Tony Parker..

[HarlemHeat37]

Obviously we're homers here, but a serious question..

- Is Tony Parker the most under-appreciated player, in relation to his own generation, of all-time?..

- Is Tony Parker the best PG of the post-Jordan NBA?..

[davidbowie]

top 3 player in the nba

[BatManu20]

I'll answer this after this series.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Yes. Even spurfans under appreciate him at times.

As for the best point A.J (after jordan) I have no idea, he's up there though.

[313]

He's better than Kidd and Nash. And he's accomplished more.
Those are really the two goto pgs people name.
I think we can all agree he's better than the current top PGs (rose, cp3, westbrook, rondo etc)

So, yes.

It's debatable before he developed a JS though.

[Chomag]

I think so but he has hurt his own case with his past of disappearing in the playoffs.

Hes looking pretty damn good right now though.

[Darius McCrary]

Parker had mediocre playoffs (for SpurFan expectations ) for 2 spurs championships (his most clutch move in the 05 run was defending Rip Hamilton in the closing seconds of The Horry Game), and he's had to make up for hit the rest of his career.

[capek]

To add a little perspective, this is the first year where Tony has been able to consistent get his team wins. Consistently, all year, he's carried the Spurs to wins in tough ball games. It's taken him a while to get there, and before this season that is something we've all questioned whether he'd ever get to that level. He's been really good for many years, but this year the difference between him and even all-world greats like Lebron and Durant was nominal. He's always been under-rated, but to give the media credit, they've been talking him up this year, so at least he's getting his due when he's most deserving. I think, considering all he's accomplished, he's right up there in the upper echelon of best players of his generation, because of his consistency and the improvements he's made to his game every season.

If I put myself back 5 years or so, I never would have allowed myself to believe Tony would reach these heights. Legit top three player in the league, who can take over games and will his team to wins (IN THE FINALS!). So fucking impressive. From DRob to Timmy to Tony, so damn impressive :cry

[MannyIsGod]

To add a little perspective, this is the first year where Tony has been able to consistent get his team wins. Consistently, all year, he's carried the Spurs to wins in tough ball games. It's taken him a while to get there, and before this season that is something we've all questioned whether he'd ever get to that level. He's been really good for many years, but this year the difference between him and even all-world greats like Lebron and Durant was nominal. He's always been under-rated, but to give the media credit, they've been talking him up this year, so at least he's getting his due when he's most deserving. I think, considering all he's accomplished, he's right up there in the upper echelon of best players of his generation, because of his consistency and the improvements he's made to his game every season.

If I put myself back 5 years or so, I never would have allowed myself to believe Tony would reach these heights. Legit top three player in the league, who can take over games and will his team to wins (IN THE FINALS!). So fucking impressive. From DRob to Timmy to Tony, so damn impressive :cry

I stopped reading after the first line because it was such total bullshit I figured the rest of the post was worthless too.

[DPG21920]

TP is stunting on all yall right now. I'm just so appreciative of this team. World's difference to me in the fight in this team compared to last year. Just an amazing run and TP is getting wellllllllllllllllllllllll overdue respect.

[100%duncan]

He's the best player behind Bron right now.

[MannyIsGod]

Yup. Tony Parker has ALWAYS been the "other" member of the big 3. Even after the Finals MVP. I remember when people ranked Deron Williams over him. How's that working out for those pundits? I hope tonight was the first step into Tony's 2nd Finals MVP trophy.

I won't say he's the best PG in the NBA though. I really wonder what Chris Paul would do in this system and with this team. I really don't think he'd do worse than Tony. But, the fact remains that Tony is the one in that situation and he's gotten things done so maybe thats enough to put him over the top?

[nkdlunch]

#2 Spurs player ever IMO

yes above DRob and Ice

[Johnsyounger]

1. Lebron 2. KD. 3. TP .... But the debate is pointless. Takes a TEAM to win. Reason the Spurs have been successful.

[spurraider21]

Parker and Billups are the only point guards to win Finals MVP since Isaiah Thomas. If (I know its crazy premature) but if we win this thing and TP gets finals MVP, he will be the only PG with multiple finals MVP's besides Magic

[mercos]

Tony Parker is definitely one of the most under-appreciated stars of his era. If he were playing in New York or LA he would be one of the biggest stars in the league. As for best point guard post-Jordan, its between him or Jason Kidd in my eyes. People forget how good Kidd was on both sides of the ball. He was one of the best ever. But with one Finals MVP already under his belt, and a good start on a second, Parker is right there with him.

[capek]

I stopped reading after the first line because it was such total bullshit I figured the rest of the post was worthless too.

Where the fuck have you been the last 10 years then? The one major knock on Parker has always been his consistency. This is the first season that you couldn't apply that criticism to his game. Don't know how anyone could deny that perfectly obvious observation. :wakeup

[DPG21920]

Where the fuck have you been the last 10 years then? The one major knock on Parker has always been his consistency. This is the first season that you couldn't apply that criticism to his game. Don't know how anyone could deny that perfectly obvious observation. :wakeup

TP has had some rough moments, no doubt. He's done an admirable job as the first option for long stretches, even before this year, but has had some short comings exposed. That doesn't mean he has not been under appreciated and that this year he hasn't shut basically everyone (including myself at times) up.

[Bill_Brasky]

Tony Parker is rare in that he continues to improve every season....imagine if he keeps this level of play for a few more years....

[tesseractive]

Yup. Tony Parker has ALWAYS been the "other" member of the big 3. Even after the Finals MVP. I remember when people ranked Deron Williams over him. How's that working out for those pundits? I hope tonight was the first step into Tony's 2nd Finals MVP trophy.

I won't say he's the best PG in the NBA though. I really wonder what Chris Paul would do in this system and with this team. I really don't think he'd do worse than Tony. But, the fact remains that Tony is the one in that situation and he's gotten things done so maybe thats enough to put him over the top?
The only real knock I have on Chris Paul is that he's not always great for team chemistry. I mean, he likes harboring those little grudges of his, and they can be bad for his team.

The best point guards don't always have the most stats -- I mean, to look at Isiah Thomas's stats, you might wonder what all the fuss was about. But if you watch the games, he killed it leading those teams to the two titles.

This is year 3 of having a team built around Parker offensively. Year 1, we got shocked by Memphis. Year 2, we made it to the Conference Finals. Year 3, we're playing LeBron for the championship belt. Tony doesn't post the best stats ever, but he completely drives this team even on plays where he doesn't record an assist, and opposing teams have to game plan for him and he still manages to go wherever he wants, even in the playoffs.

If the Spurs don't win another game in these playoffs, I think it's still clear that Tony deserves Kobe's spot on the All-NBA First Team. If they win the title with this team built around him, I think he clenches 3rd best player in the NBA in a way that's too obvious for the national media to ignore.

Best post Jordan PGs, in some order:

Billups, Nash, Parker, Kidd, Paul

I think another finals MVP moves Parker to the top. If I could build a team around any guy on this list at their peak, I don't think even Nash was ever more dominant than Tony looks right now, and Tony can at least spell "defense".

[DPG21920]

As an aside - it's interesting that the "Tiago Splitter" trend has pretty much kept up. In the playoffs, In Spurs wins, Tiago has logged 25+ MPG (tonight 24+) and in Spurs losses, he's logged 13 or less.

[tesseractive]

Tony Parker is rare in that he continues to improve every season....imagine if he keeps this level of play for a few more years....
You mean like Billups, Nash, and Kidd all did when they peaked in their early to mid 30s? I don't think it's a crazy idea at all.

[DJB]

I think Derrick Rose/Kyrie Irving/CP3 could just as easily be as great if they joined the Spurs when they were 19... as for Westbrook: no, he's too stupid.

Basically what I'm trying to say is - I think a lot of Tony's greatness is mirrored by the greatness that he has around him (Pop/Tim/Manu.) Not to take anything away from him, but I feel TP has really become a true point guard over the past 4-5 seasons and his career assist #s show that.

[therealtruth]

TP's kryptonite has always been longer defenders and being consistent after teams make that switch. He's been kind of dependent on other guys stepping up when that happens which is not what you want out of your mvp.

[therealtruth]

Where the fuck have you been the last 10 years then? The one major knock on Parker has always been his consistency. This is the first season that you couldn't apply that criticism to his game. Don't know how anyone could deny that perfectly obvious observation. :wakeup

Good point. Great players are really defined by their consistency.

[midnightpulp]

Obviously we're homers here, but a serious question..

- Is Tony Parker the most under-appreciated player, in relation to his own generation, of all-time?..

- Is Tony Parker the best PG of the post-Jordan NBA?..

1. Pau Gasol

2. No. Chris Paul. Other candidates are Steve Nash (I know, I know) and Jason Kidd. I agree that if this version of Tony Parker was present for the past 5 or 6 years, then yes, he would be the best PG of his generation. But it wasn't. Previously, we've only been treated to flashes of what Parker is capable of. He would always threaten to break through into the "superstar" tier with a great regular season and a big playoff game(s) and then fade later on. Since the Memphis series, he hasn't "faded." He's put up 5 straight superstar worthy performances against very good competition that features some of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA.

He's arrived. And if he closes this series out with a good performance (he doesn't even have to win the Finals MVP), you can make a compelling argument that he's the best PG of his generation. I probably wouldn't buy it since Chris Paul has never played alongside anyone near as good as Tim Duncan or Manu Ginobili and hasn't had the luxury of playing for a coach like Gregg Popovich, but I'd definitely put him ahead of his other contemporaries.

[MannyIsGod]

Where the fuck have you been the last 10 years then? The one major knock on Parker has always been his consistency. This is the first season that you couldn't apply that criticism to his game. Don't know how anyone could deny that perfectly obvious observation. :wakeup

Go read what you typed and tell me that in the 3rd year in a row that Parker has been the center of this team how it makes any damn sense. I didn't say he'd been this good for 10 years but there's a reason he's been mentioned in the MVP talk for 3 years in a row. Where have I been? HA.

[capek]

TP has had some rough moments, no doubt. He's done an admirable job as the first option for long stretches, even before this year, but has had some short comings exposed. That doesn't mean he has not been under appreciated and that this year he hasn't shut basically everyone (including myself at times) up.

I wouldn't disagree with any of that. He's been a great player for years, but this year he's been fucking elite. I've been mentioning this fact all year long, going back to December there was a stretch of games where it was the Tony Parker show in the 4th quarter of games, game after game after game, Spurs needed a basket, Tony got it. Spurs fans were always spoiled seeing Duncan do that with such consistency, they expected it from Parker as well, hence the hating directed Parker's way over the years. But this is the first year you can genuinely make that link, DRob>Duncan>Parker, and it's a fucking thing of beauty as a Spurs fan and the reason we're 1-0 in the finals. And seeing this back in December, it's the reason I thought we could actually be here in June. In TP I trust. :tu

[capek]

Go read what you typed and tell me that in the 3rd year in a row that Parker has been the center of this team how it makes any damn sense. I didn't say he'd been this good for 10 years but there's a reason he's been mentioned in the MVP talk for 3 years in a row. Where have I been? HA.

There's a difference between being the best player on a good team by default, because everyone else has fallen off, and doing what Tony did this year. You're on an island here buddy, nobody who's not a moron could take issue with anything I said.

[MannyIsGod]

Part of the problem is that the Spurs fan baseline for greatness is the type of consistency that Tim Duncan has. Most Spurs fans don't have a clue as to how rare that is. Its that kind of myopia that makes them think Tony's not great.

[MannyIsGod]

There's a difference between being the best player on a good team by default, because everyone else has fallen off, and doing what Tony did this year. You're on an island here buddy, nobody who's not a moron could take issue with anything I said.

Honestly, thanks for making the best type of post showing how Spurs fans still under appreciate Tony Parker. Continue posting these type of gems please.

[SequSpur]

I fucking own the phrase Tony Parker is the Best Player in the NBA.

FO.

[mathbzh]

Part of the problem is that the Spurs fan baseline for greatness is the type of consistency that Tim Duncan has. Most Spurs fans don't have a clue as to how rare that is. Its that kind of myopia that makes them think Tony's not great.
Very true.
People also tend to forget CP3 disapearing acts in the PO (Remeber when he literally quit vs. the Nuggets? something Tony would never do) but still have a vivid memory of Parker's 2003 struggles.

But it's fine... in a couple of years with hopefuly 4 rings and 2 finals MVP, TP will be remember as a great PG.

[angelbelow]

I think hes the best PG post Jordan era.

1. His resume is unbeatable by any PG in the foreseeable future.
2. He regularly dominates the paint as a PG.
3. Above average defender while also being an elite scorer (actually rare at any position)
4. Invented the tear drop

[99 Problems]

TP just so clever. Such hi ball iq.

[jesterbobman]

I don't think best PG of his generation is accurate. He's always been on good teams, but a lot of the regression +/- said he didn't always have a huge impact and he hasn't always been this good, while Chris Paul has carried teams to great records. Parker has gotten further, but the team(and Coach) is inarguably better than what CP3 has had.

He'll probably go down as the most accomplished PG of his generation, and that fact he's peaking(Insert terrible shoe brand pun) at 31 rather than 27 as we thought he would is great. Becoming a killer mid range shooter is the difference, as it means there's not a great, sustainable defensive tactic to stop him.

The underrating is real, and probably relates to the fact he plays relatively fewer minutes and in a small market. If TP played 40mpg in NYC, he'd get far more credit.

[capek]

Honestly, thanks for making the best type of post showing how Spurs fans still under appreciate Tony Parker. Continue posting these type of gems please.

You'd alleviate a lot of your own confusion if you'd actually read the posts you reply to. :tu

[AchillesHeel]

He's the most accomplished PG since the Jordan era, tbh.

Finals MVP(could win his 2nd this year), 3x NBA champion(could win his 4th this year) and he's still only 31 years old.

He's been great since 07, had a down year in 2010 but has been improving a lot ever since. Now he's emerged as a top 5, could go as far as a top 3 player this season. CP3 is the better playmaker and a better defender and a shooter, but when it comes to the playoffs, name one PG you'd currently take over Parker? The CP3s,Derons and Roses of this league haven't won squat compared to Parker, yet Parker gets overlooked when people talk about the best point guards in this league. If we win the title and TP wins the FMVP, there should be no debate over who the best PG in the league really is.

[Cry Havoc]

I'd still lean toward Jason Kidd honestly, post Jordan, mostly because he had SO many years of statistical dominance with very good defense from the PG position. Kidd could dominate a game in so many facets.

That said, a Finals MVP this year for Parker and he would be at the very least 1a or 1b along with Kidd in my mind. I will say that RIGHT NOW, Tony Parker is playing some of the best ball from a point guard since Magic. His game is absolute and complete. He makes incredibly smart passes, he knows when to drive into a defense and when to circle back around for another set, and his shot is ever-improving. Oh, and he's a pretty damn good defender, too.

It will be interesting to see where Rose, Irving, and Curry are when they peak. All three of those guys are incredible players. But injuries will likely prevent them from doing all that Tony Parker will with his career. Parker's health given the amount of contact he takes night in night out with no officiating help at all is just astounding.

[Cry Havoc]

There's a difference between being the best player on a good team by default, because everyone else has fallen off, and doing what Tony did this year. You're on an island here buddy, nobody who's not a moron could take issue with anything I said.

This is absurd. Tony Parker for a long stretch of time 2 seasons ago had a top 3 FG% in the LEAGUE. Not for point guards. For anyone. That kind of scoring efficiency at ~20 points per game is absolutely unheard of from a point guard. In fact, only two other players who ever played the guard position reached 18+ PPG and managed to score at a rate of 54.8%+ from the floor: Magic Johnson and Walter Davis. Both of them were considered guard-forwards. Davis didn't play the point, so he can effectively be eliminated from this comparison. Source: http://bkref.com/tiny/LR4xz Even scaling this back to 54% nets only a handful of guards who achieved this feat.


That leaves two. Two players. Magic and Tony. And Magic could easily use his post-up game to score at will against smaller opponents, allowing him to even play the 5 at some points in his career.


No one from a pure point guard style of play has ever done what Tony has managed in his career. In fact, only two players in NBA history have ever managed 5 seasons of 17+ points per game while shooting over 50% from the field: Tony Parker is one of those two players. Source: http://bkref.com/tiny/nWxxE

But yeah. He was just lucky that everyone else was dimming, because he was really just a "good" PG who got put in the right system, right?

[capek]

This is absurd. Tony Parker for a long stretch of time 2 seasons ago had a top 3 FG% in the LEAGUE. Not for point guards. For anyone. That kind of scoring efficiency at ~20 points per game is absolutely unheard of from a point guard. In fact, only two other players who ever played the guard position reached 18+ PPG and managed to score at a rate of 54.8%+ from the floor: Magic Johnson and Walter Davis. Both of them were considered guard-forwards. Davis didn't play the point, so he can effectively be eliminated from this comparison. Source: http://bkref.com/tiny/LR4xz Even scaling this back to 54% nets only a handful of guards who achieved this feat.


That leaves two. Two players. Magic and Tony. And Magic could easily use his post-up game to score at will against smaller opponents, allowing him to even play the 5 at some points in his career.


No one from a pure point guard style of play has ever done what Tony has managed in his career. In fact, only two players in NBA history have ever managed 5 seasons of 17+ points per game while shooting over 50% from the field: Tony Parker is one of those two players. Source: http://bkref.com/tiny/nWxxE

But yeah. He was just lucky that everyone else was dimming, because he was really just a "good" PG who got put in the right system, right?

Jesus Christ, let me just sum up my response with a gif:

http://www.cheshirecatstudios.com/forum/resources/samuel-l-jackson-read-the-mother-fucking-thread-before-you-m/2351


I wouldn't disagree with any of that. He's been a great player for years, but this year he's been fucking elite. I've been mentioning this fact all year long, going back to December there was a stretch of games where it was the Tony Parker show in the 4th quarter of games, game after game after game, Spurs needed a basket, Tony got it. Spurs fans were always spoiled seeing Duncan do that with such consistency, they expected it from Parker as well, hence the hating directed Parker's way over the years. But this is the first year you can genuinely make that link, DRob>Duncan>Parker, and it's a fucking thing of beauty as a Spurs fan and the reason we're 1-0 in the finals. And seeing this back in December, it's the reason I thought we could actually be here in June. In TP I trust. :tu

If we employ the "average man" gambit here, I think it's totally reasonable to assert that a person of average intelligence would have no problem accepting that it's possible for a player to both be great for many years, and also elevate their game to another level in a current season.....................so did the parts of my post from a single page ago not make it clear that that's what I was saying? Or did you just not read that post? :lol

[Cry Havoc]

Jesus Christ, let me just sum up my response with a gif:

http://www.cheshirecatstudios.com/forum/resources/samuel-l-jackson-read-the-mother-fucking-thread-before-you-m/2351

Maybe YOU should read what you post. Here, I'll help you, since you clearly haven't read what you spouted off last page yourself.


There's a difference between being the best player on a good team by default, because everyone else has fallen off, and doing what Tony did this year. You're on an island here buddy, nobody who's not a moron could take issue with anything I said.



There's a difference between being the best player on a good team by default, because everyone else has fallen off, and doing what Tony did this year. You're on an island here buddy, nobody who's not a moron could take issue with anything I said.



There's a difference between being the best player on a good team by default, because everyone else has fallen off, and doing what Tony did this year. You're on an island here buddy, nobody who's not a moron could take issue with anything I said.



There's a difference between being the best player on a good team by default, because everyone else has fallen off, and doing what Tony did this year. You're on an island here buddy, nobody who's not a moron could take issue with anything I said.



There's a difference between being the best player on a good team by default, because everyone else has fallen off, and doing what Tony did this year. You're on an island here buddy, nobody who's not a moron could take issue with anything I said.


The notion that a PG suddenly averages 19 PPG on 54% shooting because players fall off around him is fucking HILARIOUS. Don't get pissy because someone is actually going to bring a basketball take into your thread of relative, subjective statements that are just ripe for goal-post moving later on. Everyone says dumb shit, hell I said Ibaka > Bosh earlier this year and I owned up to being wrong about that and changed the phrasing to be a little bit more realistic with what I was going for. Although Bosh's play as of late has me rethinking that. :lol Be a man, admit you said some stupid things in this thread, and move on.

[MannyIsGod]

To add a little perspective, this is the first year where Tony has been able to consistent get his team wins.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL this motherfucker trying to act like others are stupid because he can't reconcile what he's fucking saying with what he either meant to say or has changed his mind to.

[Cry Havoc]

Paul, Nash, Kidd... all easily better. Too many people are enamored with offense and don't realize defense... is pretty important.

Wat

[capek]

You guys are fucking priceless. So in your eyes Tony hasn't clearly stepped up his game this season? The Tony in that '11 series against Memphis is the same Tony who has destroyed all comers in these playoffs? The internet has clearly warped you little kiddie's memories. Talk about eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. :lmao

smfh

[mathbzh]

Too many people are enamored with offense and don't realize defense... is pretty important.

Is this why Nash is easily better?

[MannyIsGod]

You guys are fucking priceless. So in your eyes Tony hasn't clearly stepped up his game this season? The Tony in that '11 series against Memphis is the same Tony who has destroyed all comers in these playoffs? The internet has clearly warped you little kiddie's memories. Talk about eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. :lmao

smfh

You don't seem to understand that what you typed and what you're saying now are not the same thing. YOU said that Tony has never consistently delivered wins to this team prior to this year. Wrong. You said that Tony only became the best player on the team because others got worse. Wrong. Those things do not equal "Tony has gotten better" or "Tony had his best year ever".

I don't know if thats what you meant to say the first time or you simply changed your mind along the way but I do know you're one hell of a shitty communicator. Before trying to act smarter than other people maybe worry about actually saying what you want to say. Average mans gambit, ha. The average man knows that if he wants to order a fucking pizza for delivery he doesn't show up at the dentist you illiterate fuck.

[Cry Havoc]

Not surprisingly, the 2 players you're lauding as having great field goal percentages... didn't shoot 3's. Does anyone use regular old FG% when speaking about guards anymore? TS% is the only percentage relevant for a guard.

Most elite point guards don't shoot 3s, and even fewer shoot 3s well. Can you name more than a few elite point guard in the past 30 years who shot 3s at a high clip every season? Nash, Stockton, and Billups are the only ones that spring to mind, and Chauncey wasn't really known as a prolific 3 point shooter, making around ~2 per game for much of his career. Parker is clearly a level above Billups, and Stockton was pre-Jordan (well, he's not post-Jordan at least). That leaves Nash, who didn't play a lick of defense in his entire career.

This makes 3 point shooting even less relevant of a skill at the point guard position due to it's rarity in most top rung points. It doesn't really have a place in this discussion. If you want to single out eFG% as a measure of elite PGs, the ONLY player to have a better season than Tony with the season in question is Nash, who basically dominates that statistic (obviously).

[Cry Havoc]

No, he's better because he has been a vastly superior offensive player. He's an EXTREMELY better shooter, passer and creator. Parker is only better at finishing at the rim. Both are bad defenders.

Tony Parker has been well above-average defensively, especially for a PG, the past couple of seasons. There were times this season before he was injured that his defense was broaching into elite territory after he completely shut down Paul and Irving. But even if he's below average, he's NEVER been the turnstile that Nash is on D. Nash cost his team championships because of his inability to guard the very same Tony Parker that's in this discussion.

[capek]

You don't seem to understand that what you typed and what you're saying now are not the same thing. YOU said that Tony has never consistently delivered wins to this team prior to this year. Wrong. You said that Tony only became the best player on the team because others got worse. Wrong. Those things do not equal "Tony has gotten better" or "Tony had his best year ever".

I don't know if thats what you meant to say the first time or you simply changed your mind along the way but I do know you're one hell of a shitty communicator. Before trying to act smarter than other people maybe worry about actually saying what you want to say. Average mans gambit, ha. The average man knows that if he wants to order a fucking pizza for delivery he doesn't show up at the dentist you illiterate fuck.

It's called context. It's called subtlety. But anyways, you greatly overestimate the shits I give about helping random people on the internet improve their obviously shitty epistimic faculties, and even the pleasure of laughing at stupidity dims after a while, so peace out fucktard.

[Cry Havoc]

It's called context. It's called subtlety. But anyways, you greatly overestimate the shits I give about helping random people on the internet improve their obviously shitty epistimic faculties, and even the pleasure of laughing at stupidity dims after a while, so peace out fucktard.

:lmao

Posts multiple times in a thread. Argues a point ad-nauseam. Claims not to care what anyone thinks about his takes.

:lmao

[TE]

Spurfan on Spurfan crime after a pivotal Game one win...smh

[Cry Havoc]

Curry, Williams, Paul, Irving, Billups, Bibby off the top of my head. And yes, Nash didn't play a lick of defense...

Curry - is an all-time elite point guard now? Wow. That's pretty impressive.

Williams - LOL come on now. What has he ever done to show he's at the level of guys we're talking about? I'm a big Deron fan but he doesn't belong in this conversation.

Irving - The fact that you are using 2nd and 3rd year players to make a point in an argument spanning the 15 years since Jordan has retired means you're on pretty damn weak ground.

Billups - Um. I mentioned him? He still only made ~2 3s a game for most of his career.

Bibby - I'll give you that one. Bibby was an elite PG for a sustained period of time and shot the 3 relatively well.

By the way, Parker is shooting 35%+ from 3 this year, and is shooting 37.5% from deep in the playoffs. Food for thought.


and guess what? Neither did Parker.

You're just wrong. There's no other way to say this. Over the past two years Parker has become a very good defensive point guard, and even when he wasn't, he was nowhere NEAR as bad as Nash was on D. Even if we're as harsh as possible with Tony, he was probably a D or a D+ defensive player. Nash was an F or an F-, worse than someone like Gary Neal who can't stay in front of a fucking boulder sitting behind the 3 point line. There are echelons of difference in the horribleness of Nash's D, and yes, it absolutely DOES matter when you are such a liability that the team has to hide you on every possession, and you still get burned by ~8 PPG players with regularity.

[Cry Havoc]

ROFL. Dude was just getting torched in this year's playoffs. Are you kidding? Do you not remember when GS was just throwing the ball to whoever Parker was guarding? He most certainly didn't "lock down" Paul, if you're talking about last year, Paul was injured. And yes, Nash didn't have Tim Duncan behind him at the rim.

ROFL. DUDE. Did you magically forget that Parker was hurt against GSW? He probably still isn't 100%. I guess that doesn't matter though when you're attempting to discredit him and only matters when the OTHER guy is injured.

[Cry Havoc]

Spurfan on Spurfan crime after a pivotal Game one win...smh

It's amazing. You'd think Spurfan would enjoy the win, instead of spending their time posting about how marginally impressive our players are. Baffling.

[TampaDude]

Ignore the Fakerfan troll. Carlos needs to get back to fishing. :lol

[Cry Havoc]

Oh, right. He was pulling a Kobe and setting up those excuses for if he pulled his usual choke job in the playoffs.

Your posts are bad and you should feel bad.

[Cry Havoc]

Refute anything I say with facts. Fact: Conley played Parker to a draw(at a minimum) when he was not even a featured player in the Grizzlies offense, in one of the worst upsets in playoff history.

:lol Moving goalposts. :lol

[TampaDude]

Refute anything I say with facts. Fact: Conley played Parker to a draw(at a minimum) when he was not even a featured player in the Grizzlies offense, in one of the worst upsets in playoff history.

What year was that, again?

You know nothing about basketball. Get back to your fishing, Carlos. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

It's called context. It's called subtlety. But anyways, you greatly overestimate the shits I give about helping random people on the internet improve their obviously shitty epistimic faculties, and even the pleasure of laughing at stupidity dims after a while, so peace out fucktard.

Claiming subtlety when his statements are flat out wrong.

LOL! 2+2 = 5 but you wouldn't understand because of my context and subtlety.

Also, its epistEmic. Probably one of the more ironically delicious mistakes I've ever had the pleasure of reading on here.

[TampaDude]

So in other words, you agree, but I know nothing about basketball? ROFL

No, I don't agree. This is 2013, moron. Yes, you still know nothing about basketball...or calendars. You're such a worthless loser. Go back to suckling your crack whore mother's crusty nipple.

[lovetp9]

The Best PG in NBA now !!!!

最好的控卫，没有之一！！

[FkLA]

Tbh Parker had never done what he is doing this postseason. 99% of spurfans didnt believe he could actually. Even the biggest Parker homers like timvp (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) would say something along the lines of 'its not his fault hes only 6 ft, its hard to win with PGs, not his fault hes not LeBron or Durant, hes simply not good enough to lead us all the way and thats ok'.. FkLA (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17213), supposedly a Parker hater, was right all along tbh. I thought Parker was alot better than how he ended the OKC series last year. It was mental softness on his part more than him being physically inferior. The way Tony is performing so far is giving 05' Ginobili a run for his money tbh. Hoping he can give us three more games like these.

So proud of him right now. :cry

[FkLA]

Charlie Ive given Parker tons of shit before, and deservedly so imo. But French nigga is balling right now tbh. We must give credit where credit is due.