21 Second chance points on 6 offensive rebounds.

[mrjap2x]

How did that happen?

[nkdlunch]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...er-game-1-loss

LeBron: "That's kind of weird. I don't understand this. Am I right, or am I wrong?"

James, who was busting out of a stylish, green collared shirt, made note of the boxscore reading that his opponent had registered 21 second-chance points. He found that odd, considering that the San Antonio Spurs had grabbed only six offensive rebounds while defeating the Miami Heat 92-88.

According to the MVP, who makes it known that he is "very good at math," the only way to get a second-chance point is off an offensive rebound. Even if the Spurs turned all six of them into three pointers, that would equal just 18 points.

While James does not have a college degree, it appears the arithmetic teachers at St. Vincent-St. Mary High School did not allow him to pass through the cracks. James is a well-spoken, intelligent, and apparently mathematically sufficient, man.

Per Howard Beck's story for the New York Times, the Spurs did indeed tally 21 second-chance points. While the boxscores of ESPN.com and NBA.com do not reveal that statistic, they do assure that the Spurs only managed six offensive boards.

James wasn't complaining about the contradiction, but rather having some fun with it. He answered questions about the game, Tony Parker's final shot and what went wrong. His entire press conference went fairly smoothly, but James showed us a fun side with the second-chance points debate.

[nkdlunch]

I read somewhere 2nd chance points also count when u get your shot blocked or deflected out of bounds.

IMO that's what probably happened

Funny that Lebron was completely baffled and it was a pretty funny scene

[TrueSpursFan]

Anyone have the answer to this conundrum?

[GSH]

I read somewhere 2nd chance points also count when u get your shot blocked or deflected out of bounds.

IMO that's what probably happened

Funny that Lebron was completely baffled and it was a pretty funny scene


Every missed shot must be "rebounded". So a shot blocked out of bounds is scored as a team rebound for the offensive team, since they retain possession after a missed shot. Same with an airball that is recovered by the offensive team. So if Neal jacks up an airball from the 3P line, and Tim catches it and puts it in, it would be scored as a missed shot, a team rebound, and 2 second-chance points on Tim's made shot.

[TrueSpursFan]

Every missed shot must be "rebounded". So a shot blocked out of bounds is scored as a team rebound for the offensive team, since they retain possession after a missed shot. Same with an airball that is recovered by the offensive team. So if Neal jacks up an airball from the 3P line, and Tim catches it and puts it in, it would be scored as a missed shot, a team rebound, and 2 second-chance points on Tim's made shot.

if that was the case, the box scores say we had 6 offensive rebounds so maybe it doesn't show up as a rebound but a second chance attempt.

[GSH]

if that was the case, the box scores say we had 6 offensive rebounds so maybe it doesn't show up as a rebound but a second chance attempt.

Look at the box score on the NBA website. Down at the very bottom of the Spurs' section (next to the team shooting %), it says "Team Rebs: 10". We had 6 offensive boards, and the scorer credited 10 team rebounds (those are in addition to the ones credited to individuals). Obviously, some of those team rebounds let to points, and those would technically be second chance points. Remember, team rebounds come as the result of a missed shot attempt. So if the Spurs score on that same possession, they would be second chance points.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Add out of bounds plays after shot has been taken as counting as team rebounds. 10 team rebounds including offensive rebounds are enough to generate 21 second chance points.

[GSH]

Add out of bounds plays after shot has been taken as counting as team rebounds. 10 team rebounds including offensive rebounds are enough to generate 21 second chance points.

It's 10 team rebounds PLUS the 6 offensive boards. All of the offensive rebounds are credited to an individual player. None of the team rebounds are. So they are two totally different things.


But you're right. If the Spurs miss a shot, and Miami deflects the ball out of bounds, instead of grabbing it, San Antonio retains possession of the ball. It's scored as a missed shot, and a team rebound. If the Spurs score after that, it's two second chance points.

[siraulo23]

^ lebron didnt know that apparently and neither did the media

[Spursfanfromafar]

It's 10 team rebounds PLUS the 6 offensive boards. All of the offensive rebounds are credited to an individual player. None of the team rebounds are. So they are two totally different things.


But you're right. If the Spurs miss a shot, and Miami deflects the ball out of bounds, instead of grabbing it, San Antonio retains possession of the ball. It's scored as a missed shot, and a team rebound. If the Spurs score after that, it's two second chance points.

Yes. I meant to say "plus" by "including". Should have phrased it better.

[GSH]

^ lebron didnt know that apparently and neither did the media

I hear media and commentators get rules wrong all the time. Like, "That has to be a blocking foul, because the defender's feet weren't set." Earlier in the playoffs, I heard Jeff Van Gundy calling for a clear path foul, because a guy got fouled from behind, even though there was another defender who was well ahead of the ball handler on the court. I'm not surprised when a lot of media people don't know the rules, but it does kind of shock me when ex-players and coaches don't know them.

[Mr. Body]

A missed free throw is a team rebound, btw. It's a weird stat.

[Kidd K]

I read somewhere 2nd chance points also count when u get your shot blocked or deflected out of bounds.

IMO that's what probably happened

Funny that Lebron was completely baffled and it was a pretty funny scene

You mean this? :P


Just like how LeBron couldn't figure out how the Spurs has 21 second chance points and only 6 offensive rebounds in his post game interview. Because, you know, it's impossible for the ball to be blocked the recovered (not a rebound), or for the shot to miss then go off a Heat player on the rebound and go back to the Spurs.

But yeah, those do count as 2nd chance points, and it's funny LeBron and the media didn't know that. It's embarrassing LeBron thought it was impossible for a team to get the ball back after a missed shot without collecting a rebound.

[Captivus]

Every time Bonner scores is a "second chance point"...sometimes even a "third, fourth...". Until Pop stop giving this guy chances....

[TrueSpursFan]

Look at the box score on the NBA website. Down at the very bottom of the Spurs' section (next to the team shooting %), it says "Team Rebs: 10". We had 6 offensive boards, and the scorer credited 10 team rebounds (those are in addition to the ones credited to individuals). Obviously, some of those team rebounds let to points, and those would technically be second chance points. Remember, team rebounds come as the result of a missed shot attempt. So if the Spurs score on that same possession, they would be second chance points.

Ah got it thanks, makes sense now

[Chinook]

It was great that he made such a big deal about it. It'd been one thing for him to have said it in passing, as I'm sure it's easy to forget something in the glare of a press conference. But for him to keep at it was pretty hilarious.

[coyotes_geek]

Every missed shot must be "rebounded". So a shot blocked out of bounds is scored as a team rebound for the offensive team, since they retain possession after a missed shot. Same with an airball that is recovered by the offensive team. So if Neal jacks up an airball from the 3P line, and Tim catches it and puts it in, it would be scored as a missed shot, a team rebound, and 2 second-chance points on Tim's made shot.

That would be an offensive rebound for Tim, not a team rebound. A team rebound scenario would be Neal jacks up an airball and a Miami player fumbles the ball out of bounds trying to rebound it. The Spurs retain possession, which counts as a team rebound. If they inbound the ball and score, those are second chance points.

[Warlord23]

Whatever be the case, we can't count on getting second opportunities on Neal's bricks throughout the series. Problem is if Pop plays Neal, those bricks are almost inevitable. Who would've guessed that out of NDC, CJ and Neal, Gary would be the one who Pop trusts most off the bench. But I digress ...

[coyotes_geek]

Here's a breakdown of the Spurs 2nd chance points

Q1 7:26 to 7:16 Duncan miss --> Offensive team rebound (OTR) --> Parker 2pt FG
Q1 4:56 to 4:50 Duncan miss --> OTR --> Green 3pt
Q2 7:11 to 6:48 Neal miss --> Duncan OR --> Green 3pt
Q2 4:16 to 4:13 Green miss --> Duncan OR --> Duncan 2pt
Q2 2:08 to 1:59 Ginobili miss --> OTR --> Duncan 2pt
Q3 2:18 to 2:02 Ginobili miss --> Leonard OR --> Neal 3pt
Q3 0:15 to 0:03 Leonard miss --> Splitter OR --> Manu fouled & hits 2 free throws
Q4 7:01 Neal miss -->Leonard OR --> Leonard 2pt tip-in
Q4 5:30 to 5:28 Leonard miss --> Duncan OR --> Duncan 2pt tip-in

21 2nd chance points, 14 off of Player offensive rebounds, 7 off of OTR's

Pretty impressive.

[hater]

ah thanks

[Beaverfuzz]

Lebron might know math, but he doesn't know the NBA rulebook.

[GSH]

Here's a breakdown of the Spurs 2nd chance points

Q1 7:26 to 7:16 Duncan miss --> Offensive team rebound (OTR) --> Parker 2pt FG
Q1 4:56 to 4:50 Duncan miss --> OTR --> Green 3pt
Q2 7:11 to 6:48 Neal miss --> Duncan OR --> Green 3pt
Q2 4:16 to 4:13 Green miss --> Duncan OR --> Duncan 2pt
Q2 2:08 to 1:59 Ginobili miss --> OTR --> Duncan 2pt
Q3 2:18 to 2:02 Ginobili miss --> Leonard OR --> Neal 3pt
Q3 0:15 to 0:03 Leonard miss --> Splitter OR --> Manu fouled & hits 2 free throws
Q4 7:01 Neal miss -->Leonard OR --> Leonard 2pt tip-in
Q4 5:30 to 5:28 Leonard miss --> Duncan OR --> Duncan 2pt tip-in

21 2nd chance points, 14 off of Player offensive rebounds, 7 off of OTR's

Pretty impressive.


Very nice. Thanks. What's incredible is that the Spurs got 14 points off of the 6 Player offensive rebounds. Better than 2 points per offensive board. Damn.

And that Leonard tip-in at 7:01 was awesome.