest-obamacare-plan-will-be-20000-family)

That is about how much it costs for a family of four. Why does this shock you?

[Wild Cobra]

That is about how much it costs for a family of four. Why does this shock you?

I didn't say it shocked me. I just thought it was an interesting link, so I posted it.

Regardless of what it costs, the link points out an interesting take from the IRS.

[ChumpDumper]

So your OP was interestingly full of shit.

[Th'Pusher]

I didn't say it shocked me. I just thought it was an interesting link, so I posted it.

Regardless of what it costs, the link points out an interesting take from the IRS.
Maybe he was confused by the eight $ symbols you put in the thread title :greedy

[Clipper Nation]

The cost of health care isn't ACA's fault. It's the predatory, hyper-greedy, wealth-sucking health care industry.


According to you, any business that turns a profit is predatory, hyper-greedy, and wealth-sucking :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I didn't say it shocked me. I just thought it was an interesting link, so I posted it.

Regardless of what it costs, the link points out an interesting take from the IRS.

And WC dissembling out of his ass again. $$I put dollar signs like this because its interesting$$

[FuzzyLumpkins]

According to you, any business that turns a profit is predatory, hyper-greedy, and wealth-sucking :lol

Be that as it may the description of the hospital and insurance cartels is pretty apt.

[kamikazi_player]

So your OP was interestingly full of shit.
Not surprising coming from a shit poster like Wild Cobra

[ElNono]

According to you, any business that turns a profit is predatory, hyper-greedy, and wealth-sucking :lol

To be fair, government already regulates and caps prices on certain services that it deems essential to people (ie: public utilities). Most every other country already figured out that health-services need to be part of that group.

[boutons_deux]

SC Confederates pushing for nullification

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/John_C_Calhoun-233x300.jpg

Showdown In South Carolina Senate Could Rob Thousands Of Their Health Insurance (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/06/04/2099461/showdown-in-south-carolina-senate-could-rob-thousands-of-their-health-insurance/)

the most troubling is a proposal to refund any taxpayer required to pay a tax penalty under the Affordable Care Act for failing to carry insurance. What the federal government taketh, under this provision, the state of South Carolina giveth back.

The South Carolina bill, however would remove the second piece of this process by taking away South Carolinian’s financial incentive to buy insurance before they get sick. The result, if this provision takes effect, would be catastrophic for everyone currently in the individual health insurance market. Beginning in the 1990s, seven different states passed laws requiring insurers to cover all comers without also passing an Obamacare-style mandate. It ended in disaster every time (http://aca-litigation.wikispaces.com/file/view/AAPD+amicus+%2811-398%29.pdf). Some people saw their premiums rise 350 percent. Others lost access to individual insurance plans entirely.

Should the South Carolina bill become law, it is likely the courts will strike it down under a constitutional doctrine prohibiting state laws that “stand . . . as an obstacle to the accomplishment and execution of the full purposes and objectives of Congress (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/04/26/1926181/south-carolina-house-passes-insidious-new-form-of-obamacare-nullification/).”


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/06/04/2099461/showdown-in-south-carolina-senate-could-rob-thousands-of-their-health-insurance/

btw, SC's Old Lesbian Graham thinks the military should continue its disastrous policy of letting the chain of command handle sexual assaults rather than outsiders. SC, what a joke.

[boutons_deux]

The Other Reason Medicare Is Getting Stronger (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/06/06/2112861/medicare-getting-stronger/)


The federal government banned almost 15,000 fraudsters (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/05/medicare-revoking-providers-billing-fraud/2393561/) from billing Medicare in just the last two years, new data (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/05/medicare-revoking-providers-billing-fraud/2393561/) from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) finds — over a two-fold increase from the two years before that.

The crackdown is a consequence of Obamacare anti-fraud provisions and may be part of the reason that Medicare’s trustees recently projected (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/05/31/2086811/medicare-report-program-stronger/) that it will be solvent for two full years past what they originally believed.

Medicare providers can defraud elderly Americans on the program through shoddy practices such as “upcoding (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/04/16/1875041/doctors-unnecessary-tests/)” the cost of their services, self-referring patients for unnecessary tests and procedures, and even stealing seniors’ Medicare beneficiary numbers to profit off of their government health coverage.

Anti-fraud provisions in Obamacare seek to end that status quo. The reform law allows HHS and the Justice Department to home in on potential Medicare fraudsters by analyzing data that indicates fraudulent behavior. The government has concentrated its policing efforts on regions that have histories of Medicare fraud (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/05/medicare-revoking-providers-billing-fraud/2393561/).

Government officials were helped in large part by elderly Americans on Medicare who reported suspicious activity — also something that is encouraged by the health law (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/09/25/902751/consumers-crusade-medical-fraud/). About 45,000 phone calls about possible fraud were made to the Medicare hotline (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/05/medicare-revoking-providers-billing-fraud/2393561/) last year alone.

The one-two punch of sifting through Medicare claims data for signs of fraud and enlisting seniors as whistle-blowers against fraudsters has paid off. Thursday’s new figures indicate that the government recovered (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/05/medicare-revoking-providers-billing-fraud/2393561/) $14.9 billion in Medicare fraud money over the past four years.

While that top line number is a drop in the bucket compared to Medicare’s $3 trillion budget, it obscures the true long-term savings of the anti-fraud efforts. The increasing frequency with which doctors, nurses, and providers are being banned from billing Medicare strengthens the underlying entitlement, since most major perpetrators of Medicare fraud (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/05/medicare-revoking-providers-billing-fraud/2393561/) are repeat and volume offenders. Now, they’ll be cut out of the system entirely.

That’s likely one reason that the Medicare Trustees concluded the program’s hospital insurance trust fund will be fully solvent through 2026 (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/05/31/2086811/medicare-report-program-stronger/). That’s two more years than they projected just last year, and over a decade longer than what the trustees predicted in 2009 before the passage of the Affordable Care Act.

The Obama administration plans to offer consumers further incentives to report fraud in the coming days. A new proposed rule would raise (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/05/medicare-revoking-providers-billing-fraud/2393561/) the potential government reward for Americans who report Medicare fraud from $10,000 to almost $10 million.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/06/06/2112861/medicare-getting-stronger/

Barry should offer similar incentives for whistleblowers in the financial industry.

[BobaFett1]

boutons_deux if you want socialism move to fINLAND.

[boutons_deux]

boutons_deux if you want socialism move to fINLAND.

BubbaFart is pro-Medicare fraud. GFY