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CubanMustGo
07-13-2005, 05:01 PM
Hard to believe ... except that where Pat Riley's ego is involved, nothing is impossible. The South Florida Sun-Sentinel thinks it's a possibility:

`Right now,' Van Gundy is Heat coach
-- Ira Winderman
Posted July 12 2005

LONG BEACH, Calif. ˇ Heat coach Stan Van Gundy was vague Monday about his future with the team.

Since Heat President Pat Riley said he plans to take "a little bit more of an active participation" in the coaching process this season, Van Gundy's status has been at issue over the past month.

"Right now, I'm coach of the Miami Heat," Van Gundy said when asked about his status for opening night this fall. "I won't be in a different role with the Miami Heat."

Van Gundy declined to discuss whether he had sought a clarification of his role from Riley. He also said he was not aware of broadcast comments from his brother, Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy, saying Riley should be more definitive in his plans for Stan.

"Let's say no comment on all of that," Stan Van Gundy said before watching the Heat's summer team play a similar unit from the Dallas Mavericks in the Southern California Summer Pro League. "I don't think there's anything else I can really say."

The Heat advanced to Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals last month before blowing a late fourth-quarter lead against the Detroit Pistons.

and ...

SKOLNICK: Riley needs to put out the fire he started
Published July 13, 2005

If Pat Riley really did not recognize the flammability of a semi-provocative statement during a slow sports time, at least the Heat president has considerable experience extinguishing such fires.

So why hasn't he?

This is a man so word-conscious that, a decade after saying he "envisioned" a parade, he reminded a reporter that he had never actually "promised" one.

So why hasn't he clearly, definitively, angrily, and -- here's the key -- publicly said that Stan Van Gundy is the Heat coach for the foreseeable future? Why hasn't he listed reasons for that decision, however obvious: Van Gundy winning 101 games with two different rosters and styles, preparing his team exhaustively, rarely slipping against underdogs, and rising within a rib strain and thigh bruise of the NBA Finals? Why was Van Gundy vague about his status Monday? Why did Van Gundy's brother, Jeff, recently say strange things on WFAN, like "Stan deserves an answer" and should be given time to "hook on with another team" if the Heat doesn't want him?

At first, this controversy appeared short on credence. Even after Riley suggested June 17 he might take a more "active participation" while again speaking wistfully of coaching, the frenzied reaction seemed just a time-killing, logic-twisting, mind-numbing media obsession borne of summer boredom. "Active participation," after all, could have simply and innocuously meant serving as a sounding board for players and coaches. As such, you could understand Riley's refusal to grant subsequent sensational inquiries the dignity of thorough on-the-record responses. Further, you could understand why he wouldn't rule out any option, to avoid being accused of breaking his word if unforeseen circumstances someday warranted sideline change.

Mostly, you had to assume Riley had reassured his protégé in private.

Now we're weeks past "at first."

So is this, at last, resolved?

If Van Gundy is vague about his status? If Alonzo Mourning is saying on 760-AM Tuesday that he didn't know who would coach, but that the Heat couldn't go wrong with either?

Shouldn't they be clear, even if we're not?

While Riley's handling has been vexing, the public has responded predictably to the obvious question:

Would it be reasonable and forgivable for Riley to shove his long-time loyalist aside, now that the roster is more attractive than when he quit in October of 2003?

Of course it wouldn't be. It would be ego-driven treachery of the greatest degree. But fans and media usually side with the bigger name, so many have found a convenient rationalization to answer that question affirmatively: "Riley, as team president, must do whatever he deems in the best interests of the franchise."

Yet, why are they so certain it is in the franchise's best interests for Riley to coach?

Could there be wisdom in the current structure, with Riley focusing on supporting and equipping Van Gundy?

Could Van Gundy actually be the better coaching choice for this team at this time?

Yes, he could. Forget the pedigrees and the presentation, and consider that.

Van Gundy lost Game 7 on his home floor. Still, no one called for change when Riley lost deciding games at home in 1998, 1999 and 2000. While those Heat rosters were not as talented, Riley wasn't coaching against defending champions.

Van Gundy has made some curious in-game decisions and does not claim the strategic and motivational expertise of his master mentor. This, however, is about a process, not a single game. The locker room is far looser now, for the better. The young, athletic, quicker-paced players get more rope. Many have questioned why Van Gundy sat Dwyane Wade for the final minute of the 2004 postseason. Ask this instead: would the rookie Wade, with his defensive deficiencies, have played enough under Riley for the Heat to get that far? Would Riley have allowed go-go guards Rafer Alston and Keyon Dooling to fill critical roles? And, with a need for more athleticism in support of Shaquille O'Neal, would Riley be sufficiently patient with Qyntel Woods and Dorell Wright now?

Van Gundy's "pedal to the metal" philosophy can exasperate, such as when Wade gets garbage minutes in winter blowouts of the Clippers. This season, when the Heat clinches its soft division, it would be best if he let O'Neal escape to some remote island, far from stray knees. But who set the organizational agenda? You know who.

Van Gundy, a screamer, could channel more criticism toward his stars (as Spurs coach Gregg Popovich does) rather than role guys such as Udonis Haslem and Rasual Butler. But this controversy has only served to undermine the authority required to do that.

The story, strangely, still breathes, feeds, burns.

Extinguish it, Pat Riley.

Unless you'd rather not.

Marcus Bryant
07-13-2005, 05:07 PM
S not J.

CubanMustGo
07-13-2005, 05:09 PM
:bang D'oh! Sorry 'bout that.

ShoogarBear
07-13-2005, 05:11 PM
LMAO. Riles must be jealous of all the ego-press Larry Brown and PhilJax have been getting recently.

Willinsa
07-13-2005, 06:25 PM
I don't understand how Ron Jeremy has time to make porno movies and coach the heat. That guy is awesome.

drivanroca
07-13-2005, 07:38 PM
I don't understand how Ron Jeremy has time to make porno movies and coach the heat. That guy is awesome.


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :elephant :elephant :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

PM5K
07-14-2005, 11:41 AM
I don't understand how Ron Jeremy has time to make porno movies and coach the heat. That guy is awesome.

QFT

Spurologist
07-14-2005, 01:19 PM
Pat Riley must be reading one of the chapters in phil's book. "When and how to take over a team when you know they can compete for a ring."

Dos
07-14-2005, 04:28 PM
I heard on FSR this morning that it was actually shaq who was demanding this change.
Did anybody else hear the same thing?

thekingrobert
07-15-2005, 05:48 PM
How dirty is it for Pat Riley to boot SVG and take over the sidelines once again when he couldnt win with the same heat that SVG won with damn shame

TheTruth
07-15-2005, 06:00 PM
Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Fucking Dirty!

thekingrobert
07-15-2005, 06:07 PM
i live in miami and thats what the news say

Brutalis
07-15-2005, 06:21 PM
Apparently the Heats' management is under the influence too. Why would they even let it happen with the success they've had.

It's ignorant stuff like this you'd never see along side the name, Spurs.

Trainwreck2100
07-15-2005, 06:39 PM
At least Ron Jeremy gets his stunt double back.

SequSpur
07-15-2005, 06:40 PM
Nice, the 3rd best team in the league is fucking collapsing!

Sweet!

TheTruth
07-15-2005, 06:56 PM
what sequ said.

strangeweather
07-15-2005, 07:08 PM
I can't believe how dumb that is.

So who do you figure goes after SVG if he hits the market?

Kori Ellis
07-16-2005, 04:25 PM
Riley insists he has no plans to coach Heat

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-heat0716,0,1094302.story?coll=sfla-sports-front

By Ira Winderman
Staff Writer
Posted July 16 2005, 5:14 PM EDT


Pat Riley stressed Saturday that he has no designs on Stan Van Gundy's job as a means of returning to coaching.

"I would quit my job before I would dismiss Stan Van Gundy as the head coach simply because I wanted to coach. Period. That's not me," Riley said in a phone interview. "Anybody who knows me, knows that I wouldn't do that for the sake of me wanting to get back into the job."

But in his role as team president, Riley also said he reserves the right to make such a change.

"I would dismiss my brother or anybody in the organization if I felt things weren't going right," he said. "That's my job as the president."

Hoping to put an end to speculation that his return to the Heat bench was imminent, Riley praised Van Gundy for his leadership of the team the past two seasons, which included coming with two minutes of this season's NBA Finals.

"He's done an absolutely great job," said Riley, who moved into a full-time front office position on the eve of the 2003-04 season, after eight years as Heat coach. "I don't know what I have to do, get down on my knees and point my fingers to the sky to say that he's done a great job? Everybody knows he's done a great job and it's my intention to continue to make sure I continue to support him in that."

Riley said that support will immediately become more evident.

"I'm not a president who has worked his way through the ranks as an international scout or as a player director of personnel, or somebody who has never been on the floor," Riley said. "I happen to be a president with 22 years of coaching experience, so I know what goes on. I would think that anybody would want to listen.

"When I made that statement that I want to get more involved with some of the things that are going on with the basketball program, it's not a shot at Stan. That's me wanting to get involved, at a time, not from coaching standpoint, at a time when we have a great opportunity for a championship. And I think I have the kind of experience that I could add to that. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. And I don't think I should be condemned for that. It's my job."

In essence, that could mean a return to more of a rigid Riley culture, one with a well-defined code of conduct both on and off the court.

"We're at a stage with this franchise where we have put together a team where the challenge is greater than it's ever been," Riley said. "And I want to make sure that people are vigilant about all the things in the last 10 years that I've created in this culture, to continue on that same path, to make that happen. So I will be more actively involved in just about everything."

Riley said the only coaching change he has viewed as necessary is the one that put Van Gundy in place two seasons ago.

"I've already made one change," he said. "Nobody talks about that. I made a change. I stepped down and moved Stan in."

Riley spoke in the wake of last week's comments on ESPN from former Heat television analyst Jack Ramsay that a Heat coaching shuffle was imminent.

"What he said is absolutely unconscionable," Riley said. "There's no truth to that at all. And if there's a high-ranking, gutless official in the Heat organization that gave him that piece of information, it is an absolute lie."

Riley said he has yet to meet with Van Gundy about specifics of his increased involvement.

"I haven't had that meeting yet with him, because I've been rather busy over the last six weeks," Riley said. "I didn't think it was essential right now in the middle of July to have that kind of meeting. I will have a meeting with Stan about the coming season, about the theme, about what he has in mind, about how he looks at it, about his thoughts about last year, about personnel. That's what we do.

"I've been accused of leaving Stan twisting in the air. I haven't left him twisting in the air. I've communicated to him. Who's left him twisting in the air is the media constantly keeping this thing alive."

Riley said neither his players nor owner Micky Arison have pushed for a coaching change.

"(Arison) has not weighed in on this in any way, shape or form," Riley said. "He does not like it. He's uncomfortable with everything that is going on. But it's my call on all decisions until he makes a call on me."

boutons
07-16-2005, 09:33 PM
"riley and shaq"

.... Shaq 1999-2004, maybe, but Shaq 2006? I think Shaq well down the slippery slope and won't be coming back up.

Kori Ellis
07-18-2005, 06:45 PM
Van Gundy meets with Riley
Assocaited Press

Stan Van Gundy is still the coach of the Miami Heat, and that apparently won't change anytime soon.

Van Gundy said that he and team president Pat Riley met for 3{˝ hours on Sunday, during which Van Gundy was assured that "I will be coaching the Miami Heat this coming season."

But Van Gundy acknowledged on a call with Heat beat writers Monday that he was a bit unsettled by rumors suggesting Riley -- who coached in the NBA for 21 seasons, including from 1995-2003 with Miami -- wanted his old job back and was ready to push his former top assistant aside.

"I feel much more confident in the situation,'' Van Gundy said. "It was a good meeting; we discussed a lot of things. I feel more confident in my job and where he is coming from. A lot of things were cleared up. From my standpoint, it was a good meeting and I'm certainly in a much better frame of mind.''

Riley said Saturday that he "would quit my job before I would dismiss Stan Van Gundy as the head coach simply because I wanted to coach,'' and again lauded the work his former top assistant has done.

Van Gundy, who took the job two years ago after Riley's sudden and unexpected resignation, is 101-63 in two regular seasons. He took the Heat to the Eastern Conference semifinals in 2003-04, then guided Miami to within one win of the NBA Finals this past season -- the best showing in franchise history.

Still, the offseason has not been a harmonious one for the Heat. There's a contract to work out with Shaquille O'Neal, decisions to make on free agents Damon Jones and Keyon Dooling, a few other likely ancillary roster moves -- and looming over it all has been the coaching question.

It stemmed from what seemed like an innocuous comment at the time, Riley saying on June 17 that he "may take a little bit more of an active participation'' in things this coming season.

What that means still isn't clear -- not even to Van Gundy.

"He hasn't decided how that will manifest itself and I think we'll have to see how that goes as it comes,'' Van Gundy said.

Van Gundy said the two discussed basketball philosophy during the meeting, the current makeup of the roster and the challenge of getting to that elusive championship level -- and the tone was always positive.

"He's a very knowledgeable guy with a great background in the game,'' Van Gundy said. "There are a number of ways where he can have a positive influence on the team. It certainly wouldn't be for me to decide what his role would be. I'm not his boss. He's mine.''

Money316
07-18-2005, 09:34 PM
It's a lot easier to coach a team when you have a couple of superstars on it. Right Phil?

Kobe and Shaq daddy didnt win shit until Phil brought his karma to town. :hat

Money316
07-18-2005, 09:37 PM
It's a lot easier to coach a team when you have a couple of superstars on it. Right Phil?

Kobe and Shaq daddy didnt win shit until the following year when Phil brought karma to the Lakers, winning a championship. Sorry but coaching is critical!
:smokin

xcoriate
07-18-2005, 09:55 PM
Pat Riley must be reading one of the chapters in phil's book. "When and how to take over a team when you know they can compete for a ring."

Apparently that chapter was co-authored by Pop

Spursdaone
07-18-2005, 11:55 PM
I am tired of hearing this stupid rumor. They keep talking about it but Riley hasn't admit anything. Until this actually happens the media should give it a rest.